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Kunstler: Rumors of War

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The race to economic collapse is an international competition sparking threats and tensions summoning the specter of war. The imploding center of this collapse is that of industrial technocracy based on fossil fuels. All the nations will go through it on differing schedules. It has been playing out slowly, painfully, and deceptively — hence, my term for it: the long emergency.

Following a dumbed-down media unable to parse the delusions du jour, one might think, for instance, that the USA and China are engaged in a symbolic battle for the heavyweight championship of the world. Rather, both are freaking out at a prospective decline in activity that will make it impossible to support their current populations at even close to the levels of comfort they had lately achieved.

For China, that means very lately. Up until the turning millennium, most Chinese lived as though the twelfth century had never ended. For but two decades now, a new and quite large Chinese middle class has been driving cars around freeways, eating cheeseburgers, wearing designer blue jeans, shooting selfies at the Eiffel Tower, and even dreaming of trips to the moon. They’ve barely had time to turn decadent.

Getting to that was quite a feat. China compressed its version of the industrial revolution into a few decades, catching up to a weary, jaded West that took two hundred years achieving “modernity,” and now it is seeming to surpass us — which is the reason for so much tension and anxiety in our relations. The real news is: we’re all already in the climax of that movie. Nobody will surpass anyone.

The reason is the decline of affordable energy to run the stupendously complex systems we have come to rely on. China never had very much petroleum. They import over 10 million barrels a day now, and most of that comes from far far away, having to pass through some very hazardous sea lines like the Straits of Hormuz and Molucca. They run things mostly on coal, and they’re well past peak — and let’s not get into the ecological ramifications of what they’re still burning. Even some intelligent observers in the West think that the Chinese have made gigantic strides in alt-energy, and will soon be free of old limits, but that’s a pipe dream. They have met the same disappointments over wind and solar as we have. Alt-energy just doesn’t pencil out money-wise or physics-wise. Plus, you absolutely need fossil fuels to make it happen, even as a science project.

The US is smugly and stupidly under the impression that the “shale oil miracle” has put an end to our energy worries. That comes from a foolish nexus of wishful thinking between a harried populace, a dishonest government, and the aforementioned brain-damaged news media. We want, with all our might, to believe we can keep running the interstate highways, WalMart, Agri-Business, DisneyWorld, the US Military, and suburbia just as they are, forever. So, we spin our reassuring fantasies about “energy independence” and “Saudi America.” Meanwhile, the shale oil companies can’t make a red cent pulling that stuff out of the ground. For the moment, ultra-low interest rate loans, riding on the back of all that wishful thinking, keep the racket going and sustain America’s illusions.

The disappointment over that error-in-thinking will be epic. In fact, it already is, considering how many working-age people without work or sense of purpose are ending their lives by opioid OD in Flyover country. The hipsters of Brooklyn and Silicon Valley haven’t gotten to that point because so much of America’s diminishing capital productivity still flows into their bank accounts — enabling a sunny life of caramel cloud macchiatos, farm-to-table suppers, and sexual reassignment surgeries.

The US and China are actually more like two passengers of a sinking ship racing to swim to a single lifebuoy — which is drifting ever-beyond the reach of both desperate parties on a powerful current of history. That current is the one telling nations quite literally to mind their own business, to prepare to go their own ways, to strive somehow to become self-sufficient, to finally face the limits to growth, to simplify and downscale all their operations.

Alas, the US and China — and everybody else — will apparently be dragged kicking and screaming to those transformational recognitions. (Thus, the agonies of Brexit.)  In the meantime, we may choose to slug it out in pursuit of that chimerical world championship just because we still have means to go at it. Such a contest would certainly speed up the journey to our fated destination, and not in a good way.


110 Comments on "Kunstler: Rumors of War"

  1. JuanP on Wed, 29th May 2019 5:47 pm 

    Oops, sorry everyone juanpee is a stalker.

    Davy on Wed, 29th May 2019 4:03 pm

  2. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 29th May 2019 5:50 pm 


    Do you think the US elites don’t know what is coming?

