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The Real Climate Debate
Climate came up only briefly in the first two Democratic debates. In the first, Rachel Maddow asked whether the candidates had a plan to save Miami. In the second, the moderators asked less than half of the candidates to briefly explain their position on the issue and the first of those (Kamala Harris), after her standard climate soundbite, pivoted to North Korea and Russiagate. Biden and Sanders saw it as a green energy issue—we just need more electric cars.
A more serious and determined debate has been going on outside, as a new wave of scientist-engineers surge through international conferences and refereed journals testing theories about how to recover some hope to sustain life aboard our damaged spacecraft before it passes a yet-unlocated threshold beyond which there is no recoverability.
The new tech they are pimping might be categorized generally as geoengineering, but that tends to toss both wizards and prophets into the same bag, so perhaps the tech side should be split between natural solutions and artificial ones. For carbon dioxide removal, the natural ones are afforestation/reforestation, soil rejuvenation, biochar, holistic management, chinampas, and marine permaculture. The artificial ones are BECCS (Biomass Energy with Carbon Capture and Storage), DACCS (Direct Air Carbon Capture and Storage), and enhanced weathering. To delay the inexorable impact, solar radiation management is a separate category from carbon dioxide removal, and includes things like painting cities white to reflect sunlight (which would not even approach balancing the loss of sea ice at the Arctic), spraying reflective particles into the stratosphere or over large ice masses (which has to be continuously repeated, at great expense, or the bottled-up heat returns in a rapid surge), and seeding the oceans with megatons of iron sulfate to stimulate plankton and algae (another perilous treadmill—get off it if only if you want to die)
And apart from that stage, a different discussion is happening amongst what I would call the realists, although others may just call doomers. In an open letter to David Wallace-Wells published in The Ecologist, April 4, 2019, eco-scientists Rupert Read, John Foster, and Jem Bendell chastised the best-selling author of The Uninhabitable Earth for donning what they considered rose-colored glasses.
We are unconvinced by your claim that because we engineered this mess, so we must be able to engineer an escape from it. While that may be a neat journalistic turn of phrase, it is logical nonsense.
Climate change was not intentionally engineered by humanity. The self-reinforcing feedbacks that are further heating our world show us how the complex living system of Planet Earth is beyond direct human control. So, we have no precedent for humanity intentionally engineering global change.
We understand you may wish to offer your readers some hope. However, your argument offers a continuing license for the hubris which has led humanity into climate-peril in the first place.
You point out that since “a decarbonized economy, a perfectly renewable energy system, a reimagined system of agriculture and perhaps even a meatless planet” are in principle possible, we have “all the tools we need” to stop tragedy in its tracks. And yet that would require us, as you also sardonically note, to rebuild the world’s infrastructure entirely in less time than it took New York City to build three new stops on a subway line.
Harsh words. After reading both Wallace-Wells’ Uninhabitable Earth and Bendell’s Deep Adaptation, I feel the critics probably went over the top. They are accusing Wallace-Wells of hanging on to unrealistic hopes while not making adequate preparations for the likelihood that those will prove groundless. I don’t think Wallace-Wells shied away from urging adequate preparations at all. And to hoist Bendell’s petard (whose ideas are not novel despite his overnight celebrity but should really be attributed to Guy McPherson), his advice is to “give up all hope of solutions without giving up on hope itself,” which is giving up on the prospect of adequate solutions, or more precisely, that humans have the genetic capability of accepting them and changing in time. I know, it’s a mind-bender. That’s why these guys get paid so much to philosophize in academia.
Readers of this blog will know that I am of the opposite persuasion. Thanks to what we have discovered about epigenetics, we have not arrived at a predetermined genetic cul-de-sac. We can, to borrow from John Lilly’s sensory-deprivation tank studies, “re-metaprogram the human biocomputer.” Thanks to what we have discovered about memes, temes, ecosystem regeneration camps, and ecovillages (now being installed in China at breathtaking speed), we are not limited by the cultural inertia of human history since Sumer. And thanks to natural climate solutions of the kind I listed above, especially biochar in all its potential applications, we are not constrained by any shortage of technical solutions, without resort to geoengineer quackery. We know precisely the acreage of forests required and the rates of planting and watering we are capable of. We know how to address the ocean feedback mechanism (exsolvation) with biochar and kelp forests. We know how to pull the fossil fuel IV out of our arm and go cold turkey without getting delirium tremens.
