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“Oil for development” budget, challenges and opportunities

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Iran has recently announced that its next fiscal year’s budget is going to be set with less reliance on oil revenues.

Last week, Head of the Country’s Budget and Planning Organization (BPO) Mohammad Baqer Nobakht said “In the next year’s budget – it starts on March 19, 2020 – oil revenues will be only spent for development projects and acquisition of capital asset, and not even one rial is going to go to government expenditures and other areas.”

At first glance, the idea is very appealing and it seems if the government manages to pull it off, it will be a significant step for Iran in its movement toward an oil-independent economy. However, it seems that cutting oil revenues from the budget and allocating them only to a specific part of the country’s expenditures is not going to be an easy task.

Although, BPO has already suggested various substitute sources of revenue to replace those of oil, some experts believe that the offered alternatives are not practical in the short-term.

So, how successful will the government be in executing this plan? What are the challenges in the way of this program? What are the chances for it to become fully practical next year?

To answer such questions and to have a clearer idea of the notion, let’s take a more detailed look into this [so called] ambitious program.

The history of “oil for development”

It is not the first time that such a program is being offered in Iran. Removing oil revenues from the budget and allocating it to development projects goes way back in Iran’s modern history.

In 1927, the Iranian government at the time, decided to go through with a plan for removing oil revenues from the budget, so a bill was approved based on which oil incomes were merely allocated to the country’s development projects.

This law was executed until the year 1939 in which the plan was once again overruled due to what was claimed to be “financial difficulties”.

Since then up until recently, Iran has been heavily reliant on its oil revenues for managing the country’s expenses. However, in the past few years, and in the face of the U.S. sanctions, the issue of oil being used as a political weapon, made the Iranian authorities to, once again, think about reducing the country’s reliance on oil revenues.

In the past few years, Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei has repeatedly emphasized the need for reducing reliance on oil and has tasked the government to find ways to move toward an oil-independent economy.

Now that Iran has once again decided to try the “oil for development” plan, the question is, what can be changed in a program that was aborted 80 years ago to make it more compatible with the country’s current economic needs and conditions.

The substitute sources of income

Shortly after BPO announced its decision for cutting the oil revenues from the next year’s budget, the Head of the organization Mohammad-Baqer Nobakht listed three alternative sources of income to offset oil revenues in the budget planning.

According to the official, elimination of hidden energy subsidies, using government assets to generate revenue and increasing tax incomes would be the main sources of revenues to compensate for the cut oil incomes.

In theory, the mentioned replacements for oil revenues, not only can generate a significant amount of income, but they could, in fact, be huge contributors to the stability of the country’s economy in the long run.

For instance, considering the energy subsidies, it is obvious that allocating huge amounts of energy and fuel subsidies is not a good strategy to follow.

In 2018, Iran ranked first among the world’s top countries in terms of the number of subsidies which is allocated to energy consumption with $69 billion of subsidies allocated for various types of energy consumption including oil, natural gas, and electricity.

Based on data from the International Energy Agency (IEA), the total amount of allocated subsidies in Iran equals 15 percent of the country’s total GDP.

The budget that is allocated for subsidies every year could be spent in a variety of more purposeful, more fruitful areas. The country’s industry should compete in order to grow, people must learn to use more wisely and to protect the environment.

However, practically speaking, all the above-mentioned alternatives are in fact long term programs that take time to become fully operational. A huge step like eliminating hidden subsidiaries cannot be taken over a one or event two-year period.

The development aspect

One big aspect of the government’s current decision is the “development” part of the equation.

A big chunk of the country’s revenues is going to be spent on this part and so the government is obliged to make sure to choose such “development” projects very wisely.

Deciding to allocate a huge part of the country’s income on a specific sector, makes it more prone to corruption, and therefore, a plan which is aimed to help the country’s economy could become a deteriorating factor in itself if not wisely executed.

The question here is, “Is the government going to spend oil money on all the projects which are labeled as ‘development’ even if they lack the technical, economic and environmental justification?”

So, the government needs to screen development projects meticulously and eliminate the less vital ones and then plan according to the remaining truly-important projects.

Final thoughts

Even if the “oil-free” budget is a notion that seems a little ambitious at the moment, and even if there are great challenges in the way of its realization, but the decision itself is a huge step toward a better future for Iran’s economy. Although realizing this plan seems fairly impossible in the short-term, it surely can be realized with proper planning and consideration in the long term.

