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Xi, Putin meet as Russia kicks off biggest ever war games

Russia launched its largest war games since the Cold War on Tuesday with hundreds of thousands of troops, including Chinese soldiers taking part for the first time, in eastern Siberia.

The massive military manoeuvres come as tensions between the West and Russia have intensified to the highest level since the days of the Soviet Union. The drills have been condemned by NATO as a rehearsal for a “large-scale conflict”.

Dubbed Vostok-2018, the war games involve more than 300,000 troops, 36,000 tanks, 1,000 aircraft and 80 warships and support vessels, according to Russia’s defence ministry.

It broadcast images of military trucks being transported on trains, columns of tanks, armoured vehicles and naval vessels on the move, and combat helicopters and fighter aircraft taking off.

The main aim was to check the military’s readiness to move troops large distances, to test how closely infantry and naval forces cooperated, and to perfect command and control procedures, the ministry said. Later stages will involve rehearsals of both defensive and offensive scenarios.

Russia said 24 helicopters and six jets belonging to the Chinese air force had moved to Russian air bases for the exercise.

Beijing has said 3,200 members of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will join in the operations, about 5,000km east of Moscow.

NATO has said it will monitor the exercise closely as will the United States, which has a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific region. It is likely to be watched attentively by Japan and North and South Korea.

‘Sends a message’

The start of Vostok-2018 coincided with a meeting between Russia‘s President Vladimir Putin who met his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping on the sidelines of the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok.

Putin said Moscow has a “trusting relationship” with Beijing [AP]

Putin said Moscow has a “trusting relationship” with Beijing “in politics, security and defence”, while Xi said both countries would continue to “make joint efforts to … push the China-Russia relationship up to a new height”.

The three-day meeting in Vladivostok brings together the leaders of Russia, China, Japan and South Korea, as well 5,000 delegates from 60 countries.

It is the two leaders’ third meeting and comes amid an escalating US-China trade war and US-led sanctions against Russia over the conflict in Ukraine.

The Vostok-2018 drills involve more than 300,000 troops [Russian defence ministry via AP]

Fyodor Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs, said the coming together of Moscow and Beijing was a direct response to moves by the United States.

“Clearly we can see a growing rapprochement between Russia and China because of the very assertive line against both countries by the United States. And in this regard we can say that Donald Trump is the major patron of the Russian-Chinese closer relationship,” said Lukyanov.

Dmitri Trenin, a former Russian army colonel and director of the Carnegie Moscow Center think-tank, agreed.

“With its Vostok-2018 exercise Russia sends a message that it regards the US as a potential enemy and China as a potential ally,” wrote Trenin.

Wednesday will see war games featuring anti-aircraft technology, while the main event will be on Thursday.

The Russian army compared the show of force to the USSR’s 1981 war games that saw between 100,000 and 150,000 Warsaw Pact soldiers take part in Zapad-81 – the largest military exercises of the Soviet era.

But Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu noted these exercises were far larger.

“Imagine 36,000 military vehicles moving at the same time: tanks, armoured personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles – and all of this, of course, in conditions as close to a combat situation as possible,” Shoigu said.

al jazeera



28 Comments on "Xi, Putin meet as Russia kicks off biggest ever war games"

  1. makati1 on Tue, 11th Sep 2018 7:34 pm 

    Food for thought:

    “Life in a post-9/11 America increasingly feels like an endless free fall down a rabbit hole into a terrifying, dystopian alternative reality in which the citizenry has no rights, the government is no friend to freedom, and everything we ever knew and loved about the values and principles that once made this country great has been turned on its head.

    We’ve walked a strange and harrowing road since September 11, 2001, littered with the debris of our once-vaunted liberties.

    We have gone from a nation that took great pride in being a model of a representative democracy to being a model of how to persuade the citizenry to march in lockstep with a police state.

    Osama Bin Laden right warned that “freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life.”

    These past 17 years have proven Bin Laden right in his prediction.”

    https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/what_i_dont_like_about_life_in_post_9_11_america

    Nuff said.

  2. dissident on Wed, 12th Sep 2018 12:24 am 

    More spin BS from Al Jazeera. The US has declared that Russia is the enemy so why is it some sort of surprise that Russia is acting to secure itself?

    Maybe US politician blowhards whose full time job is to fellate the elites, should stop trying to rule the planet and spew threats. It is really rich for Uncle Scam to accuse other countries of being threats when they dare to respond to his brazen interference coupled with military and financial coercion.

  3. deadly on Wed, 12th Sep 2018 6:18 am 

    Gotta have some fun sometime and war games are not war, so it has to be more fun than not.

