there were far more mice than meaningful social roles
Hawkcreek wrote:This must be one of those nights where people just felt like arguing.
pstarr wrote:Cid_Yama wrote:Just a severe case of failing to comprehend I guess. Has nothing to do with anything you posted in either post.
What specifically have I failed to comprehend? I responded to your assertion. I will now be more specific in my response. It will be the same, just reworded.But what happens when a biological organism becomes advanced technologically. They try to eliminate hunger. They try to eliminate disease. They try to eliminate all the ills that plague their species and cause death.
--All species try to eliminate hunger, not just technologically advanced species.
--All species try to eliminate disease by staying warm, fed, and safe. We do the same. (incidentally it is not our medical technologies that have allowed humans to procreate and overrun the planet. Rather it is our Public Health Measures. We have learned how to shit safely, not into our drinking water. That is not technology, just common sense)This is not a technology trap. It is a function of overpopulation. It is an ecological trap.Cid wrote:This is the ultimate technology trap. It allows the species to vastly exceed it's carrying capacity so that when the inevitable terminal point is reached, it becomes an Extinction Level Event rather than just a die-back.
I am sorry that ecology is not taught in schools. Perhaps that is because it is the one science that does not teach us that science is a linear projection of progress? Ecology teaches limits. Ecology teaches us that populations of animals overshoot and die. Foxes reproduce too much, overtake the ecosystem, weaken and get rabies. Then foxes from other regions move back it. Cycles of nature. Happens to all species. But not in all populations. Not everywhere. That is why I am not a doomer.
Some modern populations will die, will be wiped off the face of the earth perhaps North Africa, the Middle East, perhaps Central Europe, Japan, Souteast Asia. Places that are overpopulated and under supplied with resources. I will be fine.
ralfy wrote:We have to realize that in a world that has been heavily dependent on industrial civilization, and with large, armed groups, weapons of mass destruction, and most who are not used to existence outside that civilization, then no one is generally safe.
ennui2 wrote:ralfy wrote:We have to realize that in a world that has been heavily dependent on industrial civilization, and with large, armed groups, weapons of mass destruction, and most who are not used to existence outside that civilization, then no one is generally safe.
PStarr is, because...........redwood curtain?
Whatever.
Yes, one can point out that it was (largely) ignorant hordes that then went out and used the ff-burning, hyperconsumerist mechanisms and systems that these highly educated folks set up. But the elites were the architects, and they carefully planned everything using reason and knowledge to be sure that most of the masses ended up participating in the now global juggernaut that will (is already in the process of) crushing them and especially their children.
dohboi wrote:
It is notable (and sad) that the destruction of the earth was planned, enabled and carried out largely by powerful men (and a few women) who were very well educated at the best colleges and universities.
"This is not a technology trap. It is a function of overpopulation. It is an ecological trap.".
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