Plantagenet wrote:AND of course thats also assuming every country meets its voluntary targets. Judging from the way almost every nation failed to keep their targets under the voluntary Kyoto Accord---thats highly unlikely.
Revi wrote:2 Degrees C? Fugeddaboudit!
According to Kevin Anderson it would take an 80% drop in FF use effective immediately.
What do you think the chances are?
America's economic growth is hovering around 2 percent, public debt is $16 trillion and rising, and job creation and labor market participation remain low. Embracing a more flexible legal immigration system can dramatically improve this situation. This paper describes the link between economic growth and immigration, the need for policy change, the misguided history of America's political opposition to immigration, and a rational immigration policy.
Carl Weinberg, chief economist at High Frequency Economics, says no. He argues that Japan is in a depression, driven primarily by its quickly shrinking population. Government funds are tied up taking care of the the nation’s elderly, and there’s no room for serious stimulus to drag it out of this slump............
As Weinberg writes, “Japan needs more people and less debt.”
Some anti-immigration groups argue foreigners are a drain on a country’s economy, as they seek to avail themselves of government services before contributing to the state themselves. But Germany has a long history of outsiders representing a net positive for the country’s economy. The 6.6 million people living in Germany with foreign passports paid $4,127 more in taxes and social security on average than they took in social benefits in 2012–generating a surplus of 22 billion euros that year, according to one report. German officials are hopeful that, in the long run, this summer’s new flood of refugees could result in a similar economic gain.
which countries are saying to their citizens " Stop at 2 "
Iran
Iran has succeeded in sharply reducing its birth rate from the late 1980s to 2010. Mandatory contraceptive courses are required for both males and females before a marriage license can be obtained, and the government emphasized the benefits of smaller families and the use of contraception.
Uzbekistan
It is reported that Uzbekistan has been pursuing a policy of forced sterilizations, hysterectomies and IUD insertions since the late 1990s in order to impose population control
kiwichick wrote:and I can't think of many countries trying to stabilize their human population
even China has paused/stopped? it's one child policy
if every one had the consumption of the average European , the planets sustainable population would be approx. 2 billion
does that mean we are effectively saying that billions of people will have to remain in poverty?
dohboi wrote:" I can't think of many countries trying to stabilize their human population"
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Lots of countries are trying to do this. I don't know of any countries trying to increase their population, at least not as a stated goal, except maybe North Korea. But that used to be a standard goal for most countries.
Good point about consumption, though.
dohboi wrote: I don't know of any countries trying to increase their population...
Newfie wrote:Simply put.....economic growth and sustainability are diametrically opposed goals. You can not logically support both.
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