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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 16:40:58

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Think about it, what is it with Wisconsin -- Joe McCarthy, Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, all from there. Give me a Southerner isntead, please, or a New York Republican or westerner or Californian.


Wisconsin was a very strong Union State at one time. Lot's of hard working blue collar types, what happened, I don't know?


Milwaukee has had a long string of actual Socialist Mayors for a good part of the 20th Century. What happened? My guess is that manufacturing in Wisconsin has gone the way of the dodo.

Actually, i take that back. McCarthy, Ryan, Walker.... they all seem to be the resurection of the dodos.


What's with you people?

Union/ socialism are NOT one and the same.

socialism
noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

Full Definition of SOCIALISM

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

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union
noun \ˈyün-yən\

: an organization of workers formed to protect the rights and interests of its members

: an act of joining two or more things together

: a group of states or nations that are ruled by one government or that agree to work together
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 17:22:26

My goodness they even look just alike:

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Satirical cartoon from the 1950s, you could change McCarthy to Cruz:

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Same situation, Cruz is dragging the GOP along with his insanity and it's a shaky foundation that will lose them the House next election and the presidency.
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 18:06:51

Wow 6! Good find, looks like a bloody clone! Lizard people anyone?
Wellaware1.net would have a field day...

Obama does have a problem with getting in bed with radical Islamists- has given them and the far right plenty of ammo.
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby vision-master » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 18:40:07

SeaGypsy wrote:Wow 6! Good find, looks like a bloody clone! Lizard people anyone?
Wellaware1.net would have a field day...

Obama does have a problem with getting in bed with radical Islamists- has given them and the far right plenty of ammo.



lol - SG follows David Icke.............
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 20:03:41

Actually that is the nuttiest site I've ever found- riddled with Mack truck sized holes, but good for entertainment at times!
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 20:15:07

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Obama "Leave town," 'Put the Quran down' orders Rallier, Sarah Palin,Ted Cruz in attendance

Washington (CNN) - Angered by the closure of national landmarks due to the partial government shutdown, a crowd of conservatives removed barricades Sunday at the World War II Memorial and the Lincoln Memorial as they rallied against President Barack Obama and Democrats for their role in the ongoing stalemate.

High-profile speakers with close ties to the tea party appeared at the event, including former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas.

The rally, billed as the "Million Vet March on the Memorials," drew far fewer than a million people and evolved into a protest that resembled familiar tea party events from 2009, with yellow "Don't Tread On Me" flags throughout the crowd and strong anti-Obama language from the podium and the audience.

One speaker went as far as saying the president was a Muslim and separately urged the crowd of hundreds to initiate a peaceful uprising.

"I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come out with his hands up," said Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch, a conservative political advocacy group.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSmjEJOoYBg


That is just OUTRAGEOUS:

"demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come out with his hands up"

Jesus H. Christ, you Republicans are crazy. And you're fomenting some hard core hate and violent talk.

CNN is reporting on this, Ted Cruz spoke just before that Freedom Watch guy, standing right next to him. I can't find a video of what Cruz said, it was some nonsense and he hands the mic over to this nut, standing right by him.

Outrageous.

Sorry for the long quote, but while I applaud people who are willing to protest against perceived injustice, I can't help noticing that these people were completely absent when Bush was wiping his butt with the Constitution. Where were they then? I bet they were pulling Chris Hedges off the podium and doing other things to silence dissent. Now that President Avenging Disco Godfather is in the oval office, they are suddenly concerned about their rights.
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 20:35:45

SeaGypsy wrote:Obama does have a problem with getting in bed with radical Islamists- has given them and the far right plenty of ammo.


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Et tu, Brutus?

"obama is a radical muslim?"

Are you serious?

I won't even argue this with you, i don't want to push you further into such wingnuttery just because you want to disagree with me.
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 20:51:46

So you deny Obama is funding Islamists in the Middle East and your only defense is 'double facepalm' and asserting I said something I did not?
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 20:52:21

Sixstrings wrote:
SeaGypsy wrote:Obama does have a problem with getting in bed with radical Islamists- has given them and the far right plenty of ammo.


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Et tu, Brutus?

"obama is a radical muslim?"

Are you serious?

I won't even argue this with you, i don't want to push you further into such wingnuttery just because you want to disagree with me.

