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“We Do Not Seek War,” Says President Who Just Started A War

Public Policy

President Trump has been steadfastly assuring the world that the United States government does not wish to start the war it has already started by assassinating Iran’s top general.

“We are a peace-loving nation and my administration remains firmly committed to establishing peace and harmony among the nations in the world,” Trump said in a speech at his luxury Mar-a-Lago getaway on Friday. “We do not seek war, we do not seek nation-building, we do not seek regime change, but as president I will never hesitate to defend the safety of the American people.”

“We took action last night to stop a war. We did not take action to start a war,” the president added.

To be clear, in no way is any part of this a thing. Assassinating a nation’s most senior military official, and then claiming that you do not wish to start a war with that nation, is not a thing.

America is at war with Iran currently. What that war will end up looking like is anyone’s guess right now, but there is no question that a war has been initiated. If any nation had assassinated a top US general via airstrike and then openly admitted to it, the US would immediately be at war with that nation. Without question. An extreme military retaliation would be in the works within minutes of the announcement, and the entire political/media class would fully support that retaliation in whatever form it took.

This may come as a surprise to some Americans, but that same principle holds true for other nations as well.

“His departure to God does not end his path or his mission, but a forceful revenge awaits the criminals who have his blood and the blood of the other martyrs last night on their hands,” Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said in a statement on Friday.

And, I mean, of course. Of course “forceful revenge” from Iran is in the mail. Only by the most bizarre American exceptionalist mental contortions could this not be blindingly obvious. The question isn’t if Iran will retaliate with extreme force, but when and where. Nobody with any functioning matter between their ears would expect anything else.

And of course the US government is now spouting completely unsubstantiated claims about General Qassem Soleimani, and of course the mass media are uncritically repeating those claims as fact, and of course the propagandized masses are regurgitating what their perception management screens have told them to believe. Trump administration officials are claiming without any evidence at all that Soleimani was plotting “imminent attacks on American diplomats and military personnel”, even going so far as trying to marry him to the 9/11 attacks and a host of other unsubstantiated excuses.

Anyone who believes any of this is a brainwashed imbecile. Because of the US government’s extensive history of lying to manufacture support for preexisting military agendas, the only sane response to unsubstantiated US government claims about targeted nations is absolute skepticism. That skepticism should remain in place until mountains of independently verifiable proof of the claims made has been provided. This is the only acceptable level of evidence that critical thinking permits in a post-Iraq invasion world.

This should be extremely obvious to everyone. The fact that it isn’t is the result of generations of increasingly sophisticated propaganda manipulating the way people think about war, what it is, and how it works. My social media notifications are currently flooded with Trump supporters assuring me that Soleimani was a “bad guy” and Trump is therefore a “good guy”, and that assassinating the top military official of a sovereign nation is a perfectly sane and acceptable thing for a government to do.

Don’t do this. Don’t advance war propaganda narratives for the US government.

Those who spread war propaganda are participating in that war just as much as those who actually go and fight in it, only they’re playing a far safer, far more cowardly, and far more dishonest role. A man who flies to Iran and murders Iranians with firearms is at least engaging in the war in a way that he will have to grapple with existentially for the rest of his life. A man who regurgitates Fox News propaganda on Twitter will then eat a pizza, have a wank, go to bed and sleep like a baby. But they both facilitated mass murder based on lies and American supremacist imperialism.

The war that Trump has started must be opposed forcefully and aggressively. Do everything you can to wake people up to what’s going on. This could get very, very ugly.

I’m going to keep following this important story and publishing regular updates as it unfolds. I encourage everyone else to pay close attention to it as well. Trump’s war with Iran should be front and center for everyone who cares about humanity.

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359 Comments on "“We Do Not Seek War,” Says President Who Just Started A War"

  1. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 4:54 pm 

    Death penalty for all white nationalism.

  2. Davy on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 5:03 pm 

    “Who Started It?: A (Reverse) Timeline Of US/Iran Retaliations”
    https://tinyurl.com/yhfkngjv US Army Major (ret.) Danny Sjrusen

    “Truth is, few politicians or commentators on the mainstream left or right bother to ask who started the now open-shooting-conflict between Iran and America.”

