dissident wrote: Putin delivered and delivers.
radon1 wrote:dissident wrote: Putin delivered and delivers.
Our glorious leadership look increasingly like a bunch of clowns now. Said that they had a grand deal with China - and that all fizzled, China gave no penny in advance. No deal apparently, only noise.
"Death of petrodollar, death of petrodollar!",
Now look at the exchange rates.
Then going to Saudis to plea for production cut - now that's something. Real indication that they have no clue what to do next, if not panicking. So, Saudis "are meddling in Syria, and generally supporting extremism", and then they go to them to seek favors and demonstrating to the entire word just how insecure they are and exposing all their vulnerabilities. Saudis look like the kings of rationality and diplomacy - "we cannot reduce production because we will lose market share to the shale producers". How tactful, probably they have a good laugh in private over this bunch of incompetents, and rightly so. Especially given that the Saudis can hardly do anything about the oil price anyway.
Russian Central Bank... Holding atrociously high rates for years. Analysts unaware of the local specifics could issue a warning - "Russia is experiencing a slowdown, the central bank may lower rates tomorrow". And what would the CBR do the next day? Right, a rate hike. But when it is really necessary to hike rates, just to keep the things under control as the market expects, they hold them steady and the rouble collapses.
"Grand plan". Bunch of incompetents (hopefully, not outright abusers).
This is unhinged nonsense. The "praise" in the west was largely from Marxists and by your own terms the lives of ordinary Russians had improved immensely since the revolution. The worst excesses of human rights abuses were hidden. Enmity to the USSR and Marxism was a key plank in the rise of fascism across Europe, the praise was hardly universal. Strong criticism was probably more common than praise.dissident wrote:Interesting how during the 1930s there was lots of praise for the USSR being sung in the west. This was when it was the worst in terms of commie excesses. But the west went into a rabid frothing of the mouth by the 1960s when the situation in the country had vastly improved.
dorlomin wrote:Enmity to the USSR and Marxism was a key plank in the rise of fascism across Europe
Strummer wrote:dorlomin wrote:Enmity to the USSR and Marxism was a key plank in the rise of fascism across Europe
I don't think so. The primary driver was the decline of the German and Italian economies after WWI and the subsequent collapse of the German economy after the 1929 financial crash. Communists (in Italy) and Jews (in Germany) were simply convenient scapegoats. Hitler got only 2.6% of votes in the 1928 election, and he would have never risen to power if not for the 1929 crash which swayed a large part of the population to his side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_National_People%27s_PartySince the NSDAP did very well in areas that had traditionally voted for the DNVP like East Prussia and Pomerania, the German historian Martin Broszat wrote that would strongly suggest that most of the DNVP voters had deserted their old party for the NSDAP.[97] Broszat argued that what happened between 1929–1932 was that the supporters of the radical right-wing DNVP had abandoned it for the even more radical right-wing NSDAP.[98] Hugenberg had decided to use as his next wedge issue to destroy the middle-of-the-road parties that supported the Weimar Republic the theme of anti-Marxism (in the Weimar Republic the term Marxism was to describe both the SPD and the KPD). The media mogul Hugenberg used his vast press empire to wage a hysterical campaign warning his papers' mostly middle-class readers that Marxist SPD and KPD were going to mobilize the millions of unemployed created by the Great Depression to stage a bloody revolution and that only an authoritarian regime willing to use the most drastic means could save Germany.[99] The Comintern's Third Period, which meant that the Communists spent most of their time attacking the Social Democrats as "social fascists" was not reported by the Hugenberg press, which instead portrayed the KPD and the SPD as working together for a revolution. The Hugenberg papers argued that the only the DNVP could save Germany from revolution, and that democracy and civil liberties were major impediments to battling the supposed Marxist revolution that was just on the verge of happening.[100] The major beneficiaries of the Hugenberg press's anti-Marxist campaign were not the DNVP as intended, but rather the National Socialists who were able to portray themselves as the most effective anti-Marxist fighting force.[101]
The DNVP was declining rapidly as many workers and peasants began to support the more populist and less aristocratic NSDAP while upper-class and middle-class DNVP voters supported the NSDAP as the "party of order" best able to crush Marxism
dissident wrote:AndyA wrote:People believe all sorts of crap, whatever they read and agree with is 'the truth'. Whenever I read comments of people claiming the US is a net exporter of crude etc. I realise the world is fucked. People are sheep, and the media has no morals at all and is just promoting an agenda with no regard for the truth. What is shocking to me, is that this actually works. It's getting worse, not better, the lies are getting bigger.
What we are seeing is very worrying. It is as if back 70 years ago it took iron fisted state propaganda to spread the big lie but today it is emerging spontaneously from the "free" media. Maybe people back in the 1930s did not have college degrees to the level they do today, but they appeared to have more caliber as individuals. We have gotten soft, soft in the head from easy living.
