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‘Mission creep’: US to block Russian, Syrian forces from vast oil fields

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The U.S. mission in Syria has morphed far beyond counterterrorism operations and now puts American forces in a position where they could battle Russian troops for control of Syrian oil.

A day after President Trump announced a successful raid that resulted in the death of Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Pentagon officials said the fight against the terrorist group is far from over, and they stressed that the military will continue searching out ISIS leaders across Syria.

They also confirmed a major shift in the broader U.S. strategy inside the war-torn country, one that analysts say represents a dangerous example of “mission creep” away from the initial American goal in Syria to defeat ISIS. Despite Mr. Trump’s efforts to pull American forces from a “forever war” in Syria, Pentagon leaders said the mission to protect vital oil fields from ISIS has expanded and now includes a directive to keep anyone — including the Russian military and Syrian dictator Bashar Assad’s forces — away from the energy reserves.

The new policy sets up the potential for American troops to clash with Russian forces for control of the strategically vital area. At a Pentagon press conference Monday, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper was asked whether an element of the plan to redeploy U.S. personnel to the oil fields includes keeping the resource out of the hands of Russians or Syrian forces.

“The short answer is yes, it presently does,” Mr. Esper said. “We want to make sure the [Syrian Democratic Forces] has access to the resources in order to guard the prisons, in order to arm their own troops, in order to assist us with the defeat of ISIS.”



Although the prospect of a U.S.-Russian fight in northeastern Syria seems unlikely, the fact that the Trump administration would open the door to such a scenario is deeply concerning, analysts said.

“It’s highly dangerous to conduct foreign policy like this,” said Bill Roggio, a senior fellow at the Washington think tank Foundation for Defense of Democracies who tracks counterterrorism operations extensively. “It puts us at risk of … potentially butting heads with the Russians. That’s a concern. It should be a concern for everyone. And we shouldn’t make decisions like this lightly.

“That is the very definition of mission creep,” he added.

Military officials confirmed that U.S. troops have begun their mission to protect Syria’s vital oil region, which at its peak produced nearly 400,000 barrels a day, according to Oilprice.com. That production has dropped significantly during Syria’s civil war.

“We’re keeping the oil — remember that,” Mr. Trump said during a speech Monday to police chiefs in Chicago. “I’ve always said that: ‘Keep the oil.’ We want to keep the oil. $45 million a month? Keep the oil. We’ve secured the oil.”

It’s not clear how many American forces will be stationed in northeastern Syria to guard the oil and how long they will remain there. Mr. Esper said he expects the force to be smaller than the roughly 2,000 troops who were in Syria until just weeks ago.

“At the end of the day, my expectation is it’ll be fewer than what we had before and they’ll be going home,” he said.

The president this month ordered all American forces out of northern Syria ahead of a Turkish military offensive against the U.S.-backed, Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), a key U.S. ally in the fight against ISIS. The administration ultimately brokered a cease-fire between the two sides, and the deal opened the door to an increased Russian military presence inside Syria.

Russian forces are now conducting patrols along the Syria-Turkey border.

After ordering the withdrawal, Mr. Trump adjusted course and said the U.S. would guard Syria’s oil reserves to keep the crude out of the hands of ISIS, which has relied on oil revenue to fund its terrorist operations across the Middle East and Africa. The president also has talked openly about making a deal with major U.S. energy companies to ramp up Syrian oil production.

Military officials seemed to downplay the notion of a clash with Russia over Syrian fuel. They said the primary mission will be to prevent ISIS from using the oil to fund a resurgence after al-Baghdadi’s demise.

“They get a lot of their revenues from that. We are still committed to the counter-ISIS campaign,” Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters.

Moscow has condemned the effort to wall off Syria’s valuable oil reserves. Officials said the U.S. has no right to the fuel and that it belongs to Mr. Assad’s government. Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said Saturday that the U.S. policy amounts to “international state banditism,” as quoted by Russia’s Sputnik news agency.

Meanwhile, U.S. military leaders said the death of al-Baghdadi does not end the American-led mission against ISIS.

“Our mission in Syria today remains the same as it was when we first began operations in 2014: to enable the enduring defeat of ISIS,” Mr. Esper said. “Baghdadi’s death will not rid the world of terrorism or end the ongoing conflict in Syria.”