Sooner or later Iran has to cut off the ties of reliance on oil incomes and start moving toward a vibrant, dynamic and oil-free economy; a journey of which the first step has been already taken.

Tehran Times



123 Comments on "“Oil for development” budget, challenges and opportunities"

  1. Davy on Fri, 18th Oct 2019 5:58 pm 

    “£134,000 SOLAR car”

    Wow, that is a smart use of limited resources. LOL. More like an expensive toy than a game changer. Move On Please

  2. Davy on Fri, 18th Oct 2019 6:38 pm 

    Looks like cloggo was right again. I’m so sorry for being such a big mouth dumbass y’all.

  3. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 2:17 am 

    “Wow, that is a smart use of limited resources. LOL. More like an expensive toy than a game changer. Move On Please”

    As a self-styled economic and financial genius, I hope you realize this is a PROTOTYPE and that the price of the first 1500 cars is completely irrelevant as an indicator for the potential for the future.

    5 m2 solar cells are inherently cheap. The upshot is you need far less charging stations.

    But as I said before, you (and makati) systematically talk down everything, the living embodiment of US decline. And you know what, as a European I’m comfortable with your decline.

  4. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 2:34 am 

    “Plane made in India”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/business/boeing-flight-simulator-text-message.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    “Boeing Pilot Complained of ‘Egregious’ Issue With 737 Max in 2016”

    “In the messages, the pilot, Mark Forkner, who played a central role in the development of the plane, complained that the system, known as MCAS, was acting unpredictably in a flight simulator: “It’s running rampant.”

    I’m about to complete my (English) breakfast and walk from the Liverpool Street station business area through the impressive Imperial City to Westminster.

    Message to BoJo: are you sure you really want “Global Britain”, an inner contradiction anyway?

    The last thing I want is Global Holland. I want a European Holland and be a member of a civilization among civilizations in the mold of Samuel Huntington and let “racism!” howlers like empire dave smother in his own globalist stew.

  5. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 2:53 am 

    Everybody has enough of Brexit, bring it on!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7589705/Daily-Mail-poll-reveals-Britain-wants-MPs-stop-delay-Boris-Johnson.html

    “Do the deal! Poll reveals Britain wants MPs to stop the delay and back Boris Johnson today after his Brexit breakthrough”

    …and terminate the 1945-West and at least prepare for the 1948 world map of George Orwell (“1984”):

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/which-future-world/

    (Bottom map. Orwell had the timing and Turkey wrong, for the rest he was correct)

    And IF and only IF US deplorables revolt, Anglos can hope to escape mongrelization, their globalist circumsized oligarch owners have in store for them.

  6. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 3:30 am 

    Brexit Super Saturday live:

    https://youtu.be/0rkixKUMiTI

    Splendid weather.

  7. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 3:53 am 

    PM Johnson live in the Commons.

    Illustrating once again the real reason of Brexit: membership of a geopolitical club, not economic advantage. It’s about (globalist) identity and destiny. Britain wanted to be member of the Common Market, but not of a federal Europe. And since the EU is NOT the USSR, Britain is free to go.

    Brexit is the consequence of…

    – 500 years Splendid Isolation policies
    – Island mentality
    – WW1/WW2 opposing continental Europe
    – global British Empire
    – the presence of a huge English speaking world, an alternative for Europe
    – the desire for continuation of 2 centuries Anglo dominance
    – a Celtic-Germanic racial ground text, uncomfortable with a Germanic dominated Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Celtic_expansion_in_Europe.png

  8. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 4:08 am 

    The advantages for Europe from Brexit are enormous:

    – Incorporate Russia into the continental European world as is its ambition since Peter the Great, giving us the numbers and weapons to eclipse Anglo-Zionism
    – Rightwing Europe may have lost from the leftist-globalist US-UK-USSR coalition in 1945, today the cards are distributed radically different: Russia and France and the rest of Europe are now on the side of Germany. We already won without a shot fired. Europe is about to reassert itself as the united home of the white race, in 2019 a dirty word, thanks to decades of kosher globalist diversity propaganda.
    – Very few people understand that ENERGY is the single most important geopolitical determinant. Two centuries of Anglo dominance are rooted in early adoption of coal/steam and oil/gas. Energy is a multiplier of population base. A single Brit operating a 20 kW steam engine is the equivalent of 20 Brits. Count your blessings, London. Fossil fuel is now correctly demonized as a planet killer and in all likelihood Europe will be the first to achieve a 100% renewable energy base. Count your blessings, Brussels.

