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Ignore the Fake Climate Debate

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Beyond the headlines and social media, where Greta Thunberg, Donald Trump and the online armies of climate “alarmists” and “deniers” do battle, there is a real climate debate bubbling along in scientific journals, conferences and, occasionally, even in the halls of Congress. It gets a lot less attention than the boisterous and fake debate that dominates our public discourse, but it is much more relevant to how the world might actually address the problem.

In the real climate debate, no one denies the relationship between human emissions of greenhouse gases and a warming climate. Instead, the disagreement comes down to different views of climate risk in the face of multiple, cascading uncertainties.

On one side of the debate are optimists, who believe that, with improving technology and greater affluence, our societies will prove quite adaptable to a changing climate. On the other side are pessimists, who are more concerned about the risks associated with rapid, large-scale and poorly understood transformations of the climate system.

But most pessimists do not believe that runaway climate change or a hothouse earth are plausible scenarios, much less that human extinction is imminent. And most optimists recognize a need for policies to address climate change, even if they don’t support the radical measures that Ms. Thunberg and others have demanded.

In the fake climate debate, both sides agree that economic growth and reduced emissions vary inversely; it’s a zero-sum game. In the real debate, the relationship is much more complicated. Long-term economic growth is associated with both rising per capita energy consumption and slower population growth. For this reason, as the world continues to get richer, higher per capita energy consumption is likely to be offset by a lower population.

A man walks on the seawall in Jakarta, Indonesia, built in 2017 in anticipation of rising sea levels. Photo: Anton Raharjo/NurPhoto/Getty Images

A richer world will also likely be more technologically advanced, which means that energy consumption should be less carbon-intensive than it would be in a poorer, less technologically advanced future. In fact, a number of the high-emissions scenarios produced by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change involve futures in which the world is relatively poor and populous and less technologically advanced.

Affluent, developed societies are also much better equipped to respond to climate extremes and natural disasters. That’s why natural disasters kill and displace many more people in poor societies than in rich ones. It’s not just seawalls and flood channels that make us resilient; it’s air conditioning and refrigeration, modern transportation and communications networks, early warning systems, first responders and public health bureaucracies.

New research published in the journal Global Environmental Change finds that global economic growth over the last decade has reduced climate mortality by a factor of five, with the greatest benefits documented in the poorest nations. In low-lying Bangladesh, 300,000 people died in Cyclone Bhola in 1970, when 80% of the population lived in extreme poverty. In 2019, with less than 20% of the population living in extreme poverty, Cyclone Fani killed just five people.

Poor nations are most vulnerable to a changing climate. The fastest way to reduce that vulnerability is through economic development.

So while it is true that poor nations are most vulnerable to a changing climate, it is also true that the fastest way to reduce that vulnerability is through economic development, which requires infrastructure and industrialization. Those activities, in turn, require cement, steel, process heat and chemical inputs, all of which are impossible to produce today without fossil fuels.

For this and other reasons, the world is unlikely to cut emissions fast enough to stabilize global temperatures at less than 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, the long-standing international target, much less 1.5 degrees, as many activists now demand. But recent forecasts also suggest that many of the worst-case climate scenarios produced in the last decade, which assumed unbounded economic growth and fossil-fuel development, are also very unlikely.

There is still substantial uncertainty about how sensitive global temperatures will be to higher emissions over the long-term. But the best estimates now suggest that the world is on track for 3 degrees of warming by the end of this century, not 4 or 5 degrees as was once feared. That is due in part to slower economic growth in the wake of the global financial crisis, but also to decades of technology policy and energy-modernization efforts.

We have better and cleaner technologies available today because policy-makers in the U.S. and elsewhere set out to develop those technologies.

The energy intensity of the global economy continues to fall. Lower-carbon natural gas has displaced coal as the primary source of new fossil energy. The falling cost of wind and solar energy has begun to have an effect on the growth of fossil fuels. Even nuclear energy has made a modest comeback in Asia.

All of this suggests that continuing political, economic and technological modernization, not a radical remaking of society, is the key to both slowing climate change and adapting to it. And while the progress we’ve made has mostly not been due to climate policies that would cap, regulate or tax emissions, it has required government action.

We have better and cleaner technologies available today because policy-makers in the U.S. and elsewhere set out to develop those technologies, from hydraulic fracturing to solar panels to electric vehicles. Adaptive capacities around the world have also improved dramatically because policy-makers have invested in infrastructure, technology and economic development. And a decades-long commitment to expanded global trade and international development institutions has brought greater economic opportunities to many regions of the world that historically have been left behind.

