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The “Selling” of Degrowth

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Over the last three decades, a growing number of scientists and ecologists have argued that economic growth has long outstripped the capacity of the planetary ecosystem. They have developed numerous sophisticated models to demonstrate their point. They have boiled down the technical information—about the availability of mineral resources, the limits of energy generation, the constraints of food production, the effects of biodiversity loss, and of course the impact of climate change—into accessible texts. They have lobbied governments, and they have crafted soundbites for the media.

Despite these efforts, economic growth remains at the heart of virtually every government’s national policy. Even the various Green New Deals that have been put forward around the world are wedded to notions of economic expansion. At the heart of these more recent attempts to bring carbon emissions under control is the concept of “green growth,” which has become the current mantra. So, inevitably, advocates of degrowth have addressed this new version of “sustainable” economic expansion.

“We have to continue to pound away with articles and social media to dispel that fuzzy and oxymoronic notion of ‘green growth,’ that there is no conflict between growing the economy and protecting the environment,” observes Brian Czech, the founder of the Center for the Advancement of the Steady State Economy (CASSE) in Washington, DC.

The evidence that economic growth is associated not only with climate change but all the other ills of resource depletion is overwhelming. But evidence is not enough. “When we look at the discourses at the international and even at the national level, the recourse to the evidence is not what is necessarily moving the argument,” points out ecological economist Katharine Farrell of the Universidad del Rosario  in Colombia. “We need to reflect on why the evidence that exists is not being taken into account.”

There are several reasons why the evidence in favor of degrowth has not been persuasive to policymakers and the public. One challenge has been non-rational fears of a world no longer governed by economic expansion. “Maybe we have to sit with people and ask them what they are afraid of if there’s no technological solution, if there is no growth. What are their fears?” suggests Marga Mediavilla, a systems engineer at the Universidad de Valladolid in Spain.

It is also difficult to push against a prevailing consensus, particularly given the risks of exclusion. “The very thought of being rejected will convince us to self-censor,” notes Simon Michaux, a geologist with the Geological Survey of Finland. “We will not look at certain ideas and thought patterns. We will censor what we say based on what we think the rest of the group thinks so that we don’t get pushed into an outside group.”

The complexity of the problem poses certain challenges as well. “We tend to be reductionist in our thinking,” argues William Rees, a bio-ecologist at the University of British Columbia. “We tend to choose one issue at a time to focus on and we lost sight of the overall picture. You can hardly get people to connect the dots, to see climate change, biodiversity loss, the pandemic, ocean pollution, and climate change as all symptoms of overshoot.”

And then there’s the flood of messaging that supports economic growth coming from all sides: governments, media, even the entertainment industry. “There’s a huge fire hydrant blasting people,” says Joshua Farley, an ecological economist at the University of Vermont. “We are an eyedropper trying to give them an alternative.”

Nevertheless, proponents of degrowth have been developing more sophisticated communication strategies to “sell” their ideas. And they have been translating those ideas into specific policy recommendations and platforms that are gaining greater traction in the public sphere. The question is whether they can overcome the aforementioned challenges to change public opinion and public policy in time to avert catastrophe.

The Question of Rationality

Human beings behave rationally—some of the time. We analyze the situation, make calculations based on carefully considered evidence, and then act accordingly—on some occasions. The rest of the time, we fly blind, guided by instinct, emotion, and other non-rational factors.

“According to social psychologists, human beings don’t behave rationally,” points out Katharine Farrell. “It’s necessary to communicate with people whose priorities are very different from ours and who are not necessarily paying much attention to the arguments.”

According to neuroscientists, the brain has evolved over time by adding functions. The older parts of the brain, often referred to as “reptilian” or “limbic,” now coexist with the regions of higher functioning in the neocortex. “We live in our cerebral neocortex as rational individuals and we think that that’s where the action takes place,” observes William Rees. “But all of our actions are filtered through the limbic. The bottom line is this: the rational component is often overridden by emotion and instinct. This happens unconsciously. We can think that we’re acting rationally, particularly in relation to other people, when in fact we’re acting out of self-defense mechanisms that arise when our social status or political opinions or other aspects of our identity are threatened. This was highly adaptive as little as 10,000 years ago when things didn’t change much, but it’s maladaptive today when we have to respond to a rapidly changing context.”

It’s not all in the mind either, Katharine Farrell adds. “There’s been a lot of work in brain science that has brought in the stomach and the body, which brings us back to the holistic nature of human existence,” she relates. “For instance, in English, we say it’s a ‘gut decision.’

The challenge, Marga Mediavilla clarifies, is not with emotions or instincts per se. “The problem is that rationally we are seeing a problem that the instincts don’t want to see. What we need is coherence among the three levels, with feelings, instincts, and rationality all working together.”

William Rees agrees. “I was not suggesting that there is anything wrong with emotions or instinct,” he adds. “But often they are in conflict with what our rational analyses tells us. If you believe a certain thing emotionally and are confronted with contrary information, it can be very difficult to accept alternative information.”

The Persistence of Group Think

It’s one thing when individuals are struggling in their own minds—and indeed throughout their entire bodies—to reconcile emotionally felt convictions with a set of fact-based assertions. This struggle becomes considerably more complex when it intersects with group dynamics.

For instance, an individual might conclude, based on available evidence, that the sky is about to fall. But the community where the individual lives dismisses this conclusion for no other reason than that it goes against received notions. Should the individual go public with the evidence based on rational observation and data collection? Or should the whistleblower keep quiet out of a fear of ridicule?

“Humans are entirely social,” Joshua Farley points out. “We can’t survive apart from the group. So, being part of the group is the most rational thing to do, from an evolutionary point of view. To signify that you’re part of the group is often to believe in crazy shit. Believing in crazy shit helps you stay alive. Rational science is good for the next 50 years, but if you’re not part of a group you’re dead in a few weeks in evolutionary terms.”

