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The downfall of ‘Professor Lockdown”: triumphs and failure of science based policies

Public Policy

 

Scientists normally think that a scientific theory can be good or bad independently of the moral status of the person who proposes it. But in politics, the messenger can be blamed. That was the probable reason for the downfall of Dr. Neil Ferguson, nicknamed “Professor Lockdown,” whose moral position was destroyed by a petty sexual scandal. For most scientists, Dr, Ferguson’s personal misbehavior has no relevance to the validity of his models, but for politicians and for the public, it does. A lot.

You all read the story of the downfall of Professor Neil Ferguson, aka “Professor Lockdown” trashed worldwide in the media for having had his lover, Ms. Antonia Staats, visiting him during the lockdown period that he himself had recommended for everybody else. It was a blessing for tabloids and there is no doubt that Dr. Ferguson deserved much of the scorn and the ridicule that was poured on him. Yet, there are some elements in this story that make it different from an ordinary story of philandering.

Let’s review what we know: it seems that Ms. Staat and Dr. Ferguson met first over an internet site and then it was Staat who went to visit Ferguson at his home in London, and the same Staat who told the story to friends who, in turn, diffused it around. These encounters took place about one month before the story was revealed in the media. Ferguson didn’t deny the media reports and he immediately apologized and resigned from his post of government advisor in epidemiologic matters.

I don’t know about you, but. to me, all this looks like a trap, sounds like a trap, even smells like a trap. So, it probably was a trap. Ferguson fell head first in it and he was neatly skewered. Of course, I am not the only one who smelled the rat: there have been plenty of speculations about who actually decided to push Dr. Ferguson under the bullet train and to do that one month after that the events that caused his downfall took place. The most common hypothesis seems to be that it was done by the British government as an expedient to distract the public from the news of the UK having the highest number of coronavirus deaths in Europe. Others think of a disagreement between the government and Ferguson, with the former wanting to ease the lockdown and the latter refusing to support that.

Whatever the case, we are not talking here about a somewhat despicable professor who flouted a few moral rules. It is all about the political struggle that underlies the coronavirus story. It was Ferguson who told the UK government that they were facing a stark choice: either to accept a huge number of victims, maybe half a million of them, or to wreck the UK economy. The government chose the second strategy, probably thinking it was the least damaging one. Several other European governments, for instance, the Italian one, patterned their response to the crisis on the basis of the views expressed by Ferguson.

And here we have the interesting point: going into lockdown was one of the very few cases — perhaps the only case in history —  of a major policy choice made on the basis of a scientific model. It was a huge novelty because, normally, politicians ignore scientists and vice-versa. There are good reasons for the two categories to keep some social distance between them: science and politics use different languages to model reality. Science speaks in terms of data, politics uses narrative.

There follows that if you want to use a scientific model for political purposes, you must translate it into a different language — the language of politics. That means turning quantitative models into narratives. And here we have the problem. A big, large, huge, humungous problem, since there is no “Google Translate” service that smoothly turns scientific results into policy choices. When people speak different languages they are bound to misunderstand each other, sometimes with disastrous results.

So, Dr. Ferguson’s recommendations about the opportunity of a strict lockdown were translated into politics and the lockdown became a narrative: a moral tale of good and bad behavior. People were told that if they didn’t follow the lockdown rules, they were not just breaking the law, they were evil for putting the life of their neighbors at risk.

That worked nicely in the UK and almost everywhere in the world, with people accepting in good faith to be locked into their homes for the sake of a greater good. But there was a problem: it soon became clear that the lockdown was doing great damage to the very people it was supposed to protect. Stuck in small spaces, often without a job, without money, and without perspectives, people’s health was badly affected. We can’t yet estimate how many life-years were lost because of the lockdown, but wasn’t the solution worsening the problem? Unfortunately, in narrative terms, moral considerations always take precedence over cost-benefit analyses, and so the question couldn’t be asked in the public debate. But surely it was present in the mind of policymakers.