    Do you think they will just sit back and watch everything fall apart? Or will they get pro-active and take by force what they want?

  3. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 29th May 2019 5:53 pm 

    ‘Grave concerns’: Assange can barely talk, moved to prison hospital, says WikiLeaks

    That will teach you to collude with the Russians..Your ass is grass!


  4. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 29th May 2019 6:07 pm 


    Don’t make us George Bush this button..Over nothing…

    Live free or die!

  5. I AM THE MOB on Wed, 29th May 2019 6:21 pm 

    My milkshake brings all the boys to Farage

  6. makati1 on Wed, 29th May 2019 6:31 pm 

    MOB, they can no longer “take by force”. Unlike previous wars, there will be nothing left to “take” this time unless you mean radioactive slag.

    They know what is coming and they also know it is a different world and they will lose everything if it gets out of hand. They are old men playing a game they will lose either way.

    The world is changing and they are losing control. Mother Nature is going to have her say and they cannot control that. See the US Midwest for a clue. Or take a look at the Jet Stream today:,40.25,425

    The fun and games are only beginning. I was around when the US empire was getting started after WW2 and it appears I will witness it’s end. Interesting times.

    BTW: YOU have NEVER been free. You are even less “free” than you were 20 years ago. Freedom in the US is an illusion. I am as free as any American can be today. No debt. No taxes. No police state gestapo.

  7. More Davy Identity Theft on Wed, 29th May 2019 7:01 pm 

    JuanP on Wed, 29th May 2019 5:47 pm

  8. AOC-themuzzieslover-AKA-fmr-paultard on Wed, 29th May 2019 9:32 pm 

    how can alexandria soeone named after ancient christian city be so wrong to veer off in territory of muzzie loving? how can theresa may who was named after imam (((supetard teresa of spain))) can be so much of devoted lovr of muzzies? the irony continues.

    the good news is that asia bibi is in canada and May is gone. June will be good after May.
    The bad news is i’m wrong. I said spring mating season aggression is over and theedrich won’t post long wided diatribe.
    i own up my mistake therefore i retire temporarily. DER: produce evidence of probing you nasty guy. what this all references to gaysez?

  9. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 12:10 am 

    “The US is trying desperately to get a ‘yuge’ war started.”

    “Mike Pence declares war on the world at West Point“

    WW3 is coming, between Eurasia and Anglosphere. The war that will end empire, erase the dollar from Eurasia and the world, the war that will bring Down-Under in Chinese hands and balkanize North-America and the UK. The weakness of the Anglos is their lack of manpower and their former naval strength no longer is relevant in the age of the hyper-sonic missile. A no-deal Brexit will help initiate WW3.

    But English will remain lingua

    Richard Spencer and Quebecois white nationalist discuss this darkie lover Nigel Farage. Spencer promotes exactly what I have been promoting here for years: Eurosphere, a commonwealth of European peoples after the coming cataclism.

    Spencer makes a mistake btw if he thinks that cataclism is still far away. I’m more betting on the coming five years.

  10. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 12:46 am 

    “It’s the story America can’t bear to hear: As newly released FBI files report civil rights champion Martin Luther King sexually harassed dozens of women, TOM LEONARD probes the troubling truth behind the shaming of an icon”

    Just another worthless jungle bunny made big by the kosher media in their incessant attempt to weaken white America and get the third world accepted as equals.

    The US merely 60% white and whites minority at fighting age, will greatly contribute to the downfall of empire. Perhaps the Chinese and Russians will laugh themselves to death, once confronted with what the US can field against them these days. You never know how lucky you are going to be.

  11. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 1:05 am 

    JuanP on Wed, 29th May 2019 5:00 am

    Holland is a postage stamp country that is postioned well with good neighbors in Northern Europe. Saying this is the Dutch way is low IQ.

    Good morning, mobster.

    And the Fool from the (Ozarks) Hill all these years thought he was fighting “anti-American” JuanP.

    Davy represents all these Amis that are lead by the nose by the mobster tribe.