    “The answer, I surmise, is complex, but, to trained scholar or regional analyst, unsurprising: the United States of America.”

  3. Davy on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 5:08 pm 

    Oops, sorry y’all. Wrong link again.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/who-started-it-reverse-timeline-usiran-retaliations

  4. Davy on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 5:19 pm 

    “Krieger: The Final Chapter In The Decline Of US Imperial Dominance Has Begun”
    https://tinyurl.com/ygc385hg zero hedge

    “Another Stupid War”

    “First off, we need to understand the U.S. is now at war with Iran. It’s an undeclared, insane and unconstitutional war, but it is war nonetheless. There is no world in which one government intentionally assassinates the top general of another government and that not be warfare. You can argue the U.S. and Iran were already engaged in low-level proxy wars, and that’s a fair assessment, but you can’t say we aren’t currently in far more serious a state of war. We are.”

    “Soleimani was not only a powerful general, he was a popular figure within Iran. Unlike other blows the U.S. and Iran have inflicted upon one another, this cannot be walked back. There’s no deescalation from here, only escalation. Even if you want to pretend this didn’t happen and turn back the clock, it’s impossible. This is a major event of historical proportions and should be seen as such. Everything has been turned up a notch.”

    “Before discussing what happens next and the big picture implications, it’s worth pointing out the incredible number of blatant lies and overall clownishness that emerged from U.S. officials in the assassination’s aftermath. It started with claims from Trump that Soleimani was plotting imminent attacks on Americans and was caught in the act. Mass media did its job and uncritically parroted this line, which was quickly exposed as a complete falsehood.”

    “This is not a time for despair, as there can be a huge silver lining to all of this. A singular focus on imperial hegemony has been terrible for most Americans. It has made us weak, it has destroyed the middle class, and it has entrenched a small subset of sociopaths into positions of total, unaccountable power.”

    The energy and spirit of the American people have been pushed aside and smothered so a bunch of defense contractors, politicians and finance criminals can play a game of RISK at the public’s expense. The transition is likely to be quite traumatic and fraught with danger, but empire has been a curse and has hollowed out the country. Shaking off empire at least gives us a shot at a revival.”

  5. JuanP is extra stupid today on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 5:22 pm 

    stupid, anyone here with a brain knows you are stupid juanPee doing ID theft. What a dumb fuck. This is understandable being you are a high school drop out.

    This is all from stupid:
    Davy said “Krieger: The Final Chapter In The Decline Of US I…

    Davy said Oops, sorry y’all. Wrong link again. https://www.z

    Davy said “Who Started It?: A (Reverse) Timeline Of US/Iran…

    Davy said “Buchanan: If Baghdad Wants Us Out, Let’s Go…

    Davy is stupid said A typical day with the mentally ill Davyskum.

  6. Cloggie on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 5:23 pm 

    “Death penalty for all white nationalism.”

    You are soooh right, mobby.
    Now bring it on and see what happens next!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FoVP3ECbbo

    Mobby is going to solve our European survival problems in one big blow!

  7. JuanP is extra stupid today is stupid on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 5:30 pm 

    stupid, anyone here with a brain knows you are stupid Davytard doing ID theft. What a dumb fuck. This is understandable being you are dumbass.

    This is all from stupid:
    Davy said “Krieger: The Final Chapter In The Decline Of US I…

    Davy said Oops, sorry y’all. Wrong link again. https://www.z…

    Davy said “Who Started It?: A (Reverse) Timeline Of US/Iran…

    Davy said “Buchanan: If Baghdad Wants Us Out, Let’s Go…

    Davy is stupid said A typical day with the mentally ill Davyskum.

  8. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 5:53 pm 

    Iran just attacked US bases in Iraq.

    HIT THEM HARD! TURN THEM INTO RUBBLE! SHOW THE RUSSIANS AND CHINA

  9. Cloggie on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 5:56 pm 

    It’s beginning:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-crisis-us-air-base-rocket-attack-al-asad-erbil-latest-updates-a9274536.html

    “Iran crisis: Rockets strike Iraq air base used by US forces”

    Come on Iran, sink a tanker and kill the oil age and drive post-Brexit Europe in the arms of Russia!