Then, it started becoming clear that Ferguson’s model had big problems. It was a hodgepodge of lines of code put together as needed, never comprehensively documented, never independently tested, never having undergone a sensitivity analysis. As far as I can say from my personal experience with modeling, it was a model good enough for academic research, but hardly a tool that could be used to guide the policy of a national government. The problem was that there was no way to test if the model was correct or not. What if the model had badly overestimated the effectiveness of the lockdown, as some elements seemed to indicate?

Now, let’s assume that someone in the upper echelons understood that the case for the lockdown was not at all so clear cut as it had seemed to be at the beginning. Then, a huge problem appears. The government couldn’t just tell people, “oops… folks, we made a mistake. We beggared you for no reason.” Think in narrative terms, as politicians do, and remember that the lockdown had been framed as morally and ethically as “good” while no lockdown it as “evil.” The politician who proposes to end the lockdown would be seen as evil himself/herself.

There follows, as politicians know, that the way to change policies is to change the narrative. That has rules, just as science has rules. Typically, evil cannot be turned into good (Sauron can be defeated but not turned into Gandalf’s friend). But it is possible to turn good into evil when a supposed good guy turns out to be actually evil (Saruman the White, who turns into Sauron’s ally). And that’s the key: turn the good guy into the bad guy and then the narrative can be changed.

Then, everything makes sense: take the person who proposed the lockdown, Neil Ferguson, and turn him into an evil, amoral, egoistic, and reckless man. That can’t have been difficult: mounting a petty sexual scandal surely poses no problems for a national government. Of course, we have no proof that this is exactly what happened, but the gist of the story is clear: Ferguson’s head had to roll. And it had to roll as noisily as possible. Afterward, the whole edifice that the former good guy had built can be targeted at will with the heavy artillery of the media.

It seems to be what’s happening. Not only Ferguson is being shredded to pieces (actually, all the way down to atomic particles), but also his work is being massively and aggressively criticized. Note what Elon Musk said about him: “This guy has caused massive strife to the world with his absurdly fake ‘science.” We’ll have to see how things will evolve in the coming days but right now, if things keep moving in this direction, the lockdown is a dead hippo in the water. And so be it: it had to be.

From this story, we can also learn something about the climate debate. You see on the image at the beginning of this post how the enemies of climate science had no qualms in associating Neil Ferguson with Michael Mann, a climate scientist often targeted with all sorts of smears and lies. Fortunately, Mann has been able to avoid, so far, to get entangled in some stupid scandal, but scientists as a category came under attack for lack of coherency when they use planes for their international meetings where they recommend people to stop using fossil fuels. No government ever implemented serious science-based policy choices about climate, although many of them claimed to have done that. But if something serious were ever to be done to follow the recommendations of climate science, you might see a much nastier backlash against climate scientists.

Will we ever able to blend science and politics together? For sure, it looks like a very difficult task. We need nothing less than a completely different political language, a way of debating that would search for common ground instead of focusing only on shooting down the bad guy of the story. But that will take time, to say the least. And, in the meantime, we keep navigating toward the future thinking that the reefs don’t exist if they are not mentioned in the media.

A comment from Mr. Kunning-Druger, Ugo Bardi’s personal troll.

