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Trump says Iran made ‘big mistake’ by taking down US drone

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President Donald Trump declared Thursday that “Iran made a very big mistake” by shooting down a U.S. surveillance drone over the Strait of Hormuz but suggested it was a foolish error rather than an intentional escalation of the tensions that have led to rising fears of open military conflict.

Asked about a U.S. response, the president said pointedly, “You’ll soon find out.”

The downing of the huge, unmanned aircraft , which Iran portrayed as a deliberate defense of its territory rather than a mistake, was a stark reminder of the risk of military conflict between U.S. and Iranian forces as the Trump administration combines a “maximum pressure” campaign of economic sanctions against Iran with a buildup of American forces in the region.

On Thursday, Iran called the sanctions “economic terrorism,” insisted the drone had invaded its airspace and said it was taking its case to the United Nations in an effort to prove the U.S. was lying about the aircraft being over international waters. It accused the U.S. of “a very dangerous and provocative act.”

The drone — which has a wingspan wider than a Boeing 737 — entered Iranian airspace “despite repeated radio warnings” and was shot down by Iran, acting under the U.N. Charter which allows self-defense action “if an armed attack occurs,” Iran’s U.N. Ambassador Majid Takht Ravanchi said in a letter to the U.N. secretary-general.

Donald Trump is playing down Iran's downing of an American drone, saying that it might have been a mistake executed by someone just being "loose and stupid." He said it was a "new wrinkle" in escalating tensions between the U.S. and Iran. (June 20)

Trump, who has said he wants to avoid war and negotiate with Iran over its nuclear ambitions, appeared to play down the significance of the shootdown.

He cast it as “a new wrinkle … a new fly in the ointment.” Yet he also said that “this country will not stand for it, that I can tell you.”

Shortly before Trump spoke, Air Force Lt. Gen. Joseph Guastella, commander of U.S. Central Command air forces in the region, took a more pointed view of the shootdown in an area where Trump has blamed Iran for attacking shipping vessels.

“This attack is an attempt to disrupt our ability to monitor the area following recent threats to international shipping and free flow of commerce,” he said.

The Trump administration has been putting increasing economic pressure on Iran for more than a year. It reinstated punishing sanctions following Trump’s decision to pull the U.S. out of an international agreement intended to limit Iran’s nuclear program in exchange for relief from earlier sanctions.

The other world powers who remain signed on to the nuclear deal have set a meeting to discuss the U.S. withdrawal and Iran’s announced plans to increase its uranium stockpile for June 28, a date far enough in the future to perhaps allow tensions to cool.

Citing Iranian threats, the U.S. recently sent an aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf region and deployed additional troops alongside the tens of thousands already there. All this has raised fears that a miscalculation or further rise in tensions could push the U.S. and Iran into an open conflict 40 years after Tehran’s Islamic Revolution.

“We do not have any intention for war with any country, but we are fully ready for war,” Revolutionary Guard commander Gen. Hossein Salami said in a televised address.

The paramilitary Guard, which answers only to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said it shot down the drone at 4:05 a.m. Thursday when it entered Iranian airspace near the Kouhmobarak district in southern Iran’s Hormozgan province. Kouhmobarak is about 1,200 kilometers (750 miles) southeast of Tehran.

The first U.S. reaction was Trump’s Thursday morning tweet of six forceful words: “Iran made a very big mistake.”

But later, while meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Trump said, “I would imagine it was a general or somebody that made a mistake in shooting that drone down.”

He said the American drone was unarmed and unmanned and “clearly over international waters.” It would have “made a big, big difference” if someone had been inside, he said.

“I find it hard to believe it was intentional, if you want to know the truth,” Trump said. “I think that it could have been somebody who was loose and stupid that did it.”

Taking issue with the U.S. version of where the attack occurred, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif tweeted that his country had retrieved sections of the military drone “in OUR territorial waters where it was shot down.” He said, “We don’t seek war but will zealously defend our skies, land & waters.”

U.S. Gen. Guastella disputed that contention, telling reporters that the aircraft was 34 kilometers (21 miles) from the nearest Iranian territory and flying at high altitude when struck by a surface-to-air missile. The U.S. military has not commented on the mission of the remotely piloted aircraft that can fly higher than 10 miles in altitude and stay in the air for over 24 hours at a time.

One U.S. official said there was a second American aircraft in the area that was able to get video and imagery of the drone when it was shot down.

Congressional leaders came to the White House for an hour-long briefing in the Situation Room late Thursday with top national security officials including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, CIA Director Gina Haspel, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Joseph Dunford acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan and Army Secretary Mark Esper, whom Trump has said he’ll nominate as Pentagon chief.

The Senate’s top Democrat called the downing of the American drone “deeply concerning” and accused the administration of not having an Iran strategy and keeping Congress and the rest of the nation in the dark.

“The president needs to explain to the American people why he’s driving us toward another endless conflict in the Middle East,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she didn’t think Trump wanted war with Iran and the American people have “no appetite” for it either. She said the U.S. needs to be “strong and strategic” about protecting its interests but “cannot be reckless.”

