Ayoob wrote:It's going to be a long friggin time before Matt's site goes down. Come on, guys, this is many many years in the future. We'll have a soft landing.
First, we'll have another economic recession, driving unemployment up again. Multiple families in the same household, just like it was back in the day. It'll suck, but we'll make it through that phase without too much trouble. This is years off. Minimum, 2008-2010, assuming Peak is in 2007.
Next, shortages of certain things. You won't be able to go to the store to get anything/everything 24/7/365. A little black market will spring up. People will think this is the Great Depression, but it won't be. This will take time as well. We have a lot of stuff here in the States. Garage sales will be decent moneymakers for a while. I bet a lot of bicycles will be stolen. Tons of them. There's a lot of bikes out here, though. There's enough to go around. We'll see this stretch out for years. 2010-2015? Gradually decreasing standard of living. I hope you have a relative with a big house that's all paid off. If not, squatting in apartment buildings or churches might become more common.
Then, shortages of everything. Gradually, more and more stuff will become unavailable at any price. We'll be eating more oatmeal and less bacon and eggs. [homer] Ohhhh, bacon....[/homer] This is going to be a tough adjustment.
People will move to farms and get jobs in the farms doing manual labor. They'll live in little shacks just like the other third world people. Eventually, some kind of organized local production of goods will resume on a small scale and very low-tech. I bet the first thing to show up will be local beer/wine/hard liquor. When a couple of your friends take up homebrewing as a recreational activity you will know what's up. 2015 and on.
I really don't think we're going to have a general dieoff due to starvation. It'll be more like gang warfare. You'll pay protection to the local Gangster Disciples or they'll take all your shit. Or you'll be the local Gangster Disciples. Either way... 2020 and on will be tough. Hopefully, the kids that are very young right now will take a realistic attitude toward all this and learn to play nice with each other. I don't know whether Europe will be better than the US. Europe has a long history of war among the European nations, and the US/Canada/Mexico don't. Don't know how this will play out, but we'll see.
I wonder what Africa will look like? I'm willing to bet a couple of rich Americans, Europeans, Japanese and a couple other groups will try to set up shop there with all the natural resources they have. Colonization, part three.
Permanently_Baffled wrote:This is a soft landing ? , great!
Ayoob wrote:I wonder what Africa will look like? I'm willing to bet a couple of rich Americans, Europeans, Japanese and a couple other groups will try to set up shop there with all the natural resources they have. Colonization, part three.
BTW, Whats your favotie cheap wiskey? Mine is Dirk, or Highland Poacher
The_Virginian wrote::
BTW, Whats your favotie cheap wiskey?
From reading the various posts here I believe that many people believe that peak oil is some kind of equalizer. It will bring those flashy corporate people back to earth, and re-establishes the value of the traditional agricultural society. I think this is more wishful thinking than reality. The reality is that corporate America and corporate Europe holds all the cards. If anything PO will be a divider, dividing the country between those who can afford to buy energy, to buy solar panels, to buy a wind mill and those who can't.
Permanently_Baffled wrote:LOL surely this is a contradiction. How can we watch the crash unfold on matt's website?? if his views are correct the internet will not be available or we will all be dead before we get a chance to observe the crash unfold.....
PB
BTW Stu I live just outside Southampton , how you think we will fare?
Use the pm if you want....
smiley wrote: If anything PO will be a divider, dividing the country between those who can afford to buy energy, to buy solar panels, to buy a wind mill and those who can't.
And those who can afford all that will be definitely better off than those who can't.
Ayoob wrote:I hope you have a relative with a big house that's all paid off. If not, squatting in apartment buildings or churches might become more common.
Mother Reportedly Left Kids For Three Nights
Girls Remain In Social Worker's Care
POSTED: 9:46 am EST November 23, 2004
UPDATED: 6:58 pm EST November 23, 2004
LA PLATA, Md. -- A woman told Charles County sheriff's investigators that after she locked her 4- and 5-year-old daughters in a storage unit, she left them in the cramped, unheated space for three nights while she spent at least one night at her mother's home.
Felicia Dorsey, 33, told investigators that she locked the two girls in the shed at 3 p.m. Nov. 16, according to an affidavit released by county District Court authorities. It states that the children, before they were found Friday, spent many hours alone in the shed, including one stretch of 22 hours.
Dorsey described the girls as her biological daughters. But Norris West, a spokesman for the state Department of Human Resources, said Monday that social services officials suspect she is not their mother. He declined to elaborate, but asked that anyone with information about the relationship between Dorsey and the girls to call county social services department.
The girls remain in the care of social workers.
Dorsey, a convenience store worker, has been homeless since being evicted Nov. 11 from a Waldorf apartment, authorities said. After locking the children in the $65-a-month shed Nov. 16, Dorsey "went to her mother's house where she slept for the night," the affidavit states.
The 6-by-12-foot shed, at Budget Self Storage in Waldorf, was packed with Dorsey's belongings and illuminated by an overhead light bulb. Nighttime temperatures in the area last week hovered in the upper 30s and low 40s. When the girls were found, they were wearing coats, authorities said.
Dorsey checked on the youngsters at 8 a.m. Wednesday, 17 hours after she had locked them in, according to the affidavit. It states that she then returned to her mother's home, but it does not say where she spent Wednesday night.
Dorsey next visited the shed to check on the children 22 hours later, at 6 a.m. Thursday, then again at 4 p.m. Thursday, according to the affidavit. The affidavit does not say where Dorsey spent Thursday night.
The affidavit states that Dorsey next visited the shed at 8:30 a.m. Friday, 16 hours after she had last seen the two girls, then went to her job as an assistant manager of a Dash In convenience store about two miles away.
The manager of the storage facility heard the children inside late Friday morning and called the sheriff's office. Investigators said they found no food or water in the shed. According to the affidavit, authorities found "a container filled with a substance consistent with urine" in the shed.
The girls did not appear harmed or disheveled, although the storage manager described them as appearing to be disoriented.
Two other children, ages 12 and 13, whom Dorsey said are her son and daughter, are staying with a relative of Dorsey's, authorities said.
Dorsey, arrested Friday at work, is charged with child endangerment and leaving a child unattended. She remains free on $50,000 bond posted by the Ministers Alliance of Charles County. Her initial court appearance is scheduled for Nov. 29.
A spokeswoman for the religious organization, Sandy Washington, has said Dorsey told her that she couldn't find space for her family at homeless shelters. Washington had no details about Dorsey's earlier attempts to find space, but said Dorsey had not approached the religious group for help in obtaining housing.
Nice spelling , have you been drinking ....?
I must admit I hate whiskey, I'd rather pickle my (limited) brains on beer and wine .....
The only one I sometimes drink is Johnny Walker Red Label. That's because I like Talisker and JW Red uses a lot of Talisker in their blend.
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