[PrestonSturges]

There's one small historic town in Delaware that uses the Georgist tax system, which has always been a Libertarian favorite.

[Lore]

As the article states, that is the usual Libertarian comeback to the question. To cherry pick out an instance of libertarian action somewhere, but no where does any country stand the test of living up to the doctrine.

I'm sure the Koch brothers would be happy to get one out of ten to help further their income.

[Keith_McClary]

The first thing that most libertarians agree with is that there needs to be just enough government to support:

* national defense(federal)
* contract enforcement
* protection of private property

* contract enforcement (includes serfdom/slavery)
* protection of private property (feudal landholdings)
* national defense (preventing foreign aristocrats from horning in on our lucrative racket)

[Serial_Worrier]

The first thing that most libertarians agree with is that there needs to be just enough government to support:

* national defense(federal)
* contract enforcement
* protection of private property

* contract enforcement (includes serfdom/slavery)
* protection of private property (feudal landholdings)
* national defense (preventing foreign aristocrats from horning in on our lucrative racket)

So what do you propose, Communism? It's already been tried and failed.

[americandream]

The first thing that most libertarians agree with is that there needs to be just enough government to support:

* national defense(federal)
* contract enforcement
* protection of private property

* contract enforcement (includes serfdom/slavery)
* protection of private property (feudal landholdings)
* national defense (preventing foreign aristocrats from horning in on our lucrative racket)

So what do you propose, Communism? It's already been tried and failed.

Whatever follows capitalism will arise organically and will not be utopian even if socialised.

[dinopello]

Koch's now worth 100 Billion are upping their push to restore freedom by airing more advertisements.

I think its working already, I read this article on Chinese farmland and thought, man they really have a lot of freedom over there !

[Oneaboveall]

Koch's now worth 100 Billion are upping their push to restore freedom by airing more advertisements.

I think its working already, I read this article on Chinese farmland and thought, man they really have a lot of freedom over there !

More fun from our national Koch problem:

Koch Brothers are killing rapid bus transit in Tennessee

[Ibon]

Whatever follows capitalism will arise organically and will not be utopian even if socialised.

What drives change?

This is one of the reasons I don't participate in polarized discussions that are all based on the legacy issues of the past 150 years. What follows our current economic system will have little to do with ideological battles being lost or won and everything to do with the organic and physical realities (consequences) that eventually mold what comes next. The very externalities that were ignored with such hubris with our current economic system will become the drivers going forward.

We have become so habituated as a society to ignore the physical pillars that hold up our ideological beliefs that we cannot see these pillars eroding away before our very eyes. The greatest revolutions happen when the physical infrastructure that holds up a society become undermined.

And nobody here can really forecast with any accuracy. Better to leave your ideology at the doorstep before courageously entering the unknown territory of the consequences of anthropogenic inputs which will be the hallmark of the 21st century.

[Pops]

Personal ideology is not rational and it's not optional, it's not even necessarily apparent to its owner. I'm convinced it's partly innate and partly learned but completely subconscious and immune to tampering by the conscious.

The best we can do is recognize that our knee jerks in a certain direction and try to adjust our direction of travel to compensate.

LOL

[americandream]

What follows our current economic system will have little to do with ideological battles being lost or won and everything to do with the organic and physical realities (consequences) that eventually mold what comes next. The very externalities that were ignored with such hubris with our current economic system will become the drivers going forward.

You have it. That passage in essence captures the meaning of material dialecticism. Those who suffer these consequences become:

1 The agents for change: or

2 Devolve into barbarism: or

3 With the climate elephant, fall out of the life cycle.

This is an objective process but subjectivity can help the process a little. The more consciousness at a critical mass level, the greater the impact of the subjective on the objective.