    Depends on how hard they are hit when the SHTF, but I suspect it will be very painful. We shall see. Pass the popcorn

    I don’t think much popcorn will be eaten, certainly not in the Philippines, once tshtf.

  12. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 1:20 am 

    Home at last!

    “Britain is our blood brother…it’s in Trump’s DNA (and Camilla is a riot!) On the eve of the Donald’s visit, ROBERT HARDMAN enjoys a riotously candid audience with America’s Man In London”

    English aren’t Europeans geopolitically, they are Anglos, certainly by heart. Although their brains are still worried about the consequences of breaking with the European experiment 1973-2019 (46 years).

    Hopefully we can finally remove them from Europe and do Europe right in the Gaullist vision: without England, but with Russia (and Scotland) and let the Anglos globalize=mongrelize, exactly as uncle Schmull likes his Anglos: with a deep tint, right mobby?

    Readers comments and kudos pro-con:

    “Our relationship with the US goes back a long way and those who put their selfish political interests first like Sadiq Khan should be ashamed of themselves. Donald Trump should of course be accorded total respect as we British always do for our allies. We need to keep the bilateral relationship as strong as ever too as post Brexit we need to negotiate a good trade deal with the World’s biggest economy. Welcome to the UK Mr President.”


    “Spot on! I like Europe no end but genuine affection for USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand!”


    “We speak the same language and visit each others countries, we don’t have a problem as we share so many things in common. We have grown up together, had the war and the peace and hope we will always remain close no matter who is in charge. Much love and respect!”


    “Stop trying to lick the US backsides.A trade deal with the US would mean lowering of food standards and acceptance of chlorinated chicken. No thanks.”


    “Well said! The president of our greatest ally is always welcome on our shores. God Bless America.”


    “There are more people of British descent living in America than Brits living in the UK.”


    (Clogg: there are more people of German than British descent in America.)

  13. makati1 on Thu, 30th May 2019 1:51 am 

    Cloggie, do you really believe that there will be anything left after WW3? Besides radioactive cities, that is? Do you really want a war you cannot win?

    Your dream will never come to pass. There will just be millions more ME refugees in the coming years to unbalance Europe. The US is moated by two oceans. Europe has many land bridges. The US will keep taking on Latinos as there is no option. There will be no wall.

    I live on an island with nothing any migrant would want that they cannot get in their home country. No much immigration legal or otherwise. When the SHTF, many foreigners will go back to their home countries, if they can. Millions who are here for school or work and the many tourists. Some Filipinos who live in other countries will come home.

    We live in interesting times, but I do not share your future dreams. Yes, English will be the main language until Chinese replaces it, IF humanity lasts another few generations. Not likely.

  14. AOC-themuzzieslover-AKA-fmr-paultard on Thu, 30th May 2019 2:23 am 

    My name is fmr-paultardo and I am a big retardo. I live on 49th retardo street. I sit on the steeple and shit on the people, and I say, my name is fmr-paultardo and I am a retardo.

  15. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 2:26 am 

    Cloggie, do you really believe that there will be anything left after WW3? Besides radioactive cities, that is?

    I have no doubt that WW3 will top WW2 in terms of casualties. This time especially North-America will become one giant killing field as a result of CW2. But I do think that the great powers will not use nukes against each others cities, battle fields yes, big cities, no. MAD still applies.

    Do you really want a war you cannot win?

    I am flattered that you seem to think I control world history, I don’t really. I’m a nobody, just like you, who sees what is coming (or make a mistake about it).

    There will just be millions more ME refugees in the coming years to unbalance Europe. The US is moated by two oceans. Europe has many land bridges. The US will keep taking on Latinos as there is no option. There will be no wall.

    The results of decades of US efforts to brainwash continental Europeans into their value system of One World Without Borders is evaporating fast, with populism on the rise. We will be militant fashis again in no time, as our sense of historic identity is much stronger that than of Anglo “nations of immigrants”, who have no idea of who they are.

    Europe’s borders are much easier to defend than America’s, thanks to the Mediterranean.