Glad to see that you finally recognize at least some of your many mistakes, Mr. Bardi. And the mistakes made by this friend of yours, this despicable Mr. Ferguson — despicable indeed, as you say. And you even have the gall to tell us that he created a model that is “good enough for academic research, but not reliable enough to be used as a policy tool.” Why don’t you say things the way they are: that model is crap. Yeah, stuff that comes out of a bull’s rear end. And you gave yourself away when you said, “good enough for academic research.” Shameful: you scientists spend public money to publish academic papers just thinking of your academic careers and then you take planes to go to academic meetings and enjoy nightlife and cocktails at the expense of the taxpayers! And then you think you can tell us what to do. You even think you can tell the government to lock everyone in jail as if we were criminals. But it is not the people who are criminals: it is you and your fellow scientists who are criminals. Now, this scandal about the coronavirus is going to really destroy you — and I can split an infinitive here, just like the public will split your gang and have all of you truly skewered, not just in a metaphorical sense, ha! This is the end of the whole scam called “climate science” and you know that very well. Mankind can thank Mr. Ferguson for this: at least he made it clear what kind of people those “scientists” (so to say) are. Ugly, amoral, reckless, evil, power-hungry monsters — not surprising that they ganged up together to create the scam called “global warming” just to fill their pockets with public money. Make no mistake: we’ll remember this scandal. It is the beginning of the end of fake science and scientists.



18 Comments on "The downfall of ‘Professor Lockdown”: triumphs and failure of science based policies"

  1. Anonymouse on Sat, 9th May 2020 11:15 am 

    I have to question the idea that the ‘government’, was hoodwinked into this lockdown policy and are now looking for a way out? Really? If this is the case, why did every fooking single government there is on the entire planet, with very few exceptions, fall into the lockdown line they way they have? Did this Ferguson guy really wield that level of influence? I find that hard to accept. The fact these fraudulent measures were adopted whole over pretty much entire world with little or no variation, suggests something more at play than a pile of scientifically ignorant governments that all implemented bad some policy measures based on dubious science from one single shady operator in the UK.

    At least, this is how I am reading Mr Bardi’s explanation. From the ground here, I dont see any indication the regime in Ottawa, or any of the 10 provinces, seem to be in ANY hurry to ease anything. They’ve even implied restrictions out to 2022. Since the ‘virus’ is doing little or no harm now, why 2022? No one is saying.

    I hardly see what setting this guy up accomplishes now, with governments clearly enjoying all the ‘protective measures’ they have put in place. And its not just governments having a field day. Every grocery clerk and store manager seem to be enjoying the ‘power’ they’ve’ suddenly accrued. I see a lot of would-be dictator jerkoffs throwing their weight around acting like they think they are the law. Making people stand outdoors in the rain for hours for no reason at stores, and generally treat everyone like lepers for, no reason whatsoever. The hospitals are actually pretty quiet because the regime cleared them out for Covid ‘patients’ they new full well would never materialize. Result? Backlogs of elective surgeries that will take years to clear. Probably kill more people waiting for surgeries they were supposed to get than any fucking flu virus.

    Tell you what else they really like about this. Governments everywhere have gotten a big holiday from protests, of any kind. Whether its tar-sands protests in Canada, or Yellow Vests in France. Regimes everywhere, no longer have to deal with public protests over their ‘other’ bad policies. You know why?

    Cause we are all in this covid pys-ops together doncha knows….

  2. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 9th May 2020 11:20 am 

    Hint:
    The prospects for most Americans look very grim.

  3. e on Sat, 9th May 2020 11:48 am 

    Anonymouse on Sat, 9th May 2020 11:15 am
    supertard,
    as a long time watcher of you and witness the hate you have for supertard being a canadian with inferior complex when compared to a more powerful neigbor, i will try to engage you in order for us to understand moar

    btw, that was deliberate distraction to diseducate the tards and supertards. only those who are willing to take a beating can proceed.

    my credentials:
    tard researcher, first to credit whitey supertard president trump as intelligent by use of low english: muzzie died like a dog.

    first to call out whitey supertard scientific supremacist “thunderf00t” going on self quarantine that it smellz. first to call for amputation of this whitey supertard scientific supremacist by some 20000 light year in advance.

    first to observe that weinstein story ran for 2 years, muzzielove virus will run for at least 1 but now looking like 2 years.

    first to realize the cult of social networking for the last two decades that resulted in total compliance of supertards, the alliance of big sys, big muzzies, big libs for the bagging of all big sys starting with NZ PM ahearn. this compliance means we all follow the news from “royal” institution who use exclusively high british english for the love of supremacist muzzies.