    Brexit, bring it on.

  9. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 4:49 am 

    “Wow, that is a smart use of limited resources. LOL. More like an expensive toy than a game changer. Move On Please” “As a self-styled economic and financial genius, I hope you realize this is a PROTOTYPE and that the price of the first 1500 cars is completely irrelevant as an indicator for the potential for the future.”
    Cloggo, I use finance on this forum to keep your fantaiesy honest. You are the biggest exaggerator and embellisher on this forum. You make wild statements about yourself, Eurotardland, and tech that need moderation. As usual you have been moderated and now whining.

    “5 m2 solar cells are inherently cheap. The upshot is you need far less charging stations.”
    Bullshit, cloggo, a 134,000 euro car is a waste of money plain and simple. It is a great idea to power a EV with panels but don’t be dumb and make a car with panels intending to run it efficiently. I would add panel could be incorporated cheaply into a car for other uses like when one is stopped and one wants to run devices, lights or make heat.

    “But as I said before, you (and makati) systematically talk down everything, the living embodiment of US decline. And you know what, as a European I’m comfortable with your decline.”
    Cloggo, you are ahead of me in the line and way ahead of makato in his 3rd world beach house with plastic shit everywhere.

  10. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 4:52 am 

    “The last thing I want is Global Holland. I want a European Holland and be a member of a civilization among civilizations in the mold of Samuel Huntington and let “racism!” howlers like empire dave smother in his own globalist stew.”

    Oh, cloggo, I am married to an Italian and my daughter is Spanish. They are far more accepting of global movement of people then I am. This is true of many Euros. I might add if I were to show them your comments they would consider you disgusting as most normal people do except some fringe elements out there and on this board.

  11. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 4:54 am 

    “The advantages for Europe from Brexit are enormous:”

    It is a huge economic downside for Europe and a blow to its prestige with no advantages. I imagine more will follow and they will have learned from UK mistakes.

  12. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:15 am 

    “I imagine more will follow and they will have learned from UK mistakes.”

    You have a rich imagination indeed. After Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, you, as the wannabee “policeman of the world”, have become the laughing stock of the world.

    Note that England, hands down the most Euro-skeptic country in Europe, STILL has not managed to escape from European orbit, so let’s not cry victory too soon. They might find out too early that they are aspiring in joining a club (Anglosphere) that is about to fall apart.

    “Oh, cloggo, I am married to an Italian and my daughter is Spanish. They are far more accepting of global movement of people then I am.”

    Because you gave the bad example. Oh and failed, since you fell back on the Ozarks backwater, Deplorable Central.

    If you really want to experience firsthand what Trump voters are really thinking, watch this for 10 minutes, starting at 3:40

    https://youtu.be/ztdZSGcgF84

    Our self-styled 1-percenter globalist and Trump-voter himself (!) empire dave is living in the middle of them, but has little in common, as he is about to find that out himself, the hard way, soon.

    #CW2

  13. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:24 am 

    Der Spiegel hates it, I don’t: the capitulation of the West

    https://images.app.goo.gl/vd2jHMKaWkYNwhiJ9

    Salvini wants to return to power:

    https://www.spiegel.de/plus/italiens-ex-innenminister-matteo-salvini-wenn-er-kommt-dann-ist-er-gott-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000166490214

    Salvini and the majority of Italy are totally uninterested in the schemes the globalist davy’s of this world have in store for them: all the world’s treasures in one big American sack.

    Thanks but no thanks.

  14. supremacist muzzies jerk on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:25 am 

    We need to put global muzzies on trial for genocide against humanity. The trial is to be held by all supertards and last for 10 years. We will invite muzzies and muzzies lovers to participate. We call expert witnesses such as supertard big muzzie beard.

  15. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:48 am 

    “Oh, cloggo, I am married to an Italian and my daughter is Spanish. They are far more accepting of global movement of people then I am.” “Because you gave the bad example. Oh and failed, since you fell back on the Ozarks backwater, Deplorable Central.”
    What kind of answer is that cloggo? More whining because you were neutered. The Ozarks are an excellent choice for what I am doing. I would much rather be here than your overpopulated dutchland in a small little house with nothing to do but live on an Ipad..

