Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:Netherlands also owns the biggest port in Europe. Ag Products from a good third of the continent are exported through Rotterdam. Their tiny geographic footprint doesn't [g]row all that food they are exporting and saying it does juts makes the reporter look silly.
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Similarly Rotterdam, Holland, exports billions of calories of food, but that food is not grown in tiny crowded Holland.
asg70 wrote:Europe's golden age seems to be collapsing anyway now thanks to unrestricted immigration.
The Dutch agricultural sector booked yet another export record in 2017, the national statistics office CBS said on Friday. Exports totalled €92bn last year, making the Netherlands the second-largest agricultural exporter in the world after the US. US agricultural exports were put at $1.8bn in 2016. Not all the exports were produced in the Netherlands, however. Some €25.5bn of the total was in the form of re-exports from other countries.
dohboi wrote:Yes, some of those ag exports are throughput from other countries, but it's less than a third of the total:The Dutch agricultural sector booked yet another export record in 2017, the national statistics office CBS said on Friday. Exports totalled €92bn last year, making the Netherlands the second-largest agricultural exporter in the world after the US. US agricultural exports were put at $1.8bn in 2016. Not all the exports were produced in the Netherlands, however. Some €25.5bn of the total was in the form of re-exports from other countries.
That still leaves 66.5 billion Euros of their own home grown ag products that they exported. Nothing to sneeze at.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/01/t ... -after-us/
The basic point stands that, contrary to the implications of the Mouse Eutopia model (to the extent that I understand it or that it is even a coherently constructed argument), The Netherlands, in spite of being geographically small, very densely populated, and flush with so much excess produced withing and coming through their borders, exhibits very high levels of happiness and is among the topmost rated countries of the world on most measures of human well being...
Horticulture, especially the growing of ornamental plants and flowers, is a major factor in Dutch agriculture. The Dutch export significant amounts of cut flowers and bulbs, and the nation is world-renowned for its tulips. About 75 percent of flowers are exported, and there has been dramatic growth in exports to the United Kingdom, Italy, and Russia. This amounts to some 9 billion flowers per year. Horticulture is conducted in both open fields and through the use of glass greenhouses. The Netherlands now contains over half of all of the greenhouses in Europe, and there is a total of 44,000 acres of flowers under cultivation. Over 3,000 companies are engaged in horticulture in the kingdom.
Read more: https://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/eco ... z5vJYwb6h5
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
dohboi wrote:
And yet, in the midst of all this excess and surplus, they have very low birth rates, have a very well functioning society, have high levels of life satisfaction...in short show none of the particularly fatal signs of societal decay that the Mouse Utopia model seems to suggest is inevitable with such excess. (But again, maybe I'm misunderstanding the model?)
dohboi wrote:And yet, in the midst of all this excess and surplus, they have very low birth rates, have a very well functioning society, have high levels of life satisfaction..)
Ibon wrote:The degree to which you are aware that your traditions are under threat means you are still anchored to them. Economic or political forces may undermine them but the loss is still in your awareness. The problem in the USA is profoundly different. All the supposed traditions are just cartoons in peoples heads, not real. People are so easily manipulated when organic reality is replaced with fake concepts. Real civic engagement in your lical community? Not there anymore. Just a society untethered but not free.
dohboi wrote:I'm sure there are racists here and many other places, but that doesn't mean that it is the only or necessary response everywhere.
No one I know in my area has any qualms about this.
that doesn't mean that it is the only or necessary response everywhere.
are quick in throwing the "racists" card
tire wrote:
Have you ever visited (or better lived) in small town america? You would be surprised by the amount of civic engagement. Something cities lack (but not only in america, all over the world). Cities provide anonymity but in response lack community engagement. And multiculturalism makes it worse.
When the Frenchman Alexis de Tocqueville visited America in 1831, he was impressed with the level of civic engagement he saw among the American people. In his book, Democracy in America, Tocqueville often mentions his respect for the political activeness of the average American citizen. Tocqueville understood that America is designed to work best when her citizens are involved on the community level.
dohboi wrote:where my daughter happens to live, the largely white community closed off a street, set up a very long set of tables, and threw an iftar
dohboi wrote:out of touch with most of the places where Muslims are actually making homes in the West and becoming part of our well-integrated communities.
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