    “Tommy Robinson was humiliated in the EU elections. Here’s how we helped do it”

    English gloating about their own ethnic demise. White nationalism is a lost cause for England.

  16. makati1 on Thu, 30th May 2019 4:36 am 

    Cloggie, the US will take a heavy hit but Europe will be destroyed by then. You don’t believe that, in the end, nukes will come out? Dream on.

    You obviously underestimate the fear of losing in today’s world. Do you think Russia will surrender? The US? China? Dream on. Escalation will go all the way when the majors get serious. They are already planning to use tactical nukes. The next step is the big ones. City busters. Civilians are no longer safe anywhere. Foot soldiers are so 20th!

    Our only hope is that a major financial crash will end the stupidity, but then…?

    BTW: The last time I looked at a map, Europe is not an island. The Dardanelles is less than a mile wide at points. Many can swim that far. Not to mention that the Turks are building a bridge at the narrowest point. Walk-across access to Europe.

    Do you think the Turks may also want to move to Europe? I think they and many million of their friends will do so. Are doing so now. You are not isolated Cloggie.

  17. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 5:01 am 

    “The results of decades of US efforts to brainwash continental Europeans into their value system of One World Without Borders is evaporating fast, with populism on the rise.”

    In France and Italy, since last week, white nationalists are the largest party. Eastern Europe and Russia have never flirted with the idea of replacing themselves with third-worlders. Anglos are very different and that is why they are going to lose. They will be unable to sick continental Europe into war with Russia, other than perhaps Poland and Ukraine, who will be dealt with swiftly by Russia. Europe will remain neutral, initially, until US casualties in the Gulf and/or SCS will mount and you can expect a white uprising in the US in response. A serious white uprising in the US will be supported by China, Russia and white nationalist govs in Europe.

    That’s how I think it is going to be played out, that WW3.

    Regarding the Turks… they and Iran will be too busy filling in the void left by the imploding US empire and reestablish the Ottoman and Persian empires at the cost of KSA, Jordan and others, supported by Russia and China.

  18. Davy on Thu, 30th May 2019 5:02 am 

    “Germany Launches eHighway Project” clean technica

    “The specially designed trucks use hybrid electric vehicle (HEV) technology instead of combustion engines and can be charged as they drive beneath the installed overhead wires. The overhead power lines have been installed in both directions for 5 kilometers. Once the trucks are charged they can continue to run on battery, and when the battery is depleted they’ll switch seamlessly back to diesel.”

  19. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 5:15 am 

    Europeans share around 5% of their DNA with Neanderthals..

    So true..That is why whitey is so evil and dumb..


  20. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 5:15 am 

    “Germany Launches eHighway Project”

    Haha, the German government finally figured out how to get renewable electricity from the North Sea to the South: via the highways!

  21. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 5:22 am 

    Europeans can’t accept that prosperity has been in deep decline for decades..

    Just wait till the oil shortage hits them hard..They will collapse harder than the soviet union did..

    They have no shared no shared culture or language..Civil war is a certainty..

    Europe will have zero economic growth in a decade and a massive oil shortage..

    You are seeing the fall of white Europeans in real time!


  22. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 5:22 am 

    So true..That is why whitey is so evil and dumb..

    Hit American whitey hard, mobster-kike. In that way you can’t use them against Europe, like the two previous times.

    Maybe you yourself are much dumber than you would like to admit to yourself. Anglos and kikes this time fighting each other and going down in history together. I’m all for it.

  23. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 5:53 am 

    Europeans can’t accept that prosperity has been in deep decline for decades..

    You are totally right, mobby. You have no idea of the level of suffering here in Europe. We are about to eat our children, just as you predicted:

    Meanwhile in China:

    China tells US provoking trade disputes is ‘naked economic terrorism’

    Senior official says China is ‘not afraid’ of a trade war as Beijing signals potential restrictions on rare-earth exports

    US and China locking horns, while Europe and Russia look the other way.