    “Our self-styled 1-percenter globalist and Trump-voter himself (!) empire dave is living in the middle of them, but has little in common, as he is about to find that out himself, the hard way, soon. #CW2”
    LOL, cloggo, I voted from Trump because of Hillary and I am proud of it now that we see what Hillary did and is likely still doing to the lunatic Democratic party. I hope Tulsi goes 3rd party and I will vote for her. The lunatics in the democratic party have a winner and they are going to shun her because of the extremist that have taken the party hostage. As for you and your CW2, this is an administrative civil war. You are so fucking stupid to believe shooting will ring out. You live in a fantasy world of extreme unreality mixed with hatred and resentment. You relive WW2 daily because your ass got violated coming with the Nazis and going back with the Allies. What a pathetic piece of shit.

  16. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:49 am 

    “Office Vacancies In China Hit Decade High Amid Economic Turmoil”
    https://tinyurl.com/yytr7qoj z ero hedge

    “A darkening outlook for China’s economy continues to materialize week by week. New data from commercial property group CBRE warns the country’s office vacancy rate has just surged to the highest since the financial crisis of 2007–2008, first reported by Bloomberg. CBRE said the vacancy rate for commercial office space in 17 major cities rose to 21.5% in 3Q19, a level not seen since the global economy was melting down in 2008. Sam Xie, CBRE’s head of research in China, said the recent “spike” in vacancies is one of the worst since the last financial crisis.”

  17. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:49 am 

    An example of extremist liberalism over time. Oh, not that the fly over is much better but the difference is California is an example of extremist saying one thing but a with a different result. Beware of the extremist liberal agenda.

    “The Late Great State Of California”
    https://tinyurl.com/y2p3lrqt mises

    “It’s not that California anymore. We are overregulated and overtaxed and people aren’t so optimistic. People want to leave.”

  18. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:50 am 

    “Ray Dalio Warns Of Looming “Big Sag” That Will Rattle Global Markets”
    https://tinyurl.com/yyuwq8aq zero hedge

    “Dalio: “And as Ben and I–we talk about these things regularly. Like we said there are four kinds of war–as Ben said and we agree: there’s a trade war, there’s a technology war, there’s a currency capital war and there is a geopolitical war. In other words – so that’s a phenomenon that’s happening at the same time. So internally we have a lot more conflict. So now if you play that out, you say this cycle is not — this is the best that we get. This moment. We are at the best the cycle is not going to continue forever — the expansion. you have this sag, then you have elections and you have politics which becomes greater extremity. And so on monetary policy it’s not going to be a so effective. Imagine if you had a downturn and you have it not as effective monetary policy. Then there has to be coordination. So how do you get coordination in this kind of political environment? You have to have a coordination between fiscal and monetary policy to be able to do something. And you can and then you have to have political coordination between the various factors to make decisions of what policy should be. So, I think that that’s the landscape broadly speaking in the world and we are in that kind of self-reinforcing sag. Because as one country — as China slows and United States slows and they all have their headwinds that makes it not as good for the others who deal with those cuts. So that look that’s what the environment looks like to me.”

  19. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:50 am 

    “Researchers Announce A Battery That Runs On Lithium & Carbon Dioxide”
    https://tinyurl.com/y49utzcv clean technica

    “According to PV Magazine, lithium-carbon dioxide is one of several battery technologies known to have an energy density far greater than today’s lithium-ion batteries. But none of them can store electricity reliably over many charge and discharge cycles. Often the problem with such experimental batteries is an accumulation of carbon on the catalyst as the storage device discharges, a process which ultimately leads to failure. “The accumulation of carbon not only blocks the active sites of the catalyst and prevents carbon dioxide diffusion but also triggers electrolyte decomposition in a charged state,” says Alireza Ahmadiparidari, lead author of the paper. To address that issue, the scientists use nanoflakes of molybdenum disulfide as a catalyst at the cathode and a hybrid ionic liquid/dimethyl sulfoxide electrolyte material in an effort to incorporate carbon into the cycling process and prevent such carbon buildup. “Our unique combination of materials helps make the first carbon neutral lithium carbon dioxide battery with much more efficiency and long-lasting cycle life,” says Amin Salehi-Khojin, associate professor of mechanical and industrial engineering at UIC. Here’s the part that will make many readers roll their eyes. The research relies on theoretical calculations to describe the battery’s reversible operation. Nevertheless, the scientists are confident in the importance of their discovery. “This achievement paves the way for the use of CO2 in advanced energy storage systems,” they say in the abstract of their research report. Now the hard work of turning their discovery into reliable, marketable products begins.”