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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 21:18:43

Oh NO! Now the press are blaming the government shutdown because squirrels are eating vegetables from Michelle Obama's garden outside the White House!!!!!

It turns out all the gardening is actually done by full-time goverment employees---who have been furloughed, leaving the White House garden undefended from attack by hungry DC squirrels

squirrels going nuts for first lady's garden during shutdown!!!

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Oh no! Squirrels are eating the vegetables in WHite House garden because all the federal gardeners have been furloughed during the goverment shutdown!!
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Lore » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 21:22:38

Look closely, that squirrel is actually Ted Cruz.
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 21:26:11

Lore wrote:Look closely, that squirrel is actually Ted Cruz.
The ears are almost a perfect match- probably had them pinned!
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 21:30:50

Lore wrote:Look closely, that squirrel is actually Ted Cruz.


I want to see this squirrel's birth certificate.
What are his values?
Who is he?
Where does he come from?

Canada!

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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 21:42:23

I bet if the White House tours hadn't been stopped a year ago, the tour groups would be scaring away the squirrels.

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Tour group visits Michelle's garden back in 2012 when tours were still allowed
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Sixstrings » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 22:19:14

SeaGypsy wrote:So you deny Obama is funding Islamists in the Middle East and your only defense is 'double facepalm' and asserting I said something I did not?


Well you just sound like some "obama is in bed with the radical islamists" tea partier, the way you talk.

The president doesn't fund anything. Congress does. So blame Syria on Republicans like John McCain and Lindsay Graham.

Obama dragged his feet on Syria and hasn't wanted to do anything at all or get involved. Lastly, Obama has a very tough record fighting islamic terrorists. He vastly expanded Bush's drone program, and has done so much more than Bush did.

Because of innocent collateral damage from drones, that much of the world has been against, the Obama admin is now trying to use the navy SEALS and army delta force more, feet on the ground rather than a blind missile to a wedding party.

It's a delicate balance there, we don't want another blackhawk down like with Clinton. None of these are easy decisions and Obama has done pretty damn well. These last couple ops with the seals went well. We got that one guy, missed the other one but we got out without casualties.

So what were you saying again? Something about Obama funds islamists but does nothing to fight the terrorists?

(by the way, while government is shut down 70% of our whole intel community has been home on furlough, we can't fight terrorists with the gov shut down, or fish for crab in alaska, and a million other things that depend on gov employees going to work every day)
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 14 Oct 2013, 23:38:20

Sixstrings wrote:The president doesn't fund anything. Congress does. So blame Syria on Republicans like John McCain and Lindsay Graham.


Why? Neither McCain nor Graham have anything to do with setting Obama administration policy.

Heres how the funding for Syria actually works---Congress appropriates money to the CIA. The President is then free to set US foreign policy and direct the CIA to spend the money in accordance with his priorities.

Sea Gypsy is referring to the fact that Obama ordered the CIA to begin supporting the rebels in Syria several years ago and more recently decided to increase the amount of US funding in order to start arming the rebels in Syria. This is a tricky thing to do, since many of the rebels are self-proclaimed supporters of al Qaida and/or have been implicated in war crimes and there are very real concerns that some of the US military aid Obama is now sending to the Syrian rebels will wind up in the hands of the more unsavory Syrian rebel groups.

Syrian rebels implicated in war crimes
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 15 Oct 2013, 10:04:18

Senators say debt, shutdown deal is near

The draft proposal still under negotiation would approve a stopgap funding bill to reopen government through Jan. 15; suspend the debt ceiling until Feb. 7; and create the framework for formal budget negotiations to conclude by Dec. 15 with long-term recommendations for funding levels and deficit reduction.

The proposal does not include any significant reforms to the Affordable Care Act, which is what House Republicans were originally seeking in the budget stand-off. House Republicans initially refused to approve a stopgap spending bill unless it delayed or defunded President Obama's signature health care law.

Democrats have said they are willing to discuss ways to reform the law — including the repeal of a 2.3% tax on medical devices enacted to help pay for Obamacare — in the budget negotiations but not in the short-term spending/debt deal.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013 ... i/2980695/

That's all I know.......
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby Sixstrings » Tue 15 Oct 2013, 10:38:05

Plantagenet wrote:Why? Neither McCain nor Graham have anything to do with setting Obama administration policy.