What we don’t know, is how to stop the quarreling and get it done. In this, I think Wallace-Wells and his critics agree. So would McKibben (Falter), Diamond (Upheaval), or Jamail (The End of Ice). Our impediments are mainly behavioral, not technical. McKibben’s approach is to take to the streets, where we can see inspiring protests by Greta Thunberg’s School Strike and Extinction Rebellion. I question, though, whether street protest really works or just makes people feel good by agitating their tribal instincts. Diamond says the problem is (putting on my best Strother Martin impersonation) “a failure to communicate,” for which he lays blame to social media and cheap airline flights. Agreed, Facebook global hegemony and the banalization of the commons is making it far worse, but it is hopeful to see Elizabeth Warren and others going after the Googazonbook social media combines and threatening to break them apart. Jamail says the upside of the fixing response is an upwelling of the human spirit. He gives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s New Green Deal as an example. That lump in your throat you feel listening to someone laying down hard truth in a poetic way is actually the one piece of the human genome most likely to rescue us.
In a Truthout essay published last March, Jamail wrote:
Anyone who thinks there is still time to wholly remedy the situation must answer the question: How do we remove all the heat that’s already been absorbed by the oceans? Invigorated activism, as heartening and important as it is, is not going to completely stem these tides.
Thus, the third level of activism, adaptation, comes into focus.
Adaptation is new territory. Here is the realm of healing, reparation (spiritual and psychological, among other ways) and collaboration. It is strangely rich with a new brand of fulfillment and unprecedented intimacy with the Earth and one another. It invites us to get to the roots of what went astray that has led us into the sixth mass extinction. Given that with even our own extinction a very real possibility, even if that worst-case scenario is to run its course, there is time left for amends, honorable completions, and the chance to reconnect in to this Earth with the utmost respect, and in the gentlest of ways.
Read, Bendell and Foster conclude their open letter to Wallace-Wells with this piece of advice:
It is not that acknowledging the hard truths which you present so starkly might still enable us to avoid climate disaster. For that it is, as in practice you so clearly demonstrate, now too late. Rather, it is the hope that through accepting the inevitability of such disaster for our present civilization, we may yet find our way to genuinely transformative change, capable of avoiding terminal catastrophe for humanity and the biosphere.
The sooner we realize that humanity won’t have a Hollywood ending to climate change, the more chance we have to avoid ours becoming a true horror story.
In that, I think we can agree.
It may be that when we no longer know what to do
we have come to our real work,
and that when we no longer know which way to go,
we have begun our real journey.
The mind that is not baffled is not employed.
The impeded stream is the one that sings.
― Wendell Berry
97 Comments on "The Real Climate Debate"
Cloggie on Sun, 30th Jun 2019 9:30 am
Always be a little skeptical:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-Ov1X0XsAAW0rJ.jpg
Weather maps first German television ARD 2009-2019, that is before and after “Paris”.
Davy on Sun, 30th Jun 2019 9:39 am
All planetary systems are disrupted from the stable normal of earlier times. The web of life is in decline from its rich complexity with localized ecosystem failure. The human social fabric is fraying and global economics in decline with debt and unfunded liability pressures. High quality Energy at an affordable price is in decline. Pollution is on the rise and infrastructure in decline. Pretty much all systems are in decline as the global human population increases and the global non-human “other” animal and insect populations are in decline. Technology is hitting diminishing returns except for a few exotic areas that mesmerize us like AI and more powerful computing. Pretty much everything is cycling down from less quality, value, and rich organic complexity. That said there is still a lot to work towards saving. Life is decent for many people rich and poor. It is becoming harder for many but not a cascading of pain and suffering. We can make the best of things by adapting and mitigating the worst for years if we would try harder. I personally think we are doomed longer term but who knows. I may be dead by then but I do feel my kids will see it.