Talking tougher, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina called Iran a “murderous regime” and said, “If they’re itching for a fight they’re going to get one.”

“We’re a lot closer today than we were yesterday, and only God knows what tomorrow brings,” said Graham, a Trump ally who talked with the president by telephone.

The senator also focused on the issue of Iran’s nuclear ambitions, saying its leaders have refused to negotiate after Trump withdrew the U.S. from the international agreement to limit Iranian development of nuclear weapons.

Graham said it’s imperative that the U.S. clearly tell the Iranians that any attempt to increase uranium enrichment will be seen as a “hostile act against the United States and our allies in Israel and will not go unanswered.”

Another factor: This all comes as Trump is launching his re-election campaign. He ran for president promising to bring American troops home from the Middle East and Afghanistan and has repeatedly said he wants to keep America out of “endless wars.”

Ari Fleischer, who was press secretary for President George W. Bush, cautioned against thinking about politics when weighing any response to Iran.

“I suspect a successful limited counter-strike, such as taking out the missile battery that fired at the drone or the sinking of an unmanned Iranian vessel, would be seen as a well-calibrated show of resolve and discipline,” Fleischer said in an interview. He added that “if we do nothing, Iran may strike again thinking it has impunity.”

AP



45 Comments on "Trump says Iran made ‘big mistake’ by taking down US drone"

  1. Chrome Mags on Thu, 20th Jun 2019 8:32 pm 

    So far Trump has come across like the blowhard kid in high school that backed down when confronted when someone called him out. So far with NK and now Iran, it’s all talk and no bite.

  2. Cloggie on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 2:06 am 

    Damn, missed opportunity, next time better:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7164843/Iran-says-downed-US-drone-recovered-territorial-waters.html

    “President ‘approved military strike against Iran in retaliation for downing US drone but PULLED BACK last minute – against the advice of aides – as planes were in air and battleships in position'”

    As a European green white nationalist (and hence per definition anti-Washington/anti-Anglo), you want to see hostilities started in the Gulf that completely disrupt the world economy, by halting oil flowing from the Gulf to Europe, India, Japan and China and as such create an openly anti-Anglo anger in Eurasia. The price of Russian oil will go through the roof, while the pro-US multicult regimes in Europe will be forced to turn to Russia for its 300 euro oil, cementing the power position of Putin, the last hope of the white race. Russia will become the leader of Eurasia with its anti-American resistance. Next Eurasia will retaliate against the Anglos by hurting its business interests everywhere: the use dollar forbidden, Amazon, credit cards, Microsoft (Linux is European, free and better), Tesla, that new global Facebook (((Libra money))), banned. Expect a run in renewable energy in both Europe and China.

    The Brexit split with the UK will be brutal and the country put in quarantine and put at the mercy of the US for everything, including oil. US and UK troops need to run for their lives and flee from Germany and elsewhere in Europe. The Channel will become the new Iron Curtain and the desired WW3 will be a fact, the war between Eurasia vs the kikes and their Anglos.

    But apparently Donnie has no stomach for that.

  3. Davy on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 4:55 am 

    As a European (fake) green white nationalist.

    There corrected that.

  4. Cloggie on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 5:00 am 

    Latest from Brussels: party leaders in EU parliament unlikely to become next EU chieftain. This leaves Barnier, Merkel or a third “outsider” like IMF queen Lagarde as most credible candidates:

    https://m.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/eu-gipfel-angela-merkel-macht-manfred-weber-kaum-noch-hoffnung-auf-topjob-a-1273534.html

    I pray for Gaullist Barnier.

  5. Davy on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 5:47 am 

    “Next Eurasia will retaliate against the Anglos by hurting its business interests everywhere: the use dollar forbidden, Amazon, credit cards, Microsoft (Linux is European, free and better), Tesla, that new global Facebook (((Libra money))), banned. Expect a run in renewable energy in both Europe and China.”

    Clogo does not go into the consequences of banning Americana. He fails to elaborate on renewables also.
    “Visualizing The World’s 100 Most Valuable Brands In 2019”
    https://tinyurl.com/y4trahvj visual capitalist

    Europa’s renewable effort is stalling and the rest of the world including the US is increasing.
    “Three countries are leading the renewable energy revolution”
    https://tinyurl.com/y68vpm9s world economic forum

    “The top three Among the top three nations, China is the undisputed renewable growth leader, accounting for over 40% of the total global clean energy mix by 2022. This is due to meeting various capacity targets and addressing concerns about the country’s air pollution…China has also already surpassed its 2020 solar panel target, and the IEA says it expects the country to exceed its wind target in 2019. China is also the global market leader in hydropower, bioenergy for electricity and heat, and electric vehicles.”

    “Perhaps surprisingly, the United States is the second-largest growth market for renewables. Despite President Donald Trump’s decision to pull out of the Paris Agreement, renewable projects in the US are expected to benefit from multi-year federal tax incentives and state-level policies for distributed solar panels in the coming years.”