    The Chinks and the Ruskies are allowed to have fun if they want.

    The US has a thousand bases worldwide and every day it is a lollapalooza of war games, sometimes somebody gets hurt.

    That’s life.

  4. jj@snet.net on Wed, 12th Sep 2018 7:35 am 

    how much oil did they burn on this folly?

  5. Cloggie on Wed, 12th Sep 2018 10:20 am 

    Unbeatable alliance, which the US deep state grudgingly begins to admit:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-09-27/america-s-new-world-order-is-officially-dead

  6. Antius on Wed, 12th Sep 2018 11:50 am 

    Is Hungexit (or should I say Magyexit) on the cards? This sort of Marxist moral absolutism is exactly why I voted to leave the EU in Britain’s Brexit referendum. The EU simply doesn’t look after its own people. Hungary has been slapped down (by other EU nations) for failing to support the EU-Soros open borders dystopia. They have been punished for the heinous crime of actually having a racial consciousness and not bending over for the evil forces of one-world socialism.

    It is not too much of a stretch now to imagine Hungary leaving the EU and joining the SCO as an independent nation. I doubt that Russians and Chinese will treat the Hungarian people with the sort of disrespect that the EU did today.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-12/hungarys-orban-slapped-unprecedented-eu-censure-over-claims-authoritarian-rule

  7. Cloggie on Wed, 12th Sep 2018 1:45 pm 

    Antius, as your link already suggests, Hungary is not going to be condemned because that would require a unanimous vote and all eastern European states plus Italy and Austria will block that. Nobody is going to leave the EU other than the UK, that is simply moving home to Anglosphere and mongrelize itself into insignificance.

    While walking the streets of Venice today I was thinking about your proposed strategy of saving Britain from a certain migration death via secret societies. Actually they existed in the thirties. Most notorious was the Right. Club, consisting of MP’s, Russian refugees and the righthand man of US ambassador Joe Kennedy, Tyler Kent. They almost succeeded preventing WW2, as even the beeb admits:

    https://youtu.be/ppVzp-Mtq0E

    I’m confident that Russia, Eastern Europe and populism will carry away the victory over the left in Europe and we can restore European grandeur after the brief Anglo-Soviet intermezzo.

    Our cards are much better than those of Anglosphere.

  8. Antius on Wed, 12th Sep 2018 3:39 pm 

    “While walking the streets of Venice today I was thinking about your proposed strategy of saving Britain from a certain migration death via secret societies. Actually they existed in the thirties.”

    No doubt it will be more difficult today, given the scale and sophistication of the British surveillance state. The place really is like George Orwell’s 1984. More cameras per capita than anywhere else in the world; a system a road cameras that tracks all vehicles; cameras in streets with facial recognition technology; two large government departments employing thousands of people, whose sole job is to sniff out any sign of sedition and dissent. Mass indoctrination in schools and through the media; and in case that fails, a heavily ‘terror police’, which is for all intents and purposes, a secret police force. Russia had the Checka; Britain has the Terror Police. The place is every bit as controlling and totalitarian as anything he foresaw.

    Still, some kind of nationalist underground is now the only option for survival for the British people. Open nationalism hasn’t worked in the UK; the political system is not open enough to allow genuine democratic freedom. Maybe it is different elsewhere in Europe; but in the UK subversion is the only option left available. It is a regrettable realisation to reach; a tacit admission to one self at least, that genuine political change cannot be accomplished through any conventional means.

    Obviously, I won’t be able to tell you how it all goes.

  9. GetAVasectomyAndLetTheHumanSpecieDie on Wed, 12th Sep 2018 4:10 pm 

    I always thought that a better indicator that we reach peak oil,peak net energy and so on is the social tension in Western countries.

    You can see in Sweden, UK, Canada a fight for power (who will control the government control who gets the resources) from different ethnics group(White, Muslim, Asian).

    In case of UK, Muslim group are on the verge of controlling the government. They have sharia tribunal and hate speech censorship on their site.

    White are being disciplaced by a more aggressive tribe : muslim.

    The web site dieoff.org talk about this dynamic that we are not seeing take place in Western countries.

    From dieoff.org

    The inevitable “overshoot” eventually leads to decreasing power attainable for the group with lower-ranking members suffering first. Low-rank members will form subgroups and coalitions to demand a greater share of power from higher-ranking individuals who will resist by forming their own coalitions to maintain it. Meanwhile, social conflict will intensify as available power continues to fall.