If you single out climate change as the only issue you are not going to solve much. Fake green climate whining which is most of what is behind climate action these days is a farce. The fake greens want a modern life of comfort without any sacrifice. They think we can win-win and have more for less if we could only get rid of Trump and confine his deplorables to the fly over area. These people are a joke but the side benefit is they are driving renewable tech efforts. A lot of new tech is being installed for the better. Could all this be done better? Hell yes, with better behaviors and lifestyles we could treble our resilience and sustainability. Too bad because behavior will not change until it is forced by crisis. We need only look at what happened in France to see how people say “enough” once prosperity bites and inequality from corruption angers people. We have the rich and the leadership expecting the poor and the underprivileged to shoulder the burden of change to a low carbon world. These privileged people enjoy the fun of the new tech because they can afford it and feel righteous. Bull shit if you ask me but again if one looks at the bigger picture anything is better than what a high footprint idiot does and we have more of these every day. Psychopathic narcissistic behavior is the one breeding program humans have perfected.
Dredd on Sun, 30th Jun 2019 10:43 am
“What we don’t know, is how to stop the quarreling and get it done.”
Precisely.
It has been that way for 26 prior civilizations and we the current civilization are not exceptional (The Common Good – 12).
Davy on Sun, 30th Jun 2019 11:37 am
“These privileged people enjoy the fun of the new tech because they can afford it and feel righteous.“
Hey wait a minute……did I mention I got me a 3000 watt solar array? I think I might of.
JuanP on Sun, 30th Jun 2019 12:42 pm
“Davy on Sun, 30th Jun 2019 11:37 am “These privileged people enjoy the fun of the new tech because they can afford it and feel righteous.“
“Hey wait a minute……did I mention I got me a 3000 watt solar array? I think I might of.”
Juanpee, it is 3600 watts and I don’t feel righteous about it nor do I think it will save the climate. BTW, I am much more conscious of my footprint than your dirty stinking illegal alien juanpee self in the heart of the most unsustainable metropolitan region in the world you love so dearly. You should be ashamed of yourself. Thank god you got neutered and don’t have kids.
Chrome Mags on Sun, 30th Jun 2019 3:09 pm
https://neven1.typepad.com/
That link is the latest blog report from Neven on the state of the Arctic so far this melt season. 2019’s extent is even with the record breaker 2012 so far. For those interested its definitely worth a read and the graphs are informative.
The Arctic ice was less in the 90’s than the 80’s, the 2000’s less than the 90’s and the 2010’s less than the 2000’s. It fluctuates year to year, but the trend is unmistakable. How people can still be even attempting an argument is quite distressing for our future, but it’s like Dredd posted above.
Maybe humans are best defined by ‘Lord of the Flies’. People just naturally split into at least two factions, or maybe it’s because they like conflict more than they like consensus. In any case, here we are pumping billions of tons of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere with conditions on the ground steadily getting worse, but still no consensus.
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Davy on Sun, 30th Jun 2019 6:56 pm
“FUELL Fluid Is Hall Of Famer Erik Buell’s Answer To What An E-Bike Should Be”
https://tinyurl.com/yxq4ovzz clean technica
https://tinyurl.com/yyj9tamv image
“The FUELL Fluid can deliver up to 125 miles of range with its mid-drive Bofeili 500W pedal-assisted motor. The setup gives us 100 Nm of torque, enough for spirited acceleration. The e-bike rests on a custom aluminum alloy frame with two battery slots. The extra battery allows for a full capacity of 1,008 Wh. The FUELL Fluid sports a Gates Carbon Drive belt system and Shimano Alfine 8-speed Geared Hub. According to the company, this should make the FUELL Fluid virtually maintenance-free with its adjustable suspension and hydraulic brakes. Charging 80% of the battery takes around 2.5 hours, while a full charge take ~5 hours. The Fluids 504 Wh batteries are removable and can be, theoretically, upgradeable depending on battery technology evolution.”
The Church Lady on Sun, 30th Jun 2019 9:00 pm
DAVY the SKUM Be SILENCED ye Whore of Babylon, for inscribed on DAVY’S scalp is the Beast’s true identity and shall forever be known, DAVY, MYSTERY, BABYLON the GREAT, the FATHER of PROSTITUTES and ABOMINATIONS of the EARTH.
ABOMINATION DAVY, be silenced, ye FATHER of WHORES, for you are a DESTROYER of TRUTH.