Dorlomin wrote:The NSDAP both was millitantly anti-Marxist and adopted Marxist themes of anti-Capitalist revolution.
Cid_Yama wrote:The Nazis were not anti-Capitalist.
Do you just make this shit up or what?
dorlomin wrote:This is unhinged nonsense. The "praise" in the west was largely from Marxists and by your own terms the lives of ordinary Russians had improved immensely since the revolution. The worst excesses of human rights abuses were hidden.dissident wrote:Interesting how during the 1930s there was lots of praise for the USSR being sung in the west. This was when it was the worst in terms of commie excesses. But the west went into a rabid frothing of the mouth by the 1960s when the situation in the country had vastly improved.
dissident wrote:Why the f*ck should Russians bow to some haters from the USA and their imbecilic perceptions?
Now that life in Russia has become vastly better compared to the 1990s, we have the same rabid frothing of the mouth. I see a pattern and that pattern is: when Russians suffer the west is happy, when they are doing well the west is filled with psychotic rage.
radon1 wrote:Said that they had a grand deal with China - and that all fizzled, China gave no penny in advance. No deal apparently, only noise.
Then going to Saudis to plea for production cut - now that's something.
"Grand plan". Bunch of incompetents (hopefully, not outright abusers).
dissident wrote:It's easy to be a critic and your bitching takes the cake for vapid criticism. Russian wages in US dollars went up from $80 per month in 1998 to $960 per month today and still growing. That is what I call delivering.
Cid_Yama wrote:Dorlomin wrote:The NSDAP both was millitantly anti-Marxist and adopted Marxist themes of anti-Capitalist revolution.
That is total absolute nonsense.
The Nazis were not anti-Capitalist.
.....
Do you just make this shit up or what?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hmAlong with Gregor and Otto Strasser, Joseph Goebbels, Gottfried Feder and Walther Darré, Röhm was a prominent member of the party's radical faction. This group put emphasis on the word "socialist" and "workers" in the party's name; putting them ideologically closer to the Communists. They largely rejected capitalism (which they associated with Jews) and pushed for nationalization of major industrial firms, expansion of worker control, confiscation and redistribution of the estates of the old aristocracy, and social equality. Röhm spoke of a "second revolution" against the "Reaktion" (the National Socialist label for conservatives) to follow the violent Nazi "first revolution" purging of left-wing Communists and Socialists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_StrasserIn 1925 he joined the NSDAP, in which his brother had been a member for several years, and worked for its newspaper as a journalist, ultimately taking it over with his brother. He took the 'socialist' element in the party's programme seriously enough to lead a very socialist-inclined faction of the party in northern Germany together with his brother Gregor and Joseph Goebbels. His faction advocated support for strikes, nationalisation of banks and industry, and — despite acknowledged differences — closer ties with the Soviet Union. Some of these policies were opposed by Hitler, who thought they were too radical and too alienating from parts of the German people (middle class and some Nazi-supporting nationalist industrialists in particular), and the Strasser faction was defeated at the Bamberg Conference (1926), with Joseph Goebbels joining Hitler. Humiliated, he nonetheless, along with his brother Gregor, continued as a leading Left Nazi within the Party, until expelled from the NSDAP by Hitler in 1930.
dissident wrote: But guess what, genius, the ruble devalued by 35% and the oil price fell by less than 30% so that the Russian oil industry which operates on rubles is actually making more money.
It's called intelligent foreign and economic policy and not infantile butthurt tantrum.
Forget "monetarism" and other mumbo-jumbo, - Kudrin, along with CBR, are plain lobbyists on behalf of transnationals.Kudrin, a monetarist just like those in the CBR, is now a big time critic.
It's easy to be a critic and your bitching takes the cake for vapid criticism. Russian wages in US dollars went up from $80 per month in 1998 to $960 per month today and still growing. That is what I call delivering.
Sixstrings wrote:
Seriously -- it's Putin, it's all about Putin, for goodness sake just pick someone else. Russia has like a hundred million people, there's gotta be someone else that can do a good job besides that one man, Putin.
Good job.I was right! I was right!
Sixstrings wrote:And don't forget the great famine in the early USSR, and Lenin (or was it Stalin) just let it go on and few people today know how grim and horrible that was.
dorlomin wrote:Speaking of the European far right and Russia
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 83052.html
Cue the denial and bluster.
Putin’s far-right ambition: Think-tank reveals how Russian President is wooing – and funding – populist parties across Europe to gain influence in the EU
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putins-farright-ambition-thinktank-reveals-how-russian-president-is-wooing--and-funding--populist-parties-across-europe-to-gain-influence-in-the-eu-9883052.html
radon1 wrote:Provide him guarantees that he can quietly retire, and he will. But it has to be structured in such way that his safety is assured, no some silly "gentleman's word".
Good job.[/quote]I was right! I was right!
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