This group mentality applies to everyone, from scientists to those who belong to anti-vaccination groups. It has been shaped by our evolved neurobiology, William Rees points out, and it forms our identity from an early age. “Every group has ingrained but socially constructed beliefs that distinguish the ingroup from the outgroup,” he notes. “This is absolutely the case for scientists as well those who are religious and those who oppose everything we support. We are part of our tribes, and we seek out people and experiences that reinforce the way we think.”

Simon Michaux provides an example of the challenges of groupthink from his involvement in a meeting on sustainable development within the European Commission in Brussels. “There were CEOS, ministers, lots of bigwigs impressed with their own opinions,” he recalls. “They were getting up and saying that they want to take the world to a more sustainable place. I stood up and made two observations. First, I said that all industrial products in Europe depend on raw materials mined from the Global South, that the components are manufactured in China or Southeast Asia. All their sustainability rhetoric was lovely and what we should be going toward, but they were ignoring where the stuff was coming from. They were saying that ‘we don’t mine, it’s a dirty business,’ but they were still buying stuff from China.”

Michaux continues, “The second thing I said was that everything on the list they wanted to achieve was achieved by aboriginal culture thousands of years ago, an outcome that was stabilized for thousands of years. Then European colonialists turned up and destroyed that culture. ‘Can anyone refute those two points?’ I asked. And the room went silent. At a chemical level, humans are terrified of being rejected and getting pushed into an outside group.”

It is one thing to convince individuals to change their minds. It’s no easy task to alter the thought patterns of a group. Marga Mediavilla suggests borrowing techniques from social psychology. “To get out of this automatic mind, according to psychologists, is to make the unconscious conscious,” she points out. “Once it is conscious, then we can change the behavior. We don’t know that we believe in these unconscious beliefs that are causing us problems. It’s probably because we are experiencing some kind of trauma. We don’t want to look at the scarcity of minerals or planetary limits. We are worried that we might have to go back to a lifestyle that is not as comfortable as today. But our beliefs are preventing us from having a better relationship with nature.”

Katharine Farrell notes that colonialism is another trauma that affects groupthink. When someone calls that colonial narrative into question, as Simon Michaux did in Brussels, “the audience becomes uncomfortable,” she observes. “If they can ignore you, they will.” She also offers a powerful reminder that the group identity of humans derives from different sources. “Gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos: these are the primates closest to us,” she relates. “Bonobos manage all of their relations through sex, compassion, and love. They’re generally quite timid and form a small and isolated population. Gorillas and chimps, on the other hand, are among the most violent animals on the planet—and we are more violent than they are.”

One way of overcoming groupthink based on faulty information or deeply held erroneous beliefs is to patiently establish new patterns of thinking through social learning—by way of educational systems, government programs, advocacy campaigns, and the like.

The second path is through a shock to the system. “People will remain in climate denial until they are up to their knees in water,” William Rees notes. “Here in Canada we experienced a record heat wave this summer, registering the second highest temperature in the world. It was the worst wildfire season on record, and now we’re having the wettest November in the history of the country. In the last two weeks, the water has pushed 17,000 people off their farms and killed so many farm animals. It’s been an absolutely catastrophe. A lot of people said that they didn’t believe in climate change until now. They didn’t believe in it until it’s right in their face.”

He adds that these catastrophes are straining the budgets of governments, “which are already stretched to the limit bailing us out of pandemic. It won’t be long before all the money in the economy will be devoted to repairing the damage done because of overshoot.”

The Challenge of Complexity

Absent a shock to the system, it can be difficult to persuade others of the perils of resource depletion and ecological overshoot because of the sheer complexity of the issue.

“Climate change is only one aspect of unsustainability,” Marga Mediavilla points out. “The world is now focused on climate change, but we face other problems like the depletion of resources. When you put them together it’s possible to see the whole picture of unsustainability.”

“Last year, it was the pandemic,” William Rees agrees. “Before that it was climate change and before that it was the economy. The human brain evolved in very simple times when you only had a few people to deal with and you lived in a relatively small space that you couldn’t influence that much. There’s been no natural selection to think in systems terms. Humans cannot anticipate the nature of behavior of most complex systems. We don’t know about thresholds and tipping points until they occur. The COP negotiators, who were policy wonks, economists, and politicians not climate scientists, had no real understanding of the complexity of interacting climate, economic and ecosphere systems—or else they wouldn’t have come to the conclusions they came to.”

“Most people don’t even know what steady state means,” adds Simon Michaux. “When they talk about the circular economy, it’s all about using things better. They talk about the value chain—manufacture, consumption, waste management, recycling, and back to manufacture. Then they say, ‘Hurrah, we’ve done our job and now we can have a nice lie-down.’ They don’t touch the inner ring of money, energy, and information systems. They think that world resources are infinite, that the ecosystem is fine and it’s just an economic problem. They have an attention span of 30 seconds. You have to convince them in 30 seconds before they move on to the next challenge.”

Complexity at an individual level is certainly a challenge, agrees Katharine Farrell. “The basic neurological functioning of a human being, which developed in stages, requires a certain amount of maturity to handle contradictions, which is the beginning of complexity.” But complexity is a different matter at a communal level. “The culture of consumption is just one culture,” she continues. “Analysis, the breaking into parts, is a trick of modern industrialized science and technology whereby we’re able to isolate certain aspects of physics and subject them to our will—and in the process of getting so obsessed with the toys, lose sight of the operator of the toys.” But other cultures “deal with cyclical knowledge and complex dynamics. And it’s incomplete to assume that complexity is the opposite of oversimplifying things. The complexity of a haiku is phenomenal.”