Analysts say the Islamic State has surely made plans to install a successor to al-Baghdadi, who oversaw the group’s rise into a religious “caliphate” that at its peak controlled huge swaths of Iraq and Syria. The U.S. this year declared victory over that physical caliphate, though the ISIS ideology remains alive and well, with “provinces” of support through the Middle East, Africa and Asia.

Analysts also say the group likely will try to mount attacks against U.S. or European targets in an attempt to prove it has not been fully defeated.

“The most obvious way the Islamic State can show it’s still relevant is to conduct an attack somewhere in the West. Ideally, [from their perspective,] it would conduct an attack in the United States,” Mr. Roggio said. “These guys stay in the game until they’re dead.”

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185 Comments on "‘Mission creep’: US to block Russian, Syrian forces from vast oil fields"

  1. shortonoil on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:02 am 

    2.5 billion barrels is now vast, and the US military wants to defeat an ideology? Stupid, or promotion of their ideology? Then again, it may be both.

  2. Richard Guenette on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:49 am 

    The Syrians should get together and armed themselves with rocks (which are projectiles if used) and throw it at the “troops” (US mercenaries and gangsters).

  3. Richard Guenette on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 11:02 am 

    America should deal with its own problems (crumbling infrastructure, homelessness, opioid crisis, mental health crisis, decreasing life expectancy, extreme weather events etc.).

  4. Robert Inget on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 11:24 am 

    Ya can’t defeat an ideology with weapons of war.

    Our vast military complex demands the threat of war at all times. Without that threat why bother
    inventing, manufacturing, deploying?

    “We’re keeping the oil — remember that,” Mr. Trump said during a speech Monday to police chiefs in Chicago. “I’ve always said that: ‘Keep the oil.’ We want to keep the oil. $45 million a month? Keep the oil. We’ve secured the oil.”

  5. Richard Guenette on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 11:37 am 

    The US should close down all of its overseas bases and return home. That’s it, nothing more, nothing less.

  6. Robert Inget on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 11:38 am 

    The truth. If your interested.
    Trump is USING American troops to baby-sit Syria’s (mostly undeveloped) oil for Putin.
    This will eventually come out spoiling any chance
    of a Trump second term.
    (this makes the 15th time I’ve predicted Trump’s removal)

  7. Robert Inget on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 11:43 am 

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-deployments-may-2017-5

    The US military has over 1.3 million men and women on active duty, with more than 450,000 of them stationed overseas.

    for Richard

  8. Richard Guenette on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 11:47 am 

    I’m no longer posting any comments on P.O. It’s nothing personal.

  9. Bye JuanP on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 12:03 pm 

    Thank you. Now if only we could get JuanP to go away

    Richard Guenette said I’m no longer posting any comments on P.O.

  10. Robert Inget on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 12:03 pm 

    Before ya go Richard, open this,

    https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Russia-Releases-Damning-Evidence-Of-The-US-Smuggling-Syrian-Oil.html

    This is the ‘mission creep’ we almost never hear about;

    “According to the ministry, the photos confirm that “Syrian oil, both before and after the routing defeat of the Islamic State terrorists in land beyond the Euphrates river, under the reliable protection by US military servicemen, oil was actively being extracted and then the fuel trucks were massively being sent for processing outside of Syria.”

  11. Cloggie on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 12:42 pm 

    ““According to the ministry, the photos confirm that “Syrian oil, both before and after the routing defeat of the Islamic State terrorists in land beyond the Euphrates river, under the reliable protection by US military servicemen, oil was actively being extracted and then the fuel trucks were massively being sent for processing outside of Syria.””

    One wonders where the income went to.

    The coffers of Assad?

    Or those of the Pentagon?

    Asking the question is answering it.

    #GlobalPredatorForACenturyNow

  12. Anonymouse on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 1:42 pm 

    Even the washingdum slime is now openly admitting what anyone with even 2 working brain cells knew already. Sorry Davyturd.

