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Kunstler: Going Where, Exactly?

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In response to what has become a nation of shameless racketeering, vivid wealth disparity, and shocking destitution on display in city streets, the party of the common man seeks remedies in the redistribution of capital. Seems more than fair to many. It’s not for nothing that they style it “social justice,” the cutting edge of an economic system called socialism — with overtones, of course, of settling racial and gender scores for good measure.

Socialism might seem to be the answer to all this unfairness and indignity. And naturally it focuses on the two activities that have turned into the worst rackets in America: higher education and health care, a.k.a. “Eds and Meds.” Both are now cruel bloated parodies of what they used to be, turning their customers into debt serfs and bankrupts, apart from their dismal failures of basic mission: to prepare developing minds for reality and to “first do no harm.”

The proposed remedy is for the national government to take responsibility for running them and making their services free to all. That would do nothing, of course, to reform the patent idiocies of the gender studies departments; or rescue the sorry victims of obesity and diabetes from their toxic consumption of whoppers, pizza, and slurpees. Those dynamics operate on feedback wheels of futility for which there is no happy ending outside of drastic changes in thought and behavior.

The Left now promises redemption from these great quandaries with the tag-team of Robin Hood and Santa Claus ushering in a new golden era of free stuff. It’s understandable perhaps, considering how desperate so many citizens of this land are, and how desperation feeds rescue fantasies. And the Left may even get a chance to try this wizardry after the next election. But it’s really not where history is taking us. America is not going to go socialist, it’s going medieval. Why is that?

To put it simply, the money is not there. But the “money” is only an abstract representation of material wealth of one kind or another — energy, goods, resources, and delivery systems — and all that is becoming more of a fugitive presence in reality-based civilization. We don’t have the mojo anymore to nationalize and centralize these sprawling activities. It must be obvious that government is not only fatally beyond bankruptcy, but that it has also reached the stage of diminishing returns from over-investment in complexity that translates into generalized incompetency. It’s hardly just Mr. Trump alone that is responsible for the chaotic paralysis all around us.

Societies are self-organizing, emergent phenomena. They respond to the circumstances that reality presents, and they take us in unexpected directions. The general expectation in the USA since the Second World War has been for ever-increasing material comfort provided by an inexhaustible techno-industrial cornucopia, kind of a cosmic goodie machine. Well, we’d better adjust our thinking to the fact that the horn-of-plenty is shockingly out of goodies, and that no amount of financial hocus-pocus is going to refill it. Valiant attempts to redistribute the already-existing wealth are liable to prove disappointing, especially when the paper and digital representations of that wealth in “money” turn out to be figments — promises to pay that will never be kept because they can’t be kept.

So, instead of fantasizing about free PhD programs for everybody, and free insulin for the multitudes, consider instead the vista of a reduced population working in the fields and pastures to bring enough food out of the long-abused land to live through the next winter. Consider a world in which, if we are lucky, the electricity runs for a few hours a day, but possibly not at all. Imagine a world in which men and women actually function in different divisions of labor and different social spaces because they must, to keep the human project going. Imagine a world in which the ideas in your head about that world actually have to comport with the way the way that world really works — and the severe penalty for failing to recognize that. That’s the more likely world we’re heading into. It won’t put an end to dreams of utopias and cosmic rewards, but it will be a sobering moment in history.

Kunstler



50 Comments on "Kunstler: Going Where, Exactly?"

  1. William sadler on Fri, 7th Jun 2019 12:27 pm 

    Even after his divorce, Bezos is getting about 13 million a day in interest (100*,05/365). No one can spend it. Average CEO pay 300 times average worker salary. It cannot continue. Socialism is not the answer, but it is better for us all than what is currently happening.

  2. Cloggie on Fri, 7th Jun 2019 12:35 pm 

    “The disappearing Boreal World”

    Victory speech Thierry Baudet after the last provincial elections in the Netherlands, which he won, out of the blue, coming from nowhere:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qURoK7oEhTQ
    (English subs)

    He didn’t win the EU-elections, because he still promotes an EU-Nexit, but the vast majority of the Dutch don’t want that (and the reason I didn’t vote for him). Marine le Pen dropped her 2014 Frexit program in 2019 and she DID win the EU-election in France. I’m confident that Baudet will adapt his program, like all the other right-wingers in Europe did. They no longer want to abolish the EU but instead take it over and change it.

    Baudet openly deplores the seemingly unstoppable disappearing of the “Boreal World” (lit. Northern World = white world). It was unthinkable to say these things not too long ago. The media meanwhile has signaled they no longer intend to demonize Baudet, like they did to Pim Fortuyn, which directly led to his murder:

    https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/demoniseer-baudet-niet-maar-weerleg-zijn-ideeen-zo-exact-mogelijk~b101820a/

    Regarding the speech: the “Owl of Minerva” refers to ancient Greek and Roman mythology and relates to wisdom.

    The sentence “the owl of Minerva begins her flight only at twilight”, means that people only begin to understand an event when it is already over.