Davy on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 4:55 am
“Aviation’s dirty secret: Airplane contrails are a surprisingly potent cause of global warming”
https://tinyurl.com/yxf7dnvx science
“Planes create their mesmerizinfg contrails as they soar high in the thin, cold air. Water vapor quickly condenses around soot from the plane’s exhaust and freezes to form cirrus clouds, which can last for minutes or hours. These high-flying clouds are too thin to reflect much sunlight, but ice crystals inside them can trap heat. Unlike low-level clouds that have a net cooling effect, these contrail-formed clouds warm the climate. A 2011 study suggests that the net effect of these contrail clouds contributes more to atmospheric warming than all the carbon dioxide (CO2) produced by planes since the dawn of aviation. And those effects are predicted to get worse as air traffic—and the resulting cloud coverage—increases: Some estimates suggest global air traffic will quadruple by the year 2050.”
Davy on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 5:09 am
“UN world population report predicts slowing growth rate, 10.9 billion peak by 2100”
https://tinyurl.com/y3zqy799 new atlas
“Underpinning the UN estimates is the observation of declining global fertility rates. At the beginning of the 20th century average global fertility rates sat around six births per woman. By 1990 this had fallen to 3.2, and in the latest report is currently averaged at 2.5 births per woman. It is predicted average fertility will continue to drop over the course of the century, to 2.2 in 2050, and finally 1.9 births per woman by 2100, ultimately suggesting a global population decline by the next century. Of course, these birth rates are not even across the world, and more than 90 countries are already registering birth rates at below replacement levels (less than two births per woman). Sub-Saharan Africa, on the other hand, is still averaging 4.6 births per woman, leading the UN report to estimate overall population in the area to double by 2050. While this general estimate that the global population should peak at under 11 billion is better news than some earlier higher estimates that it would reach as high as 15 billion by the end of the century, the researchers behind the study suggest the vast majority of population growth coming over the course of this century will occur in the world’s poorest countries.”
(Commentary)
https://tinyurl.com/y5cyl9ct rice farmer
“Seriously, in view of climate change, desperate water shortages, rising global conflicts, unmitigated human greed and stupidity, and the grave threats facing energy and food production, do you think this is a realistic prediction? My prediction is a precipitous drop in global population, and it’s going to be ugly. – RF”
claes on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 1:00 pm
I would like to congratulate (the new?) Davy with his sudden ability to differ between “then” and “than”. He even tend to use these words a little less than old Davy used to.
Most people who through a whole life time have strugled with this particular problem, never seem to get over it. But new Davy did, and he deserves congratulations for that great deed.
Davy on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 1:39 pm
claes, or should I say JUANPEEE, your just a stalking prick with mental issues. Go away, the adults are trying to have a conversation here.
Davy on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 2:06 pm
Claes, “Davy on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 1:39 pm” is JuanP and he does ID theft.
JuanP on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 2:11 pm
humper thumper number 9
Juanp on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 2:31 pm
Mis amigos, this is a very special time. I have been stalking for a year now. I was triggered a year ago when my feeling were hurt. I have a hyperactive oversized pride. I also have a dysfunctional personality that is manifested with cyberbullying and cyber stalking. I do not care about norms. ID theft is fine and my goofy dumbass personalities are manifested by my many sock puppets. I fill comment feeds up with mindless ad homs and stupid sexual perversions. I tell you guys I am sorry but I am not because you all are all sorry fucks for being here anyway. I brag about myself constantly because I am special. All this is because I am a psychopathic individual and I consider myself a separate species sus horriblis. The world revolves around me. I like to tell people I am set in life. I have all the money I need so a surf and sail. I travel when I want. I justify this oversized Miami Beach playboy ecological footprint because I was sterilized. I didn’t have kids. If you did then I am better than you because I didn’t. Since I am so fucked up it is a good thing I don’t have kids. Bad seeds should be destroyed. Too bad I was not aborted.
More Davy Identity Theft and Child Like Behavior on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 2:51 pm
JuanP on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 2:11 pm
Juanp on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 2:31 pm
claes on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 4:32 pm
Davy said :”behavior will not change until it is forced by crisis”, and you are so right.
But then you say:”These privileged people enjoy the fun of the new tech because they can afford it and feel righteous.”
Now please Davy, the poor are just waiting for their turn to burn diesel,gasoline and energy in general. Poor people are not necessarily green.