Senators McCain & Graham: “Just supplying weapons to Syrian rebels isn’t enough!”
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/senators-mccain-graham-just-supplying-weapons-to-syrian-rebels-isnt-enough/#axzz2hnhceCiq

John McCain: Syrian Rebels Need Our Help
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/17/john-mccain-syrian-rebels_n_1603576.html

Heres how the funding for Syria actually works---Congress appropriates money to the CIA. The President is then free to set US foreign policy and direct the CIA to spend the money in accordance with his priorities.


Uh, no, there is congressional oversight, by several committees.

I don't want to get out in the weeds on this but I'm tellin ya, the congressional national security republicans not only approved the rebel funding as I just linked above, they wanted Obama to go farther.

Republican John McCain has been hounding Obama for years now, pressuring him to give more aid to Syrian rebels. These are just facts, Plant, I'm sorry. You're pulling a shutdown switcheroo thing here, like Repubs shut down gov then it's Obama fault, same thing with Syria he very slowly agrees to Republican pressure to aid the rebels and now you blame him for it.

This is from 2012, Republicans pressuring Obama to do more to aid the rebels:

WASHINGTON — Sen. John McCain on Sunday characterized the lack of U.S. aid to Syrian rebels as "shameful" and said helping their cause would deal "the greatest blow to Iran in the Middle East in 25 years."

McCain's remarks sought to maintain political pressure on President Barack Obama as violence in the region escalated, forcing a 300-strong U.N. observer mission to call off its patrols.


I actually agree with John McCain and Lindsay Graham. Obama needed to be doing more sooner. It's all a complicated mess over there but we're stil responsible when all our allies are looking to us saying wtf you've got to do something shit's hitting the fan over here on our border, then we've got to lead and do something.

Either the US is in charge over there in the middle east or we're not. We've got a bunch of allies depending on us we can't just sit back and ignore it. All you totally anti-war types, you could never be satisfied unless the US abandoned Israel and Saudi Arabia and qatar and Turkey and every ally we have over there.

Just pull out, Atlas shrugs, let the Russians have it. And then some other foreign power has all that oil if push comes to shove one day, or even worse a caliphate DOES rise and take over the region all because we listened to you and SeaGypsy and we abandoned it.

Let's not get into this, there's already a mideast thread. But DON'T put this on Obama, he hasn't done enough on Syria and that has been the Republican criticism (the old school Republicans anyway, who the hell knows what Rand Paul really thinks and Ted Cruz reads Dr. Seuss books on the senate floor).

And another thing..

You know what world governments respect? You want to know what really backs up the US dollar, and why our bonds are the global go-to? It's American power, world's only superpower, power to keep stability in the world and the decisiveness to do it. Some Iraq rolls into some Kuwait and we're there to do something about that, when nobody else would.

It's US power, and *political stability* that give that "full faith" to our bonds and dollar.

Plant, if you want the US to just pull back then wtf would we do with this massive military. We'd have to cut it by 3/4, there's no use for a global superpower military if you don't want to be global superpower anymore. You think Republicans would go for that, cutting all that military industrial complex? Even Rand Paul loves his army bases:

Paul brushed off that suggestion during his interview with Blitzer, pointing to military bases on Kentucky soil as the primary recipient of federal funds.

"What does he want to do, shut down military bases in Kentucky?" Paul asked.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/30/rand-paul-chris-christie-bacon_n_3679476.html


Oh, heaven forbid Rand, closing Kentucky's military bases would be libertarianism. :lol:
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 15 Oct 2013, 10:53:24

You just can't stop speaking for other people can you 6?
Show me where I said what you just falsely (again) asserted I said?
These rebels are f'ing horrible. They make Assad look like an Angel. The Evilest Caliphate in the ME currently is your KSA friends. The Arab Spring is a fake and it's doomed to fail. If you and the republicrats can go in there and disarm the whole crapload- I suggest you just go for it. You can't, you won't, so you are playing sides in a no win situation which is going to drag on longer than you and I will be breathing air.
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Re: US government shuts down

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 15 Oct 2013, 11:00:20

What does any of this have to do with the US government shutdown?
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