  3. wildbourgman on Fri, 7th Jun 2019 12:38 pm 

    William, the people that lived under Stalin, Mau and Pol Pot might disagree with you. It really depends on what degree of socialism we stop at.

  4. makati1 on Fri, 7th Jun 2019 6:42 pm 

    wild, ANY degree of socialism will not work for long. Look at Europe. There will always be the givers and the takers. The US already has a big portion of socialism. Over half of Amerikans get some form of subsidy from the government. Now that it is getting close to collapse, all kinds of insane ideas will be tried, but they will fail.

    The US/West has been taking for centuries and the ‘givers’ have been, and are, robbed at the point of a gun, not voluntarily giving. The US has to be leveled to the lifestyle JHK portrays in the last paragraph. If you do not work, you do not eat. The real world outside the West. Time for Amerikans to ‘give back’ what they have stolen. OUCH!

  5. Anonymouse on Fri, 7th Jun 2019 7:02 pm 

    Kunstler certainly loves his straw-men. For profit education and ‘health care’ in the amerikan empire, have been a complete disaster, except for those at the very top of those particular pyramids of course. Even he admits this, yet turns around and implies, socialized medicine, wont magically cure amerikans of their obesity and massive sugar intake.

    That is, likely true, but it also a complete straw-man. Universal, government managed health-care system’s, do not have mandates to stop people from eating big macs or quitingg there 5 Big-Gulps a day drinking habits. In my country, people still smoke, eat rather poorly, or some do, and take in way too much sugar and salt. The Canada Health Act (example), was not created to stop of of that, and Im pretty sure it is not mentioned in the act at all.

    Kunstler here admits uS style ‘health-care’ is a racket, but socialized medicine is a money pit that will be swamped by free-loading moochers that cant and wont stop stuffing cheeseburgers down their pie-holes. Best option? Medieval level Health care apparently. Leeches and blood-letting for all, provided you can…pay for it? He is not really clear on how he would like to see post-uS health care operate. I get the impression if you drop dead of exhaustion in the fields, you’ll just left there to rot, because….that is how the World Made by Kunstler Care will function. I suppose.

    Ok jim, if universal health care systems are such abject failures, then why do they cost so much less, and result in much healthier populations over the uS by a wide margin? The us could have easily afforded a UHC sytem, but instead choose to spend its money on war, oil dependency and corporate welfare for the 1%.

    Whose fault is all that again? Kind of tough to blame all the poor decisions and rampant corrupt of the uS elite on those nasty ‘socialists’. Nothing resembling a socialist ever got within any inner circles of the uSgov or its priority setting mechanisms. Jim knows who and what racketeers in the uS are, yet still whines about ‘socialism’ in the same breath. W/E.

  6. Davy on Fri, 7th Jun 2019 7:15 pm 

    Great post Anonymouse.

    Saved to my notes.

  7. makati1 on Fri, 7th Jun 2019 7:41 pm 

    Was a time you went to a doctor in the US and paid for the visit with cash, a small bill most could afford. He even had the pills you needed on hand, no trip to a chain “drug” store. My doctor operated out of a few rooms in his house. Ditto for my dentist. No fancy building just for meds. Then “for profit” medicine was discovered and here we are. When the SHTF and all that melts away, we will go back to the old ways, IF we can. If not, well…good luck!

  8. makati1 on Fri, 7th Jun 2019 8:01 pm 

    Was a time you went to a doctor in the US and you paid for the visit with cash, a small bill most could afford. He even had the pills you needed on hand, part of the fee, no trip to a chain “drug” store. My doctor operated out of a few rooms in his house. Ditto for my dentist. No fancy building just for meds. Then “for profit” medicine was discovered and here we are. When the SHTF and all that melts away, we will go back to the old ways, IF we can. If not, well…good luck!

    The current ‘death care’ in the West is NOT very good. It is driving thousands of US families into bankruptcy or suicide. It is failing big time in the UK. You are taxed to death for socialized everything, but few see it or want to. So be it.

    https://mises.org/wire/universal-health-care-canada-colossal-government-failure
    https://www.businessinsider.com/why-us-health-care-bad-oecd-2017-6
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/06/nhs-failure-health-service

    The cost for a social heath care system that works for everyone is financially impossible in a ‘for profit’ environment. Not ever going to be possible in today’s world. Especially in the greedy US.

    “U.S. health care spending grew 3.9 percent in 2017, reaching $3.5 trillion or $10,739 per person. As a share of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product, health spending accounted for 17.9 percent.Dec 11, 2018”

    https://www.cms.gov/research-statistics-data…/nationalhealthaccountshistorical.html

    Here in the Philippines, the government provides BASIC medical coverage for all, but if you need meds or treatments, you pay for them, although they will be a small percentage of the costs in the US. Our 73 year old neighbor has been in the local hospital for over four weeks and all he had to pay for was his pneumonia meds, which we covered. It may not be the best system, but it takes care of most needs. No co-pay, monthly insurance bills or bankrupting fees to deal with.

