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Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby Graeme » Tue 04 Mar 2014, 19:55:56

Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Cool Planet Energy Systems, a technology company producing green fuels and biochar products, has started building its first commercial facility in the US state of Louisiana.


Called Project Genesis, the new facility is designed to produce 10 million gallons a year of high octane renewable petrol blendstocks, as well as biochar, all made from sustainable wood residues. Permits have been received to begin earthwork and grading, with construction now scheduled to follow.


The plant will be located at the Port of Alexandria, on the Red River Waterway. This site was chosen because of the large availability of woody biomass there, as well as interstate and rail access and direct barge access to more than nine refineries.


'We could not have picked a better location to build our first commercial facility and start transforming the nation's fuel and food supplies,' says CEO Howard Janzen.


Cool Planet's technology turns biomass into green fuels and biochar and has the ability to be carbon negative. Its green fuels are to be blended directly into the current fuel supply to reduce greenhouse gases from the air without sacrificing performance or increasing prices at the pump.


The company's strategic investors include BP, Google Ventures, Energy Technology Ventures (GE, ConocoPhillips, NRG Energy), and the Constellation division of Exelon.


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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby rollin » Tue 04 Mar 2014, 20:43:35

The same old problems with any biofuel will exist with this one.
Unless food producing land or new land is converted to making fuel, bio-fuels will only provide a few percent of the total fuel use. Also this will encourage further deforestation, bad enough US SE forests are being chopped up to make pellets for European power stations.
I wonder if this is just another way for big-ag to make big profits. I assume that there are monetary benefits to the oil industry for using more bio-fuel in their mix, otherwise why fund it.

We need to be building forests not cutting them down for fuel, the trees and soil capture far more CO2 than farmland.
It would be far better to increase efficiency, cut demand through conservation and changing of bad habits than to attempt to solve our problems with a pointless exercise in feeding BAU with converted natural products.

This bio-fuel system needs a good study of net energy versus "saved" carbon. Of course most of these studies happen well after the fact as is the case with ethanol production for fuel.
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby Graeme » Tue 04 Mar 2014, 21:16:48

Sorry, you are both wrong. Cool Planet will soon produce renewable gasoline from biomass (sustainable wood residues), and their plans include expansion to other countries in Asia-Pacific starting with Malaysia. Read more about the process, economics and development plans here and here.

Cool Planet’s technology turns biomass into green fuels and biochar and has the capability to be carbon negative. The company’s green fuels are able to be blended directly into the current fuel supply to reduce greenhouse gases from the air without sacrificing performance or increasing prices at the pump. The biochar product sequesters carbon and delivers transformative benefits to industries as diverse as agriculture, chemicals and pharmaceuticals. As a soil amendment, field trials of the company’s Cool Terra™ biochar with commercial growers have shown yield improvements of more than 50% with significant reductions in fertilizer and water use.
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby rollin » Tue 04 Mar 2014, 22:20:31

Graeme wrote
"Sorry, you are both wrong. Cool Planet will soon produce renewable gasoline from biomass (sustainable wood residues), and their plans include expansion to other countries in Asia-Pacific starting with Malaysia. Read more about the process, economics and development plans here and here."

What are "sustainable wood residues" and where is the source? Also what quantity is currently available?

My neighborhood wood burners are using up the nearby trees at a rate about 5 times replacement. We used to have a lot of shade here but each year it gets sunnier, trees are being cut and burned.
Upside is that solar heat and PV is becoming an option now.
Downside is that all that carbon is now up in the air or in the ocean.

Has anybody thought that anytime carbon is exuded out of the atmosphere some of it goes into the ocean which does not readily release the carbon and causes further acidification? So any process that essentially burns wood or other cellulosic forms damages the largest environment on the planet.
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby Graeme » Tue 04 Mar 2014, 23:07:54

I'm here mainly to report news. Sorry you both appear to find this unpalatable. I'm not going to justify their business model. You'll have to do the research yourself. I've given you two links; I'm sure there's more. If they are confident enough to construct a pilot plant and plan to expand in the USA and elsewhere, that's good enough for me. If you think it's going to be a disaster, then their plans will come to a grinding halt. We'll know soon enough.
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby SteveO » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 12:37:40

Cool Planet's technology turns biomass into green fuels and biochar and has the ability to be carbon negative.


