(to dissident: I don't take issue with you posting those videos, it's information, I am just saying someone could just post a bunch of vids of victims from the other side too -- so that's not objective journalism to know what's really going on overall.
I don't watch horrible videos from either side, those are just meant to pump people up and inflame. It's war propaganda and both sides do it. What I would look for, would be just an objective report on the overall situation.)
radon1 wrote:They do invite groups of politicians from Ukraine whose view are anti-Kremlin. Besides, there is a number of media outlets whose views and reporting are outright anti-Kremlin.
And you can watch BBC and euronews and Ukrainian channels and whatnot in Russia, they are all easily accessible even without an additional charge.
Well, ok, I trust you radon I'll take your word for it. All I know is what is said ABOUT Russian tv, and the various outrageous clips one sees now and then. The narrative is out there anyway, that Russian state tv is "all propaganda."
I'd wonder if on the main russian language news channels if the following is ever discussed:
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The fact that there are Russian troops in Ukraine, and the issue about the mothers' groups in Russia saying they know there are troops because their sons died in combat and they have graves in Russia. In USSR history, in the Afghan war, (saw a documentary about this), the kremlin used tell people the soldiers died in a training exercise -- to conceal the casualities in the war.
* And I'd just wonder if the NATO video I posted is right or not, is Russian tv like over the top talk radio / alex jones like over here. Do they outright make things up sometimes and just inflame people with graphic footage of shellings etc -- while maybe never showing a Ukrainian victim. I don't know the answer to these questions, but the narrative is there that Russian media is the source of the inflaming. And we've certainly seen Russian diplomats right at the UN sec council just spinning total baseless fictions that nobody believes.
I don't know what the truth is, but media is very powerful and can manipulate; Russians call it propaganda, we call it "narratives" and "spin" and "advertising" -- if news channels just showed dog attacks 24/7 then everyone would think there's a crisis of dog attacks and would be up and arms over that.
If the news shows nothing but crime, then people think crime is up -- when maybe the facts show it's actually down, overall.
If Russian news just shows horrible graphic shelling victims all day, then maybe that's how you get thousands of Russians so mad they get in the car to go fight in the Ukraine.
Russian people do not think that the entire world is out to get them, Six, relax. A group of psychopaths is not the entire world.
I think as long as there's internet access then it'll be okay, overall. There has been an overall decline though, on real journalism, everywhere. And it seems worse with Ukraine and Russia. We've lost so many newspapers here too though, but still, if something is going down in the US then there is so much honest objective journalism that you can know what's going on. Whereas Ukraine, for various reasons, just does not have robust media. So nobody knows the truth, there are no objective journalists giving the whole picture.