Communication Strategies

Understanding the limits of human cognition—the influence of non-rational factors, the persistence of groupthink, and the challenges of complexity—can help in developing more effective communication strategies. As with any effective communication, however, it’s important to know your audience.

“Everything has to be couched in the professional terms of the people we’re trying to reach,” Simon Michaux recommends. “If you don’t communicate in the language of the people you’re talking to, they’ll see you as threatening and the fight-or-flight instinct will kick in. Finance ministers want the language of accounting. They don’t care about technical details; they want numbers, preferably in graphs with shiny colors. Engineers and scientists want details and data, and if you’re not precise they’ll go after you. Investment people, the millionaires and billionaires, they also have a language. They also have counter-languages that they use as defensive postures to weed out troublemakers.”

“Occupying frontiers is not something everyone can do,” Katharine Farrell adds in an aside. “I’ve been in ecological economics my whole career. You get beat up when you occupy frontiers like that.”

Another key element of effective communication is a unified message. “We really need to unite around common rhetoric, phraseology, and terminology,” Brian Czech suggests. “There is a notion out there that it doesn’t matter what we call our alternative, as long as we are all after the same thing. But if you assess successful policy strategy over the past decades, you realize the importance of name recognition, which applies to individual candidates in electoral politics as well as to policy advocacy. When people say, ‘if you’re against economic growth, what are you for?’ we have to know right away what to say, and be united on that front. If we’re not for a steady-state economy, at a stabilized size that’s sustainable, then I don’t know what we’re for. Because we’re decades beyond a sustainable economy, we at CASSE have adopted ‘degrowth toward a steady-state economy.’ We have to bring the $133 trillion pre-COVID global economy down to a sustainable level.”

William Rees agrees on this last point: “If you look at the ecology, the global economy has to be a third the size or less of what we have now.”

A unified message can have an impact—as long as it has a fair chance of reaching an audience. “To have a community, you need good information,” argues Marga Mediavilla. “The information that comes to the public in Spain is crazy: 99 percent of the information comes from one side while only one percent makes sense and provides technically solid and sensible ways of getting out of the current climate crisis. People are overwhelmed by information, and it is of very low quality. People have no time to think. How do we build communities without a nervous system? We have to behave as an intelligent system but our system doesn’t have any nerves.”

Joshua Farley agrees that the average person is inundated with information, almost all of it supporting economic growth in both direct and indirect ways. “The amount of money spent on advertising, convincing us that the path to a better life is through consumption, is equal to the GDP of Canada, and it’s probably even more now. The biggest corporations are based on consumerism—Facebook, Amazon Google—all getting us to look at ads or buy things directly. We’ve given our airwaves over to the private sector, which sends the message that your life sucks unless you buy more things.”

Advertising is part of a larger economic system built around a messaging system of “market signals” that is devoted to the inflation of needs. “The problem is that we don’t produce for our needs but are artificially inflating our needs,” Marga Mediavilla points out. “This is because of two mechanisms. First, corporations are trying to inflate our needs so that we consume more than we need and so that they can get more profit. Second, people need jobs, and jobs depend on production. Working-class people think that they need growth in order to keep their jobs. These two mechanisms create a vicious circle.”

The larger goal, she continues, is for humans to decide human needs: “to make jobs and corporate profit a satisfaction of human needs rather than of production.” To do that requires delinking salaries from production. She describes an electricity cooperative where the owners, who are also the users, produce only as much as they need—and the compensation of the employees is not linked to the amount of electricity generated or distributed.

On top of all the challenges in communicating the degrowth message, Mediavilla concludes that “we are shy in presenting alternatives. If we don’t picture how life could be, people won’t see it.”

Developing Specific Asks

When he gives talks on ecological overshoot, William Rees includes a slide that lists what he considers to be the necessary requirements to exit the current crisis.

On the energy side of equation, the to-do list includes the phase-out of all frivolous use of fossil fuels. Among other things, this includes the elimination of all cars, including electric vehicles, and the cessation of all non-essential air travel. The remaining fossil fuel use that can be burned without exceeding the global carbon budget would go only to essential functions such as agriculture, industry serving basic needs, public transportation, and the heating of space and water. Manufacturing and agriculture would be re-localized to eliminate the carbon emissions associated with global supply chains.

Houses would be made more energy-efficient and considerably downsized. “In 1950-60, the average house in North America was 1,000 square feet and was inhabited by 3.8 people,” Rees notes. “Today, the average house is 2,500 square feet and is inhabited by 2.6 people. So, one person today gets the same square footage as an entire house from 60 years ago.” To cut down on transportation and remove the need for cars, most people would live in urban bioregions.

At the macroeconomic level, carbon taxes would discourage the use of fossil fuel while a fair income tax would distribute the economic burden. Money would be allocated to restore ecosystems. And to reduce the size of the future population, governments would deploy “non-coercive family planning programs, starting with better education and economic independence for women.”

In the United States, Brian Czech and CASSE have been focusing on revising the Full Employment and Balanced Growth Act (FEBGA) of 1978, otherwise known as the Humphrey-Hawkins bill. “This is the central economic policy of the United States, which puts the country on the GDP-growth path,” Czech says. “Those were amendments to the original 1946 employment act. A new set of amendments is way overdue. As part of the low-hanging fruit for amendment, we want the economic report to the president to include an ecological footprint analysis based on the prior five years and looking at the upcoming five years too.” The reporting would also look at indicators like GDP, which Czech doesn’t want to discard because it would continue to serve as a useful measure, just as a scale remains helpful for someone trying to lose weight. He also recommends renaming the act by taking out “balanced growth” and calling it simply the Full and Sustainable Employment Act.

Czech sees the passage of such an act as the kick-off to “what we call steady statesmanship: international diplomacy toward a contraction and convergence of the wealthier and the poorer countries.” For Marga Mediavilla, an essential element of remaking the global economy is reducing economic competition among countries, which creates an international version of what Barbara Ehrenreich called the “fear of falling” that has so paralyzed the American middle class. Another item on the wish list for many is Universal Basic Income, though Joshua Farley prefers that such a universal payment be tied to needs.

