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The End of Civilization?

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Governments all over the world are using the alleged threat of a COVID-19 pandemic to shut down the world’s economy.

Daniel Lacalle, an authority on energy economics, writes: “The decision to shut down air travel and close all nonessential businesses is now a reality in major global economies. The United States has banned all European flights as Italy enters a complete lockdown, Spain declares a state of emergency, and France closes all nonessential public places and businesses.”

Further, he points out, governments can’t solve the problems they have created through massive spending programs and bigger deficits. These policies make things worse: “Governments will implement large demand-side policies that are the wrong answer to a shutdown of the economy. Most businesses will suffer from the collapse in sales and subsequent working capital build, and none of that will be solved with deficit spending. You cannot mitigate a supply shock with demand policies, which increase debt and overcapacity in the already indebted and bloated sectors and do not help the sectors that are suffering an abrupt collapse in activity.” And government printing of money, i.e., outright inflationism, is even more dangerous.

Lacalle’s remarks bring to mind the trenchant comments on Ludwig von Mises. He warns against attempts to shore up disastrous policies by printing more money. Mises says, “No emergency can justify a return to inflation. Inflation can provide neither the weapons a nation needs to defend its independence nor the capital goods required for any project. It does not cure unsatisfactory conditions. It merely helps the rulers whose policies brought about the catastrophe to exculpate themselves.” He tells us where a policy of inflationism will end: “Inflation is the fiscal complement of statism and arbitrary government. It is a cog in the complex of policies and institutions which gradually lead toward totalitarianism.”

Bill Sardi emphasizes the criminal folly of US government policy. The federal government, he says, is “willing to crash the economy, kill businesses, particularly churches and restaurants that are unlikely to have the resources to re-open their establishments, and coerce people to stay indoors, a practice that will further lower vitamin D levels and result in widespread infection and death among retirees.” States and cities have rushed to follow suit. Los Angeles and San Francisco, for example, are now under drastic “shelter-in-place” orders that require “non-essential businesses” to close and forbid dining in restaurants.

To understand more fully what is happening, we need the guidance of two great thinkers, Ludwig von Mises and Murray Rothbard. They teach us a vital lesson. Civilization depends on the international division of labor. To destroy the division of labor would plunge us into chaos. Life as we know cannot survive under a system of economic autarky.

Rothbard explains this key principle in “Freedom, Inequality, Primitivism, and the Division of Labor:” No one can fully develop his powers in any direction without engaging in specialization. The primitive tribesman or peasant, bound to an endless round of different tasks in order to maintain himself, could have no time or resources available to pursue any particular interest to the full. He had no room to specialize, to develop whatever field he was best at or in which he was most interested. Two hundred years ago, Adam Smith pointed out that the developing division of labor is a key to the advance of any economy above the most primitive level. A necessary condition for any sort of developed economy, the division of labor is also requisite to the development of any sort of civilized society. The philosopher, the scientist, the builder, the merchant — none could develop these skills or functions if he had had no scope for specialization. Furthermore, no individual who does not live in a society enjoying a wide range of division of labor can possibly employ his powers to the fullest. He cannot concentrate his powers in a field or discipline and advance that discipline and his own mental faculties. Without the opportunity to specialize in whatever he can do best, no person can develop his powers to the full; no man, then, could be fully human.

While a continuing and advancing division of labor is needed for a developed economy and society, the extent of such development at any given time limits the degree of specialization that any given economy can have. There is, therefore, no room for a physicist or a computer engineer on a primitive island; these skills would be premature within the context of that existing economy. As Adam Smith put it, ‘the division of labor is limited by the extent of the market.’ Economic and social development is therefore a mutually reinforcing process: the development of the market permits a wider division of labor, which in turn enables of further extension of the market.”