  24. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 6:10 am 

    Michel Barnier speaking the truth:

    “Michel Barnier says the UK voted for Brexit because of ‘typical British nostalgia’ for when the country was ‘powerful’ – as he warns Tory hopefuls the EU will NOT renegotiate May’s deal”

    I hope this Gaullist is the one to succeed Juncker this summer.

  25. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 6:22 am 

    More signs the modernist political Left is losing the culture war:

    “France says Notre Dame must be restored exactly the way it was”

  26. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 7:18 am 


    when is the last time you got laid?

  27. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 9:17 am 

    Siemens eHighway in Germany and the US, eHighway in Sweden:

  28. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 9:34 am 


    Stop dodging my question..

    eHighway? HAHAHAA

    What about asteroid mining huh? And moon colonies? That looks promising..And hey I saw a video on Youtube with a car that ran on water..So we don’t need oil..


  29. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 10:00 am 

    Stop dodging my question..

    I irritate you to the hilt, now don’t I?

    When was the last time you met a goy, who gave you a good spanking in matters of history, to the tune that you had to admit you don’t understand history… just to avoid having to discuss history with me. Well?

    You are losing terrain pall, and that must hurt for a self-absorbed chosenite like you.

    eHighway? HAHAHAA

    What is so spectacular about that? It worked for trains a trolleybuses all over the world for decades.

    There are real existing projects all over the world:

    Even in America, with German help of course, who else.

  30. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 10:03 am 

    But I admit, I post too much today, Ascension Day, a “bank holiday”, so I had to burn down my posting backlog.

  31. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 10:13 am 

    Britain, the next Ukraine, to be lifted out of one geopolitical orbit into the next:

    “Trump says he could meet his ‘friends’ Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage during state visit to the UK next week praising them as ‘big powers'”

    The US knows it is going to lose continental Europe as a colonial resource, but they are keen in keeping at least “blood brother” Britain, or England rather, as a colony.

    Expect a camera show with at least Trump and Farage appearing (BoJo is less certain), with Trump taking the side of the Brexiteers, giving a big boost to that project.

    Fine with me, as long as they go, hard or soft.

  32. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 10:17 am 

    The problems with Europe and the US are exactly the same..Low economic growth..

    The German army peak oil study predicted this back in 2010..And so did the US National Intelligence Council report in 08.

  33. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 10:20 am 


    Your techie idea are pie in the sky and based on make believe..

    You are a low IQ old right wing nazi..You didn’t even grow up using a computer..

    I guess though, its your only antidote to nihilism..


  34. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 10:26 am 

    Libtard member of the Reagan government Paul Craig Roberts has turned into a white nationalist and historic revisionist:

    “White People and Their Achievements Are Marked for Destruction”

    (He probably means North-American whitey, the prospects for Europe are much better)

    The Western world is collapsing so rapidly that I am afraid that I am going to outlive it.

    I hope and expect that too, mr Roberts. I expect the start of WW3-CW2 between now and five years.

  35. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 10:32 am 

    You didn’t even grow up using a computer..

    I didn’t, but nevertheless experienced the full development cycle. I have programmed a Burroughs mainframe with punch cards in the seventies…

    … and I am still programming in the latest programming languages and involved in one of the most advanced technological projects on the planet:

    And what is your occupation? Graduating in LGBT-studies at the university of Suckerville in Maine?

  36. Anonymouse on Thu, 30th May 2019 10:47 am 

    You cloggedanus, are a jobless kike, with absolutely nothing better to do, than sit on your worthless jew ass and post absolutely nothing, all day long. So much so, you have even manged to eclipse I AM THE DAVYMOB here for generalized spamming and trolling, and that is saying something.

    So, long story short, feel free to Fuck off you worthless yid troll. Nobody cares about you, what you ‘do’, which is, troll 24/7, or your fake personas ‘politics’. Not your junk science, your junk ‘politic’s, or your junk pseudo-green-but-not-really affectations either.

    Getting it now Cloggedrectum?

    Probably not.

  37. Anonymouse on Thu, 30th May 2019 12:31 pm 

    I am a pervert stalker. Juan is me role model. I masterbate too much also.