  20. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:50 am 

    “China spurns Venezuelan exports”
    https://tinyurl.com/y4wlbnax petroleum economist

    “China’s appetite to loan Venezuela money against crude supply has, though, waned dramatically. From 2010-13, Venezuela accounted for 64pc of all Chinese loans in Latin America. In contrast, between 2014-17 Venezuelan credit fell to just 17pc of total investment in the region. Since then, China has offered very little credit, instead prioritising oil production from its joint venture projects. “China is caught between a rock and a hard place,” says Michal Meidan, director of the China energy programme at the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies. “It receives Venezuelan crude as repayment for loans and it is a feedstock CNPC sells to the Shandong independents. Also, the Chinese government does not want to appear to be abiding by US sanctions. But, at

  21. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:56 am 

    “Energy Supply System Requirements”
    https://ricefarmer.blogspot.com/

    In a few posts I’ve briefly touched upon the three basic requirements (as I see them) for any energy supply system which sustains a society, state, empire, or civilization, but I have always felt the need to describe it in a bit more detail and in a more formal manner. Such is the purpose of this post. The three requirements are: 1. The system must be self-sustaining. That is, it must pay its own day-to-day running costs. 2. The system must be self-replicating. That is, it must provide the energy for building (and rebuilding/replacing) its own physical infrastructure. These costs are capital expenditures, as opposed to running costs. 3. After satisfying requirements #1 and #2, the system must still have surplus energy with which to power the socioeconomic system. Corollary to #3: The amount of surplus energy supplied to society determines what kind of society/civilization is possible. For example, civilizations based on wood and charcoal will be totally different from, and primitive in comparison with, those based on denser forms of energy such as fossil fuels. This helps explain why industrial civilization is tanking. Not all fossil fuels are created equal, and we are steadily moving from higher-quality, easy-to-extract fossil fuels to lower-quality, hard-to-extract fossil fuels. This transition gradually decreases surplus energy (#3) because there is progressively less surplus energy left after covering the costs in #1 and #2. The situation gets increasingly desperate, as illustrated by, for example, shale oil, which is not even economically viable. Another example would be biofuels, which — because of their low EROI values — cannot satisfy even requirement #1. In other words, if biofuels produced in the first cycle were used to power the machinery, trucks, and biofuel production facilities in the second cycle, the biofuels would run out during the production process, leaving no energy for requirements #2 and #3. This also casts a dark cloud over renewables like wind and solar. Intermittency, variability, and the need for storage, overbuilding, and vast tracts of land, as well as other problems, lead me to believe that they cannot satisfy the three requirements, or at least that they cannot supply enough surplus energy to maintain civilization at this level. And if civilization cannot be maintained at this level, that is bad news for renewables because their infrastructure is built by the industrial system. Another factor is the key difference between fossil fuels and renewables. FFs are actually biofuels created by natural forces. Nature produced the organic materials which served as the feedstock for FFs, gathered them up in colossal quantities, put them in gigantic pressure cookers, and let them stew for millennia. When humans appeared on the Earth, they were already finished. All we have to do is extract them from their underground containers and perform the final processing. Because our energy input is relatively small, the FF energy supply system has yielded a fabulously huge amount of surplus energy. And that is the prodigious power that built our globe-straddling industrial civilization. On the other hand, to make biofuels such as ethanol and biodiesel we must do all that work ourselves. Nature’s only input is sunlight (in the case of FFs, geological forces did the rest), so we have to produce and harvest the feedstock ourselves. As such, our energy inputs are so large that there is much less surplus energy, and in some cases none at all! As I have conceived it, therefore, biofuels are a complete waste of the FF energy used to satisfy requirements #2 and #3. In terms of this energy system, the sensible thing to do is directly use the FFs, and forget about biofuels. The real test of any energy source or combination of sources is not its EROI, but whether it can satisfy the three requirements given above. In other words, it either pulls its own weight (requirements #1 and #2) and supplies surplus energy to society (requirement #3), or it’s simply not an energy source. Many people will say that technological improvements will be made, and they are likely correct. But no matter what improvements are made, they will not cause nature to magically do most of the work for us, as it did with FFs; we still need to supply the inputs ourselves, which means that renewables can never match FFs with regard to requirement #3, i.e., in supplying society with such a large amount of surplus energy.