  9. Theedrich on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 4:12 am 

    The ÆTAS MEDIA will return.  Kunstler is right.  Caesar and princes at the top, peasants at the bottom.  But the nobility will almost certainly retain enough power to keep at least a few nuclear weapons and delivery systems, maybe along with comparatively cheap cyberstuff for the few.  That is what makes the future so surreal and unthinkable for the “growth” aficionados.

    Few people besides JHK are able to overcome their cognitive dissonance long enough to see where the planet is headed.  Modern American education, controlled by unions, lobbies and other “stakeholders,” has mastered the techniques of mass thought control, which bars sinful realism from reaching consciousness.  The media, academia, Hollywood, the Democrat traitors and the immutable DeepState (e.g., the NSA, etc.) make sure that distracting “patent idiocies” and “toxic consumption” continue to feed our rescue fantasies.

    This past week, in spite of Trump’s best tariff-threatening efforts to force the mafia-controlled government of Mexico to stop the torrent of Central American Spics from invading the U.S., the agribusinesses of the farm states made their Republican Party marionettes surrender the nation to the international drug and people-smuggling cartels.  So there is no chance of change.  Global ecocide will continue.  130 Americans per day will continue to die of drug overdoses, the cancer of child sex slavery will continue to metastasize, and the nation’s cities will continue to decay into swamps of homelessness, crime and despair, just as the Democratic Party of Traitors and the RINOs want.

    There is no solution.  Russia and China now lead us in hypersonic missiles and are determined not to be pushed around by the United States and its dog-waggers any longer.  The world now depends on cyber super-programmers who constitute a double-edged sword, and who may reside not only in America, Russia and China, but anywhere.  It is impossible to tell how long this unstable powder keg can remain unexploded.

    A toxic cocktail indeed.  But complexity-musclebound Yankeeland contemplates only its own navel, and imagines that tomorrow will never come.

  10. Dredd on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 9:34 am 

    a nation of shameless racketeering, vivid wealth disparity, and shocking destitution on display in city streets” – Mr, Kunstler

    That is what happens when the future seems further away than the past, because it is a result of a lack of vision (Economic War Of The Pacific – 6).

    US Socialism is entitlements for Oil-Qaeda and the 1%, little in comparison to those who need it.

  11. JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 12:28 pm 

    2020 Democrats’ Progressive Plans Will Cost Taxpayers Trillions
    As 2020 Democratic presidential contenders unveil their ambitious progressive platforms, one thing is very clear; if enacted, taxpayers will be on the hook for trillions of dollars, according to The Hill. Taking the cake would be Sen. Bernie Sanders’s (I-VT) “Medicare for All” bill, coming in at a cost of $32 trillion during its first 10 years, or an estimated 10.7 – 12.7% of GDP, according to the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. Candidate Jay Inslee’s “Global Climate Mobilization” plan touted by environmentalists as the “gold standard” would cost the United States $3 trillion over 10 years. The plan would see the United States rejoining the Paris Climate Accord, encouraging “climate” refugees from El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras and Nicaragua to resettle in the United States, doubling the US investment in the Global Climate Fund for green technology, and cutting fossil fuel subsidies while “implementing widespread prohibitions against financing for fossil fuel projects overseas.” Joe Biden wants to repeal GOP tax cuts and eliminate oil subsidies for his $1.7 trillion plan. Meanwhile, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) wants to eliminate tuition at public colleges and erase student debt at an estimated cost of $1.25 trillion over 10 years. She would pay for it by slapping a 2% tax on Americans worth more than $50 million and a 3% tax on those worth over $1 billion.

  12. JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 12:32 pm 

    OOps forgot that came from my favorite news site Zero Hedge

  13. More Davy Identity Theft and Projections on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 1:37 pm 

    JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 12:28 pm

    JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 12:32 pm

    “that came from my favorite news site Zero Hedge”

  14. Davy on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 2:10 pm 

    Ya know juanpee. I just got to say. Out of all the people I hate which is almost everyone, I hate you the most.

  15. JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 2:13 pm 

    Awww. Gee thanks Davy.

  16. Davy on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 3:31 pm 

    You’re welcome fuck nut.

