dohboi wrote:" Nazi's were not anti-science, although they also believed in many psudeo-scientific and meta-physical ideas for which there is a questionable basis, to say the least! They utilised science to their benefit, and supported research to that end. They were also master propagandists, a discipline which is now largely provided by the MSM (not currently, at least, pro-Trump) as dissident points out. They also used fear and intimidation to silence critics and opponents which is a common feature, but Trump is a rabble-rouser, he lacks the skill of a true propagandist."
Soooo, not seeing a lot of difference, here.
Obviously, Rex T and his cronies 'utilizes science to their benefit, and support research to that end.'
They do that, although in a very reductionist way. See my recent posts about reductionist science vs systems science in the ETP thread. Regarding Rex and EXXON, generally, good science doesn't involve
burying results you don't like!
Why you think MSM is not pro-Trump is beyond me. They played his speeches non-stop, even while almost completely blanking out Sanders. Meanwhile he has Fox and Breitbart and lots of other outlets 100% in his camp. Because he has not yet totally squashed all other voices is hardly comforting.
I have been to the US a few times and experienced Fox News, I can well believe that, but News Corp aside US MSM was, as far as I could tell from over here, more anti-Sanders than Pro-Trump. MSM represents the neo-liberal establishment, not Trumpism IMHO. We have lots of News Corp media here too, but it's much more subtle, it was quite eye-opening to see the difference.
"They also used fear and intimidation to silence critics"
And what do you call what Trump does to all his critics?
Read it again, I conceded that much.
Really, you are very eloquently making the very case you pretend to be opposing. Thanks for that. But I
was hoping that you would be able to come up with some more comforting revelations about why these guys aren't Nazi thugs.
You're onto me! Seriously, like Newfie, I'm no fan of Trump, but I don't believe he has the competence to be like the Nazis. As much as the Nazi's were extremely unpleasant, they were very effective and achieved their objectives until they thankfully overreached. Trump is, in my opinion, overreaching from the outset. 1930s Germany was in a position very unlike the US of today, the Nazi's recognised that Germany was constrained to poverty and economic contraction, not by physical limits to growth, but political shackles, both self-imposed and externally mediated due to treaty obligations. They set out to remove those shackles by creating a narrative that the people got behind which enabled them to scapegoat minorities freeing Germans to work collectively, and produce an environment where treaties could be disregarded and broken as the machinations of those minorities, particularly the Jews.
As much as Trump might like to use that playbook, it's not going to work.