Mises writes along the same lines: “The fundamental social phenomenon is the division of labor and its counterpart human cooperation. Experience teaches man that cooperative action is more efficient and productive than isolated action of self-sufficient individuals. The natural conditions determining man’s life and effort are such that the division of labor increases output per unit of labor expended.” The division of labor, Mises tells us, is the key to the development of civilization. He says, “We conceive what incentive induced people not to consider themselves simply as rivals in a struggle for the appropriation of the limited supply of means of subsistence made available by nature. We realize what has impelled them and permanently impels them to consort with one another for the sake of cooperation. Every step forward on the way to a more developed mode of the division of labor serves the interests of all participants.”

Now, governments all over the world want us to give this up. Abandoning the international division of labor will hit Africa, dependent on trade for bare survival, especially hard. To what end is the world’s carefully wrought economic system being dismantled? Does the spread of COVID-19 require us to destroy the world’s economy? Here we can learn from another outstanding thinker, Ron Paul, who is a medical doctor and can give an expert analysis of government medical propaganda. He says: “On Face the Nation, [Dr. Anthony] Fauci did his best to further damage an already tanking economy by stating, ‘Right now, personally, myself, I wouldn’t go to a restaurant.’ He has pushed for closing the entire country down for 14 days.

Over what? A virus that has thus far killed just over 5,000 worldwide and less than 100 in the United States? By contrast, tuberculosis, an old disease not much discussed these days, killed nearly 1.6 million people in 2017. Where’s the panic over this?

If anything, what people like Fauci and the other fearmongers are demanding will likely make the disease worse. The martial law they dream about will leave people hunkered down inside their homes instead of going outdoors or to the beach where the sunshine and fresh air would help boost immunity. The panic produced by these fearmongers is likely helping spread the disease, as massive crowds rush into Walmart and Costco for that last roll of toilet paper.” Ben Swann supports Ron Paul’s skepticism with a careful analysis of World Health organization statistics in this important video:

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Even if the COVOID-19 virus turns out to be more severe than the skeptics give us reason to think it is, we can get through it. We cannot survive the end of the division of labor. It would be the finish of civilization as we know it.

Llewellyn H. Rockwell Jr. | Mises.org –]



96 Comments on "The End of Civilization?"

  1. JuanP on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 12:56 pm 

    Forum please note this for the last time:

    We (juanPee, JuanP, supremist muzzie jerk, Richard Guenette, Boney Joe, Truth Buster, Gaia, Kenz300,…..are spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on our chronic depression. We want to thank Davy for moderating us because we need it. We have saved the best of are comments for are new blog. We have years worth of sock material. We have enjoyed being moderating and neutering because our agendas. We will still be here it is just we will be spending more time putting laying in the fetal position in bed. We don’t expect much of help with depression. This is more a suicidal condition over the last 10 years of formulating are REAL Depressed. Many of my suicidal thoughts and filthy lifestyles our my egotistical way of life. We plagiarize and do ID theft daily ruining this forum. Anyone can kill themselves. Do it if it feels good I am thinking about it. For stalkers like me I hope I find more stalking opportunities. LOL. There will be a prize for anyone who can find where I live and rat me out. Double LOL. Anyway fuck are all of you I hate everyone including myself.

    We (juanPee, JuanP, supremist muzzie jerk, Richard Guenette, Boney Joe, Truth Buster, Gaia, Kenz300,…..guess we could have joined the moderated section at PO dot com, but we knew we’d get are ass permanently banned. We’ll try not to let the door smack us up the backside on the way out.

    Goodbye to ALL of you dumbasses.

  2. Cloggie on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 1:50 pm 

    “A Different Tune: Xi Offers Trump Help After China ‘Shutting Down The Borders’ To Foreigners”

    Xi knows that Trump can’t accept help from China for prestige reasons. China the senior, the US the junior.

    Not very MAGA.

  3. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:01 pm 

    Bill Gates of HELL! Is now arguing for a total lockdown of the entire US for months.

    And once they do that. All they have to do is cut the power. And you have just culled the entire country.

    Gates is another Hitler!