Acknowledging that we have made progress should not deter continued investment in clean technology and climate adaptation. Rather, it should encourage us to redouble those efforts, especially because uncertainty still looms large in any assessment of climate risk. At the high end of current estimates of climate sensitivity, the world could still experience 4 or 5 degrees of warming in this century, even with significantly lower emissions.

Moreover, even if climate change does not threaten social or economic collapse, anyone who has lived through the California wildfires of recent years, or the bushfires that are currently encircling Sydney, Australia, can tell you that this is not a future most people would desire. And even if human societies end up adapting well to climate change, the planet’s biodiversity almost certainly will not.

Such conclusions are unlikely to satisfy the noisy participants in the fake climate debate. But the utopian dreams of those who wish to radically reorganize the world to stop climate change are not a plausible global future. Nor will denying the relationship between carbon emissions and global warming make the real risks of climate change go away. The world will tackle this problem the way that it tackles most other problems, partially and incrementally, by taking up the challenges that are right in front of us—adaptation, economic development, energy modernization, public health—and finding practical ways to address them.


80 Comments on "Ignore the Fake Climate Debate"

  1. Cloggie on Fri, 24th Jan 2020 9:38 am 

    Peak globalization indication.
    Attractive cities to tourists: get lost

    “Crack down” on tourists.

    “Destinations have vowed to fight back against overtourism for 2020”

    (Europe only)

    “CNN looked at the measures announced by five of Europe’s biggest destinations: Venice, Amsterdam, Santorini, Barcelona and Dubrovnik. All unveiled plans in 2019 to change tourism for the better. Have any of them worked? And what’s on the cards for 2020?”

  2. Cloggie on Fri, 24th Jan 2020 11:07 am 

    “US and Europe clash over climate crisis threat on last Davos day”

    What else is new.

    Currently finished reading “Losing Earth” by the “New York intellectual” Nathaniel Rich. Very thin on science, very rich on activism. One huge expression of disappointment with the behavior of US business, that couldn’t care less about anything but profits.

    Nothing has changed.

    What is needed is a global (read: Eurasian) front to stop them.

    But first let’s see how this virus drama plays out. Could be a good occasion to kill globalism and global trade once and for all.

  3. The Reel Donald on Fri, 24th Jan 2020 11:14 am 

    LOL @ Nordhaus. What a fucking moron.

  4. The Board on Fri, 24th Jan 2020 1:25 pm 

    The Reel Retard

    Cloggnatzi on Fri, 24th Jan 2020 9:38 am
    Cloggnatzi on Fri, 24th Jan 2020 11:07 am

  5. bob owens on Fri, 24th Jan 2020 7:02 pm 

    Any program to save the planet that doesn’t start with a house-by-house, block by block insulation retrofit is a non-starter. From there you would eliminate air conditioning for all but critical institutions – hospitals. Then you develop wind and solar as much as possible. Set a speed limit of 55 on Interstates, 35 on all other roads unless posted lower. Ground all planes. All cars are to only have 4 cylinder engines except for heavy commercial. This would reduce our fossil fuel use by about 50 percent and we would have a chance to save the planet. Anything less won’t work. Note that this would not reduce anyone’s living standard; we would just lose our toys. Until we do this we are not serious.

  6. JuanP on Fri, 24th Jan 2020 11:04 pm 

    Any program to save the planet that doesn’t start with free sterilizations, contraceptives, and abortions for the whole planet is a waste of time.

  7. Cloggie on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 3:11 am 

    “Any program to save the planet that doesn’t start with a house-by-house, block by block insulation retrofit is a non-starter. From there you would eliminate air conditioning for all but critical institutions – hospitals. Then you develop wind and solar as much as possible. Set a speed limit of 55 on Interstates, 35 on all other roads unless posted lower. Ground all planes. All cars are to only have 4 cylinder engines except for heavy commercial. This would reduce our fossil fuel use by about 50 percent and we would have a chance to save the planet. Anything less won’t work. Note that this would not reduce anyone’s living standard; we would just lose our toys. Until we do this we are not serious.”

    Message to ground control:

    Program underway in Europe.


  8. makati1 on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 3:17 am 

    Bob, you are delusional. Insulation? Air Conditioning? How about eliminating the billion plus cars and making you walk? Now there is a change that truly would make a difference. But, it ain’t gonna happen.