    “India overtakes the European Union In India, meanwhile, renewable capacity is expected to more than double by 2022. Solar and wind represent 90% of India’s capacity growth, which is the result of auctions for contracts to develop power-generation capacity that have yielded some of the world’s lowest prices for both technologies, the report says. It adds that India has also improved grid integration and addressed the financial issues of its utilities. Because of these factors, India’s growth between now and 2022 is, for the first time, expected to be higher than in the European Union (EU). Incidentally, renewables growth across the EU is 40% lower than between 2011 and 2016, with the market hampered by weaker electricity demand, overcapacity, and a lack of clarity on the capacity volumes that will be auctioned. What’s more, policy uncertainty within the bloc beyond 2020 remains high.”

  6. Davy on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 6:06 am 

    “Forget Moore’s Law — Quantum Computers Are Improving According to a Spooky ‘Doubly Exponential Rate”
    https://tinyurl.com/y38hv3kn live science

    So, what exactly is Neven’s Law? Named after Hartmut Neven, the director of the Quantum Artificial Intelligence Lab at Google who first noticed the phenomenon, the law dictates how quickly quantum processors are improving, or getting faster at processing calculations, relative to regular computers. And it turns out, they’re gaining on ordinary computers at a spookily fast, “doubly exponential rate.” That means that processing power grows by a factor of 2^2^1 (4), then 2^2^2 (16), then 2^2^3 (256), then 2^2^4 (65,536), and so on. You can see that the numbers get mind-bogglingly huge very, very fast. Doubly-exponential growth is so huge, it’s hard to find anything that grows so quickly in the natural world, according to Quanta. “It looks like nothing is happening, nothing is happening, and then whoops, suddenly you’re in a different world,” Neven told Quanta’s Kevin Hartnett. “That’s what we’re experiencing here.”

  7. Cloggie on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 7:20 am 

    Renewable electricity ranking 2018

    Scotland 74%
    Portugal 55%
    Spain 46%
    Denmark 43%
    Germany 42%
    China 38%
    EU 32%
    UK 30%
    Italy 20%

    USA 15%

    Europe is “stalling” because storage can no longer be ignored and because the grid needs to be expanded/renewed.

    Will be a temporary issue.

  8. Davy on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 8:00 am 

    “Renewable electricity ranking 2018”
    China 38%
    EU 32%
    USA 15%
    Cloggo, do you have a link that presents the whole picture? How about giving us the wind and solar component in regards to primary energy and get back to me. Wind and solar is where the real growth will have to be.

  9. Duncan Idaho on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 9:58 am 

    The Fat Boy backed down.
    He had no choice, as the world economy would be in as many flames as the Middle East.
    A 6 times bankrupt scammer from Queens might not be the best “leader”?

  10. Sissyfuss on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 10:09 am 

    Chickenhawk Graham tries to goad the human bonespur into initiating world immolation to prove CHs zhehood. Maybe it’s the irritation of CHs bonerspurs that makes him/her so irascible and eager to show his leadership in all things gender anomalous.

  11. Antius on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 10:37 am 

    Cloggie quickly forgets inconvenient technical details. He ignores them because they don’t say what he wants to hear. Here are a few:

    (1)Scotland is a small region of 5.5million people within a much larger UK grid (nearly 70million) and is able to dump intermittent energy onto that grid thank to the presence of gas turbines across the UK. It is therefore highly misleading to hold it up as some sort of example of how easy this will be for Europe as a whole to transition to renewable energy. It is like taking a single county within a country that happens to host a big hydroelectric dam and claiming that it makes that county 100% renewable, when in reality most of the power used by the country it is embedded in is generated by other means.

    (2) The cost, inefficiency and embodied energy problems of storage on a sufficient scale for a seamless transition to renewable energy under present usage patterns, render it poorly affordable as a replacement for fossil fuels at a whole systems level at present per capita energy consumption levels. I have performed calculations here time and time again that demonstrate this inconvenient fact. Gail Tverberg has reached the same conclusion and it is now being demonstrated empirically in EU countries.

    What is the point of talking about a renewable energy revolution if you aren’t prepared to be honest about the difficulties and challenges? The truth is that any large scale transition to renewable energy requires a more rooted and far less affluent way of life. Our entire way of life needs to change to fit the reality of living on generally more expensive and intermittent energy, whose ultimate supply is limited by geographical restraints and low power density.

  12. Cloggie on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 12:53 pm 

    Cloggie quickly forgets inconvenient technical details. He ignores them because they don’t say what he wants to hear.

    If Antius would to reread this thread that he will verify that I brought these figures up, not to claim that all renewable energy problems are solved, but to make a mockery of the suggestion made by empire dave that somehow the renewable energy policy of Europe was failing.

    About Scotland being renewable energy champ thank to buffer England, we already discussed that and I agreed. Denmark same story. Dutch owners of hyper efficient gas turbine power stations are regularly fuming of anger because they are forced by law to switch off their expensive machinery because Germany once again is pumping its excess renewable electricity over the border.

    The cost, inefficiency and embodied energy problems of storage on a sufficient scale for a seamless transition to renewable energy under present usage patterns, render it poorly affordable as a replacement for fossil fuels at a whole systems level at present per capita energy consumption levels. I have performed calculations here time and time again that demonstrate this inconvenient fact. Gail Tverberg has reached the same conclusion and it is now being demonstrated empirically in EU countries.