    The amerio-zionists are attempting to keep the rightful owners of that nation, from re-asserting access to their OWN OIL. The cover story about keeping it out of the hands of ‘ISIS’, just went up in oily smoke. I know Russia does not want to fight the jews, in fact, it seems to be cooperating with them rather closely despite what a lot of people might believe, but, Syria and its allies are going to have to, at some point, decide to either force the Jewnighted states invaders out at gun-point, or let them remain camped in their nation oil fields, essentially forever. And if the is forced to leave, somehow, they will make damn sure either the filthy turks or one of their USlmaic state proxies stays behind to accomplish the same thing.

    Ask the Germans, or Japanese or Italians, or the Gulf States, or the Brits even about getting uS occupation forces to leave their countries voluntarily. Asking nicely doesn’t work with those creatures.

  13. Cloggie on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 1:49 pm 

    “Even the washingdum slime is now openly admitting what anyone with even 2 working brain cells knew already. Sorry Davyturd.”

    It might have escaped your minuscule attention that the Washington Times is “Samizdat”, i.e. dissident. You probably confused it with the Washington Post. That can happen with merely one working brain cell.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat

  14. Darrell Cloud on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 2:54 pm 

    Go back and listen to Clark. The conquest of these oil fields have been on the agenda since the gas lines formed up in the 70’s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-y

  15. Darrell Cloud on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 2:57 pm 

    Gen Clark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM

  16. Cloggie on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 3:31 pm 

    Who cares about the US blocking miniscule Syrian oil resources. Geopolitically far more important were US attempts to block Nord Stream 2. Those are now history as Denmark has given the green light for completing the pipeline over its territory:

    https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/nord-stream-2-daenemark-erteilt-genehmigung-fuer-umstrittene-pipeline-a-1294113.html

    Nothing stands finishing the pipeline by the end of this year, creating huge geopolitical facts.

  17. supremacist muzzies jerk on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 3:49 pm 

    I dont post here either.
    I didn’t post this

  18. Sissyfuss on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 3:58 pm 

    Trump is openly admitting we’re there for the oil. Now we will find out why no one else dared tell the truth. Uber Jihad, anyone?

  19. DerHundistLos on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 5:02 pm 

    Trump “dared tell the truth” about guarding Syria’s 25 days of global oil supplies?

    Please, give me a break. What a patently ridiculous excuse.

  20. DerHundistLos on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 5:11 pm 

    It’s no coincidence the Washington Times choose Washington and Times in a pathetic attempt to confuse the sheeple as to their true identity. Yeah, it’s an openly slimy neocon propaganda piece replete with fake news stories.

  21. makati1 on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 5:28 pm 

    Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it Cloggie? Suppose those “minuscule oil fields ” were in your country, and the Amerikan pirates were keeping YOU from enjoying the benefits of that income. How would YOU feel?

    It is easy to poo-poo something when it doesn’t actually cause YOU pain, isn’t it? The US and the EU has to go down so the playing field is leveled. Soon, I hope.

  22. makati1 on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 5:35 pm 

    Wow! Even the generals are calling Amerika “pirates”!

    “Retired General: Trump’s Syria Oil Plan Turns US Troops Into “Pirates””

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/retired-general-trumps-syria-oil-plan-turns-us-troops-pirates

    “Of course, it’s not as if Washington ever stopped to think twice about such abstract concepts as ‘international law’ — especially when in comes to military action and adventurism in the Middle East.”

    The US needs to be putdown,and now!

  23. Anonymouse on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 6:25 pm 

    Kloggjude is an utter fraud. He rather enjoys seeing the people of Syria suffering as the result of his ‘tribes’ rampant theft and terrorism.

  24. makati1 on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 6:27 pm 

    Perhaps there really is a god? US crops failing/freezing/drowning, Californication burning, a herd of delusional psychopaths running for liar-in-chief, life expectancy declining, economy declining, drugs/suicides increasing, debt increasing and on and on.

    Well deserved Amerika! You asked for it!

  25. Davy on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 6:32 pm 

    annoymouse quit whining and show you have a brain, freak.

  26. Davy on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 8:42 pm 

    BTW freak, cloggo isn’t Jewish.

    But I am.

    dumbass

  27. Davy on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 8:57 pm 

    For anyone that cares. I’m going beddy byes now. I’m sure there’ll be plenty more garbage to cherry pick from from zero-iq hedge in the morning.