  4. Davy on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:04 pm 

    I delusional davy, JuanPee, supremist muzzie jerk, Sum, Truth Buster, I AM THE MOB, REAL GREEN…..are spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my chronic delusions. I want to thank The Board for moderating me, us because we, I need it. I have saved the best of my comments for my dumb blog. I have years worth of sock material. I have enjoyed being moderated even though I say otherwise and the neutering because of my agenda. I will still be here it is just we will be spending more time putting laying in the fetal position in bed. I don’t expect much of help with my delusions. This is more a suicidal condition over the last 10 years of formulating my REAL Depressed way, my suicidal thoughts and backwoods existence and my egotistical way of life. I plagiarize and do ID theft daily ruining this forum. Anyone can kill themselves. Do it if it feels good. I am thinking about it. For stalkers like me I hope I find more stalking opportunities. LOL. There will be a prize for anyone who can find where I live and rat me out (hint Rural Missouri, the really, really shitty part). Double LOL. Anyway fuck are all of you I hate everyone including myself.

    I Delusional davy, JuanPee, supremist muzzie jerk, Sum, Truth Buster, I AM THE MOB, REAL GREEN,…guess we could have joined the moderated section at PO dot com, but we knew we’d get my, our ass permanently banned. We’ll try not to let the door smack us up the backside on the way out.

    Goodbye to ALL of you dumbasses.

  5. JuanP on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:10 pm 

    This is from me the pink poodle. I can be very dramatic when I want to be that is part of being schitzoaffective:

    I delusional davy, JuanPee, supremist muzzie jerk, Sum, Truth Buster, I AM THE MOB, REAL GREEN…..are spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my chronic delusions. I want to thank The Board for moderating me, us because we, I need it. I have saved the best of my comments for my dumb blog. I have years worth of sock material. I have enjoyed being moderated even though I say otherwise and the neutering because of my agenda. I will still be here it is just we will be spending more time putting laying in the fetal position in bed. I don’t expect much of help with my delusions. This is more a suicidal condition over the last 10 years of formulating my REAL Depressed way, my suicidal thoughts and backwoods existence and my egotistical way of life. I plagiarize and do ID theft daily ruining this forum. Anyone can kill themselves. Do it if it feels good. I am thinking about it. For stalkers like me I hope I find more stalking opportunities. LOL. There will be a prize for anyone who can find where I live and rat me out (hint Rural Missouri, the really, really shitty part). Double LOL. Anyway fuck are all of you I hate everyone including myself.
    I Delusional davy, JuanPee, supremist muzzie jerk, Sum, Truth Buster, I AM THE MOB, REAL GREEN,…guess we could have joined the moderated section at PO dot com, but we knew we’d get my, our ass permanently banned. We’ll try not to let the door smack us up the backside on the way out.
    Goodbye to ALL of you dumbasses.

  6. whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:15 pm 

    srsly
    i’m just a tard operating on negative budget if you could say. the dailymail is multibillion dollar corp and thousands of soldiers of the disinfo campagin and they’re afraid of me?

    How coronavirus ‘deniers’ are using Facebook, WhatsApp and YouTube to spread conspiracy theories and misinformation about the deadly disease

    So when whitey supertard scientific usrurper “thunderf00t” imposed self quranteen it didn’t help alleviate the fear?

    thought so, I said it smells when I heard he quaranteened himself

  7. whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:28 pm 

    Anchorage * Fri 12:24 pm Overcast. Chilly. 25 °F

    Turkey: Website promotes ISIS material, including article called “Kill The Idolaters Wherever You Find Them”

    whitey supertard ismael said muzzies are idolaters

    K: do not mentioned allah along something else or he gets angry

    Muzzie: shahada tacked on muhaddmad the pedifile in same testament about allah to pedifile

    conclusion: muzzie idolaters

    ht supertard big muzzie beard

  8. whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:40 pm 

    Miami * Fri 4:38 pm Scattered clouds. Warm. 84 °F

    Muslim Professor Brags about Failing Non-Muslim Students…
    ht supertard glenn roberts thereligionofpeace

    grater supremacist muzzie akbar sayeed used low english on whitey supertard john brady cauisng him to commit suicide. this muzzie is pioneer in introducing low english into higher lerning ™ institution. the language is consistent with muzzie doctrine when describing kufar as lowest of animals