    first to call out supertard der – FBI investigate as routine newbie agents sent to do distraction work and first to demand photographic proof of probing.

    first to admit of high education BA in physics liberal arts (very useless) but nevertheless 2000000 lightyear ahead of poorly educated high school level supertard madcat.

    therefore:

    in a globally connected world and controlled under the thumb of big sys, the repeated brainwashing (2 years and maybe 4 years), the irrelevancy of tards, the repeated exercises prior to beervirus, the stupidity of world population who don’t understand science has created this situation.

    when you give your money to big corps, this is what you get. big corps run by big sys who promply comply to big muzzielove for fear of liability and using the action to sell good feelings of “corporate responsibility”.

    the solution is amputate all supremacist muzzies starting with muzzie imams. also ask for promp amputation of whitey sueprtard scientific supremacist “thunderf00t”.

    Ban high british english for the love of supremaict muzzies

    mandate chip implants of all whitey supertards to disrupt thought lasting longer than 1 sec. the damages they did and continue to do so justify this

    mandate license to think for whitey supertard

    these two are in the realm of politics and it can be done. 20 years ago with have movies on TV roasting muzzies, now we love supremacist muzzies on TV. Big change.

    right now whitey supertard scientific supremacists roam wild. in 2028, they will be fitted with devices to interrupt thoughts

    i submit tard research for your consideration

  4. whoa supremacist muzzies jerk double rainbow all the way across the sky so intense whoa it begins to look like a triple rainbow oh god oh what does it mean WDIM on Sat, 9th May 2020 11:57 am 

    this is my master treaties. i don’t waste time on this forum. it’s lame. this treaties is about love for supremacist muzzies

    muzzie bribe went with isis to make babies and now want to go back. what the world going to. this is ok but supertard big muzzie beard SAWS swt pbuh is banned from UK and harrassed by AA.

    muzzie curse kufar in vice documentary about ramadan but subtitle is excluded for the love of supremacist muzzie. this happens in deerfield michigan. muzzie said it’s peaceful but at the end acted as if typical soft and cudly muzzies do. very ironic

    the knights of columbus were real head breakers true guineas 70000 years after an irishman could not get a job we got the presidency may he rest in peace. the kennedies were muzie lovers so (((supremetard))) didnt’ protect them and they die slowly.

    but now the irishman is back and whitey supertard president michael flynn (the honest one) is going to love muzzies and amputate them all. love can be in many forms and bringing muzzies closer to muhamad the pedifler to get virgins and boys is a form of ultimate love.

    one has to wonder why little tiny small big brother joe never mentioned whitey supertard president michael flynn and why the investigation wasn’t about muzzies but that’s the goal, destroy muzzie lovers by going after them in some other ways – like love for putin

    cui bono? one wonder the extend of muzzie infiltration and why did little small tiny big brother joe “reverted” to muzzie like john brennen

    now it is ramadan and very peaceful. so far 72 kabooms and 262 went to see muhadmad the pedifler. after 15 days, 15 more to go.

    muzzies get extra credits during this time so when they go for your neck, muzzie only being friendly. this actual advice is not mine though

    and now the muzzielove virus with corona. corona is a (((supremetard))) beer. pay close attention, there’s a cross in the logo. so why muzzies destroy it? we need to go back to whitey supertard scientfic supremacist “thunderf00t” who should be amputated for muzzie lovin and spreading scientific supremacism. when this whitey supertard imposed self quarantine i said it smellz. that was many moons ago and i was first as usual to smell BS 20000 light years away.

    then we have whitey supertard “royal” instituiotn who ran model predicting muzzielove virus. then admited it wrong and went to boink married gf and lost job.

    ask yourslef if someone speak exclusively high british english, chances are they love muzzies? of course they love muzies and that’s why i’m pushing low english. it’s more trustworthy. muzzies benefits in all this.