  17. JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 3:55 pm 

    Meadows: FBI Knew ‘Within 60 Days’ That Russia Probe ‘Built On A Foundation Of Sand’
    Mark Meadows confirmed what many have suspected about the Trump-Russia for a long time; the FBI knew early on that the foundation of its counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign was built on ‘a foundation of sand,’ reports the Daily Caller’s Chuck Ross. North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows (R) told Hannity Friday night that the FBI knew “within 60 days of them opening the investigation, prior to [Robert] Mueller coming on, the FBI and the [Department of Justice] knew that Christopher Steele was not credible, the dossier was not true, George Papadopoulos was innocent.” Meadows did not elaborate on why he believes the FBI knew their investigation was built on a mountain of lies, however according to The Hill’s John Solomon last month, memos which were retroactively classified by the DOJ reveal that a high-ranking government official who met with Christopher Steele in October 2016 determined that information in the Trump-Russia dossier was inaccurate, and likely leaked to the media. Meadows also suggested that the FBI had exculpatory information on Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, who was fed the rumor that Russia had negative information on Hillary Clinton, and later bilked for said information by a Clinton-linked Australian diplomat. Papadopoulos would later be subject to a spying operation in which the FBI sent in two operatives to trick the Trump adviser in a failed business / honeypot operation. The bureau opened its investigation of the Trump campaign on July 31, 2016, after receiving a tip about Papadopoulos from the Australian government. Within those two months, the FBI team leading the investigation received information from Steele’s dossier. The FBI also dispatched a longtime FBI informant, Stefan Halper, to meet with Papadopoulos. The pair met in London in mid-September 2016 after Halper offered Papadopoulos $3,000 to write a policy paper. Halper, a former Cambridge professor, was accompanied by a woman he claimed was his assistant, Azra Turk. She is reportedly a government investigator. Meadows in the past has suggested the FBI had exculpatory information on Papadopoulos that showed the Trump aide was not working with Russia. -Daily Caller The FBI relied on the Steele dossier to obtain surveillance warrants on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, ostensibly allowing the Obama administration to surveil those Page was in contact with.

  18. Cloggie on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 4:02 pm 

    The German East is different.

    The CDU in Saxony, against the CDU party line in Berlin, demands an end of anti-Russian sanctions.

    The CDU leader Kretschmer in Saxony has travelled to Petersburg where he met Russian presidentr Vladimir Putin and invited him to visit Saxony:

    https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Kretschmer-fordert-Annaeherung-an-Russland-article21072833.html

    Kretschmer is afraid that the AfD could surpass the CDU in the East in the upcoming September elections and hence his pro-Russian stance.

  19. Cloggie on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 4:05 pm 

    Putin and Kretschmer yesterday in Petersburg:

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/60711

    Populists undermining the standard western anti-Russia hysteria.LOL

  20. JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 4:08 pm 

    OOpsee forgot that came from my favorite news site Zero Hedge

  21. Cloggie on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 4:10 pm 

    Success for Moscow:

    Russia full, paying member again of the European Council. Membership was put on hold as a sanction on the Crimea. That sanction has been fully rolled-back:

    https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Europarat-legt-Konflikt-mit-Russland-bei-article21030516.html

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2019/06/06/no-limits-for-russia-how-pace-agreed-to-lift-sanctions-on-the-aggressor/

  22. makati1 on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 6:24 pm 

    Well said Theedrich. Most Americans cannot see or smell their own shit piled all around them. (Well, maybe they can in San Fran. lol) They are masters of hypocrisy, always pointing the finger of blame at some 3rd world country, never looking in the mirror. The rest of the world sees America for the corrupt, immoral, mafia infested, terrorist country it is.

    Blow-back is going to be very painful when it happens. Today’s disasters are just a warmup for America’s future. They cannot begin to understand how much they are hated around the world, but I think they are soon going to find out. They better bring some necessary industry back into the 48 because the world is going to cut them off bit by bit.

    Trump is isolating the US one tweet at a time. He is forcing the world to become independent of US exports and imports. To find workarounds for the USD. Soon, the printing presses will be turning out million dollar bills to buy bread. Wait and see. I hope you are preparing for that day. It is coming soon.

    GO TRUMP! TRUMP IN 2020! Build that wall of isolation! You can do it! LMAO

  23. More Davy Identity Theft and Projections on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 6:41 pm 

    JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 3:55 pm

    JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 4:08 pm

    “OOpsee forgot that came from my favorite news site Zero Hedge”

  24. Davy on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 6:48 pm 

    Great post makati1!

    Saved to my notes.

  25. JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 7:13 pm 

    GO TRUMP! TRUMP IN 2020! Build that wall! You can do it! YEA

  26. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 7:15 pm 

    Young adults ‘hate’ Republicans, David Brooks says

    “To put it bluntly, young adults hate them,” says Brooks, who is viewed as a center-right pundit. “It’s hard to look at the generational data and not see long-term disaster for Republicans.”

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/young-adults-hate-republicans-david-brooks-says-2019-06-04?fbclid=IwAR3TJccl-hNH-LCLzDoD5p4w0JNh1fVEZctolQc9GfV4d71rLuR6NX8Ny-k

  27. More Davy Identity Theft and Projections on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 7:38 pm 

    JuanP on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 7:13 pm

    “GO TRUMP! TRUMP IN 2020!”

  28. DMyers on Sat, 8th Jun 2019 11:33 pm 

    Kunstler seems to have run out of patience with, and decided to try to clean up, the Left. He presents himself as arbiter of reality and focuses on reality.

    The Left, of course, is all about fantasy utopias, and that just isn’t rubbing right with JHK. It is what it is. Pretending it’s something else isn’t going to help. Facing reality is a prerequisite to solving real problems.