  10. Cloggie on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:00 pm 

    Thank God, the miracle happened! Eurasia has ZOG locked in a war! Nice testing ground for Eurasian weapons. Kill a few thousand GIs and CW2 is a fact and Europe is free to take over again.

    Thanks Donnie!

  11. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:04 pm 

    Clogg

    I love how you can spin anything and everything. Being objective is not in your forte.

    As long as it makes you feel good. You are the pansy right. LOL

  12. REAL Stupid on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:05 pm 

    Who cares how many tens of thousands of American servicemen and women die.

    Let’s get this party started!!

    Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!!!!!

  13. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:10 pm 

    Iran claims Al-Asad missile strike as revenge for Soleimani, demands US withdrawal from Iraq

    https://www.rt.com/news/477678-iran-irgc-soleimani-revenge/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications

    NUKE THEM! DESTROY THEM!

    SHOW THE REST OF THE WORLD AND PUTIN WHO WE ARE!

  14. Cloggie on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:10 pm 

    For the first time in my life I agree with Michael Moore:

    https://www.infowars.com/michael-moore-apologizes-to-iran-in-arabic-for-strike-that-killed-soleimani/

    “MICHAEL MOORE APOLOGIZES TO IRAN IN FARSI FOR STRIKE THAT KILLED SOLEIMANI”

  15. Rich Diana on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:12 pm 

    ” Yeah, try and impeach me now, motherstickers! I got the button in my greasy little hands.”

  16. Cloggie on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:14 pm 

    “SHOW THE REST OF THE WORLD AND PUTIN WHO WE ARE!”

    We already know that, possom, a race of horse-thiefs and rapists. You are driving yourself into complete isolation. And everybody that matters has nukes. This is your last hour.

  17. Sissyfuss on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:22 pm 

    From Beethovens Choral Symphony, the Ninth, fourth movement. “Not these tones”.

  18. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:28 pm 

    Rural public library will again host lesbian pole-dancer’s ‘teens only’ sex ed class.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/rural-public-library-will-again-host-lesbian-pole-dancers-teens-only-sex-ed-class

  19. full woke supremacist muzzies jerk maximum low English i love cats i love every kind of cats i want to hugs cats but i cant hug all cats so anyway im a cats lover and i love to run sry im being emotional im thinking about cats again on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:29 pm 

    Today we celebrate (((supremetard))) birthday
    If in the coming days we prevail over muzzies muzzies lovers nazi libs then all victories belong to (((supremetard)))

    This is my master manifesto. i never do manifesto because that’s for commie and nazi and libs. I didn’t write it. Supertard big muzzie beard wrote it.

    I found it on authoritative ZH site

    Christmas in the age of jihad

    Jan 7, 2020 7:45 am By Robert Spencer

    Merry Christmas to all Jihad Watchers who are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ today.

    The question before us this Christmas, as it is every Christmas these days, is whether or not Christians should be allowed to be Christian and celebrate Christmas freely, without being brutalized or discriminated against, if they live in Iran, or Iraq, or Egypt, or Pakistan, or Nigeria, or Indonesia, or other Muslim countries, and whether free people of all creeds and perspectives should defend their right to do so.

    In many countries today, Christians are being kidnapped, imprisoned, wrongly arrested, beaten, and murdered — not because of anything they have done, but because they have dared to have beliefs that are considered blasphemous in authoritative Islam. We see this at Jihad Watch on a regular basis. We see jihadists attacking Christians with unremitting fury. We also see the world continuing to yawn and remain indifferent as all this goes on, and weak and cowardly Christian leaders saying that we must not talk about it for fear of “provoking” Muslims and harming a chimerical and fruitless (at best) Muslim/Christian “dialogue.” Those who dare anyway to speak out about the persecution of Christians that the persecutors justify by invoking the Qur’an and Sunnah are vilified, demonized, and silenced as “bigots” and “Islamophobes.” Even some Christians do this to their fellow Christians who speak unwelcome truths on these matters.

