SeaGypsy wrote:You just can't stop speaking for other people can you 6?
Where am I wrong, you don't want the US helping the rebels, right?
That's abrogating American leadership in the region. Obama did that as long as he could, he ignored it, but he did set that red line about the nerve gas and sure enough that was crossed so finally he did something. But the world doesn't respect it -- they looked at this shutdown we've had, along with our indecisiveness on Syria, sending ships out then sitting there then not knowing what to do until Putin came up with something, and we looked weak to governments like China and to our allies who are starting to wonder if they should "de-americanize" and follow China's leadership.
We're already losing Australia to China.
We may as well hang on to Japan and South Korea and all the others out there. Japanese have been good allies for a very long time now, and South Korea too, we can't just abandon allies like this -- they don't want Chinese leadership, they want American.
These rebels are f'ing horrible. They make Assad look like an Angel. The Evilest Caliphate in the ME currently is your KSA friends.
SG, don't be so hard on me. I'm just giving you the American foreign policy situation since the Cold War and before that.
1. The West needs that middle eastern oil, ergo, we cannot give the region up and we are responsible for keeping order
2. In the Cold War we had to hang on to it or else the Soviets would move in
3. Post cold war, Russia has some interest in the region, still
4. Even though the cold war is over, that middle eastern oil is still a critical strategic asset. It would be a serious strategic decision to let it go. And besides that, America actually has very very long ties with Saudi Arabia at this point. This goes way back to when oil was first discovered there, Americans have been there the whole time, and they have a lot of Americans over there right now in business and they've got TGIF restaurants and all that stuff.
5. We have an interest in protecting Israel, and we've kept the peace over there, it's really a miracle what a damn good job the US has done juggling all this for so long
Saudi Arabia is complicated, there's an element over there that's caused us trouble, but overall they've been firmly in the American camp for a very long time. The Saudi government HAS done a lot to fight AQ. This just isn't up for debate, United States can't give up Saudi Arabia anymore than it can Israel.
Bottom line.. US provides leadership in the middle east.. these nations look to us.. we want that oil if push ever comes to shove, it's a national security asset. We can't let the Russians or Chinese lead over there and gain control if we pulled back. We can't let a caliphate rise either. So what all that means is that if there's a civil war on Israel and Turkey's border and it's a problem for Saudi Arabia too, we can't just ignore it.
We're not funding jihadist rebels directly, we're funding the secular rebels. But yes I agree it's messy, but at the end of the day the US has a leadership responsibility to our allies -- Israel, Turkey, Saudi, and we've got to maintain order in the region when things get out of hand. This is just common sense SG, if the Syria civil war gets too bad, we can't let it spill over into Turkey and Saudi or cause Israel problems.
If people want Atlas to shrug and go home then that's a separate debate, and our deep strategic thinkers would have to ponder what a Chinese and Russian led world would mean for the United States, or a multi-state caliphate rising over in the middle east and Israel really in trouble all because we just gave up.