  29. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 4:19 am 

    Boris Johnson has vowed not to pay the divorce bill of 39B, until he gets a “better deal”:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7120359/Boris-Johnson-vows-deliver-Brexit-hold-promised-39BILLION-divorce-payment.html

    This wannabee Churchill playing the tough guy…

    https://www.politico.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/boris_crop-1200×628.jpg

    …and the lads that support him will love it. “1939 all over again” and everybody knows that “Gods own country” always wins wars! Well then, bring it on! Show these damned “Eurocrats” running “the block” who is chief!

    I however can’t think of a better way for continental Europe to get rid of the West and Anglo-Zionism once and for all. The potential for a final split is enormous. The UK (with US backing) is going to try to split up the EU…

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/04/27/barnier-verhofstadt-farage-wants-to-destroy-the-eu/

    …while the EU is going to try to demolish the UK (with Russian and Chinese backing). I would venture that the cards for the EU to succeed are much better.

    Brussels has made it clear it will not renegotiate, certainly not with someone like BoJo. A Corbyn PM could be a little different, because this Brexiteer at least sincerely wants to keep his country integrated economically with the EU.

    Regarding not paying the divorce bill, for starters it is highly unlikely that a PM BoJo will be ever in a position to leave the EU without a deal. There are too many in Westminster, even among the Tory and Labour Brexiteers, who will block that, because they understand what a disaster that would be: a self-amputation.

    In reality it would mean that the UK will deliver itself on a silver platter, to serve as a buffet to be plundered by the US, like Russian tourists do in shabby Turkish hotel. Trump was already salivating at the idea, as demanded during his recent visit, to abolish the beloved British NHS and subject the poor British commoner to US “health standards”, meaning to fill the pockets of CEOs of huge pharmaceutical companies, while bankrupting the British patient.

    For continental Europeans of the Gaullist variety, Brexit is a God-sent. It offers the once-in-a-life-time opportunity to finally get rid of empire 1945-202x and park ourselves in a winning coalition with Russia and abolish multicult.

    In case of a no-deal Brexit we will never see those 39B back, but the means to compensate ourselves are enormous:

    – Gibraltar, that Dutch-English conquest of 1704 had its day.
    – Reunification Ireland. That artificial country Northern-Ireland, entirely defined by the advance of the Dutch army in 169x, also had its day. The imposition of the back-stop will ensure that the civil war will flare up again.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-brexit-is-making-irish-reunification-a-real-possibility/

    – Scottish independence. Scotland voted 55-45 against independence, but voted 62-38 against Brexit as well. If the reality of a no-deal Brexit sinks in, things will look entirely different. And if Westminster would allow a no-deal Brexit to happen, the pretext is created for Scotland to leave the UK without a deal as well, even no referendum required, but a new referendum would likely lead to independence. Note that Scotland was independent between the end of the Roman era and 1707, when the Scottish screwed up financially and were bailed out in a friendly take-over by the English:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme

    – EU-UK hostility would bring extra impetus to finally get the EU-army started

    – EU-UK hostility would also lead to finally come clean with history and push through hard-core WW1/WW2 historic revisionism, and replace a history-writing that is now entirely one-sided pro-Anglo, as a result of the reality of empire (winners write the history, invariably to their own advantage). Think of the the sort of revisionism I promoted here unopposed by anyone for years. It remains to be seen of mobster’s magical “real historians at Reddit” will be able to put up much of a resistance.

    Brexit, BoJo and Trump: bye-bye Five Eyes!

  30. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 4:50 am 

    New German birth rates are in:

    http://www.pi-news.net/2019/06/hurra-die-neuen-geburtenzahlen-sind-da/

    There is a steady upwards trend to be observed for ethnic Germans from a low of 1.20 in 1994, up until 1.46 today. The subsidized foreigners, subsidized by the despicable vassals of empire, are doing much better.

    Nothing that can be solved though by thorough “own people first” policies. Russia for instance managed to increase birth rates from 1.0 to 1.6 in a matter of 20 years:

    https://tinyurl.com/yyuhtfdw

    This is nowhere enough and the measures are not draconian enough. What is needed are:

    – stiff tax tariffs for childless (“wankertax”)
    – public shaming through public propaganda
    – considerable lump sums for every child born, like 10k euro
    – forced firing of childless from a job if a candidate appears who has children and needs to support them

  31. JuanP on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 5:15 am 

    “This is nowhere enough and the measures are not draconian enough. What is needed are:”

    Get real Cloggie, we don’t need more people in this overpopulated world. I got a vasectomy which means I am special in regards to ecological issues. I can live like a king in Miami Beach and deserve it because I don’t have kids.