    churches closed but muzzie mosque open. and all the rapes in UK was “by all ethics” no mention of muzzies which brexit about to amputate.

    supertard big muzzie beard SAWS pbuh swt reported muzzies in ger comprise of 40% of jizya payment to the tune of 4 billion euros per month. with that money they could go REAL GREEN or FAKE GREEN, it doesn’t matter that would’d been prosperious without the rapey rapey and stabby muzzies. The scale of jizya is incredible. it’s all out in the open if you just listen to the UK muzzie andy choudary and find out. he quoted muzzie doctrine to take jizya from kufar.

    muzzie sabotage airliner and got loved 1000x in the form of reporting of “union dispute”. supertard big muzzie beard SAWS pbuh swtreported it’s actually jihad.

    Then in astralia muzzie with big grin and smug looking face with a hat and meat grinder practically begged to be amputated and put on muzzie hamster wheel. cops love him 100000x more and are puzzled why he did this. i’m scratching my head too which has thinning hair

    Muzzie in NZ allah acbar and went after cop with axe. Cops loved muzzie 10000x love conquer all. No tweet AOC SAWS pbuh swt , not siri Lanka, not when muzzie shot 6 cops on philadelphia. 25 billion tweet on Christchurch though

    then there we deceptions of deep green, real green, deep deep green, fake fake green, and all the permutations of green. when AOC SAWS pbuh swt – (ZOMG i’m amazed at the technology in a sink food grinder) failed, the greta SAWS pbuh swt deception kicked in. I belived everything even the fantastic flying goat story.

    for many years, centuries, million, quadrillion of years since (((supremetard))) SAWS pbuh swt created heaven and earth and before supertards SAWS pbuh swt big muzzie beard and glenn roberts put up web sites, i warned tards and supertards about muzzies.

    i made no progress sort of like banging head against concrete, concrete wins everytime

    but then i “reverted” to a supremacist muzzie jerk and I’m the best of humanity allah has created. i wear a muzzie dress and i pee sitting down holding up the bathroom line. this made supertard SAWS pbuh swt have bladder infection but the love for muzzies only intensified.

    and now i have superpower, big goat SAWS pbuh swt is feeling intense heat. all stops are pulled it seems – even supertard Robert Inget the controlled libtard opposition is deployed to censor me. but uppertard SAWS pbuh swt is not going to destroy free speech for someones love of muzzie. supertard SIS SAWS pbuh swt dropped the appeal and that’s final. it’s now as good as case law. supertard SIS SAWS pbuh is back being occupied with his bunker and learjet and auto keltecs and he said absolutely do not bother him. so it’s set in stone that uppertard SAWS swt pbuh is not going to modify this forum

  5. e on Sat, 9th May 2020 12:15 pm 

    when you have big sys running the show you no longer have free BIG BOOBS look into the future of NZ big sys aheard but no exposed skin and only a obscured grate to breath through. there’s no point to live without big boobs so i hope to be cilled (control or killed) way before that.

    big lib, big muzzie, big muzie lovers, big supertards are all attack dogs for big sys.

    the knowledge that’s lost is that government is of and by consent of the people. when whitey supertard president paul said he’s the new (((supremetard))) without saying so and he said “no free lunch”. This is in response to big sys (mrs. Paul) urging him to “toss them some free morsels” and only a few tards (nixon included) understood we know the republic is dead.

    we know government is soft. no amputation of all muzzies starting with muzzie imams.

    we know knowledge is lost that government is only by consent when whitey supertard president bundy rallied the troops who prayed to (((supremetard))) before going to battle.

    we now consent by default and this is like turtle all the way down. it’s consent to love supremacist muzzies all the way down

    not even the slaughterhouse ran by muzzies taking time off for ramadan and empty stomach can convicne supertards from loving muzzies more

  6. Davy on Sat, 9th May 2020 12:18 pm 

    So true whoa supremacist muzzies jerk double rainbow all the way across the sky so intense whoa it begins to look like a triple rainbow oh god oh what does it mean WDIM. So true.