    Do you realize most of the world does not need to heat their homes? For example: India. 1.3 billion people. Minimum temp in 2019 was 9.4C or 49F. Not going to freeze to death at that temp. Uncomfortable maybe.

    Most people have no A/C. “When we look in fact at the hot countries in the world, in Africa, Asia, Latin America and the Middle East, where about 2.8 billion people live, only about 8 percent of the population owns an air-conditioner,” WIKI

    BTW: How much EXTRA FF energy will you need to try to replace FFs with solar/wind in the next few decades? Answer: Way more than the FF used today.

    Get educated and come back with real ideas. LMAO!

  9. makati1 on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 3:21 am 

    Cloggie, the EU, a bunch of US ass kissers, have no future. Get a grip on reality and stop reading that techie fiction. You are going down the drain with the US, Japan and Australia. It is inevitable and happening. The West is history.

  10. Cloggie on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 3:53 am 

    “Cloggie, the EU, a bunch of US ass kissers, have no future.”

    Not entirely true. France and Germany refused to participate in the Iraq war. The US were furious (remember “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” and “freedom fries”?). The US stumbled in that self-created swamp, aiming at a second American century (not going to happen) and lost a lot of geopolitical prestige. Syria only added to that. And then came Boeing. And Donnie and the threat of CW2.

    “You are going down the drain with the US, Japan and Australia.”

    But not your beloved China right, the very reason I was tempted to think you are half-Asian as well. Something doesn’t add up with you even if you are 75 and that Japan-invading-Ps-1942 story of mine can’t be true.

    “The West is history.”

    It is! But continental Europe is rapidly shifting to the right and we have a Russian bride impatiently waiting to get married with Europe, afraid as it is for the growing Chinese might.

    This is article is reasonable sane:

    Europe is stuck between the US and China who are both fighting for global supremacy. The article doesn’t mention it, because it doesn’t want it to happen, but the situation is crying out loud for a EU-Russian merger, that in one blow would be #1. Macron is working in that direction and ALL European populists, including Salvini and le Pen want that too. And then there is white North-American populace that is with the back against the wall. We can pick them up from the rubble of the upcoming CW2.

  11. Dooma on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 5:19 am 

    Even a publication such as the WSJ shows how insular the US is.

    “or the bushfires that are currently encircling Sydney, Australia”

    WTF? Talk about playing down the real bushfire crisis in Australia!

    Try “The 2019–20 Australian bushfire season has burned an estimated 5.9 million hectares (15 million acres), destroyed over 2,500 buildings (including over 1,300 houses) and killed at least 22 people, with a further 28 missing in the state of Victoria.”

    Fires around Sydney, what a joke!

  12. REAL Green on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 6:05 am 

    We are in a trap with path dependencies of globalism that cannot be altered without throwing the whole system into a new state which will be one of much less economic activity. No human system can match globalism for output. You may say well we don’t need so much activity but then one wonders how all this huge green buildout will occur? This is not something that can be done without growth and that growth will be fossil fuel driven in some form. Once the unproven green transformation occurs then can it replicate all that buildout when system must be replaced? It is doubtful there will be the energy or the capital to do this. The physics is in doubt that renewables can replicate renewables. The complexity of it all is in question. To do a green transformation this resulting complex system will be the sum of multiple complicated systems. Will they be robust enough to avoid failure that could drive the whole system to collapse? This is a question that can’t be answered. The amount of destructive change to economics of the system is a question. Can globalism be greened up enough to transform the system green but then maintain the high level of economic activity to maintain and replicate? This does not take into account the multiple failures in other areas besides energy. What about food, water, pollutions, and ecological systems? What about war and economic failure in the mean time so we get started on this great transformation and a war or depression ends it?

    We then have the other side of the equation which is also plausible and that is degrowth. Instead of a continuation of globalism to build out this vast green new world order there is the other way of lowering economic activity but with some green build out. Instead of the car culture of consumerism that will be required to do a green new deal, we skip this into a poorer world of degrowth with less economic activity that frees up the pressures of growth. This approach is also flawed if you think this will not cause destructive change. This way will feature abandonment, dysfunction, and irrational results when the system undergoes decay. It can be attempted to limit this decay that is unpredictable and dangerous but much will be left to chance. Degrowth will destroy value chains that allow building value into products by economies of scale and comparative advantage. This can be tolerated to a point by making the system simpler but to a point because there is a point where complexity will not be maintainable. Where that point occurs is another question that can’t be answered. This world is in overshoot with the size of the population but also the consumption requirements of a part of that population. Overshoot cannot be mitigated by tech alone. Behavior must change also. This means shared sacrifice. That seems unlikely in this competitive world armed to the teeth with weapons of mass destruction. Shared sacrifice might work within nations but then there is the problem of being outcompeted and conquered but stronger forces.