  32. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 5:17 am 

    Trump-Piers Morgan interview:

    Americans invariably love Churchill, because this half-American handed over half of Europe (including Britain) to the Americans and the other half to the Soviets, what’s not to like from US perspective:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/06/08/20/14543862-0-image-a-24_1560023367238.jpg

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7119827/PIERS-MORGAN-tells-inside-story-world-exclusive-interview-President.html

    The official lie is that Britain came to the aid of Poland in 1939, but after the war Poland was handed over to the loving care of Stalin, by the very same Churchill:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentages_agreement#/media/File:Percentages_agreement2.jpg

    It was never about Poland. Poland, not Germany, caused WW2, because it began to ethnically cleanse Versailles Poland from Germans (behind the scenes encouraged by the Americans, who were the only ones keen to get the war in Europe started), forcing Hitler’s hand:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/5445161/Russia-accuses-Poland-of-starting-Second-World-War.html

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/chamberlain-and-the-forrestal-diaries/

    Shortly after a Brexit, especially after a hostile, no-deal Brexit, this will become common knowledge in continental Europe. Expect Russia to come clean with history and open its archives and tell the truth about WW2, including the holohoax, in return for admission to the geopolitical European dinner table (PBM).

  33. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 5:20 am 

    “Get real Cloggie, we don’t need more people in this overpopulated world. I got a vasectomy which means I am special in regards to ecological issues. I can live like a king in Miami Beach and deserve it because I don’t have kids.”

    Why don’t you nail yourself to a cross, mobster, like is usance in your circles.

  34. I AM THE MOB IDENTITY THEFT on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 5:28 am 

    JuanP on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 5:15 am

  35. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 5:48 am 

    CLogg

    You are nothing more than a white trash carnival barker!

    Get a fucking life you waste of space..

    Did you mother not hug you enough? Is that why you turned into a vile and disgusting Nazi?

    HAHAHA

  36. Darrell Cloud on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 5:54 am 

    Good to see a rational comment section as opposed to a pissing contest.

  37. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 7:16 am 

    “You are nothing more than a white trash carnival barker!”

    I’m really getting on your nerves, now don’t I, mobby. That’s good. Sure sign that in your own kosher estimation you are losing the discussion. From a goy.

    Chosenite in a tail spin. Mobster mad max 737 going down, going down.lol

  38. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 7:58 am 

    The US controls all the GPS satellites in the world..If we wanted to we could turn off any countries GPS capabilities..That means no more guided missiles or planes etc..
    http://nation.time.com/2012/05/21/how-much-does-gps-cost/

    China and Russia ain’t shit! Good luck fighting a war without GPS!

    HAHAH

  39. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 8:15 am 

    Clogg

    Its so cringy to see your 10k word post..Nobody even responds or cares..You are just trying to convince yourself..

    You are a crazy person with a guilty conscious..End of story..

    You lie about nearly everything and refuse to get your arguments versified..You just hate jews because they are wealthy and powerful which is everything you are not..

    LOL

  40. Cloggie on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 8:30 am 

    “The US controls all the GPS satellites in the world..If we wanted to we could turn off any countries GPS capabilities..That means no more guided missiles or planes etc..”

    GPS is so seventies. Europe has something much better:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

    And Russia and China have their own modern system.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou

    Accuracy:

    Galileo – 1 cm
    BeiDou – 10 cm
    Glonass – 3 m
    GPS – up to 5 m

    OMG, US last! Which is not that surprising considering the launch date.

    But what does mobby know?
    Exactly, nothing!

    “You just hate jews because they are wealthy and powerful which is everything you are not..”

    Eh no, I dislike your tribe because you try to destroy our European civilization, using their Americans as their water carriers. Via WW2 and via multicult:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/chamberlain-and-the-forrestal-diaries/

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2018/10/31/eric-kaufmann-on-white-shift/

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/paul-krugman-white-americans-are-losing-their-country/

    Fortunately America is even more destroyed by kosher sponsored mass immigration…

    https://tinyurl.com/y6gg3wma

    …than Europe and meanwhile Russia and China, who don’t like you either, are too strong to be defeated:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/01/07/the-good-news-zog-is-dying/

    All the world needs to do is wait for the final Dems-Reps show-down…

    tic-toc-tic-toc

    Oh, and we’ll be the protectors of European-Americans in the Heartland, after the break.

    Questions, mobby?

  41. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 8:54 am 

    Clogg

    You have to cling to disgusting nazi groups..Because normal society rejects you..

    when is the last time you got laid?