  9. JuanP is stupid on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:43 pm 

    This is stupid shit from stupid:

    whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm said Miami * Fri 4:38 pm Scattered clouds. Warm. 84 °F…
    whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm said Anchorage * Fri 12:24 pm Overcast. Chilly. 25 °F T…
    whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm said srsly i’m just a tard operating on negative…

  10. whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:46 pm 

    Dublin Fri 8:42 pm Passing clouds. Quite cool. 45 °F

    Exactly 234 years ago this week, two of America’s founding fathers documented their first exposure to Islamic jihad in a letter to Congress; like many Americans today, they too were shocked at what they learned.

    . The [muzzie] ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

  11. whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:48 pm 

    2020.03.25 (Afghanistan)
    Eight civilians are pulled into pieces by fundamentalist bombers

    Athens Fri 10:48 pm Drizzle. Overcast. Cool. 52 °F

  12. Abraham van Helsing on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:48 pm 

    Italy has NOT peaked:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8160469/Italys-death-toll-doctors-rises-44-coronavirus-crisis.html

    “Italy’s deaths spike by 969 – its biggest one-day tally yet – to 9,134 as country warns coronavirus has still NOT peaked and lockdown will have to be extended“

  13. whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 3:49 pm 

    6 Family Members Killed Over Woman’s Choice to Elope…

    Bucharest Fri 10:49 pm Clear. Cool. 50 °F

    ht supertard glenn roberst thereligionofpeace

  14. whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 4:00 pm 

    London Fri 8:57 pm Clear. Cool. 46 °F

    whitey supertard anni cyrus on muzzie privileges

    if muzzie achive positive it’s a muzzie

    if muzzie jihadin killing kufar it’s not a muzzie

    sounds familiar ..muzzie al baghdadi was not a mzuzie, have PhD in muzzie study, burried by US navy as a muzzie but not a muzzie

    I’m mad whitey supertard president trump fired top us navy commander richard spencer who is expert at muzzie burial at sea but it’s not a muzzie.

    now our navy are so week they can’t burry muzzie at sea but it’s not a muzzie

    mind blown

  15. Abraham van Helsing on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 4:04 pm 

    “Gates is another Hitler!”

    The world is full with Hitler’s, mobby, and they are all after you!

    And they’re coming to take me away ha-haaa
    They’re coming to take me away ho-ho hee-hee ha-haaa
    To the funny farm
    Where life is beautiful all the time
    And I’ll be happy to see those nice young men
    In their clean white coats
    And they’re coming to take me away ha-haaa

  16. whoa supertards plese love supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 4:11 pm 

    Connecticut DOCTOR is arrested for deliberately coughing on his co-workers and ignoring social distancing while treating patients during coronavirus pandemic

    Oslo Fri 10:10 pm Chilly. 39 °F

    the tyranny of medical industrial complex is taking casualty among themselves

    what happened to whitey supertard president paul’s liberty for individuals and the republic

  17. triggered and deeply lovin supremacist muzzies more oh my goodness oh my dayme burger going ham you know the differnce between a weak burger and a burger that has strength and you bite the fries and the fries bite back my man daym daym daymm on Fri, 27th Mar 2020 4:47 pm 

    Barcelona Fri 10:45 pm Light rain. Passing clouds. Cool. 52 °F

    please watch videos of whitey supertard pat condel about muzzies, worthwhile

  18. Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 12:51 am 

    Not need for China to throw out the US navy from East Asia, corona does it for them. The airkraft carriers Theo and Ronnie are taken out of business, because the sailors can’t get any kraft from air, so sad:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8161181/Sailors-aircraft-carriers-Pacific-coronavius.html

    “Both US aircraft carriers in the Pacific are taken out of action for up to a MONTH after sailors get infected with coronavius – giving China an almost free hand in the region as Pentagon raises threat level to second highest setting“

    Cough, cough.