    This then leaves us in the cusp of being trapped. REAL Green says we are carbon trapped in the Anthropocene that is a planet constructed for high growth high affluent human habitation. This is an arrangement of complexity with complicated systems that holds overshoot of consumption and population at bay. Drop the performance and you risk bifurcations that could become a series of cascading failures. Keep on growing to try to grow out of this trap represents our path dependencies trap. Here we are trapped by behavior to achieve greater affluence and abilities through increased knowledge. Path dependencies are likely what is the hardest to change. Try to tell the older richer people of the world to live poorer and maybe die sooner. This is what degrowth will mean. It is also what going 100% renewable will likely mean because it is doubtful that way can achieve what we have today. One should call into quest techno optimist because their narrative got us to where we are at. Blind techno advancement brought the car culture and the culture of consumption can’t be greened up. It must be greened down and that is the inconvenient consequence of limits to growth green or brown. This techno optimistic narrative allowed overpopulation in the poor areas also that are now just as dangerously situated as the rich overconsuming areas. Now techno optimist think that can be fixed with more of the same but this time green. That sounds too good to be true just like the earlier narratives we were sold on.

  13. REAL Green on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 6:06 am 

    REAL Green starts with the last of the stages of grief which is acceptance. It accepts failure and then goes forth locally to build up defenses to a collapse process. This collapse process has an unknow time frame so REAL Green maintains the connection to the status quo of techno growth with its high-power consumeristic car culture. REAL Green lives in both worlds through green prepping. REAL Green is optimistic pessimism because it is the journey not the destination that matters.

    REAL Green is about R worlds. Relative sacrifice is needed to fit into a status quo world and one that is retreating into localism and low carbon capture. Relinquishment is a triage meaning clearing out high intensity activity into low carbon capture and localism. This require downsizing. Respect is finding meaning that offers dignity to this process of becoming less. REAL Green is less affluence and less comfort at least in its advanced stages. Restoration is about restoring the local of place and people but also the micro ecosystem around one’s local to low carbon cycles connected to natural systems. Retreat in force is about yielding to higher powers but also feeding off them. REAL Green is going local with less intensity but it still draws on the status quo to build up its monastery. Reflection is about dealing with the conflicting psychological results of living in two worlds. It is a surreal journey because of the incongruous nature of growth and degrowth. Rebuilding is about a hybrid of the old ways being leveraged by best practices and materials of the modern. A robust life boat can be constructed by beefing up the old ways with the new ways. Finally, there is retirement. All efforts will be torn down by the collapse process including the REAL Green monastery.

    REAL Green is under no illusion of being a refuge at the destination of collapse. It is instead a vehicle for the journey but it is also an escape pod that represent a seed bank of wisdom that offers the best knowledge and things for those who survive the likely bottleneck ahead. So, a REAL Green adds on this way of life to the higher power all people have as a vehicle of truth to an uncertain time ahead sometime in the future when a reset of the Anthropocene takes place. This REAL green is for the awakened and educated. It requires resources and mental stamina. This eliminates many people no fault to them by BTW. REAL Green is humbled by it being chosen to lead on the planet’s behalf. The point of REAL Green is it will be the seed that sprouts once the destructive transformation has run its course. The scale is local so what may sound grandiose is really a micro climate of scale. It is the vessel that will be strong to resist the destruction that will be all around. Only a few seeds will survive in this process of succession. This is how nature works so embrace nature.

  14. Sissyfuss on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 7:13 am 

    “We have better and cleaner technologies such as fracking.” That little nugget of insanity alone should tell you that one should not get their climate science info from the Wall Street Urinal.

  15. Cloggie on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 7:30 am 

    “you’ve got mail!”

    Aeolus working on Borssele, the largest offshore wind farm to date (1.5 GW):

    Current moored location: port of Rotterdam to pick up the next batch of 4 monopiles, worth 4 x 9 = 36 MW wind power.