    Angry, bigoted, and paranoid

    LOL

  42. More Davy Identity Theft on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 9:03 am 

    JuanP on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 5:15 am

  43. JuanP on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 10:10 am 

    Fucking liberal dimwit corruption:
    Boeing, Obama, A Gold Watch, And 346 Dead
    Democrats want to make Donald Trump the issue in 2020. If they do, they will lose again, the way they lost in 2016. Instead, the 2020 election should be about corporate power in all of its manifestations, its hold on the culture, our country and both major political parties. Take the case of the two Boeing 737 Max 8 airplane crashes — the Lion Air crash off the coast of Jakarta, Indonesia in October 2018 that killed all 189 on board and the Ethiopian Airlines crash in March 2019 that killed all 157 on board. During his time as President of the United States, Barack Obama promoted the sale of Boeing planes — including the 737 Max 8 planes — around the world. In November 2011, in Bali, Indonesia, President Obama announced an agreement between Boeing and Lion Air. “For the last several days I’ve been talking about how we have to make sure that we’ve got a presence in this region, that it can result directly in jobs at home,” Obama said. “And what we see here — a multibillion-dollar deal between Lion Air — one of the fastest-growing airlines not just in the region, but in the world — and Boeing is going to result in over 100,000 jobs back in the United States of America, over a long period of time.” “This represents the largest deal, if I’m not mistaken, that Boeing has ever done. We are looking at over 200 planes that are going to be sold.” In September 2014, Obama met with the Prime Minister of Ethiopia at the White House. “We’re strong trading partners,” Obama said. “And most recently, Boeing has done a deal with Ethiopia, which will result in jobs here in the United States.” “I’m expecting a gold watch from Boeing at the end of my presidency because I know I’m on the list of top salesmen at Boeing,” Obama said at an export forum at the White House in September 2013. Of course, Obama got more than just a gold watch from Boeing when he left the White House. According to a report from Bloomberg, Boeing donated $10 million to the Obama presidential library and museum in Chicago. And earlier this year, Obama dropped in to speak to a Boeing leadership retreat at a swank resort in Scottsdale, Arizona. Obama gratefully waived his $400,000 speaking fee. While pushing the sale of Boeing planes around the world, the Obama administration was at the same time fast tracking a dangerous deregulatory process at the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) that effectively put the corporations in charge of the safety certification process — and that in effect put Boeing in charge of certifying it’s faulty MCAS software that led to the tragedies in Indonesia and Ethiopia. The FAA certification system is known as the Organization Designation Authorization (ODA) program. Under that program, companies like Boeing can appoint their own representatives to act in the place of FAA inspectors. In 2004, one of the unions representing FAA inspectors – Professional Aviation Safety Specialists (PASS) – criticized the proposed ODA program as “premature and reckless.” “Allowing the aviation industry to self-regulate in this manner is nothing more than the blatant outsourcing of inspector functions and handing over inherently governmental oversight activities to non-governmental, for-profit entities,” PASS wrote in its 2004 comments to the FAA. Would a more independent FAA have prevented the two recent Boeing crashes? Yes, says Paul Hudson of Flyer’s Rights. “The ODA program has allowed Boeing to effectively self certify the MCAS software as safe,” Hudson told Corporate Crime Reporter. “Boeing ‘s CEO, whistleblowers and FAA now admit they failed to properly test, fully connect, or even disclose MCAS, much less its deadly defects and overpowering features — not to the FAA higher ups, not to airline pilots or not even to its own test pilots.” “Air travel has gotten much safer due to both safety regulation and technical advancements,” Hudson said. “But profit seeking over safety at all costs is destroying both safety and profits.” “Some Boeing safety inspectors have summed up the current culture as ‘safety is king but schedule is God,” Hudson said. “I asked Boeing in December after the Lion Air crash to ground the Max. Boeing refused.”

  44. JuanP on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 10:15 am 

    OOppsee, forgot that came from my favorite news source zero hedge

  45. More Davy Identity Theft and Projections on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 10:18 am 

    JuanP on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 10:10 am

    JuanP on Sun, 9th Jun 2019 10:15 am

    “OOppsee, forgot that came from my favorite news source zero hedge”

  46. Cloggie on Tue, 11th Jun 2019 1:55 am 

    Breakfast with the Mail:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7126491/M20-motorway-disappears-underwater-south-east-hit-flash-flooding.html

    “Millions face rush-hour travel chaos as flash flooding leaves motorway underwater and sinkholes close roads – and there’s MORE torrential rain on the way today”

    Can we have some of that in Holland too, please?

    So far no horror Summer in Europe. Moderate temperatures, but still too dry.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7126371/Brussels-preparing-use-technology-trade-flowing-Ireland-No-Deal-Brexit-happens.html

    Perhaps a technological solution coming up for the dreaded backstop problem. Anything to achieve the desired breakup of the West, allowing continental Europe to turn to Eurasia, away from the Anglos.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7126455/New-York-Times-stop-publishing-political-cartoons-printed-anti-Semitic-caricature.html

    “New York Times to stop publishing political cartoons weeks after it was slammed for an anti-Semitic caricature showing Netanyahu as a dog leading a skullcap-wearing Trump”

    LOL

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7124569/Jeremy-Hunts-wife-Lucia-smiles-striking-red-dress-pitches-Tory-leader.html

    In England it helps a Tory’s chances if he has a foreign wife. Sigh.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7125657/A-five-bed-romp-jealous-rage-led-Michael-Gove-fight-dirty-love-rival.html

    The Mail has started a campaign to torpedo Michael Gove.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7125459/Labour-MPs-boycott-newly-elected-Lisa-Forbes-official-photocall-anti-Semitism-row.html

    The Labour woman who defeated Farage in Petersborough has her heart at the right place as well. Hit them hard, Lisa!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7125159/Trump-clobbers-big-tech-companies-warns-easy-money-sue-fine-them.html

    Trump threatens to shop-lift libtard tech-companies. Hit them hard, Donald!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-7125385/Economy-hit-car-makers-stopped-production-ahead-original-March-31-Brexit-deadline.html

    Britain lost half of its car production recently, in the wake of the Brexit drama. According the WSJ, the global car economy has reached peak car anyway and if it needs to cut production, the UK is the most logical place to start.