I can promise you that all the immigrants on the southern border only have one wish: How can we on board the great fossile fuel funeral pier, before it’s too late. Please don’t see modern poor, as we once saw the noble wild people. We are all greedy, and none are humble
Davy on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 4:40 pm
Claes, this is more a matter of fake greens who can afford the so called green tech thinking they will save the planet. They also love the alternative lifestyles. They have the cake and they eat it. How many fake greens would make serious sacrifices to be green? Poor uneducated people just want to survive and better themselves however that happens. Fake greens are buying their green feelings but not changing their high consumption behavior in most cases.
claes on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 4:44 pm
I misspelled that : the great fossile fuel funeral pier” . It should have been :”the great fossil fuel funeral PYRE”.
Sorry About that.
claes on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 4:55 pm
Davy, we do agree , I just wanted to see the expression: “The great fossil fuel funeral pyre” on print. Just like Ugo Bardi wants his “seneca cliff” to go mainstream. Vanity, vanity
claes on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 5:17 pm
Davy said:Poor uneducated people just want to survive and better themselves however that happens.
A lot of these uneducated people come from jungles, prairies, tundras and all kinds of wilderniss. They don’t think life is worth living out in the nature that we others are figthing so hard to preserve. No, They want to burn fossil fuels, just like all other normal people in this world. The noble wilde is dead, and he is not coming back.
Agnostic on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 5:25 pm
the US government thinks they are perfect and the rest of the world is forced to listen to this fucking self-righteous, hypocritical bullshit (so-called “values” and “human rights”). America is a Spanish word, and English is not America’s first language (The first language were the dialects of Native Americans). Those detention centres where immigrants are being held hostages ARE concentration camps that lack basic hygiene. America is no longer a superpower but a hellhole infested by gun fanatics (there are over 300 million people in the US and 275 millions + firearms including assault rifles in the hands of mentally ill people), overcrowded prisons (that are full of non-white inmates who don’t get a fair trial), decaying infrastructure, skyrocketing national debt ($28 trillion), suicides, malnutrition, environmental disasters. America will never be “made great again”- it never was.
claes on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 5:49 pm
Why don’t the democrats help the immigrants in their own countries, where they dont have to leave families and friends? Why don’t the democrats have a huge program for helping poor people all over the world, so that they can live a good and prosperous life in their own native surroundings? Why do the democrats want to upproot people and send them to a foreign country (the US) where they don’t even know the language.
I have not once heard a democrat talking about helping poor people where they actually live. They only talk about transferring them to the USA where Obama-made concentration camps wait for them.
HELP PEOPLE LOCALLY, STOP IMMIGRATION GLOBALLY
claes on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 6:06 pm
Agnostic: Why does all the coloured people come running for the countries that are run by white people. Why don’t they stay where their own race is ruling.. Why don’t their own race solve their problems? Please Agnostic ignoramus, answer that.
makati1 on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 6:34 pm
Agnostic, you paint a very accurate picture of Police State America. claes is the ignoramus as he doesn’t notice that the WHITE MAN’S plundering wars have been and are driving them out of their native countries.
Does he understand that ALL of those countries are under some form of US threat/embargo/or war? Nope! Hypocritical denial like all asshole Americans who deserve what is coming in Spades. Soon we, the 7 billion people outside the gulag, all hope.
Anonymouse on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 6:44 pm
In case it was not readily apparent claes, most immigrants to the uS, or Europe even, are often fleeing conflicts and or corrupt regimes, installed by the uS and Tel Aviv. The uS\Mexico situation illustrates this dynamic perfectly. The uS forced Mexico to accept ‘free-trade’ which has had two particularly negative effects on that country. One, the uS floods Mexico with its cheap inndust-ag exports, which all but wiped out small and medium sized independent agriculture in that country. Two, like Canada to the North, the uS plugged Mexicon fossil-fuel directly into americas tanks, and this dependence on exporting FF to the uS, denied Mexico the energy needed for its own development.
Threre is a lot mroe than that going on than just those things, of course, but, wiping out the small Mexican farmer, played a huge part in the permanent Mexican exodus to Yankeeland. Forcing Mexico to export its FF to the North, hasn’t help Mexico one bit either. Same thing happening the further south you go. Country after country, robbed any chance of a a decent livelihood, because of the uS.
On the question of Dodgy governance, our ‘white’ countries and leaders, are doing a terrible job themselves, after all, they are largely responsible for installing the regimes these people are fleeing from. Maybe all the brownies figure they are better off being close to the instigators, where they are a little less likely to be on the receiving end as they are from the para-militaries and dictatorships the uS has installed in their own countries.
