careinke wrote:Lore wrote:Looks like Scotland, which overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU, is now looking towards another referendum on its independence from the UK.
Brexit: Nicola Sturgeon says second Scottish referendum 'highly likely'
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... -in-europe
I say go for it, the smaller governments we have, the better, during the upcoming great disruption.
GASMON wrote:Oneaboveall wrote:Let's be perfectly blunt here: the Brexit will never be implemented and the results of this referendum will be, for all practical intents and purposes, ignored.
In your dreams sunshine. Open your eyes.
We Brits are OUT.
By the way the FTSE ended up tonight more or less where it was last week. Shell B shares ended the day at £18.835 - highest since well before Febrary (Peaked at £19.10 this afternoon). Yes some shares have taken a hit (Banking, Airlines) but the mood of most in the UK is now jubilant.
Hard work ahead. We need a new leader - Boris perhaps ?.
Gas
Lore wrote:
Actually, I see this as the beginning of scenarios resembling that of Europe just prior to WWI & WWII.
Cid_Yama wrote:...Through Article 50, the EU will attempt to dictate terms of Britain's exit, so there could be some fireworks.
Cid_Yama wrote:Britain's vote to leave the EU is a crushing defeat to globalism. Our Banking masters finally lost one. And there will be more to follow. Several EU states have just been waiting for the first one to leave, before they all break for the door.
Interest rates will be driven down to near zero as it's every country for themselves.
This October should be quite interesting.
Ibon wrote:If we see other nations abandoning the EU and taking back their independence what are your thoughts on how this would effect climate change negotiations going forward?
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Ibon wrote:If we see other nations abandoning the EU and taking back their independence and if we see this nationalism trend expand to other countries of the world what are all your thoughts on how this would effect climate change negotiations going forward?
KaiserJeep wrote:After WW2, the abject and overwhelming lesson in the evils of Nationalism, there was a 50-year period during which globalization and free trade optimistically replaced the traditional European divisiveness and hostility. Nominally the beginning of the EU is the "Treaty of Rome" which creates the European Economic Community (EEC), or ‘Common Market’ in 1957. The paranoid incentive was the Cold War, with the NATO nations in an uneasy alliance to hold back the remnant Fascists (Salazar in Portugal and Franco in Spain), which was artfully warped into the opposition to the Marxists by an arch-conservative American named JFK. The USSR was the swan song of Marxism, although it achieved some astonishing things, including conquering NEO (Near Earth Orbit). But the world changed in several ways unanticipated by Marx and Engels, rendering their theories obsolete and their "insights" ludicrous. The USSR comes apart in 1992, and with it the actual need for NATO - but the USA is loathe to abandon the facade that NATO gives to US interests in Europe.
Following the breakup of the USSR, with Chernobyl an abject reminder of Soviet incompetence, Hungary had troubles and Yugoslavia split apart in the horrific Bosnia-Serbia conflict. The fall of the Berlin wall and the reunification of Germany was the decisive end to the USSR and the bogus theories of a 19th century writer who refused to acknowledge the nature of the primate called man.
The EU gains new members in 1981, 1995, and 2004. Meanwhile the "Arab Spring" happens, and the Middle East explodes in violence and resurgent anti-Semitism, unseen since the Nazi's. Incredibly, the Left in both the USA and Europa favors the new Fascists and opposes Israel. Then in 2001 with the 9/11 attacks in the USA, the "War on Terror" is declared. Then a deliberately engineered financial crisis strikes in 2008, and the EU begins to be inundated with the refugees from Middle Eastern warfare and economic malaise from the financial conniption which does indeed render OPEC all but powerless. This was the real reason for the crisis, and the USA paid the tab to keep both North America and Europe functioning.
Now the EU is painfully coming apart, and European Nationalism is on the increase, thanks to the backlash of all the Middle Eastern refugees. But the UK has already absorbed a fatal number of Muslims, as has the USA and in fact all major countries outside of China and the Far East. Not to mention, even the "good" (meaning peaceful) Muslims really do believe that the words of the Prophet in the Quran are absolute truth, and that the Sharia code will replace all others. Each year with the recitation of the entire Quran at Ramadan, they are reminded of this.
World War 3 is stirring. Soon the hopeful sentiments of a rising environmental consciousness will die in nuclear fire. I hold out the slimmest of hopes that a viable society in space may exist before the Earth dies in yet another worldwide conflict. Most of you believe me foolish, you insist that only on the planet can we persist.
That same world which will soon sprout mushrooms.
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