  19. Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 1:13 am 

    In Britain 759 people died of corona, which is still absurdly low as compared to the 500,000 people who die every year.

    In comparable Italy 600,000 die. Reason for the difference: Italy is still white, where Britain is full with “young, vibrant muslims”, who won’t die any time soon.

    Italy is hands down the most identitarian big country in Europe, where Britain is the most globalist. As a consequence Italy was the first to adopt fascism in defense against communism, where the British (Churchill) secretly teamed up with the mass-murdering globalist Soviets as of 1934 in order to enslave Europe:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/churchill-stalin-alliance-as-of-1934/

    Nothing is forgotten.

    The global economy is now being wrecked, releasing enormous amounts of men for the military to bring about real geopolitical change.

    “UK’s coronavirus death toll jumps by 181 to 759 in Britain’s darkest day of the crisis yet as almost 3,000 more patients are diagnosed as Government promises to start testing hundreds of frontline NHS staff this weekend”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8160411/UKs-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-601.html

    We have the globalists by the balls!
    Two world wars are going to be revenged.
    Wait for China to be ready.

  20. Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 1:34 am 

    As a reminder why it is so important to get rid of globalist anglo-supremacists like empire dave and joe esquire, here a Guardian article from 2000 that is jubilant about the demise of the white race:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

    “Non-whites will be majority in US and Europe by 2050“

    The current Dims candidate Joe Biden has a similar track record of gloating about how soon American whites will become a minority in the US.

  21. Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 1:50 am 

    “I arrived here on the kindertransport – the similarities between now and 1930s Europe are chilling“

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/immigration-europe-turkey-greece-kindertransport-dubs-alien-nation-a9388991.html

    Here a British jew with the familiar attitudes: the EU should take in migrants, just because he survived the holohoax.

    Fortunately we got rid of him, while he can still serve continental European interests in wrecking the UK for us. The chance that joe esquire will develop some spine, come to the defense of his own country and put this chap on a boat to the East, is exactly zero. Joe has bigger fish to fry, like monitoring the stock market and feeling really depressed about it.lol

  22. Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:20 am 

    “Both US aircraft carriers in the Pacific are taken out of action for up to a MONTH after sailors get infected with coronavius – giving China an almost free hand in the region as Pentagon raises threat level to second highest setting“

    LOL, cloggo, do you think the virus is partial to different militaries? The Chinese just don’t talk about what the virus did t their military. I wonder how bad it is in Europe too. You are such a deranged drama queen. JOKE

  23. Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:23 am 

    “As a reminder why it is so important to get rid of globalist anglo-supremacists like empire dave and joe esquire, here a Guardian article from 2000 that is jubilant about the demise of the white race”

    cloggo, the demise is with you here on this board. You are a deranged Anglo hater and your mental decline is getting almost as bad as makato and juanPee. I have to say juanPee stepped off a cliff recently. He is going full lunatic. All of you have potions of failure which must relate to this mental decline.

  24. Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 4:40 am 

    Covid19 logarithmic growth
    https://tinyurl.com/tfbl8vb oil price commentary page