    So here is something to remember this Christmas: if you are a free human being, whether or not you are Christian, those Christians who are being persecuted in Iran, and Iraq, and Indonesia, and Nigeria, and Egypt, and Pakistan, and elsewhere in the Islamic world, are standing in your place. The jihadis would just as soon attack you as well, and will eventually if they get the chance. Remember that the Islamic jihad program has you on its list. You may not be a Christian. You may not be a Jew. You may not be a Hindu. You may not be a Buddhist. You may not wish to pay attention to the jihad at all. But the jihad is universal, and relentless. And you are on its list.

    So this Christmas, may all of us whose conversion, subjugation, or death is envisioned by the adherents of Sharia stand together. Let us stand together as Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, secularists, what have you, and stand up against those who would kill us or subject us to institutionalized discrimination and harassment (at best) because they find our beliefs offensive.

    For be assured: if we do not stand together, they will prevail. And if they prevail, then all the richest manifestations of the unfettered human spirit, from the Hagia Sophia to the temple of mausoleums of Timbuktu, from the works of Socrates and Aristotle to those of Confucius and Moses Maimonides and Dante Alighieri and Winston Churchill and Oriana Fallaci, will be trampled into the mud, destroyed, exploded, ruined, effaced. We will all be the poorer. Our children will be the poorer.

    It is time to fight for our lives.

    Merry Christmas!

  20. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:32 pm 

    That is a comforting suggestion clogg.

    But we all know who is the king of the jungle.

    And Russia and China won’t do shit. Total paper tigers.

  21. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:50 pm 

    I love the smell of oil wars in the morning!

    Get Iran’s oil and gas!

  22. trashy on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:52 pm 

    idiot:

    full woke supremacist muzzies jerk maximum low English i love cats i love every kind of cats i want to hugs cats but i cant hug all cats so anyway im a cats lover and i love to run sry im being emotional im thinking about cats again said Today we celebrate (((supremetard))) birthday If i…

  23. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 7:19 pm 

    UK will not rule out military strike on Iran amid rising tensions after Soleimani, says defence secretary

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/iran-uk-air-strike-trump-drone-attack-qasem-soleimani-a4328931.html

  24. Davy Sock Puppet on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 7:40 pm 

    full woke supremacist muzzies jerk maximum low English i love cats i love every kind of cats i want to hugs cats but i cant hug all cats so anyway im a cats lover and i love to run sry im being emotional im thinking about cats again on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 6:29 pm

  25. full woke supremacist muzzies jerk maximum low English i love cats i love every kind of cats i want to hugs cats but i cant hug all cats so anyway im a cats lover and i love to run sry im being emotional im thinking about cats again on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 8:00 pm 

    i work for supertard madcat

  26. Davy Sock Puppet on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 8:40 pm 

    full woke supremacist muzzies jerk maximum low English i love cats i love every kind of cats i want to hugs cats but i cant hug all cats so anyway im a cats lover and i love to run sry im being emotional im thinking about cats again on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 8:00 pm

  27. makati1 on Tue, 7th Jan 2020 11:59 pm 

    MOB, Russia and China don’t have to do anything but wait. The US is imploding faster every day. Not one real positive news item from Amerika.

    Meanwhile, Russia is selling its S400 antimissile systems to all of the ME countries and selling oil and NG to the EU. Its system actually work and are cheaper than Amerikan junk.

    China is buying Africa and building pipelines to Russia for oil and NG. And setting up supply lines in South America to bypass American farm products. Not to mention passing the US in every way, economically, technically and planning.

    The ASEAN countries are moving forward with ~6% GDP increases annually while the US has to lie and print toilet paper to get 2%. This is the place to be for the 2020s, not the fascist, warmongering, dying police state called “Amerika”.

    Invest in body bags. The US is going to need a lot of them this decade.

  28. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 12:17 am 

    “If it’s a Boeing, I’m not going”

    Another B737 crashed with everybody in it killed.

    https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/iran-plane-crash-live-intl-hnk/index.html

    “Ukrainian Boeing plane crashes in Iran, 176 people dead”

    Paul Craig Roberts: the US will be a third world country by 2024. Those kinda cuntries don’t have aviation industries.