    Here to be precise:

    Last track:

  16. Davy on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 11:10 am 

    “REAL Green is humbled by it being chosen to lead on the planet’s behalf.”

    We need to see the docter REAL Green. REAL Bad like.

    That’s some REAL Deluded SHIT we got goin on there.

  17. DerHundistLos on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 11:57 am 

    The Wall Street Journal published a modified version of the commentary regarding the Indonesian photo……

    “A man walks on the seawall in Jakarta, Indonesia, built in 2017 in anticipation of rising sea levels. Pay no attention to the FAKE beach area covered with plastic contamination. Photo: Anton Raharjo/NurPhoto/Getty Images

  18. Davy on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 12:50 pm 

    Another economist whining about falling rate of population growth. He should be whining it is not falling fast enough.

    “Financialization Has Cemented Declines In Fertility Rates, Births, & Eventually Depopulation” economica

    “Nations with 56% of world GDP have declining annual births and childbearing populations, nations with 35% of GDP have declining births but still rising/flat childbearing populations, nations with less than 9% of world GDP have rising births and childbearing populations…Many will applaud the fast declining and decelerating population growth of the nations that do all the consuming, but we are fast approaching a demographic and economic waterfall among the consuming nations that will leave little to no export led growth potential for poor nations. And that, coupled with increasingly widely available access to birth control, means poor nations economic growth (plus birth rates and total births) are likely to follow the consumer nations down. The outcome is a global inverted pyramid with surging elderly populations (and the policies to support them) the cause of collapsing young populations.”

  19. Davy on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 1:45 pm 

    “Queen Elizabeth Beats Hollywood & The Stumblebum Sussexes” zero hedge

    “Once upon a time, a dolt from Tinseltown imagined she was a match for the queen of England.”

    “The End.”

  20. Cloggie on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 1:53 pm 

    To be the president of the US you preferably are not a match for queen Elizabeth. Meghan is perfectly qualified… to bring down the US.

  21. Cloggie on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 1:55 pm 

    “Another economist whining about falling rate of population growth. He should be whining it is not falling fast enough.”

    Racial bedwetter empire dave doing the only thing he is good at: cheering the demise of his own kind, the only kind that is falling.

  22. Chrome Mags on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 4:13 pm 

    Did you know if enough rightwing people hate Greta, the problem of GW will eliminate itself. Apparently thoughts, ideas and opinions have a force equal to the amount of CO2/methane and nitrous oxide added to the atmosphere since the beginning of the industrial revolution, so hatred in and of itself, if in huge enough doses can have the physical translation of eliminating those GW gasses from the atmosphere. Problem solved.

    I know it sounds wild (sarc).

  23. Cloggie on Sat, 25th Jan 2020 4:51 pm 

    “Did you know if enough rightwing people hate Greta, the problem of GW will eliminate itself.”

    I’m right-wing, yet I don’t hate Greta.

    Hail Greta!


  24. Sissyfuss on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 8:43 am 

    Mnuchin’s wife posts ” I stand with Greta,” then deletes it. Was it hacking or an irresistible attack of honesty. Hmmmmm

  25. Cloggie on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 8:56 am 

    Donnie Mussolini has the Reps under total control, even his former detractors like Princess Buttercup.

    In the thirties in Germany this was called “Gleichschaltung”.

  26. Cloggie on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 9:06 am 

    Now you’re talking… err… walking!

    “A car-free future? How UK cities are moving towards a pedestrian age”

    Hear, hear!

  27. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 9:39 am 

    Has Iceland Declared Religion As A Mental Disorder?

    Those Scandinavians always seem ahead of the curve–

  28. Davy on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 10:08 am 

    “Has Iceland Declared Religion As A Mental Disorder?”

    LOL, it is talk like that which points to a disorder. One of the most important points to wisdom is keep the spiritual and the scientific separate. Where one or the other steps on the other’s territory it is then when they become a disorder.

  29. Joel O'Bryan on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 10:15 am 

    Mr Nordhaus exposes his (willful?) lack of understanding is simply accepting the alarmists claims that the Australian wildfires have anything to do with Climate Change. Going back through Australia’s historical records, these fires are not unprecedented, and neither were California’s recent fires.

    Those Australian wildfires, like those in California, have everything to do with rationally expected periodic droughts that now collide with decades of human activity allowing excessive fuels to build-up near populated areas via active fire suppression and subsequent failure to conduct controlled burns during non-fire season.