    “Wrong population number for the cresting issue overwhelming the medical system You don’t open up all of the economy all of a sudden.. You wait for the crest to show up in the daily deaths and follow that figure for the metropolitan areas. Dense Cities are fast propagating. Suburbia is slow propagating once you close schools and other dense gatherings. There is no reason to lock those areas down. Some precautions an limitations are sufficient. Physical distancing and public surface sanitation are sufficient in low density population without public transport and mass gatherings. That is 60% of the US. The spread is slower speed. So the propagation wave that forms is flatter and does not overwhelm the medical system. That means 60% of US population X low death rate + 30% X high death rate. The low density urban population is mixed high density centers and low density outside it within the same jurisdiction. More difficult to segregate operations principles for the two areas. So would have to remain in restricted mode, though its rate of propagation would be lower. The spread in low density areas is too slow to cause a problem if you just keep gatherings (schools church events dining halls) restricted. The positive stats in large test pools so far are highest in NY state (NYC), 30% positive. And NJ (NYC metro), 34% Ilinois (Chicago) 15%, Cali (LA, SF) 15% (another 200% bigger sample is out for results and should give a better idea) Both states are sprawling suburban with relatively small dense urban centers. Party towns Florida (Miami) 9% Louisiana (New Orleans) 13% Oddly high numbers from Michigan (Detroit) 30%, and Maryland (Baltimore) 86%, Delaware 80% Samples are not sizable yet. Suburban metros Pensylvania (Philadelphia, Pittsburgh) 9%, Ohio (Cleveland Columbus Cincinnati) 5% https://covidtracking.com/data/ The spread in cities is too fast to control after you missed it. The death toll has to be high as the dense city would surely rise in an overwhelmed city, which it surely would. I figured you are at 75% infection in a dense city within a week, and if I overstated the propagation via public surfaces then up to 2 weeks. The point is that if you didn’t halt the spread BEFORE any symptomatic cases presented in significant numbers then you lost the war already. By the time the exponential growth shows up in symptomatic cases presenting at hospitals, you are likely not protecting anybody by having strict quarantine. You can only protect the high risk population as you go on with restricted normal activity. Support high risk populations by allowing them to remain in place with only screened people known not to carry the virus having access to them, doctor home visits rather than having them go to the doctor. It is up to them if they want to take the risk of venturing out. Amazon warehouses and the supermarkets are showing us how to deal with the practicalities of controlling propagation of CV19 in the workplace as they gain experience tracking down the propagation process and cleaning up after outbreaks in their facilities. We could learn from what adaptations S. Korea and Japan Taiwan and Singapore did to allow continued function while containing the propagation.”

  25. Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 5:35 am 

    Breaking. The BND (German CIA) has expressed its strong suspicion that Turkish state officials, disguised as “refugees”, were responsible for initiating the riots on the Greek-Turkish border:

    https://www.tz.de/politik/tuerkei-fluechtlinge-erdogan-bnd-griechenland-coronavirus-eu-grenze-merkel-migration-news-zr-13603339.html

  26. Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 5:35 am 

    I have been reading this for months and early on I told people this virus would not stay in China because of the global system was a vector for spread and mega urban areas perfect for rapid infection. That should have been a no-brainer. Many people ignored me and went on and on about this is just a flu. Extreme measures are going to bite the world in the ass down the road because the economic side of the virus has a rate of infection and a damage rate so to speak. We can already consider globalism wounded beyond what any of us can remember. 2008 is a cake walk compared to now. The loss of production and the loss of system health through damaged confidence is huge. In the short term it may not to appear to be an issue because the general public has this feeling this economic situation will pass just like 08. The truth is we don’t know how this will end economically but if we consider the consequences it appears the damage done will not be repairable in regards to a world we knew 6 months ago. By the way that economic world was not great either with debt issue and economic bubbles. Now we have the bubbles popped and debt issues surreal. Debt is not definable now since there is so much talk about debt management and forgiveness. What is the all-important price discovery mechanism anymore? Risk is impact and likelihood. I think risk is off the charts now.