    Nitety nite.

    dumbasses

  28. The Board on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 9:00 pm 

    No one cares about what you say or do Davy.

    go away

    stupid

  29. Chrome Mags on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:08 pm 

    In the impeachment, isn’t Trump being tried by the House for ‘Abuse of Power’ among other crimes against the constitution? So isn’t pillaging Syrian oil yet another abuse of power?

    It’s like Trump has run into the end zone and spiked the ball in the name of fascism and it’s many forms, almost like he’s saying to the House of Reps, “Catch me if you can.”

    It also represents one of Trump’s oft used strategies; Distraction. In this case from the impeachment inquiry.

    The greater question in this, is how is Russia going to respond? And if US troops get challenged by Russian troops, does this situation risk a broader involvement by the US in Syria? After all, wasn’t pulling the troops from No. Syria suppose to be a statement by Trump that the US shouldn’t be involved in the ME?

  30. supremacist muzzies jerk on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:33 pm 

    REAL Green Goat require brief cornholing or brisk cornhusking.

    Goat MUST Listen–>Learn–>Act

  31. Cloggie on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:51 pm 

    “What Boeing’s humbling means for America”

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/29/world/meanwhile-in-america-october-30/index.html

    “ The impact of the twin disasters went beyond the human toll. Faults in Boeing’s safety record were exposed by the jet’s new anti-stall software, as were revelations it had known about problems and failed to properly alert airlines and pilots. The Federal Aviation Administration’s failure to catch glaring issues has also rocked confidence in what were once the gold standards of global flight safety.

    American presidents often preside over huge airliner deals during foreign trips, and the Seattle-based firm was once a tool of US soft power. Now its woes are dragging American economic growth and boosting European archrival Airbus. And whenever Boeing’s fixes allow the 737 Max to take wing again, foreign regulators won’t rely on the FAA to certify it as airworthy — another blow to US prestige.

    Can the ill-fated jet, the people who made it and the American institutions behind them win back global public confidence? As Democratic Sen. Jon Tester of Montana put it: “I would walk before I would get on a 737 Max.””

  32. Cloggie on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:56 pm 

    “Full stream ahead! Denmark removes final hurdle for Russian gas pipeline to Europe”

    https://www.rt.com/business/472206-denmark-nord-stream-2-approval/

  33. makati1 on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 11:33 pm 

    Chrome, maybe the ME is going to be the war between the US and Russia/China? Better there than in Asia. It will mean the end of the US as a super power, but then, that is a very good thing.

  34. makati1 on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 11:35 pm 

    Boeing is a dying corporation, caused by greed and arrogance. So be it. When I go to the US next time, I will be sure none of my flights are on a Boeing plane.

  35. DerHundistLos on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 1:03 am 

    Cloggie:

    The EU is a mess. I watched an enlightening ITN documentary that followed various Gypsies from their home in Romania to the UK for three expressed purposes:

    1. Sign-up for British welfare as soon as possible.

    2. While on the dole, commit crimes of shoplifting, pick pocketing, and burglary where even when caught, the punishment is a slap on the wrist. They know how to play dumb before the cops and judge (no English, poor Gypsies no understand new rules, etc.)

    3. Make sure all Gypsy “womans” are always pregnant. More Gypsy babies, more money from dole and more power in voting.

    The Gypsies know their rights and right to benefits in each EU nation. The millions of Euros are then sent home to build sprawling Gypsy estates and farms with the goal of making Romania a new Gypsy homeland.

  36. Cloggie on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 2:47 am 

    “Boeing is a dying corporation, caused by greed and arrogance.”

    Boeing is dying because Boeing and the rest of society find it ever harder to adhere to first world standards. And the single most important reasons is demographic shift.

    America is running out of whites.

    In 20 years time the same will happen to Europe. The real reason is that disastrous multicult ideology, imposed by the US deep state and youknowwho.

    Another important reason is gender egalitarianism, that encourages women to have a career rather than family and children.

    Greed and arrogance are no serious reasons. Declining competence is.