  7. JuanP on Sat, 9th May 2020 12:22 pm 

    true so so whoa supremacist muzzies jerk double rainbow all the way across the sky so intense whoa it begins to look like a triple rainbow oh god oh what does it mean WDIM. So true.

  8. JuanP on Sat, 9th May 2020 12:23 pm 

    What a stupid fucking comment Anon:

    “I have to question the idea that the ‘government’, was hoodwinked into this lockdown policy and are now looking for a way out? Really? If this is the case, why did every fooking single government there is on the entire planet, with very few exceptions, fall into the lockdown line they way they have? Did this Ferguson guy really wield that level of influence? I find that hard to accept. The fact these fraudulent measures were adopted whole over pretty much entire world with little or no variation, suggests something more at play than a pile of scientifically ignorant governments that all implemented bad some policy measures based on dubious science from one single shady operator in the UK.”

  9. JuanP on Sat, 9th May 2020 12:28 pm 

    when you have big sys running the show you no longer have free BIG BOOBS look into the future of NZ big sys aheard but no exposed skin and only a obscured grate to breath through. there’s no point to live without big boobs so i hope to be cilled (control or killed) way before that.
    i made no progress sort of like banging head against concrete, concrete wins everytime

    but then i “reverted” to a supremacist muzzie jerk and I’m the best of humanity allah has created. i wear a muzzie dress and i pee sitting down holding up the bathroom line. this made supertard SAWS pbuh swt have bladder infection but the love for muzzies only intensified.

    and now i have superpower, big goat SAWS pbuh swt is feeling intense heat. all stops are pulled it seems – even supertard Robert Inget the controlled libtard opposition is deployed to censor me. but uppertard SAWS pbuh swt is not going to destroy free speech for someones love of muzzie. supertard SIS SAWS pbuh swt dropped the appeal and that’s final. it’s now as good as case law. supertard SIS SAWS pbuh is back being occupied with his bunker and learjet and auto keltecs and he said absolutely do not bother him. so it’s set in stone that uppertard SAWS swt pbuh is not going to modify this forum

    and now the muzzielove virus with corona. corona is a (((supremetard))) beer. pay close attention, there’s a cross in the logo. so why muzzies destroy it? we need to go back to whitey supertard scientfic supremacist “thunderf00t” who should be amputated for muzzie lovin and spreading scientific supremacism. when this whitey supertard imposed self quarantine i said it smellz. that was many moons ago and i was first as usual to smell BS 20000 light years away.

    then we have whitey supertard “royal” instituiotn who ran model predicting muzzielove virus. then admited it wrong and went to boink married gf and lost job.

    ask yourslef if someone speak exclusively high british english, chances are they love muzzies? of course they love muzies and that’s why i’m pushing low english. it’s more trustworthy. muzzies benefits in all this.

    churches closed but muzzie mosque open. and all the rapes in UK was “by all ethics” no mention of muzzies which brexit about to amputate.

    supertard big muzzie beard SAWS pbuh swt reported muzzies in ger comprise of 40% of jizya payment to the tune of 4 billion euros per month. with that money they could go REAL GREEN or FAKE GREEN, it doesn’t matter that would’d been prosperious without the rapey r

    big lib, big muzzie, big muzie lovers, big supertards are all attack dogs for big sys.

  10. Anonymouse on Sat, 9th May 2020 12:34 pm 

    Shut up davy, what a complete loser and retard you are. Sign your own stupid shit under your own stupid name or dont say anyting at all, stupid. Which, lets be charitable here, you saying nothing at all would be best. Better still, if you just went away for good, which is what we all would like to see, dumbass.

    I’ll say one thing for you. You make manage to make stupid seem so effortless.