  29. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 12:35 am 

    “By denying Iran’s foreign minister visa for Security Council visit, America has lost moral right to serve as home for UN“

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/477668-move-un-embassy-iran/

    Exactly right! Eurasia should withdraw from the UN and start all over again in a small neutral country in the middle of Eurasia, like Kazakhstan. Eurasia is the center of the world, not Jew York Shitty.

    We need a new charter for a truly multi-polar world rather than one for the (((oligarchs))).

  30. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 12:56 am 

    “Ukrainian Airlines Boeing 737 with 176 aboard crashes in Tehran hours after Iran’s attack on US bases – sparking speculation it has been accidentally shot down as video shows plane in flames BEFORE hitting ground”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7863359/Ukrainian-passenger-plane-carrying-180-people-crashes-near-Tehran-local-media.html

    BS. Disaster plane B737 can catch fire by merely looking at it.

  31. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 1:11 am 

    Post your address cloggo and I will send you a FREE, open ticket on a 737 to anywhere in the world you’d like to go. Want to go the Middle East to watch Putin and the Mad Mullahs get destroyed? Paid for. FREE! Maybe you would like a trip to Ukraine to see Putin’s mercenaries get defeated. Anywhere you want to go cloggo.

    You like free things don’t you cloggo? Sorry, coach only though. Since it will probably be your last trip ever, no point in spending too much on you. Just put your mailing address up and Ill get that ticket send out to you asap.

  32. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 2:33 am 

    30 US soldiers killed in Iraq ballistic missile attacks.

    NUKE IRAN! AND TAKE THE OIL! AND SHOW PUTIN AND CHINA WHO IS THE BOSS!

    EUROPE ALREADY KNOWS WHO THEIR DADDY IS!

  33. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 4:02 am 

    “And Russia and China won’t do shit. Total paper tigers.”

    Russia… Russia… you mean that country that kicked your sorry ass in Syria? THAT Russia?

    ROFL

    https://www.rt.com/news/477670-putin-christmas-damascus-church-mosque/

    We’ve got a new chief in town, the greatest statesman in the world today. Oh, and he is European. Move over Hillbilly!

    One is reminded of what the great neocon Michael Ledeen once said:

    “Every ten years or so, Europe needs to pick up some small crappy little jew and throw him against the wall, just to show the world we mean business”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen

    Oh wait, he didn’t say that. After all he is a jew himself, silly me. No, what he DID say was:

    “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business”

    One can only wonder which countries he actually meant? Korea? Vietnam? Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Libya?

    ROFL

    After these 6 “smashing successes”, the US is now going to try its luck with a far bigger country, a country of 80 million, each of which are willing to commit suicide in a Holy War.

    Come on mobby, post us again these pictures of fat whitey, you hate so much as a kike, with whom you plan to win the war.

    Look, I have no trouble believing that the US can and will fire missiles against these famous “command and control centers” in Eyeran, causing the rubes at home to cheer (MAGA!). But defeating? Occupying Tehran? No way!

    You should view things geopolitical. The best thing Iran can do is disrupt oil flow in the Gulf. All they need to do is sink one or more oil tankers, preferable empty, otherwise they are stuck with the mess.

    That will cut off oil to Europe and China, who both will not be amused, much unlike Russia. There is no way the US can hold up sanctions against North Stream. Expect South Stream to be built in record time as well (by Dutch Allseas, the pipes are already waiting in Varna-Bulgaria). That means that Europe’s oil and gas billions are diverted from the Gulf to Mother Russia, severely limiting the options the US European vassals have vis-a-vis Russia. And then there is Brexit.

    If this happens, the boundaries of WW3 are defined: Eurasia against Anglosphere.

    Interesting times!

  34. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 4:15 am 

    “Post your address cloggo and I will send you a FREE, open ticket on a 737 to anywhere in the world you’d like to go.”

    Heinrich Himmler
    Auschwitzlaan 88
    Hitlerdorf
    Nederland

    I want a ticket to Auschwitz for a couple of good laughs. Just kidding. If it’s a Boeing, I’m not going.

    “30 US soldiers killed in Iraq ballistic missile attacks.”

    Shit, only 30?

    Doesn’t matter. Donnie has already announced he will retaliate. He can’t afford to look weak. The more escalation, the better.