  47. Cloggie on Tue, 11th Jun 2019 4:21 pm 

    The EU has repeated once again that there will be no new negotiations over the terms of Brexit:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/11/no-renegotiation-withdrawal-agreement-french-minister

    Additionally the EU is not prepared to postpone the exit one more time, unless there is a real breakthrough in British politics. A BoJo PM is definitely not to be considered a breakthrough.

    If BoJo becomes PM, which is likely, AND BoJo finds the door to Brussels closed (certainty) AND parliament refuses a no-deal to happen (almost certain)… than the EU will make a no-deal Brexit happen.

    The only way for Westminster to escape from this scenario and get an extension after all is in case of a 2nd referendum or new elections.

    A Corbyn PM would probably find a way to talk with Brussels.

    BoJo has very few options and his prime minister-ship could be short-lived.

  48. Cloggie on Wed, 12th Jun 2019 1:24 am 

    The battle to stop Boris:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7129209/Gove-jibes-Boris-Johnsons-insane-tax-cut-plan-submarine-campaign.html

    “Battle to stop Boris: Remainer MPs launch cross-party plot to scupper a no-deal Brexit as former Foreign Secretary unveils his leadership bid TODAY with a pledge to leave the EU by Oct 31”

    Saw that Rory Stewart guy yesterday on Newsnight. Sympathetic chap, pleasant smile, the new voice of reason, now that Theresa May is gone. He could end up as #2 in the Tory leadership contest and lose from BoJo anyway, initially. But it Remains to be seen how long BoJo can hold out in a majority Remain parliament. The EU could push the UK into either new elections or a 2nd referendum. If not, the EU will impose a no deal, which will force Westminster into either elections or a 2nd referendum. Bye-bye Boris. Signing the Barnier-Raab treaty is the only sensible way forward and Rory Stewart could deliver that in the end as the PM AFTER BoJo.

    Yes, British politics is complicated.

    The New Italy/New Europe latest:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7130339/German-boat-captain-faces-20-years-prison-Italy-rescuing-1-000-migrants.html

    “Female German boat captain, 35, faces up to 20 years in prison in Italy for RESCUING more than 1,000 migrants in the Mediterranean”

    Excellent, throw away the keys! Germany is a nation mentally ruined by decades of incessant WW2-propaganda. Italy not so much. At the moment, Italy and Russia are the two great beacons of hope for white survival. And, indirectly, China as well, in it’s ability to stop the US once and for all.

    The populist progress made in Italy is immense, Hail Salvini! lol

  49. Cloggie on Wed, 12th Jun 2019 1:56 am 

    UK farmers to their future king on Brexit: “‘it was like turkeys voting for Christmas'”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7129185/Prince-William-asks-farmers-Brexit-big-concern-told-like-turkeys-voting-Christmas.html

    “The sheep farmers in Cumbria told the royals they could face 40 per cent tariffs”

    I already know which tiny country, but agricultural super power, will step into the void left by Brexit.

    Few in Britain realize that the UK was in the EU on the cheap, thanks to the rebate, making the UK merely the 5th net payer in the EU (billion), where it is the 2nd economy in Europe:

    1. Germany 23.2
    2. France 19.4
    3. Italy 13.9
    4. Spain 9.5
    5. UK 12.7 – 5 rebate = 7.7

    Britain will never get access to such a lucrative market so cheap ever again. No deal Brexit means that the UK will be plucked by the US to the bone. Britain dug itself so deep into their Splendid Isolation hole, that that hole might as well serve as their grave. Holding on to Splendid Isolation, plotting for the demise of Germany as off 1891, cost the British their empire eventually. Now it could mean losing Scotland, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, major industries, the NHS and increased immigration from the third world, once the US gets the hapless country entirely in its possession.

    Brussels already made it clear that if Bregret sets in, as it will, the rebate will be over and euro must be accepted.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-remain-eu-worse-terms-guy-verhofstadt-european-parliament-negotiator-a7790886.html

    It is unlikely going to happen. The English are going to dig themselves in and play 1939 again.

    /shrug

  50. Cloggie on Wed, 12th Jun 2019 3:08 pm 

    Rory Stewart, the likable Brexiteer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2eAc–E-XY

    Even der Spiegel likes him (“anti-clown”), but they fear he is too serious and to polite to win, probably correct:

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/rory-stewart-will-britischer-premierminister-werden-der-anti-clown-a-1272064.html

    Perhaps he will make it to the final round and be remembered if the UK is driven into the no-deal Brexit abyss, possibly by the EU, fed up with Brexit.

    Stewart as plan B, after BoJo.

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