  11. whoa supremacist muzzies jerk double rainbow all the way across the sky so intense whoa it begins to look like a triple rainbow oh god oh what does it mean WDIM ohhhh (((supremtard))) on Sat, 9th May 2020 12:37 pm 

    Anonymouse on Sat, 9th May 2020 12:34 pm

    Shut up davy, what a complete loser and retard you are. Sign your own stupid shit under your own stupid name or dont say anyting at all, stupid. Which, lets be charitable here, you saying nothing at all would be best. Better still, if you just went away for good, which is what we all would like to see, dumbass.

    I’ll say one thing for you. You make manage to make stupid seem so effortless.

    i’m going on permanent retirement
    i’ll be back in a week or so

  12. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 10th May 2020 8:27 am 

    Ventilators are worthless to fight corona:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/05/jon-rappoport/covid-breathing-ventilators-new-york-death-rate/

    “A recent study from the Journal of the American Medical Association Network delivers numbers that should make you stop and think—

    JAMA Network, April 22, 2020, “Presenting Characteristics, Comorbidities, and Outcomes Among 5700 Patients Hospitalized With COVID-19 in the New York City Area”:

    “Mortality rates for those who received mechanical ventilation in the 18-to-65 and older-than-65 age groups were 76.4% and 97.2%, respectively. Mortality rates for those in the 18-to-65 and older-than-65 age groups who did not receive mechanical ventilation were 19.8% and 26.6%, respectively.””

    Again, normal healthy people can easily deal with corona. Most people who die from corona, were already ill and corona give the little extra push into the grave.

    You gotta die of something, individual life is not eternal.

  13. Anonymouse on Sun, 10th May 2020 11:14 am 

    Exactly cloggedAnus. You gotta die of something. So why don’t you get to work on making that happen, and the sooner the better would be ideal. Ask empire dave for help. He is suffering from dementia and delusions not unlike you, and he often entertains suicidal thoughts. Im sure if the both of you combined your 4 or 5 working brain-cells, you could find a way to end your misery, (and ours) once and for all.

    And do it soon would you, like, today soon.

  14. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 10th May 2020 12:08 pm 

    “And do it soon would you, like, today soon.”

    Shoeshine boy is entirely consumed by hate and openly fantasizes about death of “fellow” forum members. Won’t be long until we finally get rid of you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA9aSvHzEIU

    How is the home search in Atlanta proceeding? Avoid the rush and move now! Friendly advice.

  15. Abraham van Helsing on Sun, 10th May 2020 12:11 pm 

    “Shut up davy, what a complete loser and retard you are. Sign your own stupid shit under your own stupid name or dont say anyting at all, stupid. Which, lets be charitable here, you saying nothing at all would be best. Better still, if you just went away for good, which is what we all would like to see, dumbass”

    Empire dave has been harassed by anonymous and JuanP for years now. And yet he claims that it is a good idea to let ever larger numbers of immigrants into the country and calls everybody a racist who opines otherwise (but he has a flight path to white Italy under in his drawer).

    Some people can’t be helped.

  16. Anonymouse on Sun, 10th May 2020 12:23 pm 

    Exactly juanPussy. You gotta die of something. So why don’t you get to work on making that happen, and the sooner the better would be ideal. Ask old bat makati for help. He is suffering from dementia and delusions not unlike you, and he often entertains suicidal thoughts. Im sure if the both of you combined your 4 or 5 working brain-cells, you could find a way to end your misery, (and ours) once and for all.

    And do it soon would you, like, today soon.

  17. Anonymouse on Sun, 10th May 2020 12:28 pm 

    “Empire dave has been harassed by anonymous and JuanP for years now. And yet he claims that it is a good idea to let ever larger numbers of immigrants into the country and calls everybody a racist who opines otherwise (but he has a flight path to white Italy under in his drawer).”

    cloggedAnus, Davy has been calling for Juan’s deportation for a couple of years now. I am a west coast Canadian so fuck you.

  18. JuanP on Sun, 10th May 2020 12:30 pm 

    oh shit ive caught the ‘rona!
    liquid farts all morning and even the coffee is not helping

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