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Book: "Patriots" by James Wesley Rawles

Unread postby Waterthrush » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 21:45:37

[Includes spoilers below] OK, let me start out by saying first that this is not a novel about Peak Oil, but rather a TSHTF novel. In fact, Peak Oil would render parts of the book (like the entire last section :-D moot. Second, I am not the ideal person to review this book ... I could not tell what makes an automatic weapon different from a semi-automatic weapon. And that's why I'll make a separate thread here, to offer an opportunity to someone who actually knows something about guns to throw in some comments. After all, something similar to the novel's scenario is frequently discussed here, and, after all, that long-running thread in "Planning for the future" surely indicates the fascination that a large chunk of Peak OIl.com's readership has with guns.

For this is a novel about guns. In fact, I think this may be the first novel written by an inanimate object, a gun, or perhaps a committee of guns. :lol: Guns are the heroes, the plot, the actors, and the raison d'etre for the book. The plot appears to be that a large number of weapons go looking for humans to use them, and, happily, find a small band who are willing to devote their lives to customizing, servicing, and using guns.
Purchasing for each member began with a battle rifle, a riot shotgun with a spare "birdgun" long barrel and screw in choke tubes ...


There's much, much more along those lines. I think those of you who appreciate guns would love this. I'm a birdwatcher, and much of the novel reminded me of me and my buddies' discussing feather striping patterns, or relative tail lengths (yes, we do discuss birds to this level of detail!). There are paragraphs and paragraphs of description to delight the gun enthusiast.

The trigger for the action is a financial panic that leads within 3 days to mass rioting and a fairly complete breakdown of society along with the loss of millions of lives. A small group of friends in Chicago have quietly prepared for years for the scenario. They have a planned retreat in Idaho, and they all make their way there more or less intact.

They then set up housekeeping for the guns. The rest of the humans' lives excite no detail. Food? You thought they would be out foraging for herbs to go along with the fish and game. No, instead the group stockpiled thousands of MRE's apparently on the theory that they only needed enough nutrition to go on patrol with the guns. I was interested in laundry, but the group had ordered one wringer washer years before and apparently that worked out fine, because it is never mentioned again after the first time.

No, the skills that were involved here were almost entirely related to weaponry. The group house was designed with crossfire in mind. The entry road was lined with hidden foxholes (insulated in various ways). Lookout points were excavated and fortified.

Obviously all this had been accomplished long before the collapse, and one of the issues I have with the book is that its message is pretty despairing: unless you have already been preparing for a decade, it's too late. And preparing means acquiring welding equipment and skills, learning to drill steel, customizing your own ammunition, and spending your vacations at shooting school. (Forget that booklet on caring for poultry!)

Another issue I had was the lack of internal conflict - 3 years crammed together in a modest house would surely send a lot of well-armed folks over the edge. Maybe the ceaseless patrolling kept them out of each other's way! Internal group conflict would be a big issue for me.

Also, the group was perhaps too well armed to be the subjects of a novel. Their weaponry and training was so superior to those around them that they essentially had no trouble dealing with any of the post-collapse rogues and roving gangs (mostly bikers). They blew them away!

So the guns needed a bigger challenge, and they constructed a plotline that finally derailed the novel completely for me. Lacking any worthy opponents in northern Idaho, the guns create a preposterous scenario of a UN invasion (now remember, the whole world has been engulfed in crisis, and you're telling me the UN (with its total force of maybe 50,000?) is going to spare troops to invade Idaho?? But nonetheless the guns manage to overcome the UN troops, start and win another US civil war over the Second Amendment ??, and at the end are working to make the rest of the world safe for concealed weapons.

Although there are fuel shortages at the beginning, Peak Oil is not at base a factor in this novel, as by the end all the groups are driving around at will in armored vehicles getting 4 miles per gallon (but of course our group had constructed an underground tank - with stabilized gasoline - years before). If Peak Oil were the driving force in the novel, everybody would be grounded by the end. No UN invasion. No Abrams tanks. Of course, that never stopped our ancestors from carrying their clubs to the next village, but you get my drift.

Is it likely? God knows that things like this are happening in Zimbabwe today. But we have also seen huge difficulties in societies that have generated nothing along these lines. In any case, the novel's message is that if you haven't bought your weapons, your retreat, your camouflage sticks already, you will probably be killed. Not a message I want to hear!

I do think those of you who enjoy The Gun Thread would have a great deal of fun with this novel. And I would be interested in your takes on whether the gun descriptions are accurate and feasible.
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Re: Patriots by James Wesley Rawles

Unread postby dissimulo » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 21:58:19

:lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You totally nailed that book. I found it to be a huge disappointment, but being able to enjoy your review somewhat redeems the amount of time I wasted.

Nicely done!
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Re: Patriots by James Wesley Rawles

Unread postby dunewalker » Tue 22 Jul 2008, 22:15:17

Excellent review! I'm still chuckling over it. My girlfriend & I read this book together a couple of years ago, as pretty much our first try at "doomer porn". Neither of us were gun nuts, although as a kid I had the requisite .22s, etc. She had no background in guns. We laughed our way through it, especially at the ubiquitous brand names sprinkled throughout. I actually think the novel has a lot of good information aside from the guns part and everyone here would learn much from it. It's sort of like a Bruce Lee movie I guess-you know everything is set up just for another round of mayhem. Much of learning about prepping is being able to critique the preps of others, and this book is great for a launch pad.
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Re: Patriots by James Wesley Rawles

Unread postby hermit » Mon 09 Mar 2009, 13:26:28

I'm almost done the book, and have a completely different take on it. To me, it's a prepper how-to manual, packed with technical information, glued together with a veneer of a plot, from a Militia perspective.

