[Buddy_J]

If you are are right you'll make a fortune. If you are wrong you will still learn a valuable lesson.

Do you really believe what you are saying? Do you feel lucky?

Goodness gracious, what would the world be like without internet experts?

[Plantagenet]

Why would I take your investment advice?

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You are the one predicting the imminent demise of the frakking industry, not me.

If that is what you believe, then why don't you put your money where your mouth is? I'm definitely not advising you to short frakking stocks---in fact I think your prediction of the imminent demise of frakking is stupid----but if you actually believe in the dreck you are saying, then why aren't you acting on your own predictions?

[Graeme]

Last night, I watched this doco on Maori TV for the first time. Nearly all of the people interviewed were pessimistic about our energy future but what surprised me was that alternatives were discussed and largely dismissed as being "small" compared to energy supplied by fossil fuels. There was one exception: David Goodstein (note other people interviewed are listed here), who suggested in passing that solar could provide the equivalent of x TW energy (I don't remember number) that oil currently supplies but that research would have to occur to achieve this. He thought that this wasn't being done yet in 2006. Eight years on I see that this research into solar is now being done, and we are close to achieving his goal.

[Graeme]

We are in the era of PO but global economic collapse hasn't occurred hopefully not ever. I acknowledge that we are standing on a knife edge so the outcome is far from certain.

[Subjectivist]

We are in the era of PO but global economic collapse hasn't occurred hopefully not ever. I acknowledge that we are standing on a knife edge so the outcome is far from certain.

Most human civilizations have come and gone in a few short centuries. Exceptional ones like the Byzantine Empire or the Egyption Middle Period have lasted just over a thousand. The longest continuing dynasty to date is the Japanese Emporer with his family tree being traced back to 660 BC. However even that extended history going back over two thousand years has seen Japanese culture rise, fall, change and rise again more than once. Most everything else in Japan has changed over the last 2674 years, even though the family tree of the Emporer has not. The Han dynasty, the Chi'in dynasty both lasted hudreds of years before being supplanted, but today they are just history lessons in dusty old books.

One of the most frequent phrases is my Christian Bible is,

it came to pass

. Nothing but God is eternal, though many do not share my faith I believe this to be a fundamental truth. Using my Kindle to search my electronic edition of the Bible turns up over 100 passages where the phrase is used. Nothing made by humans, no person, no culture, no civilization lasts forever, everything made by humans is such that it came to pass.

I hope our civilization out lives me by hundreds of years, but the evidence of my senses tells me at this point, it came to pass.

[Scrub Puller]

Yair . . . Subjectivist. I assume you are American and as such you have an aberrant understanding of the English language.

If you google some definitions you will see that for many folks the phrase "it came to pass" just means that something actually happened . . . as does "momentarily" mean that something happened just for a moment and so on . . . there are several examples of different meanings being applied to common words.

In no way am I being critical it is just that some Americans have a different understanding of common speech.

Cheers

[Pops]

We are in the era of PO but global economic collapse hasn't occurred hopefully not ever. I acknowledge that we are standing on a knife edge so the outcome is far from certain.

We are at the peak, the maximum, the zenith of global extractive civilization; doesn't really make much sense to infer much from the fact that we haven't collapsed at this point, the only one who seems surprised and even much interested in that fact is copious.

We fly to mars to take pictures, spend trillions on guns that will never be fired and build cavernous houses yet stare at tiny screens at every opportunity; is it any surprise we can fool ourselves into thinking we can fuel it all with "renewable" energy?

[Subjectivist]

Yair . . . Subjectivist. I assume you are American and as such you have an aberrant understanding of the English language.

If you google some definitions you will see that for many folks the phrase "it came to pass" just means that something actually happened . . . as does "momentarily" mean that something happened just for a moment and so on . . . there are several examples of different meanings being applied to common words.

In no way am I being critical it is just that some Americans have a different understanding of common speech.

Cheers

Ah the joy of people sperated by a common language! Each time the phrase (it came to pass) is used in my Bible it is to signify an event has taken place that is noteworthy. To me it serves as an example always that something has changed that is different from what took place before.

The oil age came to pass, just like the stone age, the bronze age, and the iron age that each preceded it. That is how I see it, how do you see it?

[Scrub Puller]

Yair . . . Subjectivist . This was a comment of Mark Twains concerning the use of the phrase by Joseph Smith in his compilation of the Book of Mormon . . . .

The author labored to give his words and phrases the quaint, old-fashioned sound and structure of our King James's translation of the Scriptures.... Whenever he found his speech growing too modern -- which was about every sentence or two -- he ladled in a few such Scriptural phrases as "exceeding sore," "and it came to pass," etc., and made things satisfactory again. "And it came to pass" was his pet. If he had left that out, his Bible would have been only a pamphlet

I really don't believe the phrase has any significance.

Cheers.

[Subjectivist]

So tonight I was feeling nostalgic about what this place was like when I was just lurking around. So I searched around YouTube and discovered the movie is available for now. Not sure how long it will be available before it gets taken down, but for now,

https://youtu.be/odCZpBPfFQk

[ennui2]

If you are are right you'll make a fortune. If you are wrong you will still learn a valuable lesson.

Do you really believe what you are saying? Do you feel lucky?

Goodness gracious, what would the world be like without internet experts?

[AdamB]

So tonight I was feeling nostalgic about what this place was like when I was just lurking around. So I searched around YouTube and discovered the movie is available for now. Not sure how long it will be available before it gets taken down, but for now,

https://youtu.be/odCZpBPfFQk

The End of Suburbia was even better. Better meaning "has even more things to laugh about".

[ROCKMAN]

Dang Sub. Only a group of geologists, engineers and oil "experts" can help put a film together about PO that would send the average person into a coma. LOL. It's 0120 hrs and I was already getting sleepy. Now I ...can... hardly ....keep ...my ....eyes ....open ....to...

[GoghGoner]

Matt Simmons and Roscoe Bartlett have passed and Matt has become an Astrologist.

[ennui2]

Matt Simmons and Roscoe Bartlett have passed and Matt has become an Astrologist.

Roscoe Bartlett's dead? His Wikipedia page doesn't say so, although being retired and living in a doomstead in WV he might as well be dead.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... rid-101720

(BTW, he's a good example of someone who was always predisposed to doom, being a 7th day adventist. He was never a good appeal-to-authority figure. And with 10 kids, oblivious to limits to growth.)

[AdamB]

Matt Simmons and Roscoe Bartlett have passed and Matt has become an Astrologist.

Savinar is my favorite.His expose of the members of his website gave everyone real insight into the inner workings of a PO group.