  22. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 5:57 am 

    Part 2
    Many people insist that we can completely stop using fossil fuels, and power civilization as we know it on renewables alone. Think about that for a minute. Renewable-energy hardware is currently made with FFs, but we are supposedly going to operate, build, and replace all those solar and wind farms, hydroelectric dams, and other energy-producing facilities and equipment with their energy alone, and still have plenty of energy left over to live the high life. I propose that if and when we actually try to do this, we shall find that even if all three requirements are met (which I strongly doubt), the amount of surplus energy will not be big enough to maintain what we have already built. In light of the corollary to #3, that is a very serious problem. It means a long downhill slide to a much simpler lifestyle. As Richard Heinberg would say, the party’s over. Finally, there are several peripheral items I would like to briefly touch upon. 1. I have frequently mentioned “net energy decline.” Net energy is simply a system’s “energy take-home pay” after paying the system’s energy costs. Those costs are requirements #1 and #2. And the “take-home” portion is the surplus energy left to run the economy. 2. Governments and military forces all know that FFs, not renewables, will power the victors. Thus the focus on controlling major oil fields. 3. We often hear that new technologies are going to bless us with new sources of energy, i.e., technology begets energy. I propose that it is actually the other way around. In other words, energy begets technology. Although I concede that technology does aid in obtaining more energy or new sources of energy, it’s important to realize that scientific discovery and technological advances are very highly dependent on the amount of energy we can lavish on research and development. I leave it to readers to imagine how different the world would be if humanity had never gotten beyond the photosynthetic ceiling, and we were still limited to biomass for energy. 4. Hydrogen is not an energy source!

  23. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 6:03 am 

    Uh-oh, American jew tries to block Brexit:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7590721/Boris-Johnson-faces-Super-Saturday-Brexit-showdown.html

    “We need a meaningful vote!’ Boris Johnson blasts Oliver Letwin’s Remainer ‘sabotage’ plot that is set to block his deal today and delay Brexit AGAIN – despite PM coming within touching distance of historic victory”

  24. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 6:15 am 

    America seems to be full with laymen and opinions they are not qualified to support:

    https://ricefarmer.blogspot.com/

    “Energy Supply System Requirements”

    Yet it is good to know that America insists on shooting itself in the foot and as such misses the renewable energy boat and puts itself on a big geopolitical distance.

    The entire world has embraced renewable energy, minus America and Syria.

    Um, I’m sorry, Syria changed its mind.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/climate/syria-joins-paris-agreement.html

    ROFL

  25. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 6:19 am 

    “4. Hydrogen is not an energy source!”

    The rice farmer has just discovered that 1+1=2 and is determined to inform the world about his breathtaking discovery. The world will never be the same again. Where would we be without American rice farmers, I’m asking you?

  26. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 6:25 am 

    “The entire world has embraced renewable energy, minus America and Syria.”

    euroland renewable effort is stalling but not so in the US and the US is very close to the euroland output so cloggo, you are a liar.

  27. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 6:26 am 

    “4. Hydrogen is not an energy source!”

    people like you pretend it is with your wild statements

  28. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 6:33 am 

    “people like you pretend it is with your wild statements”

    STINKING LIAR

    Give me a quote where I said that, you goat farmer knucklehead.

  29. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 6:38 am 

    “The rice farmer has just discovered that 1+1=2 and is determined to inform the world about his breathtaking discovery. The world will never be the same again. Where would we be without American rice farmers, I’m asking you?”

    fuck nut

  30. Davy approves this message on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 6:54 am 

    It makes perfect sense why DavyTurd of the great insignificant State of Missory is incredibly jealous of the largest state economy in the United States, boasting a $3.018 trillion gross state product as of 2018, and as a sovereign nation (2018), California would rank as the world’s fifth largest economy, ahead of India.

    The Turd Blossom is soooo transparent.

  31. JuanP approves this message on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 7:17 am 

    “It makes perfect sense why DavyTurd of the great insignificant State of Missory is incredibly jealous of the largest state economy in the United States, boasting a $3.018 trillion gross state product as of 2018, and as a sovereign nation (2018), California would rank as the world’s fifth largest economy, ahead of India. The Turd Blossom is soooo transparent.”