    The entire world and his mother are currently frantically busy bringing storage prices down. The number of leads is virtually endless. For the short term: pumped hydro is time tested and comes with high efficiency. There is still quite a lot of potential in Norway and Scotland.

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/11/19/world-record-pumped-hydro-storage-for-scotland/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/norway-wants-to-become-europes-battery/

    The real challenge is seasonal storage, a solution for which will probably found in chemical storage. Power-2-gas, metal powder, hydrogen-bromide, flow batteries of the scale of an entire lake:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/04/03/energie-eiland-in-de-westerschelde/

    I’m pretty certain good-ol Gail doesn’t have a clue about the technical side of storage, only the money side. She missed the boat with that “peal oil” superstition, she is missing the boat with storage. Her problem.

    And again, with the renewable energy transition, the fuel comes for free, ad infinitum.

    The EROI of wind turbines becomes better with every block of 30 years, when a wind tower no longer has to be constructed from iron ore from far-away Australia, but from a recycled old tower, pulled out of the mud, at only 10% of the energy cost.

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/14/nuon-dismantles-offshore-wind-farm-in-the-netherlands/

  13. JuanP on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 2:05 pm 

    China Hit By “Significant Banking Stress” As SHIBOR Plummets To Recession Levels
    It’s probably not a coincidence that just days after we reported that China’s interbank market was freezing up in the aftermath of the Baoshang Bank collapse and subsequent seizure, which led to a surge in interbank repo rates and a spike in Negotiable Certificates of Deposit (NCD) rates…… that Beijing is doing everything in its power to keep liquidity flowing within the world’s largest, ~$40 trillion, financial system.Case in point: China’s overnight SHIBOR lending rate tumbled overnight, sliding from 1.253%, and 1.924% a week ago, to just 1.11% today. This, as Commodore Research points out, marks the lowest level seen since June 12, 2015.In fact, the only other time this decade that SHIBOR rates fell to such a low level was back in 2015 (which was a period when China was likely undergoing a recession). Prior to 2015, the previous time that SHIBOR rates fell to 1.11% (or lower) was during the global financial crisis in 2008/2009.As Commodore further notes, “there recently has remained talk of liquidity problems and banking fears in China (and these concerns have only grown since the Baoshang Bank failure in May). Low SHIBOR lending rates are supportive and accommodative in nature — but rates sitting at rare multi-year lows are likely an indication that China is facing significant banking stress at the moment.”The report’s conclusion: “It is very rare for the overnight SHIBOR lending rate to be set as low as 1.11%.”Meanwhile, as the world’s biggest financial time bomb ticks ever louder, traders and analysts are blissfully oblivious, focusing instead on central banks admitting that the recession is imminent and trying to spin how a world war with Iran would be bullish for stocks.

  14. JuanP on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 2:07 pm 

    Dumbass Chinese are losing control and taking the rest of us with them. Oh, forgot, that was from zero hedge my go to.

  15. Cloggie on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 2:18 pm 

    “The only one who can defeat Boris is Boris himself”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7168315/Police-called-flat-Boris-Johnson-shares-Carrie-Symonds.html

    “Police are called to flat Boris Johnson shares with Carrie Symonds over reports of ‘screaming, shouting and banging’”

  16. Cloggie on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 2:26 pm 

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

    “The neighbour said they recorded the altercation from inside their flat out of concern for Symonds. On the recording, heard by the Guardian, Johnson can be heard refusing to leave the flat and telling Symonds to “get off my fucking laptop” before there is a loud crashing noise.

    Symonds is heard saying Johnson had ruined a sofa with red wine: “You just don’t care for anything because you’re spoilt. You have no care for money or anything.”

    The neighbour said: “There was a smashing sound of what sounded like plates. There was a couple of very loud screams that I’m certain were Carrie and she was shouting to ‘get out’ a lot. She was saying ‘get out of my flat’ and he was saying no. And then there was silence after the screaming. My partner, who was in bed half asleep, had heard a loud bang and the house shook.””

    Oh dear, it looks like I have to watch BBC Newsnight again tonight.

  17. Cloggie on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 2:29 pm 

    Next week potentially dangerous heatwave in Europe, up to 40C:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/21/continental-europe-braced-for-potentially-dangerous-heatwave

  18. More Davy Identity Theft and Projections on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 2:41 pm 

    JuanP on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 2:05 pm

    JuanP on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 2:07 pm

    “Dumbass”

    “that was from zero hedge my go to.”

  19. Cloggie on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 4:18 pm 

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7168479/Two-divorces-lovechild-mistress-scorned-Boris-Johnsons-complicated-romantic-history.html

    The philandering MP [BoJo] embarked on at least five extra-marital flings and got at least two of his mistresses pregnant.

    In 2016, Miss Wyatt said: ‘He is inordinately proud of his Turkish ancestry and his views on matters such as monogamy are decidedly Eastern.