I'm curious as to how this technology can possibly be carbon negative.
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby BobInget » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 15:06:22

What he (pstarr) just said. In Washington 'it's all about the cover-up'. With biofuels, it's all bout the 'gathering'. Even then, if people are permitted to dump their cuttings, scrap wood, trashed houses there remains a cost to each dumper in fuel and labor expense. Often overlooked is Taxpayer expense when it comes to controlling inevitable fires from spontaneous combustion..
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby BobInget » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 15:09:39

A bit of fire and biomass pollution control.

http://www.gulfbiomassincinerator.org/fire-explosion/
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 16:33:52

Folks : You are all missing THE key aspect of why they are building the plant where the are. They won't be cutting "old growth forest". Much of the N La pine forest is 4th or 5th generation plantings. I would imagine that a fairly big portion of their source will be mill wastes of which there is mucho. Now whether the economics work or not I'll leave the rest of you to battle over.

"Trees are the life blood of central Louisiana, a sustainable resource that is vital to the local economy and fills pockets on pay day. Commercial forests occupy more than 13.8 million acres of land in Louisiana (that's 49% of total land area) with 64% held by non-industrial private owners, 26% by forest industry, and 10% by public agencies. "That means we have about 148,000 individuals who own timber land in this state," said Clyde Todd, Forestry Issues Coordinator for the Louisiana Forestry Association. In order to maintain healthy forests, forest industries take time during the winter months to replant what they have taken out, setting seedlings that will grow to tall pine forests and begin the cycle of forest sustainability once more. This reforestation after harvest has become the cornerstone of Southern forest management programs for corporate, private, and government landowners.

The Louisiana Forestry Association estimates that around 128 million seedlings are planted in this state each year. That's 410 trees per day and 29 trees planted for each man, woman, and child in the state. Almost 55,000 acres a year are converted from farmland to pine trees. The usual planting is 700 trees per acre but varies by company policy. Planting season runs from November to March in Louisiana. "March 15 is the deadline for planting trees here," stated Dorothy Bosch of Bosch Nursery in Jonesboro. That's why companies as well as individuals start planting early. The Bosch Nursery began in the early 1950s by the Continental Can Company, an earlier owner of the mill and forestry operation at Hodge, to provide seedling for its own timberlands. The nursery was purchased by Leonard Bosch, one of the first employees there. While operations had ceased at Bosch in the last few years, they plan a moderate planting schedule next year. "We plant while the trees are in their dormant stage," said Kenneth Womack, Timberland Superintendent at Plum Creek in Joyce. Pines can't be transplanted in summer or spring because they are still growing. "During that period, the small seedlings would die when we pull them up to plant them." This 2003-2004 planting season, Plum Creek planted 1.2 million pine seedlings on 2,107 acres. "That's below average for our company," Womack said. "We've been changing our rotation to around 28 years to keep from clear cutting as much. We usually plant around 8,000 acres and we will again in a couple of years." Plum Creek grows their own pine seedlings in a nursery on Pearl River in Mississippi."
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 17:21:01

Thanks ROCKMAN. Support from a most unlikely quarter! I'm sure that Cool Planet has worked out the economics.

I saw just by chance the following article which illustrates that biofuel production from waste is a global phenomena. Here is a report from the European perspective.

How Europe could get 16 percent of its road fuel from garbage by 2030

By 2030, 16 percent of Europe’s road fuel could come from biofuels produced using waste from farming, forestry, municipal garbage collection, and other sources.

That’s the finding from a new report by the European biofuel industry and other non-governmental organizations, which was picked up by the Guardian and BusinessGreen.