    Typical low IQ Juanpee only looks at a big number and then compares it in a binary fashion. Juanpee does not look at debt, unfunded liabilities and people flight among many others. He takes my state to compare when the topic was not my state compared to California. It is about the downside of California and California’s trend.

    JuanPee is just a TROLL

  32. makati1 on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 7:49 am 

    FYI: “While more than 100 varieties of rice are now grown in the world, in the US 20 varieties of rice are commercially produced, primarily in the states of Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and California.” WIKI

    WOW! MIssori is a rice producer!

    “Special varieties of rice, such as jasmine rice and basmati rice which are of the aromatic variety, are imported from Thailand, India, and Pakistan, as such varieties have not been evolved in the US; this demand for import is quite substantial and largely to meet the increasing population of the rice-eating ethnic community.”

    Our favorite rice here is Thai Jasmine. About $.40/lb.

    “In 2017, the United States produced 178.2 million cwt of rough rice.” ~20 million tons.

    https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/rice/rice-sector-at-a-glance/

    That means the US has a lot of rice eaters. lol

  33. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 7:58 am 

    WOW! MIssori is a rice producer!”

    Shows how much you know about food production in the US.

  34. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 7:59 am 

    Now in Hyde Park, giant pro-EU demonstration, never seen so many EU flags together and that says something as a former organizer in the Dutch European Movement during my student years and the years after.

    All are white, probably left-liberal.

    Ah well, better this than Lancasters.

  35. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 8:16 am 

    Almost bought me a “Bollocks to Brexit” t-shirt.

  36. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 8:18 am 

    “I’d rather have a Juncker than a bunker mentality”

    LOL

  37. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 8:35 am 

    “IKEA has better cabinets”

  38. joe on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 9:10 am 

    told you the deal would not survive Bercow. now BoJo has told the commons he will not se d the art50 letter (because the EU has already agreed to the deal therefore nothing to negotiate). now the rebel parliament must either have a no confidence vote and allow Corbyn to be PM or ask the Queen to sack BoJo. imho the EU will not grant and extention if they do a coup against BoJo. get you popcorn if ur interested, no deal Brexit is about to happen……

  39. joe on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 9:42 am 

    the coup must succeed in revoking art50 letter otherwise they are toast. they then must also have either a gen election or referendum, both of which they are sure to loose. power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely….

  40. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 9:57 am 

    WOW! MIssori is a rice producer!”
    “Shows how much you know about food production in the US.”

    Oops, sorry makato. After giving your links some thoughtful consideration, I now see that you were correct. Missouri is indeed a rice producer.

    Dang, didn’t know that.

  41. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 10:07 am 

    “STINKING LIAR”

    Not lying cloggo. Just another widdle fib. It’s the only way I can pretend I can win debates.

  42. Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 10:12 am 

    “JuanPee is just a TROLL”

    For anyone that cares. All comments by JuanPee are really me. But I no deep down inside. Nobody cares what I think. Y’all told me that hunderds of times all ready.

  43. Anonymouse on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 10:33 am 

    A lunatic and a autistic jude fraud, arguing over topics neither of them comprehend. Why dont you two morons do everyone here a favor and find someplace else to ruin? You two retards have done such an awesome job of ruining this place for everyone that there is nothing ore for you to accomplish. You’ve both reached peak retard, so……mission accomplished, right?

    Hey, guess what yidiots, tommorow is Sunday, you two losers know what that means dont you?

    cloggedrectum will still be a jude liar, fraud, spammer troll, and all around sniveling kike-rodent, who seems to think anyone here actually gives two shits about his endless OT nonsense.

    exceptionalturd, you’re still going to be an isolated, impoverished lunatic, living in a carefully constructed, multi-polar fantasy world. Your only contact with the outside world is this place. The only living things you interact with in the real world, consist of the small collection of surviving animals on your horror-story ‘farm’ that haven’t managed to escape or starved to death yet.

    Long past time for both of you to just go away now.

  44. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 10:33 am 

    Back in the hotel, watching the Beeb and catch up with what happened, because sharing mobile internet resources on the streets of London with tens (hundreds?) of thousands of people leads to meager results. Pleasant experience to see English who are pro-European for a change. They are all anti-war, pro-environment and good-humoured. These people are not my enemies.

  45. joe on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 11:57 am 

    So full of shit cloggie, f-n fantasist. You are not in London you twat.