  37. Cloggie on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 2:52 am 

    Cloggie:

    The EU is a mess. I watched an enlightening ITN documentary that followed various Gypsies from their home in Romania to the UK for three expressed purposes:

    In western Europe, Gypsies are a non-issue. Only Romania has a problem, where 10% or so are Gypsies. Low IQ, low education, no productivity, high crime-rate.

    Europe’s real problems are third world immigration and declining family values. For the rest we are fine, far better than the US, that only has its reserve currency to keep itself afloat. But Eurasia is working on it to cancel that privilege eventually.

  38. JuanP ID theft and sock on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 3:26 am 

    More mindless comments by stupid:

    The Board said No one cares about what you say or do Davy. go aw…

    Davy said For anyone that cares. I’m going beddy byes…

    Davy said BTW freak, cloggo isn’t Jewish. But I am. d…

    Davy said Look, this is getting kind of hard for me to strai…

  39. Davy on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 3:38 am 

    “In the impeachment, isn’t Trump being tried by the House for ‘Abuse of Power’ among other crimes against the constitution? So isn’t pillaging Syrian oil yet another abuse of power?”
    LOL, you mean the shame of an impeachment BTW the real abuse of power is with the investigators who are now being investigated. This needs to go to the top with Obama. Of course, with Trump “the “Buck stops” with him as president in regards to Syrian oil crime but anyone with a brain understands the Deep State and MIC are making sure the US stays in Syria because of Iran and Russia. Most people with a brain realize these things but blind lying liberals don’t. Blind lying liberals pretend the impeachment and the Mueller report were legitimate. OH, and blind lying liberals I am voting for Tulsi not Trump if she runs 3rd party. If that fucks the dumbcrats then good because of all the stink and rot in DC the dumbs are by far the worst.

    “It’s like Trump has run into the end zone and spiked the ball in the name of fascism and it’s many forms, almost like he’s saying to the House of Reps, “Catch me if you can.”
    LOL, blind lying liberal vocabulary

    “It also represents one of Trump’s oft used strategies; Distraction. In this case from the impeachment inquiry.”
    LOL, more blind lying liberal talk

    “The greater question in this, is how is Russia going to respond? And if US troops get challenged by Russian troops, does this situation risk a broader involvement by the US in Syria?”
    The Russians are in no position to challenge the US in the ME. Putin is not stupid. He has achieved his basic goals and will achieve more with the current situation. Putin is smart he will play his chess. Challenging the US just invites more trouble for the Russians. People forget the size of the Russian economy and what it can do.

  40. JuanP mindless sock on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 3:39 am 

    More nonsense from stupid:

    supremacist muzzies jerk on Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:33 pm

    REAL Green Goat require brief cornholing or brisk cornhusking.

    Goat MUST Listen–>Learn–>Act

  41. Davy on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 3:43 am 

    “Boeing is dying because Boeing and the rest of society find it ever harder to adhere to first world standards. And the single most important reasons is demographic shift.”

    Boeing ran into trouble trying to compete with a subsidized Airbus on cost with one plane. That is the primary issue and other issues of corruption and decline but dumb people think this is about demographics. This will be good for Boeing they need a house cleaning. There are plenty of things wrong with Airbus and euroland so don’t expect an end of Boeing, blind lying anti-Americans.

  42. Davy on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 4:02 am 

    “Our Country Must Act:” Germany Exports To Shrink For The First Time Since 2008 Financial Crisis”
    https://tinyurl.com/yyhgs6xh zero hedge

    “The German economy could be headed for economic disaster, the German Chamber of Industry and Commerce (DIHK) warned in a new report Wednesday. According to DIHK’s survey of 28,000 companies, German exports will shrink next year for the first time since the global financial crisis ten years ago…The “green shoots” economic rebound narrative for Europe’s largest manufacturing hub is likely dead in the water for next year. “For our economy, with its strong industrial core, this is a huge challenge,” DIHK President Eric Schweitzer said…DIHK has cut its 2019 GDP forecast to .40% from .60% previously. It estimates GDP growth of .50% for 2020, but the number will likely be revised lower in the coming months…Not only the export-oriented industry is affected, but also trade and service providers are worried about the future.” Last week, the Deutsche Bundesbank said the German economy might have entered a technical recession in September.”