    ‘I find it genuinely unreasonable that men should be confined to one woman,’ he has grumbled to me, and cannot understand the media’s reaction to his personal affairs.’

    Exactly what Britain needs, a self-identifying Turk running the country. We vividly remember what happened to Britain, not to mention Europe, when the leadership of the UK was outsourced to a half-American.

    What could possibly go wrong!

  20. Antius on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 4:52 pm 

    Boris Johnson is a well known narcissist, whose political ideals are dictated by personal ambition rather than love of country. The perfect puppet emperor. There are plenty of wealthy internationalist jews that have the means to buy this man and offer him his heart’s desire. A man without patriotism has no natural resistance to this sort of bribery. Not good days.

    Then again, Britain is a nation that spies on everyone; views patriots as dangerous extremists and homosexuals as natural born heroes. It is a country where the state is all powerful and little people are watched suspiciously and imprisoned for daring to express the wrong opinion.

    The country as it stands is openly totalitarian and not worth saving. My hope is that economic crisis will destroy the existing power structure, allowing it to be reborn as something better.

  21. Cloggie on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 4:55 pm 

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7167419/Love-Island-EXCLUSIVE-Anton-Danyluks-former-Naked-Butler-boss-tells-all.html

    Anton Danyluk’s former Naked Butler boss claims the Love Island contestant needed a few lessons about flirting when he first began the job.

    The 24-year-old reality star used to strip off for hen parties in his younger years, but was far from the confident joker viewers have seen in the Marcollan villa thus far.

    Brian Matthews, the owner of Bare All Entertainment, said: ‘I first met Anton when I modelled with him at a runway modelling gig for a 1920s theme shoot for Sonia Scott Agency in Glasgow.

    What could possibly be so right!

  22. Robert Inget on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 5:10 pm 

    US forces prepare to evacuate contractors from Iraqi base.

    US forces are preparing to evacuate hundreds of staff working for Lockheed Martin Corp and Sallyport Global from an Iraqi military base where they work as contractors, three Iraqi military sources said.

    Nearly 400 contractors from the two firms were getting ready to leave Balad military base north of Baghdad which hosts US forces over “potential security threats.”

    Their departure was imminent, the sources said.

    Last Update: Saturday, 22 June 2019 KSA 00:22 – GMT 21:22

  23. Robert Inget on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 5:15 pm 

    Congressional Republicans are peeved Trump managed to not destroy the world.

    I say, better luck next time.

  24. makati1 on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 10:21 pm 

    “Is Closing the Strait of Hormuz an Option?”

    “…shutting down the Strait of Hormuz would destroy the American economy by detonating the $1.2 quadrillion derivatives market; and that would collapse the world banking system, crushing the world’s $80 trillion GDP and causing an unprecedented depression.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/iran-goes-for-maximum-counter-pressure-is-closing-the-strait-of-hormuz-an-option/5681305

    “It could be a false flag. Or it could be because the Iranian government feels it’s going to be attacked and then sinks a cargo ship or two. What matters is the final result; any blocking of the energy flow will lead the price of oil to reach $200 a barrel, $500 or even, according to some Goldman Sachs projections, $1,000.”

    “Goldman Sachs has projected a feasible, possible $1,000 a barrel a few weeks after the Strait of Hormuz being shut down….It’s self-evident the world economy would collapse based on just that alone.”

    “Yet even before sparks start to fly, Iran could declare that the Persian Gulf is in a state of war; declare that the Strait of Hormuz is a war zone; and then ban all “hostile” military and civilian traffic in its half of the Strait. Without firing a single shot, no shipping company on the planet would have oil tankers transiting the Persian Gulf.”

    As I said before, Iran holds ALL the aces in this game.

  25. Cloggie on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 12:32 am 

    “As I said before, Iran holds ALL the aces in this game.”

    Indeed.

    And the US correctly will be blamed for this disaster by entire Eurasia. The fate of the US empire lies entirely in the hands of Persia and its SCO backers Russia and China.

    But again, a look at the map shows that oil from Iran and its clients states Iraq and Syria (thanks to neocon stupidity) can go through both the Caspian and Meditarreanean to Eurasia, for which new pipelines will need to be built, out of the reach of the Great Satan.

  26. Cloggie on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 2:07 am 

    “Cloggie on Fri, 21st Jun 2019 4:55 pm”

    Did not write that.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7168315/Police-called-flat-Boris-Johnson-shares-Carrie-Symonds.html

    “Police called to Boris and Carrie’s flat over ‘proper tear-up’: Johnson’s neighbours heard ‘plate-smashing, screaming row’ between PM-hopeful and his girlfriend as she yelled ‘get off me, get out’ and he shouted ‘get off my f***ing laptop'”

    Currently there are A LOT of people, both in the UK and Brussels, who quietly enjoy this little and rather insignificant drama.

    Insignificant because in any serious modern relationship, the Wedgwood is regularly used as flying saucers, just to make a point. Even BBC Newsnight anchor Kirsty Wark admitted yesterday that she regularly had domestic rows (we don’t want to know Kirsty).