  46. JuanP ID theft on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 12:24 pm 

    Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 9:57 am
    WOW! MIssori is a rice producer!”
    “Shows how much you know about food production in the US.”
    Oops, sorry makato. After giving your links some thoughtful consideration, I now see that you were correct. Missouri is indeed a rice producer.
    Dang, didn’t know that.
    Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 10:07 am
    “STINKING LIAR”
    Not lying cloggo. Just another widdle fib. It’s the only way I can pretend I can win debates.
    Davy on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 10:12 am
    “JuanPee is just a TROLL”
    For anyone that cares. All comments by JuanPee are really me. But I no deep down inside. Nobody cares what I think. Y’all told me that hunderds of times all ready.

  47. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 12:28 pm 

    We have a clear-voyant among us.
    What is so special about a Dutchman spending a weekend in London? Return ticket Ryanair €70. Flighttime 40 minutes. According to,KLM, every year a 4.680.247 people fly from the Netherlands to London:

    https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2018/06/05/nrc-checkt-jaarlijks-vliegen-6-mln-mensen-naar-londen-en-parijs-20-treinen-per-dag-a1605431

    “NRC checkt: ‘Jaarlijks vliegen 6 mln mensen naar Londen en Parijs: 20 treinen per dag’”

    Idiot.

  48. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 12:50 pm 

    Brexiteer joe esquire might not like it, but hundreds of thousands participated in the rally:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7590999/March-Remainer-Rabble-Hordes-placard-waving-anti-Brexit-activists-pound-London-streets.html

    “Organisers claim ‘close to one MILLION’ anti-Brexit protesters are marching on Parliament to demand second referendum while hoisting demonic Dominic Cummings effigy”

    I myself walked from my hotel to Liverpool Street station, got myself a tube ticket for GBP 4,90, took the Central Line to Marble Arch, walked along Hyde Park and Park Lane to meet the back of the demonstration, all the while whatsapping photos and vids to family and friends in Holland. At some point it began to rain, I took refuge in cafe Garfunkel, watched the tv-screen and the amendment pass with 322 vs 304 or something and decided I had enough. Walked back to Trafalgar Square, took the tube back to Liverpool Street. And that was my Brexit adventure, the main reason I went to London, after having posted on Brexit here for many months on a daily basis, in the hope to finally break up the West and eventually America.

    Questions?

    Rather spectacular were the crowd-generated noise-waves, that travelled from the back of the demo to the front.

    There was only one small group of “lads” waving the Union Jack, shouting “Brexit Now”. They were laughed at, but tolerated. It was all-in-all a friendly, peaceful affair, conducted in good spirit and disciplined.

  49. Cloggie on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 1:19 pm 

    I fear Brexit could be cancelled:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/19/peoples-vote–march-a-very-british-rebellion-in-the-rain

    “People’s Vote march: from every corner of the land they came, to join a very British rebellion in the rain”

    Again my main motivation to be in favor of Brexit is:

    – get serious with EU army, so far always blocked by the UK
    – likewise getting closer to Russia

    Macron, who I always considered “mildly positive”, is making all the right Gaullist noises.

    We need an EU army before in the US all hell will brake loose, probably shortly after Trump. Or after China will challenge the US in the SCS. Or both.

    The EU and Russia need to intervene in North-America and separate the warring factions and create several new countries. Once those will be a fact, the last globalist domino will no longer have an Anglo-American “hinterland” and a Tommy Robinson can be hoisted in the saddle.

    End good, all good. Just in time to contain the next super power China.

    Geopolitics = chess for simpletons.

  50. joe on Sat, 19th Oct 2019 2:24 pm 

    1. Cloggie neither dutch nor in london.

    2. indeed brexit could easily be cancelled at this point, but get one thing straight, Boris Johnson will not be pm when it is.

    the house of commons has decided to withold support for the deal until bojo sends his letter. now the courts will be asked to intervene to sign that letter on behalf of bojo under the prerext of some kind of emergency (playing with fire). or they could appoint in interim pm to revoke art50. either way the more they strong arm bojo the more they will be punished in the next election. abusing the courts and a corrupt speaker of the house does not a stable future make. it was the poor and hard working puritans that saved Britian when the Scots and liberals last ran roughshod over our country. the people have spoken, they need to be heard. these liars promised in the 2017 election to leave the EU, go back and read their lies. they will pay for their treason.

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