Maybe never. Just because the resource base is quite a bit larger than peaker mythology wants to recognize doesn't mean we are required to start using more of it. Certainly a shift to more efficient vehicles all by itself can drive a decent stake through the heart of demand.rangerone314 wrote:Hoorah! 9 trillion barrels left... So when does oil production rise to 90 million barrels?
I eagerly await trading in my Honda Civic with 160,000 miles for a $40,000 Volt. Now if I can just find a way to borrow that much moneyshortonsense wrote:Maybe never. Just because the resource base is quite a bit larger than peaker mythology wants to recognize doesn't mean we are required to start using more of it. Certainly a shift to more efficient vehicles all by itself can drive a decent stake through the heart of demand.
To some extent I agree. The heavy stuff can flow as fast as we wish to invest of course, but the driving mechanism of higher prices, we've been adapting to that since the late 60's when 30+ years of cheap and stable prices disappeared and left us with the trend of ever increasing real prices of crude.energyhoggin wrote:The bountiful heavy stuff doesnt flow as fast as the light good stuff, so we are going to have to adapt to high prices. We are going to have to get rid of the houses on wheels like we are driving today. The future i think will be motorcycles or possibly even mopeds.rangerone314 wrote:Hoorah! 9 trillion barrels left... So when does oil production rise to 90 million barrels?
This is PO +5, according to most Doomers, you should be trying to get out of debt, not into it.rangerone314 wrote:I eagerly await my $40,000 Volt. Now if I can just find a way to borrow that much money
shortonsense wrote:rangerone314 wrote:I eagerly await my $40,000 Volt. Now if I can just find a way to borrow that much money
This is PO +5, according to most Doomers, you should be trying to get out of debt, not into it.
If you can't afford to pay cash, don't buy it.
The total long-term potentially recoverable oil-resource base, including extra-heavy oil, oil sands and oil shales (another largely undeveloped, though costly resource), is estimated at around 6.5 trillion barrels.
rangerone314 wrote:shortonsense wrote:If you can't afford to pay cash, don't buy it.
Exactly...
I suspect I am not the only person who cannot afford the cars that are going to be the "solution" to oil never getting to 90 million/bbl.
shortonsense wrote:rangerone314 wrote:shortonsense wrote:If you can't afford to pay cash, don't buy it.
Exactly...
I suspect I am not the only person who cannot afford the cars that are going to be the "solution" to oil never getting to 90 million/bbl.
Maybe. But today, puttering out of the parking lot, I happen to notice a Tesla parked in it, appropriately far apart from regular cars. Absolutely beautiful car. And it wasn't Dicaprio or Clooney driving it.
The future...she be a rolling...and she don't need no gasoline.
It might be expensive now, but it won't be expensive forever. Look at..say...flat panel TV's. Certainly I remember what my first one cost, and yesterday, as I prowled the isles of Walmart, I was more than a little surprised at prices. Cars which are built from the same basic components as say...other electronics and my lithium powered hand drill.....lets start a thread on how long before the first 1000 customers are driving the future...the first 10,000, the first million?
The future...she be a rolling..and she don't need no gasoline.
Oh boy.shortonsense wrote:Good thing I specialize in science and critical thinking
Yup, that about sums you up.shortonsense wrote:Certainly when I started preparing for a post peak world after the 1979 peak oil I wouldn't have listened to anyone who tried to dissuade me from trajectory of preparation.
And yet, country after country goes into decline and, globally, producers are struggling to get above the highs of 2008. When will these people realise that potential totals are not the issue.energyhoggin wrote:article from the international energy association:
"Adding coal-to-liquids and gas-to-liquids increases this potential to about 9 trillion barrels. "
rangerone314 wrote:And what year will there be a million electric vehicles on American roads? (and out of what, 200 million)? Pick a year...
pstarr wrote:So let's play engineer and drag out the napkin. Does $100 sq. ft. foot sound right for an steel beam engineered tunnel?shortonsense wrote: roof roads
There are 41,000 miles of county roads in PA. A two lane county road is (with breakdown lane, curbs, drains, right of way, etc. ) ~80 ft. That roof would cost 41,000*5280*80*100=$1.7 trillion
PA townships and municipalities control 67,000 miles of road in PA. A two-lane town road is about -50ft. Those roofs will cost 51,376**5280*50*100=$1.8 trillion
Or do we need to spend $1000 sq. ft. foot? Do we need to roof the scooters? How many ICE's do we need to crush?
TonyPrep wrote:Oh boy.shortonsense wrote:Good thing I specialize in science and critical thinking
Shakes head in disbelief.
rangerone314 wrote:When will 50% of the 200+ million vehicles on US roads be hybrids or electric?
rangerone314 wrote:Also, when will most of the cars that are going to be sold in China and India (some for like $2,000 now) be electric?
pstarr wrote:So let's play engineer and drag out the napkin. Does $100 sq. ft. foot sound right for an steel beam engineered tunnel?shortonsense wrote: roof roads
pstarr wrote:
There are 41,000 miles of county roads in PA. A two lane county road is (with breakdown lane, curbs, drains, right of way, etc. ) ~80 ft. That roof would cost 41,000*5280*80*100=$1.7 trillion
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