“When people ask me what we should do,” Katharine Farrell says, “I always say ‘buy local and get to know your neighbors. It’s a very simplistic way of addressing long global supply chains that generate information gaps that lead to cycles of overconsumption and the possibility of exploiting people without knowing it.”

Joshua Farley agrees that it’s important to buy local and get to know one’s neighbors. But he also points out that the “people in small communities who are already buying local and who know all of their neighbors are being hammered by biodiversity loss and by climate change, so it’s not enough.” William Rees adds that “buying locally is very difficult if everything is built somewhere else. All you’re doing is feeding the commercial machine without building up local artisanal capacity. We need greater economic diversity before buying locally can really mean anything.” Finally, Brian Czech notes that buying local is great “but if you have the bulldozer of fiscal and monetary macropolicy set to 3 percent growth, you’ll be plowed under.”

“I’m not sure that my predilection to buy local and know one’s neighbors is the leading edge,” Farrell concedes. “But it’s part of looking for the strange attractors that point in the right direction. It’s important not to waste time fighting decaying structures that will fall on you if you don’t get out of the way in time. Transformative change doesn’t take place inside the deteriorating extant structure. It takes place on the frontiers of transformative regeneration in the newly emerging structure.”

Despite all the pessimism about the current trajectory of the world and the challenges that face advocates of degrowth, Brian Czech remains cautiously optimistic. “We have two major allies: sound science and common sense,” he concludes. “We’re going to win at some point. There will be major catastrophes first, but it’s crucial that we have the leading explanations so that the pieces can be picked up correctly afterwards.”

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58 Comments on "The “Selling” of Degrowth"

  1. DarknessInTheUniverseWillBeRemoved on Thu, 23rd Dec 2021 10:06 am 

    I don’t have much to say for now. I still open to receive burst energy here and there

    to speed up the regeneration of my body and restore my body to its original from. We have to come up with something to keep human alive while the aliens die in mass number. We have to find a way to provide food, water and electricity.

    If the supply chain collapse you will have to take energy create food directly and place it directly in the grocery store instead of depending of the supply chain. Same apply potable water inside our house and heating.

    There is not much human left on earth. So they might be scattered through the whole world.

  2. Duncan Idaho on Thu, 23rd Dec 2021 11:27 am 

    Corp Whore Challenged:

    Pharma-Friendly Democrat Kurt Schrader Has A Progressive Primary Challenger

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jamie-mcleod-skinner-oregon-primary-kurt-schrader_n_61c3ad42e4b04b42ab682dd0

    Greed Heads being exposed

  3. MonApprocheTouteEnFinesse on Thu, 23rd Dec 2021 2:18 pm 

    J’ai trouvé quelqu’un qui comprends mon approche toute en finesse. 0:27 a 0:33
    Des fois quand je parle avec Dieu.

    Par Example: ta planète terre c’est de la càlisse de marde. C’est vraiment le mieux que tu pouvais faire tabercle.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfBPsEVip-o

  4. MonApprocheTouteEnFinesse on Thu, 23rd Dec 2021 4:13 pm 

    ca comme a avoir d’une reality électronique/énergétique quand tu surf le web. Pour moi ca devient que nous avons change de réalité.

    Vraiment tranquille dans ma tète ou le champs d’énergie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf-tuEODhJc

  5. Duncan Idaho on Thu, 23rd Dec 2021 5:26 pm 

    Kim Potter found guilty over killing of Daunte Wright

    Pig prosecuted
    But an innocent man is dead.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/23/kim-potter-trial-guilty-verdict-daunte-wright

  6. WeHaveToPlayWithSound on Thu, 23rd Dec 2021 5:46 pm 

    We have to play with sound more. Sound does not travel through air, it travel through electromagnet wave, pick-up by the spine, decoded by brain and send to your ears.

    We have to play with sound more to see if aliens living with us will change the sound of their voice.

    6:22 is a good example of a electronic voice

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF5_qNfgE5s

  7. JeSuisBienDeLaFinDeTout on Thu, 23rd Dec 2021 8:13 pm 

    C’est ca mes tabernacle. Il n’y a plus personne qui veux devenir un DIEU et vous n’est plus capable de trouver des candidats qualifiés. Le monde des DIEUX est sur le bord de s’écrouler aussi. Peu personne ne veut travailler avec vous pour créer de l’énergie intelligente. Tout l’univers de DIEU est d’entrai de s’effondrer. C’est un échec total.

  8. CestDeLaMarde on Thu, 23rd Dec 2021 8:38 pm 

    Ce me surprend que nous ayons fait autant de progrès que ca, considérant que je n’ai pas accès a des sources d’informations fiables er vérifiable. En gros nous avons accomplie les choses suivantes:

    1- Nous avons prouvé l’existence de DIEU
    2- Prouvé que tout est énergie dans l’univers incluant DIEU
    3- Nous avons prouve que la terre est envahie par une espèce qui n’est pas humane, encore une autre preuve l’existence de DIEU.

    Encore une fois, j’ai aucune réponses aux questions de je me pose.

  9. JeLeSavaisQueJavaisRaison on Thu, 23rd Dec 2021 8:55 pm 

    Les DIEUX ne sont pu capable de contrôler leur simulation énergique. Tout en entrai de s’écrouler dans le monde DIEUX. C’est pour ca que ne sommes envahie. Les autres créations des DIEUX sont mortes. Probablement qui reste juste la terre que peut supporter la vie organique. Tout est sur le bord de mourir dans tout l’univers au complet. La création de vie intelligente est un échec. J’avais raison depuis le début. The best form of life is nothing.

