shortonsense wrote:Resource depletion is a serious issue... my resource depletion concerns.
shortonsense wrote:You see, it appears to be dogma that such an idea has value. Until you quantify the actual savings by such activity, as I have advocated through a scoring system, it is impossible to realize any value from the good intentions of those who defend the idea, but certainly aren't about to contribute a single BTU of effort into such an exercise.
Geoffrey A. Landis has summarized the perceived difficulties in colonizing Venus as being merely from the assumption that a colony would need to be based on the surface of a planet:
"However, viewed in a different way, the problem with Venus is merely that the ground level is too far below the one atmosphere level. At cloud-top level, Venus is the paradise planet."
He has proposed aerostat habitats followed by floating cities, based on the concept that breathable air (21:79 Oxygen-Nitrogen mixture) is a lifting gas in the dense Venusian atmosphere, with over 60% of the lifting power that helium has on Earth.[2] In effect, a balloon full of human-breathable air would sustain itself and extra weight (such as a colony) in midair. At an altitude of 50 km above Venusian surface, the environment is the most Earth-like in the solar system - a pressure of approximately 1 bar and temperatures in the 0°C-50°C range.
Because there is not a significant pressure difference between the inside and the outside of the breathable-air balloon, any rips or tears would cause gases to diffuse at normal atmospheric mixing rates, giving time to repair any such damages. In addition, humans would not require pressurized suits when outside, merely air to breathe and a protection from the acidic rain. Alternatively two-part domes could contain a lifting gas like hydrogen or helium (extractable from the atmosphere) to allow a higher mass density.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus
mos6507 wrote:Ludi wrote: I don't live in a town and don't especially feel like moving to one.
It's only called Transition Towns. It doesn't literally mean town. Some transition efforts like up in Vermont are in very sparsely populated areas. Others are trying to tackle the big city. Obviously both extremes in population density have their challenges, but there is a concerted effort being made to address them.
socrates1fan wrote:mos6507 wrote:Ludi wrote: I don't live in a town and don't especially feel like moving to one.
It's only called Transition Towns. It doesn't literally mean town. Some transition efforts like up in Vermont are in very sparsely populated areas. Others are trying to tackle the big city. Obviously both extremes in population density have their challenges, but there is a concerted effort being made to address them.
In such a peak-oil scenario, it would be both dangerous and impractical as one can not gain all their needs to live well alone and part of such a scenario would be reconstruction. Do many people here simply think that if such an event occurred they would simply live in the woods for the rest of their lives? That is an abandonment of humanity, it is natural to fight to survive and hide for periods of time, but afterwards, it is important to reconstruct the world.
Towns would be the place of rebirth.
socrates1fan wrote: Do many people here simply think that if such an event occurred they would simply live in the woods for the rest of their lives?
mos6507 wrote:The fact of the matter is that people have almost entirely lost their interpersonal skills. They've lost their ability to listen to each other, and to find compromise. We all have an infinite number of "channels" that cater to our exact ideologies and we don't feel the need to listen to rebuttals. The internet fosters the idea of blowing people away without consequences. What this has done is made us pathologically incapable of working with anyone else unless they are our ideological clone. Even the slightest disagreement is an irreconcilable difference as each side will never budge.
pstarr wrote:I finally cut my ties last week when I sold my old home.
pstarr wrote:it is the subject matter and philosophy, rather than the tools, that must be changed.
pstarr wrote:But yes BAU fosters isolation. After all, you are much more useful to the capitalist owners when you do not form buying cooperatives, unions, etc. To share goods and property is a revolutionary act and will be crushed with all the might of the world's strongest military/industrial complex.
pstarr wrote:Getting out of the Suburban Consumer Ghettos (SCG) the Masters built for us will also be a difficult, if not impossible job.
A lot harder than holding hands, hugging and singing Kumbaya
pstarr wrote:I went one direction and the nation went the other.
As the unfolding energy transition makes it necessary for neighbors to cooperate with one another to meet basic needs for food, shelter and health care, we will have to learn how to work together despite sometimes deep divisions in our cultural and religious value systems.
Revi wrote:I don't know what will happen, but I am determined to have a good time until it all goes down. We are meeting again in January for pancakes and transition at a nearby farm. We'll all eat some great local food and make up an initiating group. It is going to happen.
Join us if you want. To paraphrase Rumi:
"Our is no caravan of despair"
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