SeaGypsy wrote:I have no problem with mixing religion & science so long as the difference is acknowledged. Many scientists leave room in their hard rationality for a spiritual factor, even cause, to life. I do have a problem with utterly stupid ideas like espoused by the likes of KJ, Hawking, that us shaved monkeys should, could or would be in any way bettered by living eternally in a tin can artificial gravity in space.
Besides stupid, it is horrid that anyone claiming any kind of care for the planet which has nurtured us to our existence is so worthless as to be seen as no more than a launching pad for this eternal fantasy man. This idea very strongly correlates to apocalyptic religion.
Sixstrings wrote:The sun will eventually go red giant and swallow the planet
Strummer wrote:Humans have managed to push the biosphere on the brink of destruction in less than 200 years of industrial civilization and you are talking about the sun going red giant being a threat? This is EXACTLY why all this dreaming about space colonization is like religion.
SeaGypsy wrote:You are really pissing me off now 6. We must learn to live on this planet you idiot. Until we have done that we have no right to spread our filthy virus like selves anywhere.
SeaGypsy wrote:You are really pissing me off now 6. We must learn to live on this planet you idiot. Until we have done that we have no right to spread our filthy virus like selves anywhere.
Sixstrings wrote:SG, the solar system and rest of the universe is "part of nature."
Strummer wrote:No they aren't. "Nature" is specific to this planet, separated by empty space from other planets, and shielded from radiation by the atmosphere and the magnetic field. It could be that there are biospheres on other planets, but they are totally separated and most likely completely different from our nature.
8.8 billion habitable Earth-size planets exist in Milky Way alone
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/8-8-billion-habitable-earth-size-planets-exist-milky-way-f8C11529186
Strummer wrote:The proto-origins of life does not equal "nature".
SeaGypsy wrote:Really not a nice person.
THE SAGAN SERIES - The Frontier Is Everywhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY59wZdCDo0&list=UUnazaabF3nhnIEax6tYG-PA
Sixstrings wrote:Strummer wrote:The proto-origins of life does not equal "nature".
Says who?
Newfie wrote:Caveat...this works up to the point where we are so successful at multiplying that we ruin the planet and as a result drive our population numbers down. Some would argue that our planetary degradation is lowering the overall number of people it can support. Others will argue that we are facing our own extinction.
Genesis 9:7
New International Version
As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it."
As to the meaning or purpose of life I think a reasonable argument could be made along these lines. In the same manner that gravity, a pretty weak force, is relentless in getting its way, Entropy is a kind of relentless force. In the same sense that water "wants" to run down hill nature "wants" to eliminate stores of energy.
Plant matter has stored much energy that can only slowly be reduced by natural processes. It makes some sense that Nature would create, cause to evolve, a creature that "eats" or reduces these stores of energy. By doing so it is working with Entropy, or is an agent of Entropy, to reduce energy stores.
What humans "do" is two things.....we multiply like crazed bunnies, and we "eat" energy stores that are otherwise unavailable to be reduced by other processes.
What we "do" is cause Earth, and thus the Universe, to rot faster.
Synapsid wrote:Six,
What's your evidence that an impact wiped out previous forms and allowed dinosaurs to become dominant?
Permian–Triassic extinction event
The Permian–Triassic (P–Tr) extinction event, colloquially known as the Great Dying,[2][3] occurred about 252 Ma (million years) ago,[4] forming the boundary between the Permian and Triassic geologic periods, as well as the Paleozoic and Mesozoic eras. It is the Earth's most severe known extinction event, with up to 96% of all marine species[5][6] and 70% of terrestrial vertebrate species becoming extinct.[7] It is the only known mass extinction of insects.[8][9] Some 57% of all families and 83% of all genera became extinct. Because so much biodiversity was lost, the recovery of life on Earth took significantly longer than after any other extinction event,[5] possibly up to 10 million years.[10]
Researchers have variously suggested that there were from one to three distinct pulses, or phases, of extinction.[7][11][12][13] There are several proposed mechanisms for the extinctions; the earlier phase was probably due to gradual environmental change, while the latter phase has been argued to be due to a catastrophic event. Suggested mechanisms for the latter include one or more large bolide impact events, massive volcanism, coal or gas fires and explosions from the Siberian Traps,[14] and a runaway greenhouse effect triggered by sudden release of methane from the sea floor due to methane clathrate dissociation or methane-producing microbes known as methanogens;[15] possible contributing gradual changes include sea-level change, increasing anoxia, increasing aridity, and a shift in ocean circulation driven by climate change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extinction_event
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