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The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 27 Jun 2011, 03:12:16

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‘Why do we protest?’ Analysis by Teresita Cruz-Del Rosario and James M. Dorsey

Friday, 24 June 2011
Link: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 54623.html
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Yesterday I talked with a marokkan lady about her opinion.

She was deeply ashamed because of the brutality and the crimes the arabic leaders (tyrants) hitting their own people.

It is against islam and against humanity.

The arabian people have the right to fight for their freedom and human rights.

She closed:

It is our duty to win this fight for freedom against tyranny and crime!

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http://www.whywefight.net/2011/04/20/wo ... an-spring/
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby M_B_S » Sat 14 Jan 2012, 05:06:02

Provisions Shortage Sparked Arab Spring
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1326467700.php
By Richard (Rick) Mills

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As a general rule, the most successful man in life is the man who has the best information

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Conclusion


“Social unrest may reflect a variety of factors such as poverty, unemployment, and social injustice. Despite the many possible contributing factors, the timing of violent protests in North Africa and the Middle East in 2011 as well as earlier riots in 2008 coincides with large peaks in global food prices.” M. Lagi, K.Z. Bertrand and Y. Bar-Yam, "The Food Crises and Political Instability in North Africa and the Middle East" New England Complex Systems Institute.
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Yeah, it is true there is a strong correlation between food shortage and political unrest. Even ancient rome knew about this vital fact :

Bread and games!

Yes, peak oil is the black swan event but one who was correct predicted in 1954 to human mankind

Oil shortage means food shortage! M_B_S

"The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race." Malthus T.R. 1798. An essay on the principle of population.

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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby Cog » Sat 14 Jan 2012, 09:02:46

Whether its brutal repression of the people by Assad, Mubarak, or Ghaddafi or brutal repression by Sharia law in those countries will be irrelevant when it come to food shortages. Peak oil is going to bring us starvation and it really doesn't matter who is in charge when it happens.
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 14 Jan 2012, 10:01:27

That's about it. You don't need to brutalize people when they are satisfied with their meagre lot in life. There has been considerable upward mobility in these countries, now being nipped in the bud as peak oil bites.
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby radon » Sat 14 Jan 2012, 17:18:51

M_B_S wrote:She was deeply ashamed because of the brutality and the crimes the arabic leaders (tyrants) hitting their own people.


Why did it take 30 to 40 years to realize that these leaders were tyrants?

Yes, peak oil is the black swan event but one who was correct predicted in 1954 to human mankind.


White swans seem to be a rarity these days. Any unpleasant news are easily dealt with by labeling them a "black swan" event.
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 14 Jan 2012, 21:02:10

There's a few emirs, sultans and kings missing the ride. Do you think spring will come to the Arabian Peninsula (where all the imperial bases are located) ?
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby dissident » Sun 15 Jan 2012, 00:29:50

Keith_McClary wrote:There's a few emirs, sultans and kings missing the ride. Do you think spring will come to the Arabian Peninsula (where all the imperial bases are located) ?


Touché.
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 16 Jan 2012, 04:34:59

[quote="SeaGypsy"]It's a rhetorical question. It's ELM M_B_S.

http://www.aspousa.org/index.php/2012/0 ... edictions/


From your link:

"While it is true that the EIA shows that total liquids production worldwide, inclusive of low net energy biofuels, increased at 0.5%/year from 2005 to 2010, the use of a calculator shows that the global supply of net oil exports available to importers other than China and India (what I call Available Net Exports, or ANE) fell at 2.8%/year from 2005 to 2010. I estimate that the ANE decline rate will accelerate to between 5%/year and 8%/year in the 2010 to 2020 time frame.”
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I have verified it with German Crude Oil imports. And yes until 2006 Germanys oil import decline rate is ~4% p. anno.

112 million metric tons in 2006 to 90 million metric tons in 2011

http://www.bafa.de/bafa/de/energie/mine ... index.html

Thanks for the interesting links

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Actual we sea a "mega" fuel crisis in Egypt:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/world ... ss&emc=rss

The state news media said the empty pumps and long lines were caused by hoarding, prompted by what were called false rumors of an impending increase in gasoline prices, which the government sets at artificially low levels through enormous subsidies.

The shortage comes at a time when the government is running out of money that it might use to increase fuel supplies, if only to dispel such panic. Egypt’s reserves of foreign currency, needed both to prop up the Egyptian pound and to keep fuel prices down, have dwindled to critically low levels.

The crisis began with the collapse of tourism and foreign investment, two vital sources of foreign currency for the country, after the revolts that ousted President Hosni Mubarak broke out a year ago.

So in 2012 we will sea more riots in the arab world even in Egypt.

PEAK OIL!