But you are exactly right about the so-called ‘Demo-crats’ of the Amerio-Israli party. They never will advocate for self-reliance and or independence in the countries they are currently meddling in, because that would cut off the uS off from the flow of resources, humans and natural, the uS is currently siphoning off and sending to the ‘homelands.’
Never forget, that uS corporations, particularly its massive corporate food-farm system, could not function or exist on the scale it does without imported slave labor from the global south. Thus, tacit support for illegal immigration into the Jewnited Snakes, has long existed amoung some sectors of the uS elites. In reality few amoung the uS elites wish to ‘control’ immigration in any serious way, but, some elites have a bigger stake than others of course.
claes on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 6:57 pm
Mak, what is driving them out of their native countries is their own fucking behavior. They fuck but don’t understand that this behavior leads to children which leads to even more grand children.
But anyway , if every body hates America so much, why do they all want to live there. They are not immigrating to china,russia or north korea.
Mak ignoramus, why are they all heading for the US – the worst place on earth where the most evil people lives. why why why
juanp on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:05 pm
All Is Not Well In ‘Deep-State’ World
Stagecraft The playwrights of yore had a neat way of resolving sticky plots: when it seemed all was lost among the confounded mortals on stage, a supernatural figure would descend from the riggings above the proscenium, lowered in a basket on a cable — Moliere liked to use an actor playing Louis XIV, his patron — to resolve, untangle, forgive, and pardon all the complications of the story. This device is known as the Deus ex Machina, God in a machine. Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) announced last week that ex-Special Counsel Robert Mueller has agreed to descend from on-high into the witness chair of Mr. Nadler’s House committee chamber on July 17, presumably to resolve all the conundrums left by his semi-inconclusive RussiaGate report. Remember, in his nine-minute homily on May 29, Mr. Mueller said that if called to testify, he would only answer by referring to the text of his report — hallowed in Wokesterdom until its disappointing release. Mr. Mueller’s notion of testimony-by-script is at least as unorthodox as his innovation of pronouncing the object of his criminal inquiry “not exonerated,” an unprecedented and certainly extra-legal spin to the prosecutorial standard of finding an indictable offense or not — without added aspersions, insinuations, and defamations. Meanwhile, Mr. Mueller’s standing as a potent God figure has eroded badly. He started out in 2017 as the Avenging Angel in a Brooks Brother’s suit, morphed into Yahweh as the RussiaGate Mob patiently awaited his Last Judgment, and then got demoted to mere Sphinx-hood after his Sacred Text failed its basic task: to oust the Golden Golem of Greatness from his unholy occupation of the White House. Did Mr. Nadler summon Mr. Mueller from beach or lake-side to just recite chapter and verse from his report? What would be the point of that? Well, perhaps to whip up enough media froth to refresh the public’s memory of how Comrade Trump stole the 2016 election at the bidding of his Russian handlers. Is that all? Could be. The problem is that Mr. Nadler’s majority Democrat members are not the only ones who get to ask questions. Did the Chairman forget that? Or did he think the minority — including Reps. Collins, Jordan, Gohmert, and Gaetz — would just lob softballs at the witness? I can think of a few 90-mph sliders I’d like to pitch to Mr. Mueller, some of them already floated in the press: like, why did you allow the GI cell phones of Peter Strzok and Lisa Page to be destroyed shortly after you were informed about their unprofessional and compromising text exchanges, for which they were fired off your “team?” When did you learn that international men-of-mystery Stefan Halper and Josef Mifsud, whose operations spurred your prosecutions, were not Russian agents but rather in the employ of US and British government intel agencies? Your deputy, Andrew Weissmann, was informed by Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr in the summer of 2016, months before your appointment, that the predicating documents for your inquiry, known as the Steele Dossier, amounted to a Clinton campaign oppo research digest — when did he happen to tell you that? You devoted nearly 20 pages of your report to the Trump Tower meeting between the president’s son, Donald, Jr., and two Russians, lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin. Why did you omit to mention that both Russians were in the employ of Glenn Simpson’s Fusion GPS company, candidate Clinton’s oppo research contractor, and met with Mr. Simpson both before and after the Trump Tower meeting? How did it happen that you hired attorney Jeannie Rhee for your team, knowing that she had previously worked as a lawyer for the Clinton Foundation? Under what legal standard did you pronounce Mr. Trump to be “not exonerated” in the obstruction of justice matter, considering you told the Attorney General, Mr. Barr, that it was not based on findings by the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel concerning presidential immunity from indictment?