    Eventually, members of the weakest group (high or low rank) are forced to “disperse.”[6] Those members of the weak group who do not disperse are killed,[7] enslaved, or in modern times imprisoned. By most estimates, 10 to 20 percent of all the people who lived in Stone-Age societies died at the hands of other humans.[8] The process of overshoot, followed by forced dispersal, may be seen as a sort of repetitive pumping action — a collective behavioral loop — that drove humans into every inhabitable niche of our planet.

  10. Cloggie on Wed, 12th Sep 2018 10:17 pm 

    “Open nationalism hasn’t worked in the UK; the political system is not open enough to allow genuine democratic freedom”

    What a difference with Italy! The most pleasant, the most beautiful, the most white, the most rightwing country in Europe. Just compare the Italian soccer team with those of Holland, Britain or worst of all, France.

    No wonder that the man, who in 2002 could have become the first populist PM in Europe, Pim Fortuyn in Holland, wanted to be and is burried in Berlusconi’s Italy:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rpca9WiqMyo

    The murderer was caught, but his motves unclear.

    Many, including me, suspected a system hit. Pim Fortuyn, the Dutch JFK. RIP.

    Like in the thirties, the Right is winning in continental Europe. The big difference is that this time, Russia is right-wing too. And China is communist in name only, in reality it is authoritarian nationalist with a capitalist system.

    Yesterday Juncker held his last major political speech. He is not as bad as many see him, I voted for him (I would have prefered de Gaulle but he was not electable.lol). Junckerrecently called Putin his friend:

    https://www.trouw.nl/democratie/jean-claude-juncker-poetin-is-mijn-vriend~a7236236/
    (that is what I want to hear)

    Juncker announced that the Trump presidency was a chance for Europe to emancipate from America. Europe should stop using the dollar for internal payments. They are scared of the rising might of populism in Europe and therefore announced they are going to close borders by creating an army of 10,000 border patrolers. Finally Juncker said that Europe must be more assertive on the international stage, including a military component.

    Everything that is happening now geopolitically proves Orwell right:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/which-future-world/

    I’m fairly optimistic that continental Europe will be able to escape from Roosevelt’s and Churchill’s empire and reassert itself as the premier address of the white race in the world.

  11. Cloggie on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 6:49 am 

    Free at last!

    The West could be over by November as even closet remainer May is now preparing for a no-deal Brexit:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6162875/UK-trigger-no-deal-Brexit-plans-November-tells-Cabinet.html

    Juncker state of the union: Europe should prepare for an independent future.

    France and Germany want to develop new fighter plane.

  12. makati1 on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 7:34 am 

    Cloggie. I hope you are correct. Possible Civil War in America after the elections. Add in the hurricane season starting with a bang and anything is possible.

  13. Cloggie on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 10:15 am 

    When Britain entered the EEC it was shabby Arthur Scargill country.

    It was during EU membership that Britain rose to “Cool Britannia”, although Blair and his handler Mandelsohn decided to give London away to Islam.

    Now with Britain likely crashing out of the EU, there is no doubt that the future of Britain is going to be stellar, after all, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage said so.

    However, according to Moodys, some minor glitches are to be expected en route to the post-Brexit nirwana:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6164477/Moodys-Britain-faces-recession-plunging-pound-soaring-prices.html

    Britain faces recession, a plunging pound and soaring prices in the shops after a no deal Brexit, credit ratings agency Moody’s warns
    Moody’s warned today the risk of a no deal Brexit scenario has ‘risen materially’
    It said Britain would rapidly fall into a recession amid a major squeeze on wages
    Automotive, airline, aerospace and chemical sectors would be worse hit

  14. joe on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 10:35 am 

    What do you know about Arthur Scargill you fake Dutch idiot?
    Tony Blair? He’s the reason for Brexit. Him and his fucking fake news ‘sexed up’ Iraq dossier. Without him, the Tories would have never been put in power but a nation sick of war and war crimes in the middle east. Yes London is blacking up by the day. But so is the rest of Europe. Berlin could probobly elect Erdogan mayor now, there’s so many sunni muslims in it. All the Europe is fucked, not just London, go smoke some weed in a cafe ‘man’…..

  15. Antius on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 11:28 am 

    Britain was a nation almost self-sufficient in manufacturing industry, with unsurpassed technical knowledge in many areas (such as metallurgy, nuclear power, aircraft, car industry and computing) when it joined the EEC. It leaves the block as a bankrupt basket case, with little or no domestic manufacturing capability and weak earnings that are insufficient to support basic public services.

    I doubt that the blame for this can be laid entirely on our membership of the EU; the country’s abysmal labour relations, generally low capital investment and savings rates played their part in bringing Britain down; as did the persistent lack of vision and duplicity of its political class. But it does raise the question of what the country would now be like had we not joined a block that basically forbade the UK government from patronising its own industry.

