[SeaGypsy]

Up your commie nose with this pitchfork.

[americandream]

Up your commie nose with this pitchfork.

If that makes you feel better, why not.

[SeaGypsy]

Oh, and another point to add to my list. Impotent rage directed at the messenger.

I just don't like you. Your arrogance is palpable. Your training in how to engage with others despite your disability is inadequate, insufficient. You have to put someone down to speak. You deserve the same treatment you dish out.

[americandream]

Oh, and another point to add to my list. Impotent rage directed at the messenger.

I just don't like you. Your arrogance is palpable. Your training in how to engage with others despite your disability is inadequate, insufficient. You have to put someone down to speak. You deserve the same treatment you dish out.

You dont see me complaining so go ahead if you find it therapeutic. I dont mind.

But the point still stands. The world will globalise and the masses will be rendered compliant ignoramuses, in large part. That is the nature of capitalist social relations.

[SeaGypsy]

Pigs will fly. Point to one multilateral free trade agreement which actually is one. You can't because there ain't none. Globalism is near zenith. As starvation bites the masses in millions, nationalism will rise up as it does when threatened. Globalism in the sense you fantasise about means an end to the military industrial complex, representing up to around 1/5th of world GDP. Where is this elusive peace? That ever loving contract?

[americandream]

Pigs will fly. Point to one multilateral free trade agreement which actually is one. You can't because there ain't none. Globalism is near zenith. As starvation bites the masses in millions, nationalism will rise up as it does when threatened. Globalism in the sense you fantasise about means an end to the military industrial complex, representing up to around 1/5th of world GDP. Where is this elusive peace? That ever loving contract?

Lets do this. Lets meet here on this forum in 5 years time and review our differing positions.

1 I say that not only will global culture have perceptibly shifted towards globalism, but the markets will be at even higher gains;

2 We will be further on the road to reconciling ourselves to globalism as governments will repeatedly show themselves to be liars as the globalisation engine continues unimpeded.

3 The system will still be based in London/NY for price discovery but China and India will be the juggernauts of growth, with Russia close behind and Africa lumbering into the mix.

4. The climate will be on its steady decline to collapse with db still posting the stats and the international world still dithering.

I will be here, hope you will.

[ralfy]

How much energy and material resources will such a level of growth require across several decades?

[americandream]

Ralfy

That is capitalisms tendency and archilles heel. It is a race between globalism and catastrophic collapse of the global climate in quick time...as opposed to a collapse due to resourcing as I see nothing on the commodities charts (and I am a pure price discoverer) to suggest an imminent failure in that market and its supplies.

[evilgenius]

We should take the recent trouble that James Blake, the former tennis star, recently had with a squad of undercover cops as an example of what is happening in America. He just looked up after answering some questions from a reporter to see a man in shorts rushing at him. Thinking that it might be an old friend coming to give him a hug he smiled at the guy, and got tackled. Soon he was converged upon.

I ask you, why didn't the officer have to identify himself? Why wasn't his undercover status merely sufficient for him to gain enough proximity to a suspect, in this case Blake looking very much like someone whose picture they had, such that the suspect couldn't get away if they decided to run after the officer did identify himself with a badge and some words? Undercover cop cars exist in order to catch people doing what they usually do. Their undercover status allows them to observe people as they behave when they don't think there is a cop in the vicinity. For all of their undercover status, though, they still have lights and sirens. They don't just pull up alongside a speeder and stick their hand out the window motioning for the speeder to pull over. They use a symbol of authority to actually engage with people.

So this undercover cop rushed Blake and did not identify himself as a cop. What if Blake had taken him as some kind of attacker? What if it wasn't Blake, but Mike Tyson, and he put the guy's nose back into his brain? Would the cop have any right to assert that charges ought to be leveled against Mike Tyson more severely because he hit a cop? How could they get away with that when the cop was actually behaving in a manner indistinguishable from that of any thug?