    So Boris spilled some wine on Carrie’s precious sofa, she managed to keep tidy for a decade until Boris came along, prompting Carrie to say things that were on her lips for some time now, all the while sitting on Boris his laptop, preventing the Great Man from reading his latest poll numbers.

    Next he tries to “man-handle” her, by removing the gorgeous bitch from his laptop, which causes her to scream “get off me”.

    This was all registered by the neighbor, who was very well aware of who his neighbors are, and who happens to vote Green, Labour, LibDem or Tory Remain, smells his chance, fetches his iPhone and records the drama by pressing the iGadget against the paper thin wall, next calls the police, pretending to be concerned about the fate of the wannabee UK-flotus.

    When the police arrives at Carrie’s doorstep, the two very political ambitious love birds realize that they have gone too far and BOTH express convincingly that there is no need for concern (there isn’t) and the police withdraws.

    Next the neighbor contacts the Guardian, the most leftist newspaper in the country and offer them the scoop.

    This btw is unlikely to do any real harm to the political ambitions of the Clinton-2.0 couple. It just adds more “color” to the BoJo character.

  27. Theedrich on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 4:44 am 

    Hypersonic weapons give us perhaps another 5 years.  Then the “indispensable nation,” with its insatiable love of mongoloid idiots, will be finished.  For a clear explanation of these paradigm-changing weapons and their ominous portents, see the article “Scary Fast” at https://publicintegrity.org/national-security/future-of-warfare/hypersonic-weapons-race/How hypersonic missiles — which travel at more than 15 times the speed of sound — are touching off a new global arms race that threatens to change the nature of warfare.  A couple of extracts:

    “[Such] weapons could even suddenly pierce the steel decks of one of America’s 11 multibillion-dollar aircraft carriers, instantly stopping flight operations, a vulnerability that might eventually render the floating behemoths obsolete.  Hypersonic missiles are also ideal for waging a decapitation strike — assassinating a country’s top military or political officials.  ‘Instant leader-killers,’ a former Obama administration White House official, who asked not to be named, said in an interview.

    “[A] National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine report said in 2016 that hypersonics aren’t ‘simply evolutionary threats’ to the United States but could in the hands of enemies ‘challenge this nation’s tenets of global vigilance, reach and power.’

    “The arrival of such fast weaponry will dangerously compress the time during which military officials and their political leaders — in any country — can figure out the nature of an attack and make reasoned decisions about the wisdom and scope of defensive steps or retaliation.  And the threat that hypersonics pose to retaliatory weapons creates what scholars call ‘use it or lose it’ pressures on countries to strike first during a crisis.”

    Democracy was a form of government adapted to the need of a nation for massed armies extracted from its population in order to engage in war.  Today, hypersonics have completely leapfrogged that need.  Nowadays only a relatively small group of extremely high-IQ scientists, engineers and technicians, supported by a resource-rich government, is needed to wage war effectively.  Yet instead of preparing for such a future, our political system is becoming suicidally insane, with Democrats calling for freebies for everyone and a borderless paradise on earth, while some Republicans are calling for more regime-changes accomplished by military force.  This cacophony has aptly been termed “Crazyland” by James Kunstler, and is the automatic consequence of having a regime dependent on billionaires such as Georg Sörös and Yid media moguls.  Meanwhile, in the midst of all of this psychopathic chaos, and partly because of it, Russia and China are intensely worried that Yankeeland may attack them at any moment.

    And so, at the first sign of an American threat, no matter how unseriously meant, they are preparing to shoot first and ask questions later.

  28. Davy on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 4:52 am 

    “Iran And Trump On The Edge Of The Abyss”
    https://tinyurl.com/y3rssjzu ejmagnier

    “Moreover, Iran has established a joint operations room to inform all its allies in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Afghanistan of every step it is adopting in confronting the US in case of all-out war in the Middle East. Iran’s allies have increased their level of readiness and alert to the highest level; they will participate in the war from the moment it begins if necessary. According to sources, Iran’s allies will not hesitate to open fire against an already agreed on bank of objectives in a perfectly organised, orchestrated, synchronised and graduated response, anticipating a war that may last many months. Sources confirmed that, in case of war, Iran aims to stop the flow of oil from the Middle East completely, not by targeting tankers but by hitting the sources of oil in every single Middle Eastern country, whether these countries are considered allies or enemies. The objective will be to cease all oil exports from the Middle East to the rest of the world.”

    “It is Trump’s desire to avoid war that makes him susceptible to Iranian pressure. Trump will be in an even more critical position domestically if Iranian missiles target Middle Eastern oil. Iran is offering only two choices to the US President: end the embargo on Iranian oil or go to war. Sources acknowledge that the future is uncertain and potentially very dangerous for the region and the global economy, since Iran will definitely not stop in its plans to halt all oil tanker navigation if its own oil cannot be exported. Iran and the US are already at war economically. A way out of this crisis would be for Trump to close his eyes while allowing Europe to work to lift the economic pressure on Iran, without sanctioning the European companies concerned. Otherwise, there may be no escape from a regional and global catastrophe.”

