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New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby Geomancer » Mon 26 May 2008, 16:37:19

I believe that oil reserves are increasing and the price increases are created by speculators on Wall Street who are creating an oil price bubble and collapse similar to the sub prime bubble. Here is some evidence:
In April this year, Saudi Arabia's Khursaniyah oilfield began pumping and will soon add another 500,000 bpd to world oil supply of high grade Arabian light crude. In addition, the country's Khurais oilfield development, the largest of Saudi Aramco's projects, will boost the production capacity of Saudi oilfields from 11.3 million bpd to 12.5 million bpd by 2009. Khurais is planned to add another 1.2 million bpd of high-quality Arabian light crude to Saudi Arabia's export capacity.

Brazil's Petrobras is exploiting newly confirmed oil reserves offshore in its Tupi field that could be as great or greater than the North Sea. Petrobras says the new ultra-deep Tupi field could hold as much as 8 billion barrels of recoverable light crude. When online in a few years it is expected to put Brazil among the world's "top 10" oil producers, between Nigeria and those of Venezuela.

The the US Geological Survey (USGS)recently issued a report that confirmed major new oil reserves in an area called the Bakken, which stretches across North Dakota, Montana and south-eastern Saskatchewan. The USGS estimates up to 3.65 billion barrels of oil in the Bakken.

Iraq, is believed to hold oil reserves second only to Saudi Arabia while much of the world has yet to be explored for oil.

I believe that the major problem faced by Big Oil is not finding replacement oil but keeping the lid on world oil finds in order to maintain present exorbitant prices.

Just watch for the recent speculative oil price bubble created by Wall Street manipulators to pop in the near future.
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby KillTheHumans » Mon 26 May 2008, 16:47:54

Geomancer wrote:
I believe that the major problem faced by Big Oil is not finding replacement oil but keeping the lid on world oil finds in order to maintain present exorbitant prices.

Just watch for the recent speculative oil price bubble created by Wall Street manipulators to pop in the near future.


You sir, are going to have some FUN around here!
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Mon 26 May 2008, 16:56:34

If you are going to directly quote someone... say William Engdahl, who penned those exact words, please attribute accordingly. Anyone can cut and paste.

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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby mkwin » Mon 26 May 2008, 17:15:26

Geomancer wrote:I believe that .


You can believe what you like my friend, reality may not oblige however.

A few million extra barrels per day here and there is nothing in the grand scheme of things. We lose 4 million barrel a day capacity per year from depleting wells and demand is growing by 1.5-2 million barrels a day per year. Production has been essentially flat for 4 years despite record prices. Peak oil is here or will be here soon. We can only hope the down slope is moderate but you should prepare for the worst.
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 26 May 2008, 17:41:11

Good catch, CrudeAwakening. Deja vu.

Anyway your pet example isn't even up and running as you suggest, William.

Saudi Khursaniyah oilfield not pumping yet - Aramco

MANAMA (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's Khursaniyah oilfield expansion project is not yet pumping, but large parts of its 500,000 barrels per day capacity are ready, an official at state oil giant Saudi Aramco said on Sunday.

The world's top oil exporter had planned to bring Khursaniyah online in December. The expansion is the largest single boost to global oil capacity for several years.
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby NorseNomad » Mon 26 May 2008, 17:47:40

Be a good boy now, and don't rain on people's apocalypse :D ;)
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby killJOY » Mon 26 May 2008, 17:52:18

The lines you've cribbed from Engdahl, the abiotic guy, neglect to take something important into consideration:


UNDERLYING DECLINE RATES!!!!!!!!!


A goddamn oil "reserve" is not a goddamn flow rate!
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby TWilliam » Mon 26 May 2008, 18:12:04

NorseNomad wrote:Be a good boy now, and don't rain on people's apocalypse :D ;)


My my... four whole posts and already an expert on the level of awareness at this site... :roll:

A LARGE percentage of the membership here is QUITE well-informed about most, if not all of the complex interlocking issues revolving around the main issue of peak oil. Their doomerism is well-founded, so I'd spend a couple YEARS or so (as many of us have done) researching these things beyond the disinformation propagated by the mainstream media before deciding to cast your disparagement about... :wink:
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby PO_TimeCr0ss » Mon 26 May 2008, 18:15:05

TWilliam wrote:
NorseNomad wrote:Be a good boy now, and don't rain on people's apocalypse :D ;)


My my... four whole posts and already an expert on the level of awareness at this site... :roll:

A LARGE percentage of the membership here is QUITE well-informed about most, if not all of the complex interlocking issues revolving around the main issue of peak oil. Their doomerism is well-founded, so I'd spend a couple YEARS or so (as many of us have done) researching these things beyond the disinformation propagated by the mainstream media before deciding to cast your disparagement about... :wink:


Agreed. Very well said.
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Mon 26 May 2008, 18:21:57

Welcome Geomancer. Per your first post, you’re where I was at about 5 years ago when I first stumbled upon the reality of world Peak Oil production. I'm old enough to have come of age during the first oil crisis of 1973 and had always had my ear to the ground on the subject of energy supply. I knew the problem could come back, and boy did it.

Most of your statements are going to be dismissed out right by long time readers of the site, and for good reason. Not even deserving a response. But I'll just point out one below.

Geomancer wrote:Brazil's Petrobras is exploiting newly confirmed oil reserves offshore in its Tupi field that could be as great or greater than the North Sea. Petrobras says the new ultra-deep Tupi field could hold as much as 8 billion barrels of recoverable light crude. When online in a few years it is expected to put Brazil among the world's "top 10" oil producers, between Nigeria and those of Venezuela.