    The immigration crisis was made more intractable by EU open borders requirements, but the truth is that UK’s New Labour government deliberately imported millions of new people in an attempt to make the UK ‘more multicultural’. That could have happened outside of the EU and it probably will.

    Britain is bankrupt now whether it leaves the EU or not. Leaving the block may give us a little more control over our destiny and internal development.

  16. Antius on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 12:23 pm 

    Tim Morgan’s SEEDS analysis lays bare the seemingly insurmountable problems that the UK now faces. Brexit is an additional burden on top of them.

    https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2018/07/20/131-not-about-brexit/

    To summarise:
    1. To generate £1 of economic growth, the UK must borrow £5.20 per year. That is about 5 times GDP growth rate. The country is now borrowing 5.7% of GDP per year – something that is clearly not sustainable.

    2. Prosperity per capita in Britain has fallen by 10.3% from its peak year of 2003. In other words, we have gotten poorer in the past 15 years. SEEDS shows no sign of this downwards trend slackening, and projects that British prosperity will be a further 4.2% lower in 2022, at £21,090, than it was in 2017. In short, the average person is getting poorer at rates of between 0.5% and 1.0% each year.

    3. Aggregate debt at the end of 2017 (£5.25tn) equates to 258% of GDP but 361% of prosperity, the latter number having risen markedly since 2007 (283%).

    4. More worryingly, the rise in debt exposure has been matched by sharp increases in proportionate financial assets, a measure of the size of the banking system. The most recent figure, for the end of 2016, puts Britain’s financial assets at 1124% of GDP, but this rises to 1547% when prosperity, rather than GDP, is used as the denominator. The SEEDS estimate of financial assets in relation to prosperity at the end of last year is 1577%, again sharply higher than the level on the eve of the financial crisis in 2007 (1285%).

    The twin roots of the problem are globalisation and rising energy cost of energy. The compounding headwind has been a sharp rise in the energy cost of energy (ECoE). This, of course, is a worldwide problem, but has been particularly acute in the United Kingdom. Back in 2003, Britain’s ECoE (3.4%) was lower than the global average (4.5%). Today, though, ECoE is markedly higher in the UK (9.2%) than in the world as a whole (8.0%).

    Basically, we are screwed. Brexit or no Brexit; it makes very little difference.

  17. Cloggie on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 1:10 pm 

    “What do you know about Arthur Scargill you fake Dutch idiot?”

    A little touchy tonight, now aren’t we joe? Wonder why that is, asking the question is answering it. And why this “fake Dutch”? Great Thinker Anonymouse1 insists for years that I’m an “Israely”, without ever clarifying why.

    So what do you think I really am? A Jerry?… the Greatest Obsession in British life since 1891, when the British dominated the planet even more than the Americans do today and then all of a sudden these “Huns” appeared out of the blue and began to seriously challenge the British on world markets with their “made in Germany”.

    Look, whether you believe it or not, I’m Dutch. That is in mentality somewhere between the British and Germans, although I do admit that as compared to the Dutch you are probably familiar with, those from the western part, the “Hollanders”, I am indeed more German-oriented, because my roots are from the Dutch east, have German “love CV items”, have worked a decde or so in Germany, but I’m still 100% Dutch in loyalties.

    “Tony Blair? He’s the reason for Brexit.”

    No he isn’t. It is an identitarian thingy. Adult British simply have more affinity with Anglosphere than with continental Europe. The British elite decided early on: “if you can’t beat them, join em”, but were blocked by de Gaulle, who accurately foresaw that the British would use their membership to at least block deeper integration and, if possible, even destroy Europe from within, for instance via advocating Turkish membership. It was a rational, not a love marriage. Now a careless Cameron called for a referendum, genuingly wanting to see to Brexit rejected, but the British populace voted with their hearts, not with their brains, like the elite does.

    Lord Heseltine is the most visible canary in the coal mine. He is passionately against Brexit, calls it a disaster. Why? Does he love Europe so much? He doesn’t. He said in despair: “now the Germans have won after all”:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/24/germany-will-win-the-peace-in-europe-because-of-brexit-says-lord-heseltine

    What he basically says is: “we fought two world wars for nothing:, although he cannot afford to be THAT honest.

    Look joe, I have nothing against the British and would have readily accepted you as valuable co-Europeans, if you would have been ready to BE Europeans. But you weren’t. We didn’t ask you to leave, but I must admit that all the Gaullist intuitions have been confirmed. You are not Europeans, you are the quint-essential anti-Europeans. Only the Jews are worse, where the Americans are merely mostly clueless and probably a part of them can be re-Europeanized… “after the break”, if they can motivate themselves to insurrect, a big if.