  43. Davy on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 4:09 am 

    “Chinese PMIs Unexpectedly Slide Further Into Contraction, Just Shy Of Post-Crisis Lows”
    https://tinyurl.com/y5x3kstx zero hedge

    “If there was some hope that that today’s Fed rate cut would mark the bottom of the global economic slowdown and serve as the basis for even a modest recovery – after all, even Powell admitted that after this, nothing less than a full blown economic shitstorm would force the Fed to cut more – then Beijing promptly crapped all over any such optimism, when it reported that its latest official PMIs for the month of October not only missed by a mile, but were two of the worst prints since the financial crisis. Early on Thursday, China’s National Bureau of Statistics reported that in October, China’s manufacturing PMI slumped deeper into contraction, dropping from 49.8 to 49.3, not only below the 49.8 consensus estimate, but also below the lowest sellside estimate (the range was 49.5-50.5). Worse, the Non-manufacturing PMI, which many had ignored for months because it was so deeply into expansionary territory, tumbled sharply, and after its biggest drop in almost a year, dipped to 52.8 from 53.6, and is now just shy of the lowest print since the financial crisis. It gets even worse: whereas the contraction for large cap companies was modest, at just 49.9, down from 50.8, mid cap companies were worse, at 49.0, while small caps were dismal, at a paltry 47.9, down from 48.8…The above means that not only is the trade war with the US continuing to take its toll on China, but as long as Beijing refuses to spark a massive credit injection spree, which rebooted the global economy after the financial crisis, after the European sovereign debt crisis, and again after the Shanghai Accord…then the Fed’s hopes that its “insurance cuts” will amount to anything, will soon be drowned in the chaos of another global recession, but not before the Fed first cuts rates back to zero first, and then negative.”

  44. Davy on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 4:16 am 

    “China’s Bond Market Faces Turmoil Amid Maturity Deluge”
    https://tinyurl.com/y6ry9at3 zero hedge

    “a wall of bond maturities is about to flood across China’s sovereign-bond market, which in the past three months has already been reeling from a global sell-off and rising inflation. According to Bloomberg, more than 2 trillion yuan ($283 billion) of local-government notes will mature in 2020, a record and 58% more than this year’s level. This means fresh debt to refinance upcoming maturities will start hitting the market soon, with a the southern province of Guangdong expected to sell notes as early as November…“The large amount of supply that will be rolled over will weigh on China’s sovereign bonds,” Ken Cheung, chief Asia FX strategist at Mizuho Bank, told Bloomberg. The risk only grows when one considers the recent surge in food inflation as a result of “pig Ebola”, coupled with lower expectations of central bank stimulus…Which means that very soon, the PBOC will be forced to choose: risk runaway bond yields, tumbling risk prices and an even faster slowdown in the economy, or stimulate the economy, and watch as the yuan tumbles as inflation surges even more. The only question is whether this terminal dilemma will come before or after the US is faced with a roughly similar choice.”

  45. Davy approves this message on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 5:32 am 

    “Blind lying liberals pretend the impeachment and the Mueller report were legitimate.”

    Shut the fuck up, DavySkum. YOU are the habitual liar with your fake conspiracy stories that ALL turn out to be right-wing nonsense. YOU have ZERO credibility to criticize. You’re a disgusting fraud, a habitual liar, rude, and nasty. Wow, just like your Dear Leader Chump.

    Yes, indeed folks, Skum of a feather flock together.

  46. Davy on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 5:36 am 

    Hi Everyone:

    Please read my quote at the bottom for a random example of my civil commentary. Please note my polite, moderate, and balanced approach. I am a victim-cry me.

    ~~Doesn’t matter if a comment is directed at me, when I disagree I attack using a familiar bag of tricks including playground taunts, insults, and anything else personally demeaning.

    ~~If I disagree, I accuse the poster of being a “foreigner”, then I tell them to get out of my country.

    ~~I address people with condescending names.

    ~~I make statements without evidence.

    ~~I always work “hate” into my comments.

    ~~ALWAYS moderate and neuter stupid Democrats and lying liberals.