The Brazilian Tupi is not as "great or greater" than the North Sea field when it was discovered (30 billion), it's not even a third the size. This field, while one of the largest found this decade will not in any way make up for a field like Mexico's Cantarell, the second largest ever found, which is in terminal collapse now.

I would suggest several books to put on your reading list as starters:

'TWILIGHT IN THE DESERT' -MATTHEW SIMMONS

'HUBBERT'S PEAK: THE IMPENDING WORLD OIL SHORTAGE'
-KENNETH DEFFEYS

'THE PARTY'S OVER: OIL, WAR ANDTHE FATE OF INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY'-RICHARD HEINBERG

'OUT OF GAS: THE END OF THE AGE OF OIL' -DAVID GOODSTEIN
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby AgentR » Mon 26 May 2008, 18:25:12

Seconded Killjoy... though without the ..um, colorful language.

Reserves are not particularly meaningful, oil is leaving $100 going to $150 / bbl; what on Earth would producers be waiting for to DELIVER from reserves everything they can.

Oil companies are filled with execs who remember long stretches of very low prices; they probably have lackies running with squeegies to every empty storage barrel and tanker they've got!

No, they're at full throttle; all the reserves in the world can't improve the flow rate, and the flow rate is now less than what people would like to consume at most possible price points.

This isn't the 1900's when someone with a shovel and a hand pump could strike oil; this is an engineering limitation of how long does it take to build facilities that can deliver any meaningful extra flow; and is it even possible to now get the flow rate back ahead of the curve.
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Mon 26 May 2008, 18:37:31

Geomancer, try and ignore the harsh criticism above. Continue reading on this subject and make your self informed. It's important everyone knows about Peak Oil. Everyone on this site was once where you are now. The difference between ignorance and stupidity, ignorance can be cured.
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby killJOY » Mon 26 May 2008, 19:11:13

I'm sorry for talking like a dick.

But you see my point.

I hope.


Remember, too, that Deffeyes' calculation for peak takes into account 150 billion barrels of undiscovered oil "to get down the other side of the peak in time."

a lot of these "new" reserves aren't new at all.
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby Cashmere » Mon 26 May 2008, 19:17:06

Actually Silent Todd, I was never like the OP.

I never thought about oil until I stumbled across LATOC. Then I read that a few times, curious but not convinced.

Then, after more thought, I came to the conclusions presented there.


I never went through a "it's BIG OIL f---ing with us" stage of denial and fantasy.

The OP is a DSE type I - "Big Oil"
and DSE type II - "Speculation"
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby like_the_dinosaurs » Mon 26 May 2008, 19:43:50

You beat me too it. Nice find the dude!
It's still in recent media too. lol
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby Twilight » Mon 26 May 2008, 20:13:52

Geomancer wrote:I believe that oil reserves are increasing

You can believe what you like, the world has been eating into reserves since 1981 - net negative additions.

Perhaps the problem is you have searched for information that supports your conclusion rather than checking whether it is based on a correct premise.
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby TheDude » Mon 26 May 2008, 21:59:00

Cashmere wrote:I never went through a "it's BIG OIL f---ing with us" stage of denial and fantasy.


You're one up on Congress, then. Maybe we should call them up to tell them to read LATOC?

Or better yet, stuff like The Oil Drum | Reserves Growth and Production Flows.

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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby MonteQuest » Mon 26 May 2008, 22:12:34

Geomancer wrote:I believe that oil reserves are increasing and the price increases are created by speculators on Wall Street who are creating an oil price bubble and collapse similar to the sub prime bubble.


Since half of the "oil speculators" are shorting oil, I don't think that argument holds water. They are following the trend, not setting it.

Iraq, is believed to hold oil reserves second only to Saudi Arabia while much of the world has yet to be explored for oil.


Much of the world has yet to be explored for oil?

Not.

I believe that the major problem faced by Big Oil is not finding replacement oil but keeping the lid on world oil finds in order to maintain present exorbitant prices.


Roughly 20 per cent of global reserves are held by the multinationals (Big Oil) , while 80 per cent are held by national oil companies, mainly state-owned in asset-rich countries, such as Saudi Aramco or the National Iranian Oil Company

Just watch for the recent speculative oil price bubble created by Wall Street manipulators to pop in the near future.


If it pops then only the "long" "manipulators" lose.
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby KillTheHumans » Mon 26 May 2008, 23:36:01

dup AGAIN
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Re: New Oil Reserves vs. Peak Oil

Unread postby KillTheHumans » Mon 26 May 2008, 23:37:50

Twilight wrote:
Geomancer wrote:I believe that oil reserves are increasing

You can believe what you like, the world has been eating into reserves since 1981 - net negative additions.

Perhaps the problem is you have searched for information that supports your conclusion rather than checking whether it is based on a correct premise.


So you are bashing a guy for noticing the following.....global consumption between 1980 and 2006 was approx 687 BBO.

Additions to reserves according to the EIA during that exact same time frame are......643 BBO!!!!

WHAT!!!! Quick...its time....to...DO THE MATH!!!

We started with about 600BBO of reserves in 1980, produced ALL of them and then some, but only replaced them with 94% of consumption!!!! So there is your net decrease spread over the time period in question.

It took 26 years to do this, so some quickie math says that at a net decrease of 0.2% per year of available reserves, that it would take 500 years before the reserves hits 0 BBO!!!

Wow...and here I was worried about running out soon!
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