What is up with this business of the cops determining that they come with the fullness of the law in all of their actions and decisions and no matter what they do we have to accept that? They don't make the law. They enforce the law. I fully understand discretion, that an officer ought to be allowed to say that a person only going something like 3 miles per hour over the speed limit, or whatever at their discretion, oughtn't to be trifled with. I understand that they should be able to give warnings rather than tickets when they can see that a warning is appropriate. We should give them the right to interpret the meaning behind the law in such cases. Stomping on people without identifying themselves is, however, nothing like exercising discretion. It is creating law. It is elevating suspicion to violation. It's probably also human nature for most people in the office to try to get away with. When a society is polluted with fear we also, by and large, let them. And it is us, we the people, who ultimately have to say that we won't allow it. When our politicians understand that, then they communicate to those under them that such abuse isn't allowed. But when we are afraid as a society it's mighty tempting for the politicians to try it out. After all, they are only appealing to our fear. If they allow such a "get tough" attitude to prevail they might get our vote. We can't really expect them to think otherwise.

[americandream]

What does it take to get with the play?

The status quo is all that matters in the finality in any system including Ibons starlight sacredness dances by rich patrones.

In capitalism, the status quo favours the rich and their defence.

[PrestonSturges]

Police deaths are dropping to their lowest rate since 1870. And the rate would be even lower except for the high rate of black cops being killed by white cops.

[augjohnson]

Violence seems to run in the profession...

One Group Has a Higher Domestic Violence Rate Than Everyone Else — And It's Not the NFL

http://mic.com/articles/106886/one-grou ... ot-the-nfl

"In families of police officers, domestic violence is two-to-four times more likely than in the general population — from stalking and harassment to sexual assault and even homicide. As the National Center for Women and Policing notes, two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10% of families in the general population. "

[PrestonSturges]

Violence seems to run in the profession...

One Group Has a Higher Domestic Violence Rate Than Everyone Else — And It's Not the NFL

http://mic.com/articles/106886/one-grou ... ot-the-nfl

"In families of police officers, domestic violence is two-to-four times more likely than in the general population — from stalking and harassment to sexual assault and even homicide. As the National Center for Women and Policing notes, two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10% of families in the general population. "

And growing up with domestic violence is one of the things associated with becoming a sociopath.

[americandream]

The police simply mirror the society they live in and its irrationalities. But, the global capitalist class operate in a cosmopolitan setting, even old Trumpy, as they seek alliances abroad in their pursuit of wealth.

In other words, the America of the average person and his policeman is very different from that of the capitalist class. To that extent, whose society is stressed?

[ralfy]

Perhaps one may consider multiple crises (including lack of resources) amplifying each other:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... g-collapse

[onlooker]

The police simply mirror the society they live in and its irrationalities. But, the global capitalist class operate in a cosmopolitan setting, even old Trumpy, as they seek alliances abroad in their pursuit of wealth.

In other words, the America of the average person and his policeman is very different from that of the capitalist class. To that extent, whose society is stressed?

True the lives of the ordinary folk are vastly different then the ones of the super wealthy elite. Like night and day. AD, it may seem to you that I do not understand the concepts you present but I like to think I generally do. Is not hierarchy a metaphysical dialectics form in so much as it is informed by primitive connotations of social status, group dynamics, power dynamics and instinctual reactive forces? Thus you point to material dialectics as the progressing and evolving of mankind. Yet a policeman is acting relative to the environment in which he works and lives. The capitalist classes are in the same way products of their environment. How are any of them utilizing their rationality and cognitive capabilities to steer a different course then their milieu and upbringing dictates?

[americandream]

onlooker

I have given you all you need to understand the objective nature of consciousness derived systems and material dialecticism. That did not include objective socialism and voodoo notions of evolution and Darwinism.

[augjohnson]

Once again: There is no ‘war on cops.’ And those who claim otherwise are playing a dangerous game.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 1959726998

"So let’s go through the numbers. Again. So far, 2015 is on pace to see 35 felonious killings of police officers. If that pace holds, this year would end with the second lowest number of murdered cops in decades.
[...]
As you can see, by this measure 2015 is shaping up to be the second safest year for police ever, after 2013."

[Cog]

Body armor and superior training accounts for the drop in officer deaths. They are still being shot at just as much.

[augjohnson]

Body armor and superior training accounts for the drop in officer deaths. They are still being shot at just as much.

Let's see... this thread started out implying that massive increases of cop killings were driving them out of the profession, now when hard data is produced by multiple reports that show continuing drop in deaths, it becomes "They are still being shot at just as much." And that "superior training" seems to be on how to shoot first and then figure out how to lie to cover it up.

NYPD cop James Frascatore covered up his mistaken arrest of James Blake; police commissioner, mayor apologize to the tennis star
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2354973

NYPD cop who tackled tennis star James Blake has been sued 4 times for excessive force
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2356691