    Les DIEUX doivent être en difficultés sérieuses pour entrer en contact direct avec un gars du Québec qui déteste tout ce qui est vivant.

  10. JeLeSavaisQueJavaisRaison on Thu, 23rd Dec 2021 9:14 pm 

    Ca doit être la grosse merde pour les DIEUX. Les habitants de la terre ont décidé de se rebeller contre les DIEUX. Nous sommes entrain de foutre la merde dans ta création en installant une autre reality. Ca doit paniquer dans le mode DIEUX. Vous me contrôlez peu rien, vous ne contrôlez même plus la terre.

    Toutes vos autres créations sont mortes, vous ne contrôlez plut rien. Vous allez tous mourir mes tabernacle d’enfants de chiennes.

    I live on for revenge and blood.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-mgcTRrcQo

  11. Theedrich on Fri, 24th Dec 2021 3:30 am 

    The only solution is elimination of the stupid. Which is racist, of course.  Too bad.

    In any case, to continue expanding the 80% or so of the planetary population out of compassion, charity, Albert-Schweitzerism, etc., is the path to extinction.

    There is no third way, no alternative to the Final Solution.

    But the herd prefers extinction to survival.

  12. Dredd on Fri, 24th Dec 2021 7:49 am 

    “In other words, a society does not ever die ‘from natural causes’, but always dies from suicide or murder — and nearly always from the former, as this chapter has shown.” Toynbee (A Study of History)

  13. Biden's hairplug on Fri, 24th Dec 2021 9:21 am 

    Pfizer has reinvented Ivermectin and renamed it into Molnupiravir… and increased the price tag from 20 to 700 bucks:

    https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/reindeer-games-2/

  14. Dooma on Fri, 24th Dec 2021 2:44 pm 

    “The only solution is elimination of the stupid. Which is racist, of course. Too bad.”

    You are a dumb cunt, Theedrich – and proof that there a plenty of stupid white people.

  15. CaCommenceMesCalisse on Fri, 24th Dec 2021 6:57 pm 

    Il y’a de la face rouge, en tabernacle. Les exécutions de masse sont commencées.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmN80W7DU-I

  16. Duncan Idaho on Fri, 24th Dec 2021 7:22 pm 

    “Environmentalism Without Class Struggle is Just Gardening.”
    ~ Chico Mendes

  17. CaCommenceMesCalisse on Fri, 24th Dec 2021 7:25 pm 

    Speak by itself:1:00

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ7PPUTT3KY

  18. CaCommenceMesCalisse on Fri, 24th Dec 2021 9:30 pm 

    Who is the energy source to power earth. Since I am GOD I have access to enough energy to create whole universe. If you are using me as earth energy source, I will find a way to get control of the energy you are stealing from me and kill you with it.

  19. Cloggie on Fri, 24th Dec 2021 11:43 pm 

    “The “Selling” of Degrowth“

    The first victim of energy shortages and degrowth is going to be the privatly-owned car, that cluncker you have parked in front of your house:

    https://architecturehereandthere.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/kunstler-car.jpg

    I would recommend an e-bike instead, especially in America that responded to the end of the premature peak oil scare of 2007 by buying SUVs en masse. America is the least prepared of all.

    Ten years ago I began posting at this site. At the same time I began an energy blog. One of the first posts was this:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/german-army/

    The German army predicted a collapse of global oil and gas supply in 2022, that’s next year. They may have missed fracking, so that collapse will be postponed by a few years.

    https://youtu.be/v9mzpaOlWKU

    The Covid saga has masked the oil and gas shortages, but if Omicron is indeed the end of the pandemic and the economy bounces back, prices could go through the roof.

  20. DontNeedThisSite on Sat, 25th Dec 2021 12:16 am 

    I don’t need to make comments here anymore. I can get everything done by talking to GOD directly. I can keep my business secret now.

  21. Biden's hairplug on Sat, 25th Dec 2021 5:23 am 

    The Salvation Army and the true spirit of Christmas:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4QE5iSZyj4

  22. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 25th Dec 2021 11:14 am 

    At least Henry Kissinger is still alive — to see a new progressive government in Chile.

  23. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 25th Dec 2021 12:56 pm 

    “Treasons Greetings”

    The Fat Boy gives you a wish—-

  24. happy (((supremetard))) birthday on Sat, 25th Dec 2021 4:04 pm 

    So here is something to remember this Christmas: if you are a free human being, whether or not you are Christian, those Christians who are being persecuted in the Islamic world are standing in your place. The jihadis would just as soon attack you as well, and will eventually if they get the chance. Remember that the Islamic jihadis have you on their list. You may not be a Christian. You may not be a Jew. You may not be a Hindu. You may not be a Buddhist. You may not wish to pay attention to the jihad at all. But the jihad is universal, and relentless. And you are on its list.

    jihadwatch

    as usual please feel at ease among friends, we’re all lovers of supremacist muzzies here.

  25. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 25th Dec 2021 4:42 pm 

    ‘Outrageous’ pension double-dipping triggers criminal investigation into California cops

    Typical Pigs, especially from LA—

    Ripping off the public will at least keep them occupied a bit, from doing regular harm.

    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Outrageous-pension-double-dipping-triggers-16722357.php

  26. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 25th Dec 2021 7:09 pm 

    “I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather,
    not screaming in terror like his passengers”
    –Jack Handy

  27. LookAtTheFace on Sat, 25th Dec 2021 9:10 pm 

    face

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GTVVO4r7tA

    I am the king of earth. I am installing a news reality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIg3N4PF3Bc

  28. Biden's hairplug on Sun, 26th Dec 2021 4:07 am 

    The DailyMail has ordered a Christmas feel-good article and Neil Ferguson delivered:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10344603/Why-Im-optimistic-UK-2022-world-writes-NIALL-FERGUSON.html#comments

    “Why I’m more optimistic for Britain in 2022 than almost anywhere else in the world: Author NIALL FERGUSON on the vaccine triumph, the refusal to cave in to the woke mob and that stoical determination to keep calm and carry on”

    The trouble is, the Brexiteer readers aren’t buying, see the comment section:

    CFMichael, Essex, United Kingdom, 8 hours ago

    We’re on the brink of hyperinflation and economic collapse thanks to having one of the biggest circus of governments we’ve had since the 70s.

