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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 02 Dec 2018, 03:52:00

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Outcast_Searcher wrote:Where did Obama say "racist white Americans"? It looked to me like he was saying racism is still a problem in the US, and didn't call it a white problem.

Did I miss something?


Yes.

You missed what Obama actually said, so you made something else up to replace it.

Well, I just went back and read the piece. Again. And I'll just call BS on your claim that he said "racist white Americans" until you can actually show it, since I STILL didn't see it in the piece.

Given the kinds of political claims you tend to make, blame yourself if sometimes people are skeptical, especially when you decline to actually show the quote to support your claim.

For a guy with your track record, re politics though -- congrats on having the stones to accuse others of making stuff up. :roll:


In an attempt to mediate this silly argument I went through the article word for word but I did not watch the video. In the text is the following statement
Barack Obama wrote:The “reason we don’t do it,” Obama explained, “is because we are still confused, blind, shrouded with hate, anger, racism, mommy issues.”


Now every honest person will admit that ex-President Obama made clear over the last decade and longer that in his opinion 'white people are racists' so when Plantagenet added the word 'white' to his statement that doesn't actually alter the meaning in any way from what the man said. I will point out that when the ex President uses the term 'we' in this context he could mean modern civilization i.e. the Global Civilization or he could mean 'Americans' so that portion is mildly speculative.

So IMO you are nitpicking to make a point which I reckon you have done. Plantagenet paraphrased the former President but he clearly did not alter the meaning behind the phrase he paraphrased. Saying
The “reason we don’t do it,” Obama explained, “is because we are still confused, blind, shrouded with hate, anger, racism, mommy issues.”
is a blanket condemnation of our civilization and the context makes it appear he is talking about America specifically as I don't believe I have ever heard him refer to Asian countries, African countries or South American countries as being 'shrouded with hate, anger, racism' while he absolutely said racist Americans clinging to 'God and guns' are islamaphobes and a long list of alternate terms that amount to the exact same message. That message being Americans=bad people.

So Plantagenet should have been more exact when claiming a quote rather than a paraphrase, but in this case at least no context was actually changed.

If it's OK to change the text to whatever political point we want to make, what's the point in discussing the words used at all?

When I do a Google search on "Obama says white people are racist", all the hits I get for the first page are about Michelle Obama and Trump. (Aside from a Snopes piece that says the claims of Barack Obama being a Racist are false, since they take statements out of context).

So maybe, it's not quite as simple as you claim. I'll admit I could be wrong, but I think words matter -- and the game of changing quotes to bait people is a tactic Plant has been known to use.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Cog » Sun 02 Dec 2018, 07:19:48

According to the rules set forth by the purveyors of identity politics, it is impossible for blacks to be racist. Racism can only be from a position of power. The left has assured me this is an axiom that can not be questioned.

Therefore, Obama must have been talking about white people, even if he did not use the word.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 03 Dec 2018, 01:19:41

Tanada wrote: Plantagenet paraphrased the former President but he clearly did not alter the meaning behind the phrase he paraphrased.


Thank you.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 03 Dec 2018, 01:29:19

University researchers create an "AI" program with an image of Obama that can be made to say anything. The program moves the lips and face muscles in a fake Obama face and simulates Obama's voice so "he' can be made to say crazy and stupid things. And thats just when the program reads Obama's own speeches. Imagine what Obama would sound like if he was reading Trump's speeches!!!!!

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I fully expect to see this technology used as to pull "dirty tricks" in future elections. Imagine if the Ds create a "fake" video of Trump using the "n-word" or the Rs create a fake video of Elizabeth Warren admitting she is't really an Indian, and then they release the videos days before an election. The media would slobber all over the "fake news" until the election day was over. "Fake" videos of candidates saying awful things could turn elections all over the USA.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Subjectivist » Tue 04 Dec 2018, 13:36:00

Inagine what the world would be like if he actually did the things he promised to do in speeches already made?
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 04 Dec 2018, 17:20:19

Plantagenet wrote:I fully expect to see this technology used as to pull "dirty tricks" in future elections. Imagine if the Ds create a "fake" video of Trump using the "n-word" or the Rs create a fake video of Elizabeth Warren admitting she is't really an Indian, and then they release the videos days before an election. The media would slobber all over the "fake news" until the election day was over. "Fake" videos of candidates saying awful things could turn elections all over the USA.
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Given the way police behave, how about manufactured evidence against a "perp" they shoot or club to death because they felt like it? And don't bother to tell me, far right wingers, that such things could never happen because the police are all goodness and light.

I'm NOT saying this would be common. I'm saying this could be another tactic the "bad guys" in power could use against virtually anyone, if the stakes were worth the risk of getting caught to them. Some advances in technology, IMO, are far scarier than others.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 04 Dec 2018, 18:44:16

Outcast_Searcher wrote: ...far right wingers...