I do agree that it's very gun-oriented, and has a lot of extraneous information about Militia beliefs, but there's still a treasure-trove of of information from a general prepper persepective. Like Bruce Lee said: Take what you need, discard the rest.

I've found it useful, and more entertaining the the average book on food storage. Highly recommended.
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Re: Patriots by James Wesley Rawles

Unread postby hermit » Sat 18 Apr 2009, 01:59:21

I'd like to revise my previous review. This is a nutter book - If you're a nutter, you probably already have a copy. If you're not, don't waste your time. The first half was pretty decent, but the second half was a brutally drawn out cliche about patriotic martyrs giving their lives to fight the United nations. Took me a month to wade through it. Yawn.
The previous reviewer, who said that the main characters in this book are guns, was right on the money.
hermit wrote:I'm almost done the book, and have a completely different take on it. --snip--I've found it useful, and more entertaining the the average book on food storage. Highly recommended.
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Re: Patriots by James Wesley Rawles

Unread postby dunewalker » Sat 18 Apr 2009, 12:06:37

dunewalker wrote:Excellent review! I'm still chuckling over it. My girlfriend & I read this book together a couple of years ago, as pretty much our first try at "doomer porn". Neither of us were gun nuts, although as a kid I had the requisite .22s, etc. She had no background in guns. We laughed our way through it, especially at the ubiquitous brand names sprinkled throughout...


Well, my former g/f & I have long since gone our separate ways, but when we cross trails, we still converse in the "Patriots" vernacular: "Hey, I took my new dog for a walk today, out by the LPOP--you know the one that's a bit farther from the front gate than the range of a .223." I still think that the online novel "Lights Out" by David Crawford is a better novel, in the same style. Probably best to read "Patriots" first, then move up. Here's a PDF link to the entire 600+ pages:

http://www.giltweasel.com/stuff/LightsOut-Current.pdf
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book: "Patriots" by James Wesley Rawles

Unread postby qwanta » Wed 23 Jun 2010, 11:43:39

http://www.amazon.com/Patriots-Novel-Su ... 56975599X/

The author is the creator of http://www.survivalblog.com .

The book veers a little too much towards militia-movement Christian right-wing territory. But I enjoyed it a lot, especially the 1st part that deals with a collapse (a financial collapse rather than a peak oil situation, but it is very plausibly written) and the subsequent breakdown of social order as the protagonists make it out to a pre-prepared well-stocked isolated outpost in Idaho. The book is packed with practical advice on fuel, guns, car mechanics, medicine, food disguised as a novel, but it is very engaging none the less.
The 2nd half of the book imagines the years after the collapse as society slowly reorganizes - the collapse having claimed the lives of 160million Americans. I didn't really buy the premise here as the "globalist" forces move in and UN troops invade the US and Idaho.

But still a great read, one of those books I couldn't put down.
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Re: book: "Patriots" by James Wesley Rawles

Unread postby Pops » Sun 14 Apr 2013, 16:13:03

I saw "Founders" at the library and picked it up.

It is the same story as Patriots, it is not a prequel or a sequel just a quel. Its set at the same time in the same circumstances, just with different characters. There is another quel too but I forget the name.

I call these Guns 'n Bible stories, about how a righteous evangelist christian is finally justified in killing gang bangers and other assorted non-churched folks. As quanta said in his/her review of the contemporaneous book, the plot is basically US collapse due to hyperinflation that causes the grid to fail in a couple of days for some reason and our heroes attempts to reach their bugout location in Idaho.

One couple live in Chicago and when TSHTF they must rely on their camo, BOBs, black guns and training (received from a fellow congregant) to escape the city. As they are bugging out they are roadblocked and shot up on "that" side of town and forced to abandon their vehicles.

They escape unharmed then the hubby says to the wife "Let's make them pay [for taking our stuff]" Wifie says "do you think that's right?" Hubby says "sure" so they ambush and kill a bunch of the bangers.

Later wifie is still mad about losing their stuff and not willing to forgive the bangers they killed and hubby pontificates, saying they have to forgive them, "It's the christian thing to do."

That is a Guns 'n Bibles story!

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It is interesting to me how prevalent this type of story is in my library. I have a habit of going every week or two and picking out a book, I'm just going alphabetically and picking out a book at random on successive shelves. A good many are "inspirational" and marked with a little sticker and since I'm not a christian they don't appeal to me. But I'm amazed how many seemingly "regular" novels follow this very premise, not the collapse part per se but the upstanding guy who's daughter, wife, dog or whomever is raped, killed, whatever and he is then justified to become the Sword. Not just the regular old Death Wish/Straw Dogs/Commando/Pale Rider revenge but the focus on righteous and long suffering this guy is with all the swearing and drinking and poor grooming habits of the people who don't go to his church. It must be cathartic to a big segment of the population to know true christians don't really have to turn the other cheek.

Anyway, if you like that this is great, if you're not of that particular segment it may be instructive to get a glimpse into the mindset of some of the folks who plan to make it through the bottleneck. I put it down at p75.
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Re: book: "Patriots" by James Wesley Rawles

Unread postby Lore » Sun 14 Apr 2013, 18:00:29

Rawles is a Jesus Joker, guns, beans and the Lord. The "good guys" as they call themselves in the "Patriots" are just as ruthless as the people they view on the other side, but they'll say a prayer for you after they off you. He has some better and far more practical information to walk away with in "How to Survive the End of The World as We Know It". James Wesley Rawles makes a pretty good living from the susceptible conspiracy nuts and gun toting fanatic doomers of America.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
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