    “Bobby, your side is destroying the constitution and corrupting the public domain. Extremist American hating liberals like you need to move to Canada where you belong. Oh, I forgot, you are rich so try an ocean side villa in mexico”

  47. Davy approves this message on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 5:37 am 

    Let’s now take an accounting of a few 2017 Davy predictions:

    1. “Trump is going to disrupt the establishment that is taking the status quo in dangerous directions.”

    The installing of failed right-wing neocons into central positions of power and authority was a clear break with the past. Result: FAIL

    2. “Trump is going to hinder and slow up the status quo wealth transfer.”

    Trump’s $2.5 Trillion tax giveaway to those earning in excess of $785,000, I suppose, qualifies as mission accomplished for those who like taking jaunts in the family Learjet. Result: FAIL

    3. “Trump is going to make America great again through nationalism, managed trade, and controlled borders.”
    Another Trump mission accomplished by tearing the country apart? Brilliant. Result: FAIL

    For Davy, 0 for 3 ain’t too bad, eh? And who dares to claim I have no credibility?

  48. JuanP ID theft on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 5:58 am 

    from stupid:

    Davy approves this message said Let’s now take an accounting of a few 2017 Davy pr…

    Davy said Hi Everyone: Please read my quote at the bottom fo…

    Davy approves this message said “Blind lying liberals pretend the impeachmen…

  49. Davy's response to JuanP on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 6:21 am 

    “Let’s now take an accounting of a few 2017 Davy predictions:”
    Where are your references stupid? BTW, JuanP you supported Trump and even said you assisted his campaign.

    “1. “Trump is going to disrupt the establishment that is taking the status quo in dangerous directions.”
    “The installing of failed right-wing neocons into central positions of power and authority was a clear break with the past. Result: FAIL”
    Well, anything but Hillary comes to mind especially now that we see her crimes and those of the Obama admin. Trump exposed the horrible corruption so good or bad Trump is not the issue here it is the transparency his disruption brought to life. His disruption to globalism and also addressing the dangerous growth of China was a very good thing. Chinese/US economic globalism must be checked because it has gone too far.

    2. “Trump is going to hinder and slow up the status quo wealth transfer.”
    “Trump’s $2.5 Trillion tax giveaway to those earning in excess of $785,000, I suppose, qualifies as mission accomplished for those who like taking jaunts in the family Learjet. Result: FAIL”
    Come on Juanpee, Trumps tax reform was not even defined then and You say that was my prediction?? LOL. Dumbass. Trump is taking down globalism a notch or two and that is going to redefine wealth transfer. This is not going to change the rich getting richer relatively much but everyone is going to get poorer and more regionalized. The net result will be a move closer to localism that is needed. BTW, you and your south Florida are benefitting the most from Trumps tax changes. IMA rich liberals are also getting more and probably the most benefits considering they inhabit the wealthiest places. The people I live with will get some trickle down but most go to places like your Miami Beach

    3. “Trump is going to make America great again through nationalism, managed trade, and controlled borders.”
    “Another Trump mission accomplished by tearing the country apart? Brilliant. Result: FAIL”
    Another not prediction from Davy unless you have a reference?? I am for controlled borders because we already have too many people and the country is in overshoot. I am for managed trade because globalism is out of control and needs to be checked. Not for nationalism although China is a clear and present threat economically. So, if you are for the opposite of that: Result “JuanP Fail”

    “For Davy, 0 for 3 ain’t too bad, eh? And who dares to claim I have no credibility?”
    You have no credibility juanp. You are a cyber bullying troll who is gumming up this forum with mindless gaming shit. There is nothing intellectual about you. You are mean, ignorant, and low IQ. You have a stalking obsession along with sexual perversions and a confused multiple personality disorder. You are a true loser.

  50. Obviously triggered and a hypocrit on Thu, 31st Oct 2019 6:23 am 

    From JuanP otherwise known as the stupid 3rd worlder.

    “Shut the fuck up, DavySkum. YOU are the habitual liar with your fake conspiracy stories that ALL turn out to be right-wing nonsense. YOU have ZERO credibility to criticize. You’re a disgusting fraud, a habitual liar, rude, and nasty. Wow, just like your Dear Leader Chump.”

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