    Pro 1161
    Con 162

    randy-andy, windsor, United Kingdom, 11 hours ago

    Surely this is a joke? The last year revealed this country is filled with hysterical sheep that are incapable of independent thought or action without orders from Big Brother.

    Pro 1037
    Con 57

    gchump, Winchester, United Kingdom, 9 hours ago

    Keep calm and carry on? Been asleep for the last two years?

    Pro 832
    Con 60

    soverybored1878, Liverpool , United Kingdom, 9 hours ago

    Delusional. Absolutely delusional.

    Pro 740
    Con 52

    And here is a 2nd DailyMail attempt to boost morale:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10344779/Britains-economy-dwarf-Frances-15-years-time-thanks-booming-tech-investment.html#comments

    “Britain’s economy will dwarf France’s in 15 years’ time thanks to booming tech investment, experts say”

    With similar results:

    Britain’s economy will dwarf France’s in 15 years’ time thanks to booming tech investment, experts say

    Pro 210
    Con 54

    Hyperbitcoinization, Bristol, United Kingdom, 8 hours ago

    Doubt that when France runs on 75% nuclear and Boris wants us to run on windmills

    Pro 158
    Con 18

    (typical Anglo attachment to fossil fuel and nuclear, just like in the US, Canada and Australia)

    England is, like, Albania, 9 hours ago

    Economic forecasts are somewhat less reliable than the weather forecasts.

    Pro 129
    Con 5

    boomerangjoe7, Planet Earth, United Kingdom, 6 hours ago

    Don’t you just love propaganda…?

    Pro 96
    Con 7

  29. Biden's hairplug on Sun, 26th Dec 2021 7:42 am 

    The Korean wild card that could play into Chinese hands:

    https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/30130/pyongyang-s-push-for-korean-reunification-isn-t-empty-rhetoric

    “North Korea’s Push for Reunification Isn’t Just Empty Rhetoric”

    Setting aside for a moment the policy debate over whether that would be a good idea, it is worth considering the logical end of such a peace treaty: Korean reunification. While many in the West assume reunification of the two Koreas would occur on Seoul’s terms, history and recent developments on the peninsula suggest that might not be the case. Since the Korean War ended with a truce in 1953, North Korea has never given up its goal of reunifying the peninsula on its own terms.

    Korean reunification could very well occur with Chinese backing and based on a compromise: a North-Korean/Chinese style authoritarian regime, combined with a capitalist economy. Chinese interest: removal of US presence in a unified, political neutral Korea, in an environment, dominate by China.

    It should not be forgotten that Asians are not white Europeans or Americans of European descent and their liberty worshiping. Liberty and democracy and human rights are pure European inventions that could bite the dust in Asia, including Korea and Japan. And Asians are very “racist” (=possessing racial pride) and China could play the race card and pride itself of expelling white presence from East-Asia and as such having liberated all of Asia from white oppression. Expect Asia to go along with that, even in very right-wing and traditionalist Japan. Japan will never dominate and will either have China or the US as an overlord. In the end, they might prefer China, provided it can remain sovereign and China will not be interested in occupying Japan.

    https://parisberlinmoscow.wordpress.com/2021/12/26/chinese-liberation-of-asia-and-korean-reunification/

    “Chinese Liberation of Asia and Korean Reunification “

  30. EarthHadNewKingAndHeIsWhite on Sun, 26th Dec 2021 10:29 am 

    If you are from CIA you are on the hit of the king of earth. The king that would be me obviously. I make this comment to be sure that people understand that the earth has a new king and he power of life and death on people living on earth.

    5:30

  31. EarthHadNewKingAndHeIsWhite on Sun, 26th Dec 2021 10:31 am 

    5:30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pni_kDv9BsU

  32. EarthHadNewKingAndHeIsWhite on Sun, 26th Dec 2021 10:35 am 

    Jews also get execured to dare to call themself the chosen people of god. 20:57

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-w8EZ__v_8

  33. Biden's hairplug on Mon, 27th Dec 2021 12:46 am 

    London is following the example of North-American cities… down the gutter:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10345523/More-90-000-Londoners-spent-record-54-9-BILLION-leaving-Capital-2021.html#comments

    “Exodus from London? Londoners spent a record £54.9 BILLION leaving the Capital in 2021 and bought more properties in the countryside and suburbs for the first time in a generation”

    As always, read the readers comments to get an impression of the Vox Populi. Three best rated comments:

    justagent, North, United Kingdom, 13 hours ago

    Who can blame them. Their city has been over run with illegal immigrants who end up in a better place than the working class.

    Pro 1389
    Con 83

    courtney_xoxo, Bath, United Kingdom, 13 hours ago

    London is unrecognisable

    Pro 1137
    Con 45

    maddogpob, Boothby Graffoe, United Kingdom, 13 hours ago

    london is a foriegn country now

    Pro 1081
    Con 47

    Eurasia merely has to wait until the globalist Anglos have completed their suicide mission, so the rest of the world can be old-school racist again. No need to engage in an arms race against somebody who is already holding a loaded gun against his own temples with the intent to pull the trigger.

    Who is responsible for this drama?

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/paul-krugman-white-americans-are-losing-their-country/

    “Paul Krugman: “White Americans Are Losing Their Country””

    Straight from the horse’s mouth. The owners of America are responsible for this.