    The real risk issue is loss of actual economic activity. The loss of things made cannot be repaired like financial contagions. No amount of intervention will fix this. Activity and potential for activity is gone. This means that we dropped to a new systematic level in a frog boil or rapid freeze. In science we can liken this economic situation to a phase change and bifurcation. This was likely the first step with more to come as the consequences propagate. So, the infection was organic and systematic. The world order of things is being up ended as well and the virus has not even made its rounds. It likely is going to surface in the developing world and southern Hemisphere as winter begins. What many hoped is a temporary economic contagion will likely be a multiyear cascading risk factor. I could be wrong, I hope. Back in 08 I was wrong. In 05 I began to follow the inconsistencies of the bubble economy then and peak oil. The crisis came and went. I was left in the wake of having invested myself in a collapse position that never materialized. I am now more subdued to any collapse rhetoric becuase of this but I feel this time is likely different mainly becuase what happened in 08 was never cleaned up. Now there is the damage done by the virus along with what was never cleaned up previously. This multi-level contagion is probably more than the current world order can handle at least in regards to the old status quo of 6 months ago.

    My biggest concern now for a stabilized human system is food production. This all happened so quick people forget just how difficult it is to grow and make food for 7BIL people plus how dangerous populations become after missing 9 meals. We have a lot of food in the system. There has been mainly logistic disruptions with for example restaurant food and retail. Food is there but food stocks are being reduced as the vital northern Hemisphere food production year kicks off. Planting windows are approaching. We are an industrial agriculture civilization that has global monocultures with vast global systems of transport and capital services in a process much like global JIT manufacturing. There is labor needed to produce food. Many big farms are run by an older population at risk to the virus. The good side of food production at the basic viral level is farms are in rural setting which should be spared some of the worst virus damage still the need of all the other aspects to food production have been hit hard. This on top of several hard years of weather and recently trade conflicts. This reminds me of how greens look at the carbon trap we are in with renewables. Many greens pride themselves on not being involved with science denial of course until it comes to the solutions which when looked at economically, are absurd. If we look at some of the ideas for geoengineering or economic New Deals, we see rampant science denial. I think the virus is now our new denial narrative.

  27. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 8:22 am 

    Clogg

    You are about to be neutralized!

    Like we do any kind of vermin.

    WE GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN OUR HANDS!

  28. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 8:25 am 

    The reason for the lockdowns is to punish mankind.

    WHO is your daddy!

  29. Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 8:50 am 

    “You are about to be neutralized!”

    You mean you have been neutralized. LMFAO. MOBster your whole extremist ident lying lib fake news movement is in tatters. People like you are now fucked and rudderless.

  30. Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 8:52 am 

    “The reason for the lockdowns is to punish mankind. WHO is your daddy!”

    MOBster where is the greatest virus carnage? Right in your blue enclaves. Get a grip your fiendish bullshit is now being judged!

  31. Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 9:00 am 

    This is for juanPee aka pink poodle and his worthless attempt to be relevant on the moderated side

    https://peakoil.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1443506#p1443506

    “In my country, they literally threw people out of planes and choppers into the South Atlantic. The military officers who kidnapped, tortured, and murdered them were trained in the USA at the School of the Americas. The CIA organized and supervised the whole thing. You are not advocating anything new.”

    More blame out of juanPee for his utlerly failed south America. You are a joke JuanP and a criminal

    “The lack of humanity of your comment is unfathomable to me. It is precisely because of people that behave the way you do that so many people around the world can’t wait for Americans to finish destroying the USA.”

    LOL, you are the psychopathic criminal juanPee. You are living a binry lie that you will pay for. You are an untreated mentally ill skumbag.

    “ The good thing, as far as I am concerned, is that Americans are doing such a great job of destroying the USA that they don’t need any foreign help at all; you are your own worst enemies. I wish you could understand reality and accept the truth. I will mostly ignore you, ASG, and OS from now on because none of you are worth debating with most of the time.”

    LMFAO, most people ignore you juanPee. You are a friggin lunatic that the site owners should rid from this site or at least kick you off the moderated side and password protect ID’s on the unmoderated side.

    “I may respond to any good comments you post, but based on what I’ve seen so far they won’t be many. Stay safe!”

