cbxer55 wrote:Oklahoma has a law working its way through the channels that makes english the official language, no more bi-lingual crap.
Ludi wrote:That wouldn't work here in TX.
AgentR wrote:Ludi wrote:That wouldn't work here in TX.
Some might argue that we don't speak English particularly well down here to begin with!
Why are people so asceered of multi-lingual people anyway?
eastbay wrote:Few are. It's the immense and wasteful cost of performing all levels of government and business in two or more languages. In the coming era of forced fiscal restraint it's an easy common sense place to conduct budget cuts.
Living SOTB and having/talking with many Mexican friends, they are more of an integrated society and are quite aware that if, as a group, they decide to leave the states in dismay and protest, the entire nation will be knocked to its knees over the issue of food (let alone gardening and house-cleaning). It could happen. Contrary to propaganda, Mexico's five internal wars brought about a situation where for all its touted poverty, most families still have some land and agriculture free and clear with a 365 growing season. They are not going to run by the million north of the border for starvation, because there's hardly a Mexican alive who doesn't realize the vast quantity of US-destined food grown south of the border. They will head south in search of food in a pinch, believe it.
The really grim aspect is all the guns, which are particularly common out west - something that this born Montanan observes a lot of more genteel eastern people do not realize. My husband grew up in St. Paul, and never saw a gun until Nam. No one had them among family/friends. On the contrary, where I'm from, children are shooting even before the diapers come off. MT has the distinction of some six firearms/person statewide, and in AZ, NM and across the southwest guns are just as common (they consider shooting "sport").
Back to the 98.5% of US people who are not doing any agriculture, but depending on another race/nationality of people to do that for them... the minute the firearms break out, the nation is going to learn what harm was done by eliminating most railroad service, because truckers will not be sufficiently armored to pass through a line of fire. And they won't, either, should internal war break out. And unfortunately an enormous portion of US food passes from the south upward, right through the region where the most guns are concentrated.
Once the trucking stops, there goes food, and a whole lot more. Then all the none-farmers do what? Head to the Walmart to shoot it out for the dregs?
As soon as it comes to that, trust me, every Mexican will be tearing southward to home. Not only that, few realize that entire crops are now rotting on the trees due to so many illegals already having returned. We notice this, our neighbors are streaming back here, and people guess that half the illegals are back already. Mind you, it's not the scions of the Spanish who pick the fruit for the most part. That is mostly "Indian" work. Ahem.
The combination of so many guns and so few railroads (they would be better armored, and perhaps engineers would brave what truckers certainly would not) makes for a very dire situation in a nation of people who do not know squat all about producing food.
If there's a moral to the story on this side of "maybe," it's that the "faith in technology" has perhaps fostered a total illusion of democracy, for when a nation subsists on the ag labors of a disenfranchised class (never mind that the US took half their country) and effectually expatriates agriculture, you end up with something like "the Truman show" for a nation. They are living in a bubble, out of touch.
I see the states as extremely fragile. And I haven't even started ranting about the gummnt's power to shut off electricity to break up internal strife, and what it's going to be like when water doesn't run, sewage doesn't flow, and the freezing weather sets in.
It will not end in a healthy way. And it is uniquely capable of ending in days.
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ReverseEngineer wrote: I wouldn't worry a whole lot about the Mexicans migrating up over the border. You'll have a lot more problems with local US citizens currently in cities who will be migrating out of them looking for a place to live. Poor Americans aren't any different than poor Mexicans, and believe you me, we have PLENTY of poor Americans, and a few more every day.
You either have Friends surrounding you on your Doomstead, or you have Enemies. Make some friends, even if they are Mexicans it will help you.
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rangerone314 wrote:Allowing massive immigration, legal or illegal is basically surrendering without firing a shot.
Ludi wrote:rangerone314 wrote:Allowing massive immigration, legal or illegal is basically surrendering without firing a shot.
I reckon if everyone starts shooting at Mexicans, they will go back to Mexico. Kind of tough on the "Mexicans" who have lived in the Southwest since this region was part of Mexico.
eastbay wrote:I suspect none of the few living here then are still alive.
Ludi wrote:eastbay wrote:I suspect none of the few living here then are still alive.
Yeah, well, you probably guessed I mean their families have lived here since then.
eastbay wrote:But even still, I bet nearly all of the Mexicans here now are other than the descendants of the few tens of thousands once residing in the other-than-California 1800's land acquisitions. Plus, they became Americans the really fast way!
rangerone314 wrote:The Romans let Visigoth refugees into their territory; that had a real good outcome - NOT!
ReverseEngineer wrote:rangerone314 wrote:The Romans let Visigoth refugees into their territory; that had a real good outcome - NOT!
It was good for the Visigoths. In any event, the Romans fell apart from internal rot. This would be different from the US how? Of course somebody can walk in once you can't pay an army to defend "your" rights to "your" land. I just love all these anti-Big Goobermint people who are for the Big Goobermint to protect them from the Mexicans. Laughable.
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