  35. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 4:19 am 

    Australia on fire, climate change or arson (or both)?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7860635/Australian-bushfire-crisis-183-people-arrested-24-charged-starting-fires.html

    “‘Arson is not caused by climate change’: Row breaks out over real cause of Australia’s bushfires after it emerges more than 180 people have been arrested for starting them”

    I would love to see pictures of these arsonists. I already have an hypothesis about how the majority looks like, but first verify before falsely accusing anybody.

  36. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 4:24 am 

    Oopsie, these weren’t just shabby Ukrainians on a cheap holiday to the Iranian Riviera (do they have one?), but many precious Anglos:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7863359/Ukrainian-passenger-plane-carrying-180-people-crashes-near-Tehran-local-media.html

    “Three Britons and 63 Canadians are among 176 people killed when Ukrainian Airlines Boeing 737 crashes in Tehran hours after Iranian attack on US missile bases”

  37. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 4:26 am 

    “The Ukrainian foreign ministry later revealed there were 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians and three Britons on flight PS752, along with 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans and four Germans.”

    Unlikely an Iranian act of sabotage. Just another B737, yawn.

  38. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 4:37 am 

    However, the Ukrainian embassy (Clogg: US buddies) in Tehran reported that the crash had been caused by an engine failure rather than terrorism or a missile attack.

    Iranian officials said the pilot had lost control of the Boeing jet after a fire struck one of the plane’s engines, but said the crew had not reported an emergency and did not say what caused the fire.

    The Boeing plane was less than four years old and had been checked just two days earlier, with ‘one of our best crews’ manning the aircraft, a Ukrainian airline official said.

    The B737 should be grounded world-wide, not just the Mad Max. Probably designed by a “diverse, inclusive team”. Affirmative action plane. No child left behind. Perhaps even female designers, I’m not making this up.

  39. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 4:48 am 

    Clogg

    Kicked our ass in Syria? Say what?

    Putin said he would defend Syria and then Trump attacked it with missiles and Putin didn’t do shit.

    Just like you. All bark..

  40. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 5:01 am 

    “30 US soldiers killed in Iraq ballistic missile attacks.”

    Our lying, anti-white kike I AM THE MOB “forgot” to post the source, here it is:

    https://twitter.com/TheBrandonMorse/status/1214729629765971968

    Iran says: 30 killed (how do they know that, counted them personally under the eyes of benevolent US onlookers?)
    US says: no casualties

    Both have zero credibility, but my respect for Islamic missile technology is limited, very limited.

    I would bet the US could be right for a change. Not that Trump has any incentive for an all out war. It could cost him the presidency-2020. Perhaps this was a wag-the-dog stunt to divert attention away from the impeachment circus.

  41. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 5:05 am 

    “Kicked our ass in Syria? Say what?”

    Don’t believe me, I might be an anti-American neo-natzi, the ADL has warned you so much about. Take it from your own buddies:

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/10/18/the-us-no-longer-matters-in-syria/

    The US no longer matters in Syria

    ROFL

    Imbecile.

  42. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 5:08 am 

    American humor:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENuzRdOWoAAPooC.jpg:large

  43. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 5:16 am 

    Iran not done yet:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7862453/Multiple-rockets-hit-Taji-military-base-Iraq-American-British-troops-based.html

    “Trump tweets ‘all is well’ as casualties are assessed after Iran fires 22 ballistic missiles in operation ‘Martyr Soleimani’ at two US bases in Iraq – as Ayatollah boasts of ‘slap in the face’ for America but warns the retaliation was ‘NOT ENOUGH'”

    I hope for ZERO casualties, but pulleeze Iran, give me ONE empty but SUNKEN oil tanker in the Gulf, just one, so we can terminate the West and Europe has the excuse to swap the Gulf for Russia as the main oil and gas supplier and lay the foundations for Paris-Berlin-Moscow as the new core of the white race and with 640 million and nuclear armed to the teeth take over from Washington after they committed racial suicide on orders of I AM THE MOBs tribe:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2018/05/21/european-america-is-over/

    “European-America is Over”

  44. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 5:33 am 

    Different, deescalating tone from Iran:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7863489/Irans-foreign-minister-insists-dont-want-war-missile-strikes.html

    “‘We do not seek escalation or war’: Iran’s foreign minister says it has ‘concluded’ retaliation after Tehran targets US troops in missile attacks as Trump tweets ‘all is well’ and says he will deliver statement today”

  45. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 5:40 am 

    “Erdogan’s dangerous neo-Ottomanism”:

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/libyen-buergerkrieg-recep-tayyip-erdogans-gefaehrliches-abenteuer-a-ff6f5b4d-82be-44a7-8380-875ff4e24017

    Erdogan has sent troops to Libya.