    Brexit is monumental and will have vast geopolitical consequencesL

    – the West (US empire) is over. Even US deep state darling and former German FM Joshka Fisher has to admit it.
    https://www.amazon.de/Abstieg-Westens-Europa-Weltordnung-Jahrhunderts/dp/3462051652/ref=sr_1_1

    – Russia will become a major European state, on par with France and Germany (Paris-Berlin-Moscow), the most important objective in the political life of Vladimir Putin

    – Britain will geopolitically further shrink to become a 100% client state of the US. If the deep state returns after it has sat out DJT, whites will be politically finished off once and for all, all over Anglosphere, that will be thoroughly racially bolshevized.

  18. MASTERMIND on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 2:13 pm 

    This is how UN scientists are preparing for the end of capitalism

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/capitalism-un-scientists-preparing-end-fossil-fuels-warning-demise-a8523856.html

  19. MASTERMIND on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 2:20 pm 

    Study shows two-thirds of U.S. terrorism tied to right-wing extremists

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/12/study-shows-two-thirds-us-terrorism-tied-right-wing-extremists

  20. onlooker on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 2:57 pm 

    Ssshh, MM, you will wake up all those sleeping Americans thinking the raghead Caliphate Terrorists are coming to get them. And so yes lets go bomb them over there, if you do not approve you are a terrorist sympathizer. Oh and let the Govt and military have more power so they can squash domestic oops, international uprisings.

  21. Cloggie on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 3:13 pm 

    “This is how UN scientists are preparing for the end of capitalism”

    Oh not again this “British” muslim Nafeed Ahmed.], you were pushing 24/7 when you were still apneaman.

    There is nothing wrong with capitalism, it just needs to be tamed/restrained by law.

    Europe has in principle adequate answers to climate change, yet nobody there is contemplating abolishing capitalism.

    And again: Eurasia should withdraw from the UN, that club of winners of WW2 and start all over again with new institutions for a truly multi-polar world, based in Eurasia.

    Ahmed should concentrate on what he is good at: praying to Allah.

  22. Boat on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 3:22 pm 

    Guys like onlooker and mm once again distort the actual numbers by not pointing out US deaths from terrorism are less than 100 per year after year. Many tiny countries have many more incidents and deaths per year. No chance of having an honest conversation on this site. But then if we were to “drain the swamp” who would I correct.

  23. onlooker on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 3:23 pm 

    Yes, continue with an economic system facilitating and encouraging 8 billion rapacious ape ie. humans to continue devouring the Earth and its resources. Sounds like a wonderful plan to hasten the ultimate demise of Homo Sapiens. slip sliding. MM why even attempt talking reason to Cog.

  24. Boat on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 3:25 pm 

    Clog

    If the world injected fairness into any system, humans would benefit. My version of fairness btw. Lol

  25. MASTERMIND on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 5:40 pm 

    Onlooker

    I know you can’t reason with clogg..His irrational belief in technology is likely his only antidote to nihilism..

  26. onlooker on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 5:46 pm 

    MM, he seems to be not the only one on this board with that problem. His understudy Boat as one good example.

  27. MASTERMIND on Thu, 13th Sep 2018 5:55 pm 

    Man fakes Down syndrome, hires caregivers to bathe him and change diapers

    https://www.abc15.com/news/crime/pd-gilbert-man-fakes-down-syndrome-hires-caregivers-to-bathe-him-and-change-diapers

  28. Cloggie on Fri, 14th Sep 2018 12:13 am 

    Never a dull moment with Brexit:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6165689/No-deal-Brexit-bad-2008-financial-crash-BoE-governor-warns-cabinet.html

    British could lose 1/3 of the value of their homes in case of a no deal Brexit.

    “Fog in the channel, European Continent isolated” latest…

    A French minister had a good time yesterday pointing out that train and plane traffic between UK and Eurasia will come to a schreeching halt in case of a no deal Brexit:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6164719/British-planes-Eurostar-trains-STOPPED-no-deal-Brexit.html

    The DailyMail however dismisses any notion of inconvenience because of this:

    But ministers have dismissed the idea that European air traffic will stop if there is no deal. They have already negotiated a raft of deals with non-EU countries to ensure flights can continue to those countries after Brexit.

    Translation: if as a British businessman, you no longer can fly to, say, Germany to conduct a profitable transaction, you can still fly to Iceland (and jump into a vulcano?)

    Seldom has it been more fun to be a rejected lover.z

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