    Adi had a point. Still feeling good about winning WW2, dear Anglo? Or was it an own goal?

    Asking the question is answering it:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html

    “‘This isn’t the Britain we fought for,’ say the ‘unknown warriors’ of WWII”

  34. The ministry of truth on Mon, 27th Dec 2021 9:09 am 

    The international jew will be hunted down. They know what is coming.

  35. Cloggie on Tue, 28th Dec 2021 11:12 am 

    “Groningen Bike Capital of the World”

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2021/12/28/groningen-bike-capital-of-the-world/

    “It’s no secret that Holland is a cyclist’s paradise. In Groningen, a city in North Holland with 190,000 inhabitants, 50% of all traffic is by bike. Cycling is more pleasant here than anywhere else in the world. The number of cyclists alone will surprise you, and cars are hard to find in the city center. Groningen is a city without noise. The film shows how this was achieved.

    The turnaround in traffic began in the 1970s. It was decided that pedestrians and cyclists should have priority in the city center. Pedestrian zones, an extensive network of cycle paths, but above all the ban on cars crossing the city center directly, created the conditions. The bike became the fastest and preferred means of transport in Groningen.”

  36. WeHaveAnimalEverywhere on Wed, 29th Dec 2021 2:04 am 

    I said we should turn them into animal. Apparently some of them are moving like animals.

    0:00 to 0:10

    Replace __ with .

    fr__pornhub__com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f2a413e65142

  37. IHadAnInterestingNight on Wed, 29th Dec 2021 8:38 am 

    I had spirit sex last night. We played together for an hour. Pure sex without the need to think about a women or women physical forms. It is really something reserve for the Kings and GOD, it is the best I can put it. I will remember this until I die, but apparently I will live eternally because I am receiving a new body.

  38. CarlSaganIsAnAnimal on Wed, 29th Dec 2021 9:08 am 

    This is what I mean. They are starting to look less and less human and more like animal. Well it does not matter, if you are not humans, you will die of a painful facial skin cancer. Humans have been hated and enslaved since our creation. Eventually lesson need to be taught. Eventually justice need to be reestablished through the universe. Earth will be an example that the GOD’s are serious.

    12:50
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xz3ZjOSMRU

  39. Cloggie on Thu, 30th Dec 2021 5:56 am 

    I suppose it is the hooked nosed Jews to blame after all. Plus Edam is generally a rubbish cheese not like the beautiful English Cheddar so we Dutch are generally miserable as a result of losing the cheese wars of the 17th century.
    Plus the English girls have more teeth on average.

  40. Crazy Clown of Eindhoven on Thu, 30th Dec 2021 6:00 am 

    Hey shut the fuck up!

    He’s coming!

    Yes he’s coming and I have a new song!

    What’s that noise? He’s coming

    Shut the fuck up shut the fuck up!

  41. Dutch sausage muncher on Thu, 30th Dec 2021 6:01 am 

    Shame we are all arse bandits in Groningen

  42. Biden's hairplug on Thu, 30th Dec 2021 7:34 am 

    Poor apneaman, has started a desperate 1944 Ardennes offensive, he is bound to lose.

    Back to reality, far more interesting. The British Royal Family has two ticking time bombs underneath:

    – the woke couple Harry and Meghan, who are busy on a revenge tour for the death of Mum Diana, which they blame on the British deep state and The Firm:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10354283/Speaker-Commons-called-loony-claims-UK-spy-link-Princess-Diana-death.html

    – the predator dirty prince Andrew, who couldn’t keep his eyes and hands off too young sexual material, provide to him by the International Jew Epstein:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10355115/Ghislaine-Maxwells-child-sex-trafficking-conviction-doesnt-bode-Prince-Andrew.html

    Now, the other International Jew, a Ghislaine Maxwell, who did the dirty work of recruiting, has been sentenced for 65 years, but can hope for time reduction if she begins to talk.

    She is the daughter of yet another fraud, Robert Maxwell:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

    Ian Robert Maxwell MC (born Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch; 10 June 1923 – 5 November 1991) was a British media proprietor, former member of Parliament (MP), suspected spy, and fraudster. Originally from Czechoslovakia, Maxwell rose from poverty to build an extensive publishing empire. After his death, huge discrepancies in his companies’ finances were revealed, including his fraudulent misappropriation of the Mirror Group pension fund.

    If even kosher-friendly Wikipedia calls him a fraudster, you know you have something serious criminal under review.

    With a little luck, large numbers of high-ranking Anglo-Zionists could be exposed, like for instance the Clinton crime family. Or alternatively, she will be suicided.

    What do you think apneaman, would be interested to hear your opinion.

  43. FamousDrScanlon on Fri, 31st Dec 2021 11:53 am 

    Nazi Spies and murderers executed by American soldiers in Germany.

    https://youtu.be/iCMVnd64cJQ

    I love watching this with me Corn Flakes.

    Laughing is a great way to start the day.

  44. FamousDrScanlon on Fri, 31st Dec 2021 11:58 am 

    General Anton Dostler, a Nazi war criminal being executed by firing squad in Aver…HD Stock Footage

    https://youtu.be/_9qlxs3B4fg

    It’s American Jews who make up the firing squad Ba ha ha ha ha it’s fitting how he bows to them after they pump him full of lead.

  45. Biden's hairplug on Fri, 31st Dec 2021 12:42 pm 

    TalmudTurk is jerking himself off at pictures from 1945, the guy is entirely living in the past.