  29. Davy on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 6:07 am 

    “Dr.Doom Warns Of Imminent Sino-American Bust-Up After G-20”
    https://tinyurl.com/y4ggxdlj napal 24 hours

    “Much, therefore, depends on whether the dispute does indeed evolve into a persistent state of economic and political conflict. In the short term, a planned meeting between US President Donald Trump and his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, at the G20 Summit in Osaka on June 28-29 is a key event to watch. A truce could leave tariffs frozen at the current level, while sparing the Chinese technology giant Huawei from the crippling sanctions that Trump has put forward; failure to reach an agreement could set off a progressive escalation, ultimately leading to the balkanization of the entire global economy.”

    “One possibility is that Trump and Xi will find a truce or modus vivendi in Osaka, paving the way for a negotiated settlement toward the end of this year. On the trade front, the US wants China to buy more American goods, reduce tariff and non-tariff barriers, open more financial and service sectors to foreign direct investment, and commit to maintaining currency stability and transparency with respect to foreign-exchange data…The second possibility is a full-scale trade, tech, and cold war within the next 6-12 months. In this scenario, the US and China would adopt rapidly diverging positions after failing to successfully restart negotiations (with or without a truce)… Finally, in the third scenario, China and the US would fail to reach a deal on trade and technology, but they would forego rapid escalation. Instead of plunging into a total trade and technology war, the two powers might ratchet up their conflict more gradually. The US would impose new tariffs, but keep them at 10%, while renewing only temporarily exemptions that allow Huawei and other Chinese firms to continue purchasing key US-made inputs, while retaining the option of pulling the plug on Huawei at its discretion.”

    “THE GOLDILOCKS OPTION…The third scenario is the most likely for now, because China is playing a waiting game until November 2020, to see if the US elects a more even-keeled president…… ISN’T REALLY AN OPTION…Because China and the US both know that they are in for a decades-long rivalry, they may well conclude that it is better not to risk a full-scale conflict and global recession in the short run. Only through proper preparation over the medium term can the two powers manage a long-term cold war and the de-globalization that will be necessary to protect their respective supply chains…THUCYDIDES RETURNS…Unfortunately, an even more likely course of events is that the third scenario – a managed trade and tech war, which is my baseline of how the rivalry will evolve over the next few months – would then devolve into the second (a full-scale confrontation).”

    “THE ART OF “NO DEAL”…Politically, then, it is much easier for China to take the long view, which is what Xi has done by announcing a “new Long March” In fact, it is possible that Xi actually wants a full-scale economic war as a means of damaging Trump’s re-election chances. A new Democratic president – even one who accepts the reality of a more contentious Sino-American rivalry – would almost certainly be a more constructive and honest broker for China to deal with. In the parlance of the foreign-policy establishment, Xi may see de facto escalation as the quickest route to regime change in the US…The danger is that Trump, too, would prefer a partial or full-scale trade and technology war to a weak deal. If Trump makes any notable concessions, he will be accused by both Democrats and right-wing pundits of appeasing China and betraying American blue-collar workers…SUMMIT SIGNALS…Where does that leave us? If both Xi and Trump find the third scenario attractive, neither will be willing to meet halfway on a deal. That makes the second scenario – a full-scale trade and technology war – the most likely outcome, given that a controlled escalation is inherently unstable.”

  30. Davy on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 6:11 am 

    I post this article because it is my opinion that deglobalization is now baked into the cake. This is both a response and a force of change that will drive a balkanized multipolar world on all levels. We will see the political, economic and military evolve quickly in the next months. The US and China will begin the destructive disentanglement of supply chains and business relationships. Financially this will mean increase pressure on the dollar as a global currency and likely end its dominance but not completely its power. The trickiest part will be the economic reset mainly because it is economics that underlies the political and the military. When the pain of a disrupted and a damaged global economy materializes as it surely will this will likely put pressure to precipitate drastic action.

    Like the Iran standoff this trade war is in its final escalation. This has to be the most dangerous time I have followed in regards to an escalation of the collapse process at least since the 08 great financial crisis. Even if Trump backs down on both fronts the damage is done. The global economy showed signs of debt induced issues even before these external shocks. The central banks still could manage this condition with even more of the same albeit with less resulting responses. In other worlds the financial status quo is slowly breaking down but still holds. Yet, now we have external shocks that cannot be managed by the central banks and this will be the big test. The test is something no pundit can predict. This test is can this highly productive global economy balkanize within a degree of stability. Can this happen without war.

    The answer is waiting for us. It will happen soon and likely in the next months before the US election. Trump may have ensured he is a one term president because this Iran deal and the trade war will surely end poorly for him. This is Trumps real trap. He kicked the Democrats ass with the Russian witch hunt and currently they are ridiculous with 20 idiot candidates running. Normally Trump would be a shoo-in but this situation is likely his end. If he swims out of this he is blessed. The Trump trap appears to be a Catch22 with no exit. The Trump trap idea is important because before we know it Trump may be gone and what is next? Trump falling on his sword may allow some kind of deal post-election but the damage will still be done. The issues exposed and positions hardened. The economy will likely have deteriorated further and with all the zombie companies and unsustainable debt the global economy we have all come to know, ruined. All the great economic powers will go deeper into their own version of managed economics to stave off economic disaster. This will likely mean more debt and more protectionism and considering where we are at.