    Far more interesting than Libya is a potential deal he could make with Iran about a reordering of the entire Middle-East, at the cost of the US, as in: complete removal. Iran gets East and South-Iraq as client state, incl. Baghdad, where Turkey gets a corridor in western Iraq (IS-territory) towards KSA. Iran gets the Shiite majority bordering the Gulf, Turkey gets the rest of KSA as client state. Similar partition of Oman and Yemen.

    Russia wouldn’t mind.

    Ottoman empire 2.0 = Sunni Islamic EU, with Turkey in the role of Germany.

  46. Davy on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 6:49 am 

    “Far more interesting than Libya is a potential deal he could make with Iran about a reordering of the entire Middle-East, at the cost of the US, as in: complete removal. Iran gets East and South-Iraq as client state, incl. Baghdad, where Turkey gets a corridor in western Iraq (IS-territory) towards KSA. Iran gets the Shiite majority bordering the Gulf, Turkey gets the rest of KSA as client state. Similar partition of Oman and Yemen.”

    OH dear, the cloggo is jumping into his Anglo derangement fantasy by digital gaming. He thinks this reality is like some of these games kids play on Xbox. Every event that happens the cloggo embellishes and pumps up to be the dramatic end of the status quo towards his golden Eurasian era. What always happens is cloggo’s new world order crashes on landing in reality. He hyped Brexit for 3 years with fantastic outcomes. Now it is the removal of the US from the middle east by two states that are economically close to collapse and both that are dictatorial Muslim states gone rouge. You can call the US rouge but it has a softer side too that is too big to fail. You are not going to eliminate the US like the cloggo does with his fantasy reorganization of the world into his Eurocentric new world order. His PBM is still fantasy. His grand Euro Army nowhere. His economic situation horrible. His renewable revolution stagnating with physical and economic realities. Cloggo is a digital creature. He can do this shit digitally with his WordPress of carefully constructed facts that he employs as lies. If he had to do his preaching in real life, he would be on the street corner like wackos do parading the end of the world.

  47. Cloggie on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 7:54 am 

    Wow, empire dave finally inserted some carriage returns in his prose to make it more readable!

    /hattip

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7864005/Boris-Johnson-braces-showdown-EU-chief-Ursula-von-der-Leyen-No10.html

    “The EU and UK will still be best friends but things will never be the same’: EU chief Ursula von der Leyen warns Boris Johnson ‘of tough talks ahead’ as she says it will be IMPOSSIBLE to strike a full post-Brexit trade deal by end of this year.”

    The EU has no interest in a deal but can’t say that openly. What the EU should and will do is set an example with Britain of what happens to a countey that “escapes Europe”. The EU will quietly sabotage the negotiations and push an empoverished Britain into US orbit, team up with Macron’s very European Russia and abandon Macron’s “braindead NATO”.

    Together with the New Silk Road and alliance Russia-China, the battle lines will have been drawn.

    And then there is the very interesting North-American white nationalism phenomenon, that could be exploited by PBM to the hilt.

    Geopolitically I haven’t been so upbeat in my entire life. Finally my student years dream about a European renaissance are finally becoming reality!

  48. jonno on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 7:58 am 

    all you muslims will be killed

  49. Davy on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 8:16 am 

    “Wow, empire dave finally inserted some carriage returns in his prose to make it more readable!”

    normally I don’t to save space when I have to generate long comments to moderate and neuter your puke.

  50. Sissyfuss on Wed, 8th Jan 2020 9:15 am 

    Clogderfuse, they were rockets, not missiles. Much less accurate. And the story is that the US forces had a 3 hour heads up about the impending attack. The Iranians are a most polite cadre of jihadists.

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