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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 16 Jan 2012, 08:07:51

ELM and peak resources studies should along with fundamental ecology be taught as mandatory subjects in every school from primary up everywhere. Then we can have a sensible conversation a little more broadly than the 1-4% aware response to this most obvious consequence of these most basic facts. Until then, well we just have to muddle along, the revolution's going nowhere non cyclical.
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Mon 16 Jan 2012, 08:14:03

The revolution is going only were the West is allowing it to go.
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 16 Jan 2012, 08:21:00

Sorry but that is bunk. East/ West dichotomy has past it's use by date.
The whole thing is so precariously balanced that really no-one is in control in the slightest.
Nature has taken over.
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby dissident » Mon 16 Jan 2012, 10:02:58

SeaGypsy wrote:Sorry but that is bunk. East/ West dichotomy has past it's use by date.
The whole thing is so precariously balanced that really no-one is in control in the slightest.
Nature has taken over.


I am not so sure. There is an extreme amount of NATO meddling in the middle east. Libya, soon to be Syria, possibly Iran. I see there is not a lot of hysteria in the western media about the heel dragging by the Egyptian junta on elections. Perhaps the parties likely to get the most votes don't suit the west's fancy.

As pointed out above, where is the "Arab spring" on the Arab peninsula? Saudi Arabia invaded Bahrain to put down the popular uprising by the Shiite majority and there was not a squeak of protest from the west. Hell, one would think that Saudi Arabia is some sort of liberal democracy from all the coddling it gets and not a theocratic totalitarian toilet that it is.
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Mon 16 Jan 2012, 10:29:31

And among all these fancy clowns someone has control? Over what is actually going to happen? Amazing! Please let us all know which NATO folks are in CONTROL of the ME. Preferably published as a nice easy to read list with all contact details, thanks, I wait with baited breath,....
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Wed 18 Jan 2012, 07:35:56

Long term I agree, short term its being manipulated so Oil flows and Israel is protected
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby pana_burda » Sat 31 Mar 2012, 04:03:14

SeaGypsy wrote:Sorry but that is bunk. East/ West dichotomy has past it's use by date.
The whole thing is so precariously balanced that really no-one is in control in the slightest.
Nature has taken over.


Not exactly "nature". I`m inclined to think it is the ancient dilemma: "PROBLEM-SOLUTION-REACTION" what`s in stake here. After all, north-american/middle eastern bussinesses ran along smoothly for decades ....

No one can dispute the genuine grievances motivating millions to take to the streets at risk of life. No one can defend atrocities of the Mubarak regime and its torture and repression of dissent. No one can dispute the explosive rise in food prices as Chicago and Wall Street commodity speculators, and the conversion of American farmland to the insane cultivation of corn for ethanol fuel drive grain prices through the roof. Egypt is the world's largest wheat importer, much of it from the USA. Chicago wheat futures rose by a staggering 74% between June and November 2010 leading to an Egyptian food price inflation of some 30% despite government subsidies.


What is widely ignored in the CNN and BBC and other Western media coverage of the Egypt events is the fact that whatever his excesses at home, Egypt's Mubarak represented a major obstacle within the region to the larger US agenda.

To say relations between Obama and Mubarak were ice cold from the outset would be no exaggeration. Mubarak was staunchly opposed to Obama policies on Iran and how to deal with its nuclear program, on Obama policies towards the Persian Gulf states, to Syria and to Lebanon as well as to the Palestinians.[1] He was a formidable thorn in the larger Washington agenda for the entire region, Washington’s Greater Middle East Project, more recently redubbed the milder-sounding "New Middle East."


As real as the factors are that are driving millions into the streets across North Africa and the Middle East, what cannot be ignored is the fact that Washington is deciding the timing and as they see it, trying to shape the ultimate outcome of comprehensive regime change destabilizations across the Islamic world. The day of the remarkably well-coordinated popular demonstrations demanding Mubarak step down, key members of the Egyptian military command including Chief of General Staff Lt. Gen. Sami Hafez Enan were all in Washington as guests of the Pentagon. That conveniently neutralized the decisive force of the Army to stop the anti-Mubarak protests from growing in the critical early days.[2]


The strategy had been in various State Department and Pentagon files since at least a decade or longer. After George W. Bush declared a War on Terror in 2001 it was called the Greater Middle East Project. Today it is known as the less threatening-sounding “New Middle East” project. It is a strategy to break open the states of the region from Morocco to Afghanistan, the region defined by David Rockefeller's friend Samuel Huntington in his infamous Clash of Civilizations essay in Foreign Affairs.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23131

.... just follow the money .... errrr, I meant: THE new OIL BUSSINESS !
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby pana_burda » Sat 31 Mar 2012, 04:08:48

http://unimaps.com/mideast1914/index.html

Sorry for the edit but I had to include this enlightening map for all of you. And take my sig away before "other" consequences were to happen.
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 31 Mar 2012, 05:09:42

Warning on above map link/ it connects directly to facebook cookies without asking for authorization. (Which p's me off) It's a 1914 map of the middle east.
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Re: The Arabian Spring! Why?

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Sat 31 Mar 2012, 06:22:37

http://mondediplo.com/maps/middleeast1914

Here's a non toxic version with a bit less tribal detail and a lot more about influence vs independence.
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