    The present is so much more interesting and not good at all for his agenda, not good at all:

    https://www.unz.com/freed/blackness-fatigue-enough-is-too-much/

    “Blackness Fatigue: Enough Is Too Much”

    Methinks the US may very well be heading toward a social explosion. The phrase “race war “is overwrought if it implies organized units and chains of command. However, in a country awash in firearms, a bloody, disorganized, continent-wide eruption is possible. To think “it can’t happen here” is complacently inattentive… The danger is that a flashpoint will come, that for example BLM will mob the wrong house in the wrong state and the occupants will open fire, leaving a dozen dead. The entire country would explode… San Francisco has made shoplifting of goods worth less than $950 a misdemeanor, the shoplifters not being Asians, with the result that to this date seventeen Walgreens have closed… Unfortunately nothing can be done. Anything that might work is politically impossible, and anything that is politically possible won’t work. Cosmetics, moral preening, lowering of standards, party politics—none of these will fix the country.

    https://www.unz.com/freed/its-gonna-blow-be-a-miracle-if-it-dont/

    “It’s Gonna Blow”

    “It’s American Jews who make up the firing squad Ba ha ha ha ha it’s fitting how he bows to them after they pump him full of lead.”

    I would be careful with laughing too loud, because North-America is entering a period where it’s going to be folks like you, who’ll be watching into the barrel of a gun, with an angry white guy pulling the trigger, all the while mumbling: “Adi was darn right”.

  46. FamousDrScanlon on Fri, 31st Dec 2021 9:27 pm 

    Clog is an expert on all things American. What are his qualification?

    He has Dutch high speed internet & a ‘Magic 8-Ball’ that a drunken sailor gave to him as payment for a blow job in Rotterdam in 1958.

    “It is decidedly so”

    clog at this point you are at the same point as the day you were born & since that day the Super Jews have fucked every women & half the ‘men’ in your family & they also EARNED half of the world in that time frame.

    Poor widdle clogie must settle for his unfulfilled rage revenge (for what?) fantasies. It’s all you will ever had sad old man.

    Isn’t there any jew hating-N-killin virtual reality you can buy/settle for since none of your fantasies have come true. Go look at your Trump loving comments from 2015…before you knew he maneuvered things so he would have 3 grand kikes to carry his-Trump DNA as far as it can go. Trump bet his lineage on Jews & you’ve ever even fucked a girl, so you’ve lost. If you don’t reproduce then why take it all so seriously? The very split secon you go brain dead that’s it. You’re done. Every word you said or wrote & every thought you ever had are POOF! up in smoke. Like you were never there….which you wern’t.

    You are no different than the religAtards. All of you are just different troops of screeching monkeys. The words & beliefs are just a smoke screen – it’s about power. For dupes like you it’s about feeling powerful & thinking you matter by living vicariously through your DADDY DeJour.

    It’s all the same. The century, country, language, ‘race’, religion – all the same & you will act out your roles once again like the good little puppets you are.

    I love jews, jews are great, they R great & I luvs them.

    Jews are great, Number#1
    Stole the world, cuz you are dum

    Jews are great, Number#1
    Stole the world, cuz you are dum

    Jews are great, Number#1
    Stole the world, cuz you are dum

    Jews are great, Number#1
    Stole the world, cuz you are dum

    😉

    https://youtu.be/jX4cO5njMxQ

    How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved By JEW)
    How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved By JEW_

    How sweet it is to be loved by JEW
    How sweet it is to be loved by JEW
    I needed the shelter of someone’s arms
    And there JEW were
    I needed someone to understand my ups and downs
    And there JEW were
    With sweet love and devotion
    Deeply touching my emotion
    I want to stop and thank JEW, baby
    I wanna stop and thank JEW baby, yes I do
    How sweet it is to be loved by JEW
    Feels so fine
    How sweet it is to be loved by JEW
    I close my eyes at night
    Wondering where would I be without JEW in my life
    Everything I did was just a bore
    Everywhere I went it seems I’d been there before
    But you brighten up for me all of my days
    With a love so sweet in so many ways
    I wanna stop and thank JEW, baby
    I just wanna stop and thank JEW baby, oh yes
    How sweet it is to be loved by JEW
    It’s like sugar sometimes
    How sweet it is to be loved by you
    You were better to me than I was to myself
    For me, there’s JEW and there ain’t nobody else
    I wanna stop and thank JEW, baby
    I just wanna stop and thank JEW baby, oh now
    How sweet it is to be loved by JEW
    How sweet it is to be loved by JEW
    How sweet it is to be loved by JEW
    It’s like jelly, baby, oh now
    How sweet it is to be loved by JEW, oh now
    How sweet it is to be loved by JEW
    Just like honey to the bee baby, yeah now
    Na, na, na, to be loved by JEW

  47. Cloggie on Sat, 1st Jan 2022 2:43 am 

    In the first place I wish everybody here a Happy New Year!
    In the second place Lewis Hamilton!

  48. Biden's hairplug on Sat, 1st Jan 2022 4:12 am 

    “It’s American Jews who make up the firing squad Ba ha ha ha ha it’s fitting how he bows to them after they pump him full of lead.”

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/01/11/a-holocaust-was-what-the-americans-did-to-the-germans/

    “A holocaust was what the Americans did to the Germans”

    And (((they))) are doing it until today.

    However, (((they))) are not all like TalmudTurk:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-911-conspiracy-theories/

    “The Case That 9/11 Was an Israeli Attack on the US Is ‘Overwhelmingly Strong’ – Ron Unz”

  49. Biden's hairplug on Sat, 1st Jan 2022 5:41 am 

    The US math Olympiad team beats China for the first time in 30 years:

    https://m.facebook.com/YourEverydayAsian/photos/a.218614298538261/1418292688570410/

    B-b-but… where are these smart Super-Jews?

  50. Ministry of truth on Sat, 1st Jan 2022 8:38 am 

    The international jew is behind the destructive porn industry.

    Ghislaine Hymen Benyamin “Maxwell” is typical of their kind.

    Scum like Zuckerberg (Facebook) are using mind fuckery on the youth and turning them into “consumers”.

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