[Plantagenet]

As Peak Oil really starts to bite, and as societies become more dependent on farm animals and local dairies and local food, and as city people start to interact more with farm animals, its probably a good idea to have these kinds of laws already in place to protect the farm animals from sexual abuse and other kinds of mistreatment.

[bl00k]

Yeah it's probably for the best. As long as it is perfectly legal to kill animals for food i'm fine with anything.

[Plantagenet]

Food yes....sex no.

[EarthGamePlayer]

Although I have no personal physical attraction to animals, the argument against it seems incredibly weak.

Sure, sex with animals doesn't involve their consent, because we can't ask them if it is OK.

Yet we don't ask them it is OK if we:

Keep them caged or fenced in
Squeeze their mammary glands every single day
Take away their eggs
Force them to make with other animals
Take away their children
Kill them
Eat them

I'm not necessarily saying sex with animals is a good thing, but the arguments that are used against it are ridiculous. We don't treat animals as humans (again this is a statement of fact, not an ethical stand), and so we can't pretend in this one case that we do.

[SILENTTODD]

I'm glad some where in the world they are aware of the inherent dangers of cross species sexual entanglements! See the results below!

Results of Cross Species Sex

[Concerned]

As Peak Oil really starts to bite, and as societies become more dependent on farm animals and local dairies and local food, and as city people start to interact more with farm animals, its probably a good idea to have these kinds of laws already in place to protect the farm animals from sexual abuse and other kinds of mistreatment.

Having sex with animals is not my cup of tea.

However when the law was in place did they take penis size into account?

For example a man having sex with a cow or horse (female) I would kind of go *shrug* weird but not hurting anyone, A chicken or rabbit for example would be equivalent of torture by impaling...

Overall a good law to pass just so the masses don't get any stupid ideas.

[Bas]

you come up with some strange topics, plant.

strangely enough only about half the world's countries have laws against sex with animals and I wouldn't know which ones those are. Furthermore I wouldn't actually know what the value is of such a law next to the existing laws against the abuse of animals and while still allowing ritual slaughter of animals and/or other what could be considered cruel practices in farming. These issues are currently also under discussion.

Seems to me that the tiny animal rights party we have in parliament with a few seats since the last election have most definately managed to get their concerns on the political agenda.

Funny fact: Pim Fortuyn was murdered by a slightly crazy animal rights activist over his refusal to ban the "cruel" breeding of some animals for their fur...

[Dan1195]

Previously it was OK to have sex with animals in Holland if the animal liked it.

wonder how they determined if it "liked" it...

[Plantagenet]

For example a man having sex with a cow or horse (female) I would kind of go *shrug* weird but not hurting anyone

That was the Dutch position before they passed this new law.

Cows, goats, chickens, cats, dogs or just about anything was considered legal and sexy.

[Bas]

...... chickens.....anything was considered legal and sexy.

@ our resident expert on Holland

[Plantagenet]

Harm Evert Waalkens, the member of parliament who proposed the law, told the Associated Press. "The Netherlands has been a magnet for perversities -- and we want to stop that," Waalkens said, adding that pornographers had lobbied fiercely against a ban.

From "Der Spiegel" (Deutschland)

[Bas]

Waalkens is actually a member of parliament for the laborparty. Anyway, it's true that internationally Holland does have a name to uphold as being free, openminded and liberal also about sex, but indeed I don't see how sex with animals would help with that...

And this image of Holland as being so free and openminded about sex is actually quite far from the nature of the people that for a large part has been strongly influenced by different brands of protestantism, which makes it kind of surprising to see that during the twentieth century the sexual debate has developed in such a straightforward way as in most other Christian societies hypocrisy is still the rule.

[Alcassin]

And this image of Holland as being so free and openminded about sex is actually quite far from the nature of the people that for a large part has been strongly influenced by different brands of protestantism, which makes it kind of surprising to see that during the twentieth century the sexual debate has developed in such a straightforward way as in most other Christian societies hypocrisy is still the rule.

Yup, even the far right like Fortuyn had to change (he was gay afaik).

[Plantagenet]

But even the liberal Dutch have their limits.

Sex with animals in the Netherlands is now a crime.

[Plantagenet]

Just say no to sex with animals, birds and insects.

[mkwin]

This has to be the strangest topic I have ever seen on peakoil.com.

[Alcassin]

Just say no to sex with animals, birds and insects.

I think the size of your boredom is infinite PA.

[gampy]

Although I have no personal physical attraction to animals, the argument against it seems incredibly weak.

Sure, sex with animals doesn't involve their consent, because we can't ask them if it is OK.

Yet we don't ask them it is OK if we:

Keep them caged or fenced in
Squeeze their mammary glands every single day
Take away their eggs
Force them to make with other animals
Take away their children
Kill them
Eat them

I'm not necessarily saying sex with animals is a good thing, but the arguments that are used against it are ridiculous. We don't treat animals as humans (again this is a statement of fact, not an ethical stand), and so we can't pretend in this one case that we do.

Yeah, it seems a little askew. People can beat their dogs, and neglect them, but they can't let them fuck them.

I am wondering how long the Dutch can maintain their "anything goes" society. There must be great pressure from surrounding countries to conform to more conservative values.

[bl00k]

I am wondering how long the Dutch can maintain their "anything goes" society. There must be great pressure from surrounding countries to conform to more conservative values.

Yes there is, but also pressure from inside our own country. With two Christian parties currently in our government, this is no surprise. A while back a large whore-house was closed in Amsterdam. So called 'smart-shops' where supplies for growing your own weed are sold, are being outlawed. But i guess we all have to get used to things being outlawed/forbidden.

[overlever]

Hey baby, how you doin'?