  38. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 1:05 pm 


    You haven’t done shit..And you can’t prove anything you claim..And citing wiki is not proof you did shit..

    You are just a low life who spams this site to argue with himself (crazy)..

    Your generation doesn’t know shit about technology..You are just desperate and want to believe you have a bright future ahead..

    Enjoy the collapse and civil war part 3..


  39. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 1:06 pm 

    Hey clogg

    Do you really think hi tech and sophisticated people read DailyMail and infowars?

    The only person you are fooling is yourself..And I don’t know whether to laugh or cry..


  40. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 1:09 pm 

    Paul Craig Roberts is a total whack job..Just look at his picture on his blog..

    Clogg really thinks he is onto something by spamming mentally ill old man..


    You can’t make this stuff up

  41. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 1:36 pm 

    Paul Craig Roberts is a total whack job.

    He was a member of a US government, where you are merely an undergraduate in LGBT-studies at the university of Suckerville, Maine.

  42. More Davy Identity Theft and Projections on Thu, 30th May 2019 2:13 pm 

    Anonymouse on Thu, 30th May 2019 12:31 pm

    I am a pervert stalker. Juan is me role model. I masterbate too much also.

  43. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 2:44 pm 


    He was a member of the US government? That is actually a point for my side..

    Grandpa Clogg always proving how ignorant he is..

  44. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 4:01 pm 

    “He was a member of the US government?”

    You didn’t know that?!

    And in the next line you have the nerve to call ME ignorant!

    You are unable to write even a small post that is coherent.

  45. Anonymouse on Thu, 30th May 2019 5:51 pm 

    “More Davy Identity Theft and Projections”

    thanks juan, I love you

  46. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 30th May 2019 6:08 pm 


    I know who Paul Craig Roberts is you dumbass..

    Take your meds grandpa..

  47. Cloggie on Thu, 30th May 2019 9:31 pm 

    You didn’t know he was a member of the Reagan government, where he was the architect of Reaganomics.

    “He was a member of the US government?”


    Could it be you have spent too much time with your game console?

  48. Cloggie on Fri, 31st May 2019 2:59 am 

    Why elections won’t solve anything either in Britain:

    “Poll bombshell for Tories and Labour: ‘Main parties’ slip to joint THIRD on 19% behind Lib Dems and Brexit Party in shock opinion survey after EU vote humiliation”

    Remain party LibDems now the biggest. Two coalitions possible: LibDems-Lab and Con-Brex.

    The country is split in the middle and that won’t change and hence there is only one rational decision and that is sign the compromise May-deal, the only deal you will ever get from the EU.

    Get used to it Britain: you are the new Canada and the EU is the US, both only considerable bigger than the originals, in terms of population numbers.

    Now sign and be so lucky to remain neutral when Eurasia deals with the empire once and for all.

  49. Cloggie on Fri, 31st May 2019 3:09 am 

    We all know how sensitive our Anglo friends are on the topic of racism, because fighting that universal natural preference for your own kind, is essential in getting their globalist One World project going (exactly

    Imagine the outcry in Anglo press circles when they discovered that a mainstream Chinese airline warned its customers that, yes, London is worthy tourist destination, but pulleeze stay away from darkie areas, for your own safety.

    “Chinese airline sparks row with ‘racist’ travel guide to London”

  50. Cloggie on Fri, 31st May 2019 4:13 am 

    Berlin-Boston and back. Libtard Merkel in libtard Harvard, takes Trump apart in front on an enthusiastic crowd of 20,000, without mentioning him once.

    She pleads for an “open world”, democratic and liberal, against “national egoism”.

    At home Merkel suffered a devastating loss at the last EU-elections, but in Harvard she can still score globalist points. Merkel is hands-down the US deep state most loyal lapdog.

    – against protectionism (of course she does, Germany is export Weltmeister, the US import Weltmeister)
    – in favor of fighting climate change (here she is right and Trump very wrong)
    – there should be no walls. She is utterly wrong her. No walls/border protection means the end of European civilization, since all the non-whites will stalk their former colonial masters into oblivion.

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