The public has been well-distracted by the Democratic Party primary circus, and all reporting about the aftermath of RussiaGate has vanished from the front pages of the news media. Ostensibly, Hillary Clinton is enjoying her solitary walks in the Chappaqua woods and all seems well in the Deep State world. Yet, consider that wild things lurk in those thickets. The DOJ Inspector General, Mr. Horowitz, is overdue with his own report — perhaps stymied by a lack of cooperation in wringing declassified documents from the hands of the many intel agencies involved… while Mr. Barr and his deputy, John Durham, are at work in the background on their own investigation. There will also be repercussions upcoming in the matter of General Flynn, who switched attorneys recently and may be reconsidering his guilty plea based on Mr., Mueller’s prosecutorial misconduct in withholding exculpatory evidence from Judge Emmet Sullivan’s court. It’s just possible that Robert Mueller will not be reading chapter and verse from his sacred report, like an old-school Episcopal priest, but rather pleading the Fifth Amendment to avert his own potential prosecution.
Duncan Idaho on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:10 pm
wiping out the small Mexican farmer, played a huge part in the permanent Mexican exodus to Yankeeland.
Yep, and I’m a former resident of Mexico
makati1 on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:11 pm
claes, obviously you did not read Anon’s explanation of the reason they are leaving. Your ignorance exceeds theirs in your denial. Perhaps you too deserve the shit that is coming? I think so.
Davy on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:15 pm
makato, do you remember what country claes is from? LOL
Word salad alert on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:16 pm
Anonymouse on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 6:44 pm
More Davy Sock Puppetry and stupidity on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:21 pm
More Davy Sock Puppetry said, nothing worthwhile.
Word salad alert on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:16 pm
juanpee is wacko on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:42 pm
More Davy Sock Puppetry and stupidity on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:21 pm
More Davy Sock Puppetry said, nothing worthwhile.
Word salad alert on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:16 pm
makati1 on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:46 pm
Davy, does it matter what country? No. My and Anon’s statements are valid anywhere. All the more reason the US has to be taken down, soon.
claes on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:51 pm
Anon, you got a lot rigth in what you are saying, and I can’t really argue against it, because it’s more or less right.
My only problem with nations that rightfully claim to have been mistreated in the past, is: what have they done in the mean time while being free?
I know you won’t like it, but there is something with white protestants that makes countries operate very smothely.
Throw the whities out of your country and you throw organization, economics and the individuals rigths out at the same time.
Nafta wasn’t forced on you as I understand it.
But why was/is it impossible for nations like yours to understand that overpopulation is a problem.
And overpopulation is the only reason why we are talking about immigration problems. you are way too many, and that is not because of the yankees. Why couldn’t you have stopped that at an earlier time, when you were free to do that
Davy on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:55 pm
“Davy, does it matter what country?”
So you don’t know where he is from do you.LOL. In the past you said he was American because that is your default for people you disagree with.
Tijuana on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 8:03 pm
“In case it was not readily apparent claes, most immigrants to the uS, or Europe even, are often fleeing conflicts and or corrupt regimes, installed by the uS and Tel Aviv.”
Total BS
“The uS\Mexico situation illustrates this dynamic perfectly. The uS forced Mexico to accept ‘free-trade’ which has had two particularly negative effects on that country. One, the uS floods Mexico with its cheap inndust-ag exports, which all but wiped out small and medium sized independent agriculture in that country.”
Dumbass, the trade balance is in Mexico’s favor but you are not smart enough to figure that out.
“Two, like Canada to the North, the uS plugged Mexicon fossil-fuel directly into americas tanks, and this dependence on exporting FF to the uS, denied Mexico the energy needed for its own development.”
Please what a dumbass. You are about as ignorant as they come.
“Threre is a lot mroe than that going on than just those things, of course, but, wiping out the small Mexican farmer, played a huge part in the permanent Mexican exodus to Yankeeland. Forcing Mexico to export its FF to the North, hasn’t help Mexico one bit either. Same thing happening the further south you go. Country after country, robbed any chance of a a decent livelihood, because of the uS.”