If you are looking for "far right wingers" then you should go to another site. People here are mainly interested in peak oil and various other scenarios that might spell doom for the economy/environment of the earth.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby dissident » Wed 05 Dec 2018, 01:26:14

According to SJW extremists, anyone left of center who does not sing from their little red book choir sheet is a far right racist. They actually accused Kanye West of being an anti-black racist for engaging in independent thought and supporting Trump. Funny how Trump became a far right racist only after being elected in 2016.

It should be obvious by now to most people with a functional brain that SJW's are nut jobs and do not deserve the time of day. They are spreading hate and civil strife. I could care less about what delusion bubble they are in where they think that they are on the side of the angels. By any objective metric they are not on the side of truth, tolerance and human progress. They are a fanatical lynch mob pulling us back into the dark ages.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Newfie » Wed 05 Dec 2018, 07:39:58

What is a SJW?
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Cog » Wed 05 Dec 2018, 08:24:27

SJW= social justice warrior. Typically used to describe a leftist. Another term you might see in reference to them is FSA. Free shit army. Free health care, free college, guaranteed minimum income, etc.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 05 Dec 2018, 18:52:22

Plantagenet wrote:
Outcast_Searcher wrote: ...far right wingers...


If you are looking for "far right wingers" then you should go to another site. People here are mainly interested in peak oil and various other scenarios that might spell doom for the economy/environment of the earth.

Cheers!

So pretending that no far right wingers exist makes sense, because you think none are on this site?

Sure. That makes about as much sense as the liberals who complain about you bashing Obama on this site.

Think about it. And by the way, far right wingers do exist -- many of them elected Trump.

By the way, as a moderate, I bash the far left at least as often as I bash the far right. Perhaps you should be less sensitive. Over-sensitivity is a hallmark of the SJW.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 05 Dec 2018, 20:01:06

Outcast_Searcher wrote:pretending that no far right wingers exist makes sense...


?????

Once again, I don't think you understood my post. I never suggested that.

So allow me to assert here that course right wingers exist. So do left wingers and anarchists and socialists and communists and islamists and tamil tigers and royalists and black nationalists and la raza members and MS-13 and every other political and religious group you've ever heard of.

They are all out there. They actually all do exist.

Outcast_Searcher wrote: And by the way, far right wingers do exist --


Yes, far right wingers do exist as well.

And the chemical elements all exist. And clouds. And mountains. I'm big on mountains. And the oceans exists. And the moon. You can see the moon in the sky at night so it exists. And bears...If you forget there are bears out there when you go camping in Alaska you may regret it. And Europe exists. God I love to travel in Europe. I was just in Venice. It definitely exists. It may not exist forever, if the oceans keep rising, but for now it most definitely and gloriously exists!

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Cog » Wed 05 Dec 2018, 22:33:54

Put down the bong hippie. ;)
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby careinke » Thu 06 Dec 2018, 01:17:34

Cog wrote:Put down the bong hippie. ;)


There,there why are you trying to take away Pstarrs pursuit of happiness. :-D
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby mmasters » Sat 15 Dec 2018, 00:12:17

What gets me is how many people complain about Trump for superficial reasons and yet they stayed silent about Obama's lack of substance.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 10 Apr 2019, 13:58:46

AG Barr says that the Trump campaign was spied on.....and that its a serious matter......and that it wasn't just the FBI......and that he's got a task force working on it

AG Barr: Obama administration spied on the Trump Campaign

Hopefully they'll get after Brennan and the CIA angle. Brennan is clearly a partisan D, and his fingerprints are all over the phony accusations against the Trump Campaign. The old guy at Oxford with the young sexy Asian asistant who flew Papadopulous to London and then entrapped Papadopulous and then admitted spying on the Trump Campaign in the US is highly unlikely to be an FBI agent. I don't think the FBI has many Oxford Professors on their payroll. More likely he is CIA. IMHO, the CIA played a central role in starting up this whole phony investigation of Trump and the Trump campaign..

And its against the law for the CIA to spy on Americans in America---expecially for partisan political purposes.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Cog » Wed 10 Apr 2019, 21:54:20

The CIA was assisted in their spying by two of the five eyes countries. Namely the UK and Australia. That is the main reason you won't be seeing an unredacted Fisa warrant application that was used to spy on Trump. This attempted coup against Trump is international in scope.
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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 11 Apr 2019, 14:53:44

It will be interesting to see what happens if/when they get Julian Assage back to the USA. PBS is trumpeting that the arrest of Assange in London has huge implications for the Mueller probe because Assange will reveal how Trump and Russia connived to hack the DNC and leak the results to Wikileads.

Not once have I hear PBS (or any other MSM news) mention that Julian Assange has always maintained that Russia wasn't the source for the DNC material, and that he instead has hinted that his source for the DNC material was a dissafected Bernie Bro at the DNC who was appalled at the way the DNC had connived with the Hillary campaign to cheat Bernie out of the D nomination.

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Re: Blame Obama!

Unread postby Cog » Thu 11 Apr 2019, 17:13:49

The arrest of Assange is interesting considering the timing of the Mueller report release. Surely my tin foil hat is on too tight and its all just a big coincidence. ;)
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