    MY Friggin GoD you are a fucking stupid idiot. Get the fuck out of here you lame brain!!

    https://peakoil.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1443505#p1443505
    “No, it’s not. This is NOT news; it has been happening since the beginning. The Chinese are completely aware of it, and have been for over a monthThousands have tested positive after being cured, but none of them got sick again and there is no evidence that they are contagious either, so, obviously it is residual virus material that causes the positive results.”

    LMFAO, juanPee, you can’t attack the truth with ID theft or socks on the moderated side so you are stuck looking like a fool with a position that reflects your dumbass!!

  32. Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:05 am 

    You are about to be neutralized!

    Like we do any kind of vermin.

    WE GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN OUR HANDS!

    First you should concern yourself with winning back the presidency, because, despite for all his faults, Donnie ain’t reading aloud papers written by (((David Axelroth))), (((Rahm Emmanuel))) or (((David Gergen))) in front of the camera.

    So much for “we got the whole world in our hands”. Donnie is still fulminating against the media. And that Biden feller ain’t exactly the brightest bulb in the American political Christmas-tree. We can only hope that he can remember that he is a presidential candidate.

    P.S. How went that joke again about what blacks and jews have in common?

  33. Abraham van Helsing on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:20 am 

    30 intriguing pictures from corona planet (right click -> English)

    https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/fotografie-die-bilder-der-woche-a-4a5a470d-39e6-44e4-9314-571236dfa05e

  34. JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:44 am 

    Who luvs ya baby!

  35. Davy on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:52 am 

    I would like to apologise to anyone I have offended over the years, especially guys like Makati and JuanP. The truth is I sympathise greatly with your beliefs and political positions whilst struggling with my own and always striving to be fair and reasonable. I wish you all the best in your dreams and loves in this world and let us all now enjoy more intelligent chats here on peakoil.com. Im not holding my fucking breath.

  36. JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:54 am 

    Please accept my apology, I concur that we need to tone down our anger and return to intelligent conversation.

  37. Makati on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:57 am 

    Yes I agrre with JuanP. The truth is Davy for many years I have secretly admired you. Whilst sitting alone at my writing desk I have often thought of holding your hand and gently caressing your hair as we embrace and laugh at the crazy world 🙂

  38. JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:58 am 

    I would like to apologise to anyone I have offended over the years, esestially the entire forum I have ruined. The truth is I have no beliefs and political positions. I am a untreated mentally ill schitzoaffective. I wish you all the best I am looking at the pool 5 storied bellow thinking of jumping. Iam holding my fucking breath.

  39. Anonymouse on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 10:59 am 

    please jump juanPee. You will feel much better once it is over

  40. JuanP on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 11:08 am 

    I will now that I know that the beautiful Anonymous does not care for me!
    goodbye cruel world

  41. Anonymouse on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 11:10 am 

    No dont I will save you, I always liked your pink poodle!

  42. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 11:12 am 

    1979 — US: A Three Mile Island cooling unit fails, leading to a meltdown that uncovers the reactor’s core. Amid the worst nuclear disaster in US history, it takes Pennsylvania authorities three days to advise pregnant women & children to evacuate. Thousands flee the Harrisburg area. The men — apparently born macho mutants — hang around for their daily dose.

  43. Cloggie on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 11:24 am 

    Growing up in that area I spent a lot of time in the nearby sewers. That explains my schizophrenia and my massive pen-
    collection.

  44. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 11:30 am 

    Is Trump not just a sociopath, but also a sadist?
    The Fat Boy is sick and dumb, but what do you think?

  45. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 28th Mar 2020 11:35 am 

    Theater director Joel Berkowitz tweets, “My 12 year-old while out on a walk: ‘At least with all the schools closed, there won’t be any school shootings for awhile.’”

  46. Rick on Fri, 3rd Apr 2020 4:22 pm 

    There are a lot of doctors and nurses dying from the COVID-19. And there are others putting their lives on the line to try to do their job. And Trump doesn’t give a damn about anyone but himself.

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