Mexicans are leaving for many reasons stupid but recently the migrants are mostly from south of Mexico but you are too stupid to know that.
On the question of Dodgy governance, our ‘white’ countries and leaders, are doing a terrible job themselves, after all, they are largely responsible for installing the regimes these people are fleeing from. Maybe all the brownies figure they are better off being close to the instigators, where they are a little less likely to be on the receiving end as they are from the para-militaries and dictatorships the uS has installed in their own countries.
claes. on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 8:04 pm
Mak, my ignorance about immigrants might be small, but immigrants knowledge about contraceptives are diminutive.
Anonymouse on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 8:23 pm
NAFTA was forced on Canada. Saying no to amerikans and their’free-trade’ agreements is seldom optional. The Mulroney regime at the time, knew if it was put to a referendum, it would never have passed. Thankfully, for uS corporate-financier elites, Canada is no more a ‘democracy’ than the uS is. In fact, in our system, anything the ruling party wants, it can usually get passed into law with far less hassle than is typical in the even more corrupt uS system. So, the idea that NAFTA was both popular with voters and was not forced on Canadians is not really an accurate statement on its face. Sorry.
Getting NAFTA passed, was a bit a drawn out affiar, because it was so unpopular, but, the regime at the time, was plugged was merely the northern chapter of the uS elites. There commitment, was to do their uS masters bidding regardless, and that is exactly what they did. Popular will and sentiment, or goodwill even toward the idea of ‘free-trade’ such as it existed, never entered into the equation.
claes on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 8:35 pm
anon, nafta was a big step down for the american worker, and a big step forward for globalization. sleep tight, its bedtime in the western taigas
Davy on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 8:45 pm
“ In the past you said he was American because that is your default for people you disagree with.”
Oops, sorry everyone. Stupid me. I keep forgetting your American makato.
I’m such a dumbass.
Anonymouse on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 8:48 pm
NAFTA screwed workers in all three counties, of that, there is little doubt or question.
More Davy Sock Puppetry and Child Like Behavior on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 8:48 pm
juanpee is wacko on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 7:42 pm
Davy on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 8:52 pm
“NAFTA screwed workers in all three counties, of that, there is little doubt or question.”
Finally, something we can agree with Annoy. Us one percenters fucked everybody over royally.
makati1 on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 9:30 pm
claes, maybe their religion does not allow contraceptives? I live in a Catholic country where they are discouraged. Ditto for Muslim countries. Even American Mormons encourage large families.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_by_country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country
Careful who you blame.
Anonymouse on Mon, 1st Jul 2019 10:08 pm
You are not a 1%er dumbass. More like one of the 20%. And that % includes your sock puppet, I AM THE DAVYOB.
See:
https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-1-5-americans-suffer-mental-illness-each-year-230608
Cloggie on Tue, 2nd Jul 2019 1:10 am
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines knows they are playing with fire (pun intended) and undertake the flight forward (again pun intended) and start a campaign to promote “fly responsibly”… in order to prevent “don’t fly KLM at all”:
https://brandedcontent.volkskrant.nl/longread/klm-fly-responsibly/
KLM is taking the lead among all airlines and calling all to join in an effort to make flying sustainable.
KLM advises passengers to take the train for shorter distances.
KLM promotes total transparency, probably to pave the way for higher airfares for those people who choose to fly on carbon-neutral fuel:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/05/31/amsterdam-airport-carbon-neutral/
New designs of more efficient airplanes:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/06/04/klm-to-fund-rd-wing-plane/
KLM’s home airport is already running on 100% renewable energy (in that Schiphol invested in Dutch windparks to the tune of their own overall energy consumption)
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/08/16/schiphol-airport-to-run-on-100-renewable-energy-in-2018/
DerHundistLos on Tue, 2nd Jul 2019 1:11 am
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES UNPRECEDENTED ROLLBACK OF US WILDLIFE PROTECTED AREAS; NO CONCERN FOR FUTURE; SHOW ME THE MONEY NOW
Trump Declares Open Season on Endangered Flora & Fauna.
Nice going Trumptards. You elected a monster and there will be hell to pay. US deserves to become first country ravaged by the coming ecological apocalypse.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/30/us-rollback-protected-areas-emboldening-others-scientists-warn