    This is the final inescapable change to globalism. The dollar position in all this will likely end its role as global reserve currency. This will have dangerous changes to all other currencies because there really is no realistic alternative that is sound. Throw in some hot wars and we have extremely dangerous times. I would say we have finally closed in on that point of decline where there is an acceleration into something new. This something new will be less affluence and more turmoil. This is still not the end of the world because this may be just what the doctor ordered in the short and medium term. Degrowth is essential to manage our way to what one day will be a total collapse of the unsustainable status quo. If we can make it through this period the end may be pushed off further. Crisis has a way of making critical changes. On the other hand this may be the cascading end with brutal results.

  31. Cloggie on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 6:21 am 

    Here is good map that clearly illustrates the alternative options for Iran and its client state Iraq (thanks neocons!) to get oil and gas into China (via Caspian and Kazahkstan) and to Europe, via Caspian and Russia (if of course Europe behaves in a Russia-friendly fashion; don’t worry, they will):

    https://tinyurl.com/y4o6etby

    A real war in the Gulf would be a European + US white nationalist dream come true, with major green bonuses added to the mix:

    – it would drive Europe away from the US, straight into the arms of Russia (and China, a winning coalition)
    – it would force Europe to hasten the energy transition
    – it would be a major stimulus to abandon private car ownership and switch to shared driving:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/06/01/wind-powered-mobility-in-the-netherlands/

    – it would be a stimulus to finally get Macron’s Euro-army started
    – most women fired from their jobs so they can go home and have children

  32. JuanP on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 9:02 am 

    “Davy on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 8:22 am Oops, sorry everyone. Wrong links again.”

    My god juanpee, are you too stupid to comment on the articles? Intelligent people care about the articles not about you being triggered. I think you are the dumbest fuck on this board and this is the reason you behave like you do. You are a coward that lurks as a stalker stealing identities and playing with sock puppets. You have not made a real comment in months.

  33. More Davy Identity Theft on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 11:27 am 

    JuanP on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 9:02 am

  34. Davy on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 11:36 am 

    Oops, sorry for losing my shit again everyone. I always do that when I’m even the least bit triggered.

  35. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 7:18 pm 

    The Fat Boy caves again:

    Trump postpones nationwide immigration enforcement sweep

    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-delays-nationwide-operation-to-deport-14030564.php

  36. JuanP on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 7:34 pm 

    “Trump postpones nationwide immigration enforcement sweep”

    woo, I was worried I would be swept up too

  37. More Davy Identity Theft on Sun, 23rd Jun 2019 12:32 am 

    JuanP on Sat, 22nd Jun 2019 7:34 pm

    Woo woo!

  38. Davy on Sun, 23rd Jun 2019 1:12 am 

    WOO WOO!
    WOO WOO!

    JUANPEE JUANPEE!

    WOO WOO!
    WOO WOO!

  39. Gaia on Mon, 24th Jun 2019 5:17 pm 

    Iran acted in self-defence and defended its sovereignty.

  40. Cloggie on Tue, 25th Jun 2019 3:31 pm 

    The Global Hawk is a SPY drone. It doesn’t make sense to spy on neutral water.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7178285/Iran-says-maps-PROVE-American-drone-airspace-shot-down.html

    “Russia claims US drone WAS in Iranian airspace when it was shot down as Tehran says its maps ‘prove where the downing took place'”

    America-friendly British DM commenters:

    “If the drone entered Iran’s airspace they were within their rights to destroy it.”

    Pro 87
    Con 8

    “Wouldn’t be surprised – the US seems to be pressing for war – and just looking for ways to get it started.”

    Pro 391
    Con 54

    “The US economy is inextricably linked to the war economy.”

    Pro 60
    Con 10

    “The US will just dismiss this as fake and press on with whatever agenda they have got set. And the world will do nothing. America is the real danger to the world peace.”

    Pro 371
    Con 46

  41. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 25th Jun 2019 8:47 pm 

    Captain of Sea-Watch threatens to run Italy ‘blockade’

    The captain of the Sea-Watch 3 charity rescue vessel threatened Tuesday to enter Italian waters illegally to bring 42 migrants to shore
    https://www.france24.com/en/20190625-captain-sea-watch-threatens-run-italy-blockade

    Italy holds Netherlands, EU ‘responsible’ for migrant boat

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/italy-holds-netherlands-eu-responsible-for-migrant-boat

  42. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 26th Jun 2019 1:26 pm 

    Eric Trump says he was spit on at Chicago cocktail lounge

    https://www.chron.com/news/article/Eric-Trump-says-he-was-spit-on-at-Chicago-14050423.php?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=socialflow

  43. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 26th Jun 2019 2:41 pm 

    Reddit ‘Quarantines’ Pro-Trump Subreddit Over Anti-Police Threats

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/reddit-quarantines-pro-trump-subreddit-the_donald-over-anti-police-threats/

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