[Plantagenet]

Agree Plant, no immediate gas shortage. Agree on politcal puppet head figures too, Obama and Trump and so on . But how does one confront the lack of real GDP growth with all the convervative and liberal "old tricks" when the fundamental exponential growth of GDP which to all of their experience was delayed by conditions, and not squashed, now does not work anymore due to reality. All of our magic bullets need the exponential growth to resume to prove their gambles.....

You are exactly right, efarmer. Another economic collapse is the true storm ahead, into which we blindly fly!

But wait! We're not exactly flying blind when it comes to economic collapse. We know its going to happen. The US has recessions about every 5-8 years on average. We're overdue for another one and probably a severe one......even the Fed knows that. Thats why they are raising interest rates now......so they can cut them again when we go into recession (or a true economic depression) again----something which is inevitable.

Cheers!

[Ibon]

All of our magic bullets need the exponential growth to resume to prove their gambles. I understand our political differences.

If we choose the market correction in 2009 as the starting point it has been 7 years. How many years will it take before there will be capitulation that exponential growth is not likely to ever return. For how long can we keep the charade going? The debt just piles up and there is no exponential growth engine on the horizon. Most are starting to understand this. So how long still until we Name It for what it is?

[AdamB]

How about flying helpless into economic storm
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/0 ... s-m23.html
Trump calls for $1.7 trillion in social cuts

Well, sure, but it isn't as though he wants them all at once! And it isn't even a minor surprise that it is the socialists getting all bent out of shape about it, right?

[AdamB]

We are really flying blind because so many people do not, cannot and will not understand what is going on.

Well, sure, but 50% of a population is usually below average intelligence as well, and is it fair to expect objective thought or critical analysis from the below average half? And then there are those who think they have it all figured out, like peakers, and look where that got them?

[efarmer]

AdamB, your discourse with the percentage of folks you write off as offline is fine. They may be idiots, ill people, people up to neck in day to day survival, or people who when they have spare time choose not to ponder the major challenges to their life, and there may be a myriad of others in the subset for reasons totally unknown to me and you. People here learned about resource limits with unknown timelines, some of them were investors who saw it as prime info for a short term marke win, others see it from another myriad of viewpoints. It seems you wish this place to lead you to conclusions and timelines instead of open ended questions and discourse. Not what is going on here, and I know it sucks if that is the product you want, because it is the product many of us want too. Look where it got us, still searching, and trying to be civil, intelligent, and aware that you don't get quick answers on questions like this. Even if you want them very badly.

[dohboi]

nicely put, ef

[Newfie]

We are really flying blind because so many people do not, cannot and will not understand what is going on.

Well, sure, but 50% of a population is usually below average intelligence as well, and is it fair to expect objective thought or critical analysis from the below average half? And then there are those who think they have it all figured out, like peakers, and look where that got them?

So who then are the annoited few who hold the truth?

[Cog]

Most people are poor because of their mindset. At least in the USA.

[dohboi]

Maybe you have a vulcan mind meld with Bennie?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/ben- ... nd-n764376

[Cog]

Actually he is the reason I posted my comment and he is spot on. Refute him if you can.

[efarmer]

Mr. Carson correctly states that mental attitude and not simply adopting a victim
posture is the key for individuals navigating a path to sucess however they define
the end goals of that success. Individuals in the positive attitude posture however are subject
to overall economic growth to provide opportunity to be pursued and exploited via
a good mental attitude and work ethic. Having one's sails up and properly adjusted
is a huge part of it, having some economic wind blowing is another huge piece of the
proposition as well.

[Hawkcreek]

And now I are one of the leading experts here on the production of ethylene and its importance in US shale development as well as global manufacturing. And just a week or so ago I couldn't tell you what the f*ck ethylene was to save my life.
Seriously. LOL.

Rock, about 45 years ago I had the privilege of being the FNG who got to climb the C2 splitter (separated ethane from ethylene) once a month to check out instrumentation. About 300 feet to the top, and I was afraid of heights
All I know about ethane is that it is scary.

[Hawkcreek]

Actually he is the reason I posted my comment and he is spot on. Refute him if you can.

He already refuted it himself. He said if everyone had a mother like his -------
The majority of people in poverty don't have mothers anywhere near like his.
Damn shame that poverty for most starts in childhood. The becoming a lazy bum is a symptom, not the cause.

[onlooker]

We are all mostly products of our environment. The family one , the cultural one and the the time/space one. That is why we can have someone like Mother Teresa and Hitler. As humans we have an ample leeway of attitudes and actions we can assume and take

[Cog]

Actually he is the reason I posted my comment and he is spot on. Refute him if you can.

He already refuted it himself. He said if everyone had a mother like his -------
The majority of people in poverty don't have mothers anywhere near like his.
Damn shame that poverty for most starts in childhood. The becoming a lazy bum is a symptom, not the cause.

I hope you aren't going to channel Hillary and say it takes a village to raise a child.

[Hawkcreek]

Actually he is the reason I posted my comment and he is spot on. Refute him if you can.

He already refuted it himself. He said if everyone had a mother like his -------
The majority of people in poverty don't have mothers anywhere near like his.
Damn shame that poverty for most starts in childhood. The becoming a lazy bum is a symptom, not the cause.

I hope you aren't going to channel Hillary and say it takes a village to raise a child.

Nope, but it usually does take some decent, aware parents.
I know, you can refute that with another anti Hilary quip.

[onlooker]

Cog, seems to believe that we are all born with equal advantages and just have to channel our enterprising capitalistic selves and life will be just fine.

[Newfie]

Thread drift much?

Let's see if I can bend this back on topic.

Having a good mindset means being both self aware and aware of your surroundings and adapting your posture to the situation.

That's kind of hard to do if you poke your eyes out and refuse advice from your senior experts. The high priests (of consumerisM AKA American Exceptionalism) a wear nice robes but that does not make them omnipresent. Nature will not bend to their plans.

[dohboi]

Good points, Newf, and thanks for getting us back on track.

We know this in other contexts, but something about the perceived abstractness of science perhaps keeps us from seeing it here.

If you were on a flight and the captain announced that turbulence was getting worse, but that he didn't really believe in storms since they were a Chinese hoax, and he was going to navigate the rest of the trip blindfolded...everyone on board would do all they could to get that maniac out of the cockpit before he destroyed them all.

But when it comes to governance, science and CC...most just don't seem to understand the urgency of the problem (including a few of the otherwise astute and thoughtful posters to this forum ).