How do we create an agricultural system that is not dependent on fossil fuels, and yet can feed the population of the world?
vtsnowedin wrote:Just wait until the population crashes to below one billion then grab a shovel or hoe.
Tom Malthus one of the first to consider the problem though it would be about 1850 in 1799. Technology and fossil fuels have made him wrong for 175 years but we are running short of both. Considering human nature and the ineptness of current world leadership I would not be surprised to see a major population crash sometime in the next twenty years. How deep a crash depends on how clever we are with some predicting total extinction and others predicting a drop back to four or five billion. Being a bit pessimistic and considering the possibility of nuclear war I think a remainder population circa 2075 of one to two billion likely.DesuMaiden wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:Just wait until the population crashes to below one billion then grab a shovel or hoe.
When will this happen?
vtsnowedin wrote:Tom Malthus one of the first to consider the problem though it would be about 1850 in 1799. Technology and fossil fuels have made him wrong for 175 years but we are running short of both. Considering human nature and the ineptness of current world leadership I would not be surprised to see a major population crash sometime in the next twenty years. How deep a crash depends on how clever we are with some predicting total extinction and others predicting a drop back to four or five billion. Being a bit pessimistic and considering the possibility of nuclear war I think a remainder population circa 2075 of one to two billion likely.DesuMaiden wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:Just wait until the population crashes to below one billion then grab a shovel or hoe.
When will this happen?
I'm planning on growing my own food and shooting anybody that tries to steal it. What is your plan?DesuMaiden wrote:I am starting to doubt that we will be able to feed 7 billion people without fossil fuels. If that's true, then when we run out of fossil fuels, then billions of people will starve to death. Let's just hope I'm not one of the people who starves to death.
vtsnowedin wrote:I'm planning on growing my own food and shooting anybody that tries to steal it. What is your plan?DesuMaiden wrote:I am starting to doubt that we will be able to feed 7 billion people without fossil fuels. If that's true, then when we run out of fossil fuels, then billions of people will starve to death. Let's just hope I'm not one of the people who starves to death.
I'm not laughing! Why are you?DesuMaiden wrote:I didn't have a plan before you gave me a plan. I'm going to use your plan...grow my own food and shoot anyone who tries to steal it lol. That sounds like a pretty good plan lol.
vtsnowedin wrote:I'm not laughing! Why are you?DesuMaiden wrote:I didn't have a plan before you gave me a plan. I'm going to use your plan...grow my own food and shoot anyone who tries to steal it lol. That sounds like a pretty good plan lol.
DesuMaiden wrote:to see such a huge population drop would be pretty terrifying. Seeing billions of people die within the span of a few decades is pretty terrifying. Seeing the population of the earth drop by several billion within the span of a few decades is pretty terrifying. I just hope I survive the following population crash.
Ibon wrote:DesuMaiden wrote:to see such a huge population drop would be pretty terrifying. Seeing billions of people die within the span of a few decades is pretty terrifying. Seeing the population of the earth drop by several billion within the span of a few decades is pretty terrifying. I just hope I survive the following population crash.
Terrifying has been watching the huge population drop of flora and fauna at the hand of man these past decades as we went from 2 to 7 billion. Terrifying is right now at this moment close to our peak population. Seeing the human population drop back down to a sustainable number closer to historical norms should not be terrifying but rather give rise to a sense of relief that we are finally heading in the right direction. Desumaiden, the very things you fear are the keys to our salvation.
Ibon wrote:DesuMaiden wrote:to see such a huge population drop would be pretty terrifying. Seeing billions of people die within the span of a few decades is pretty terrifying. Seeing the population of the earth drop by several billion within the span of a few decades is pretty terrifying. I just hope I survive the following population crash.
Terrifying has been watching the huge population drop of flora and fauna at the hand of man these past decades as we went from 2 to 7 billion. Terrifying is right now at this moment close to our peak population. Seeing the human population drop back down to a sustainable number closer to historical norms should not be terrifying but rather give rise to a sense of relief that we are finally heading in the right direction. Desumaiden, the very things you fear are the keys to our salvation.
killJOY wrote:We're not in nearly as dire a situation as you think. We don't need to wean our agricultural system from fossil fuels because fossil fuels are not going away in our lifetimes. Our fossil-fuel reliant ag system is the envy of the world and will stay that way.
DesuMaiden wrote: Do you think I will see the end of the age of oil, and the end of petro-chemical based agriculture?
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