careinke wrote:In some places, roads were maintained by conscripting all of the males who lived along the route to work on the road. So, basically if road work needed to be done within a mile or so of your house, you were expected to provide the labor to keep it maintained. Of course it was scheduled around harvests and other work that needed to be done.
sparky wrote:.
I't hardly capitalism , the feudal lords has labor rights over the tenants
usually about 40 days a year , it was some kind of tax in kind
it was used for working the lords lands , building forts and clearing the roads
pretty much in this order
Lore wrote:
In an imaginary post apocalyptic world bicycles will have a place, but I doubt very much if you're going to be able to find parts to fix a Shimano derailleur.
Now you have the basic shape and the more advanced knowledge of steel, you can ask almost any blacksmith to produce bike parts. The shape can be used to make a mold and the quality of steel dependent on the craftsman.The Practician wrote:Lore wrote:
In an imaginary post apocalyptic world bicycles will have a place, but I doubt very much if you're going to be able to find parts to fix a Shimano derailleur.
Trust me, Apocalypse or not, there will be plenty. (and if we run out we can always switch to Campy)
dorlomin wrote:Now you have the basic shape and the more advanced knowledge of steel, you can ask almost any blacksmith to produce bike parts. The shape can be used to make a mold and the quality of steel dependent on the craftsman.The Practician wrote:Lore wrote:
In an imaginary post apocalyptic world bicycles will have a place, but I doubt very much if you're going to be able to find parts to fix a Shimano derailleur.
Trust me, Apocalypse or not, there will be plenty. (and if we run out we can always switch to Campy)
The cheapness of modern parts comes from their high volume, but the basics of a bike are not going to be lost. The knowledge of materials was not their but the craft skill is visible in bronze age craftmanship. By 1900 Parsons were turning out turbines with tollerances of 1/1000th of an inch, that is several orders of magnitude beyond what is necessary for a bike. So we would need to go way beyond the late 19th century of technology to no longer be able to produce a decent shifter (discounting fixies).
Lore wrote:While engineering, manufacturing and assembling a modern metal bicycle might at first seem like a rather simple enterprise; I couldn't imagine any one person right off hand that could accomplish the task.
Duh.Lore wrote:A frame does not a bicycle make.
Even then you are wrong.You only have to imagine a world with no or limited electrical service to get the idea.
dorlomin wrote:Duh.Lore wrote:A frame does not a bicycle make.Even then you are wrong.You only have to imagine a world with no or limited electrical service to get the idea.
PO.com is full of people who know what cannot be done, but have never spent any time in a workshop surrounded by competant fitters.
But they are certain they are right. I guess they have a better imagination than me.
dolanbaker wrote:Post peak to me simply means less traffic, more public transport, small engined cars and far fewer SUV types.
ObiWan wrote:dolanbaker wrote:Post peak to me simply means less traffic, more public transport, small engined cars and far fewer SUV types.
Peak oil happened in 2005.
It would be nice if it did mean less oil, and less traffic.
dolanbaker wrote: A few more Percent in the drop in oil supply and the affects will become VERY noticeable when the peak time congestion all but disappears from many of the current "pinch points".
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