dohboi wrote:Ibon, on the other hand, in earlier times, when a crisis was recognized as threatening all, people tended to come together, cooperate, engage in more or less self sacrifice for the greater good...
These are also parts of the human response.
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Lore wrote:I've been thinking a lot about this lately as well. While we are all caught up in the present news cycle here in the US of cops vs civil liberties to minority communities, it made me wonder where such consideration will be given in the future. The minute things start to fray at the edges a lot of the old social divisive nature of mankind will come creeping back in.
Things can and will get ugly again as major threats arise and once more we see a breakdown of order and civility along racial and ethnic lines. How different the news will be in ten to twenty years.
KaiserJeep wrote:Lore wrote:I've been thinking a lot about this lately as well. While we are all caught up in the present news cycle here in the US of cops vs civil liberties to minority communities, it made me wonder where such consideration will be given in the future. The minute things start to fray at the edges a lot of the old social divisive nature of mankind will come creeping back in.
Things can and will get ugly again as major threats arise and once more we see a breakdown of order and civility along racial and ethnic lines. How different the news will be in ten to twenty years.
The FBI statistics take the steam out of your rant. For the last 30 years, the shooting of minority suspects by white cops is down 70%.
What is new is the MSM's agenda of "poor oppressed minorities", while ignoring the rampant crimes, including murder, hard drugs, gangs, and prostitution, in minority neighborhoods. Or perhaps, "ignoring" is not the same thing as blaming the racial groups who do not live in those areas for the behaviors of those people that do live there.
Lore wrote: -snip-
My "rant", as you call it wasn't about that. You missed the point completely.
dohboi wrote:Ibon, on the other hand, in earlier times, when a crisis was recognized as threatening all, people tended to come together, cooperate, engage in more or less self sacrifice for the greater good...
These are also parts of the human response.
Ibon wrote:That is related to the cultural "natural selection" that can emerge. If you look at Cid's post above about Sweden, if some of these more enlightened sub cultures are watching from a safe distance as more primitive die off solutions happen in other regions, how does this affect the convictions of the more enlightened?
How much would cultural self regulation become reinforced if the cultures that practice this look across a geographic barrier like an ocean and see the results of cultures that fail.
dohboi wrote:A minor quibble for now on terminology. I like Timo's 'meek' (biblical though it may be ) over Ibon's "enlightened" vs "primitive"--I realize that Ibon is using his terms in slightly different senses than is normal, but that kind of invites confusion, imvho.
It was the inheritors of "The Enlightenment" that area primarily responsible for our current multiple predicaments, while cultures that are generally considered 'primitive' had essentially no part in creating this mess. Again, I know Ibon is using these in somewhat nuanced ways, but most people reading this out of context will just likely assume the more traditional meanings.
Timo wrote:Anyway, doom and gloom is a matter of degrees, and of the current age of the doomer. All is not lost. The world will not come to an end, but the world will end for billions of people. What will be left will be unrecognizable to humans today. AGW + billions fewer people in a relatively short timeframe will, I hope, cause what Ibon is also hopeful for, that being an entirely new MO for humanity, based on living with the planet, instead of against it. Only time will tell.
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