All told, agriculture, forestry, and municipal waste produces around 900 million metric tons of possible biofuel feedstock a year. But the researchers estimated only 223 to 225 million metric tons — about a quarter — can be diverted to biofuel use in ways that don’t ultimately add to greenhouse gas emissions. At the current rates at which biomass can be converted into biofuel, that would supply as much as 16 percent of the European Union’s road transportation needs by 2030. (Though in reality, the heating and electricity generating sectors would be competing to use the biofuel as well.) Road transportation is one of the few sectors of the European economy where carbon emissions have risen rapidly in recent years — it’s on track to become the EU’s biggest source of emissions by 2030.

The study considered three different methodologies for turning biomass into fuel: biochemical ethanol, which uses enzymes to break the cellulose down into simple sugars and then converts them into ethanol; FT-diesel, which gasifies the feedstocks and then converts them into diesel or gasoline; and pyrolysis, an alternative form of gasification. It then looked at various wastes — wheat straw from farming, slash residue from forestry, sawdust from the timber industry, and municipal solid waste (MSW) — and found they all avoided anywhere from 60 to almost 300 percent of fossil fuels’ greenhouse gas emissions.


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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby Pops » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 17:26:27

Just thought I'd point out there is no such thing as ag waste, even if ag is forestry. Everything you export from a farm must be replaced in kind otherwise it is merely a strip mine.
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 19:41:11

Inevitably the calculations for biomass are more complex, since there are so many different possible types of feedstock, all with different calorific values and processing chains, and also may different forms of energy conversion, with different efficiencies. For some types of so-called ‘first generation’ biofuels, the EROEI ratio can be less than 1. Gagnon cites the EROEI ratio for power generation using biomass from plantations as 3-5:1, depending on the transportation distance. Newer types of more efficient bioenergy conversion and second generation biofuels may do better, and so should using already existing biomass: Gagnon cites the EROEI for biomass wastes as 27:1.


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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 21:53:21

Graeme I love ya bro. LOL. If nothing you are consistent: you confuse a statement of fact with support. Just like our perpetual chat about KXL. I can state fact after fact about oil pipelines, biofuels, POTUS's, etc. and it neither implies I appose or support them. As Joe Friday used to say: "Just the facts, sir"

As far as "virgin forests" in La. Being replaced by planted pine trees one should understand that the "virgin forest" was initially pine trees for the most part. You basic chicken/egg situation: La and east Texas was full of pine trees and thus early settlers cut and milled the wood. And what could they do with the cut land? Easy...plant more stuff...crops and pine trees. And then a fair bit of the original virgin pine forests were replaced with crop land. And now a lot of those fields are reverting to pine forests. Now if we could just repopulate with native Americans like before we wiped them out to fair degree it would be just like the olden days.
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Unread postby ralfy » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 22:05:14

I read that biomass globally has been fairly constant for hundreds of thousands of years. The implication is that the energy produced from such will have to be constant as well. But investing and profit requires the opposite.
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 05 Mar 2014, 23:24:10

Hey ROCK, When you mention "facts" (which can be challenged btw in an open forum such as this) such as - "They won't be cutting "old growth forest"", "mill waste" and "sustainable resource", I take that as support because some posters here (e.g. Raify) are arguing that sustainability isn't the case. I'm sure that CP will not use more waste than is available in any area during any year. You didn't criticize it whereas pstarr et al did. They're not going to spend $56 million on a pilot plant if its a scam.

In any case, I regard biofuel production as a stopgap measure until the global transport fleet is all electric, and I think that renewable gasoline produced by biofuel companies will have to be cheaper than traditional gasoline made by ff companies.
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Re: Cool Planet to start building renewables plant

Unread postby rollin » Thu 06 Mar 2014, 00:43:01

Let's look at efficiency. Forests are about 1.5 to 2 percent efficient at capturing solar energy. The conversion to gasoline will be less than 50% efficient. Burning gasoline in a car is about 15% efficient (that amount of energy actually propels the car). So overall efficiency is about 0.1 percent efficient.

Compared to a solar powered car which is about 15% efficient, that is a 150 to 1 efficiency advantage. So we put solar panels on cars, some on roofs or in yards and get better than a 100 to 1 advantage over converting cellulose to gasoline.
A no-brainer that does not devastate the environment.
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