  30. Davy on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 11:32 am 

    Oops, sorry Idaho. I see now that the ‘fake news’ link you provided was satire. I’m not REAL Good with satire and I don’t get the point of it? It’s REAL Confusing for me.

  31. Anonymouse on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 2:12 pm 

    If there is anyone here that knows anything at all, ok, a LOT, about mental disorders, it would be you dumbass. We dont call you delusional and or demented davy around here just for the lols you know.

    Now go get yourself some of that fine amerikan psychiatric care you are so desperately in need of. Even if you have to take out another loan to pay for it.

  32. Cloggie on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 2:19 pm 

    The above Anonymouse comment is obviously from the lunatic JuanP.

  33. REAL Green on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 2:54 pm 

    The above Cloggie comment is obviously from the lunatic Davy.

  34. JuanP on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 2:56 pm 

    Annon, you are a fag. Will you join me on muzzi fag day. I am the fag manager. Smoochies

  35. REAL Green on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 3:09 pm 

    The above JuanP comment is obviously from the lunatic Davy.

  36. full woke supremacist muzzies jerk on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 3:11 pm 

    supertards, be asleep no longer. the hour is approaching.

    pleae pledge your support.

    5 days to world muzzie bag day, feb 1st

    65 days to world grater nedertardland day

    put a shopping bag over your head when u drive or walk outside.

    put a maple leaf ove your private parts

    do this to show your support for supremacist muzzies

  37. Anonymouse on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 3:31 pm 

    i pledge support for world muzzie bag day 5 days away, feb 1st

    i pledge support for world grater nedertardland 78 days away

    I agree to put a bag on my head when out driving or walking outside

    i don’t put maple leaf over my private part because i could only find the one alternative available which is banana leaf

  38. Duncan Idaho on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 3:41 pm 

    i support world beervirus day today and short term

    it sounds like fun

    i support world muzzie bag day
    i support world grater nedertardland day

  39. JuanP on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 3:56 pm 

    Thank you annon. I am muzzie fag manager. Lover of
    Muzzie cock

  40. makati1 on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 3:57 pm 

    Juan, I am on my way to the USA. This virus has me very worried

  41. Cloggie on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 4:25 pm 

    All the BS gets posted except for my informed post about the Italians elections.

  42. Cloggie on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 4:25 pm 

    Part 1:

    Exit poll Emilia Romagna:

    “Regional, the first exit Poll: Bonaccini ahead (47-51), Bergonzoni between 44 and 48”

    The right slightly behind the left, the latter having held the region between 1945-2020.

  43. Cloggie on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 4:27 pm 

    Was my last post in a week or longer.

  44. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 5:06 pm 

    1 in 5 Germans think the Holocaust gets too much attention, surveys find

  45. JuanP on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 5:59 pm 

    “Juan, I am on my way to the USA. This virus has me very worried”

    You would be smarter to stay in the Philippines makati1. There’s no confirmed cases there yet, and the Philippines has a better medical system.

  46. fwsmj on Sun, 26th Jan 2020 6:05 pm 

    Y supertard madkat say china is king but pandemics start there

    what kind of king doesn’t have a functional public health system

    foregoin investmet in public health systems in order to pursue a shogun policy against the us is not good.

  47. REAL Green on Mon, 27th Jan 2020 4:59 am 

    “Burning Trees For Heating Won’t Help With Climate Change: UK Think Tank” oil price

    “Expanding forest cover is undoubtedly a good thing, if you’re leaving them standing… Calling wood burning a carbon neutral process is “highly dubious,” Brack added. These claims…rest on the assumption that the carbon footprint of chopping down trees and burning them is offset by planting new trees to replace them. This assumption excludes the fact that older trees absorb more carbon and that it takes time to replace a forest. “You can leave trees standing and they will continue to absorb carbon for decades,” Brack says. “But the biomass industry implicitly assumes that forests at some point stop reach a saturation point for carbon intake and can be harvested and simply replaced.” The benefit of planting trees to mitigate the effects of climate change has been put to the test on a wider scale as well. A study released last year found that reforestation could work, but it had to be done at a massive scale. We need to plant 25 percent more trees than there are on Earth right now, or more than half a trillion in total, the study found. This would reduce the amount of carbon in the atmosphere by a quarter, erasing 20 years of emissions. Yet it would not solve the climate problem on its own, without a sustained effort to cut emissions, commentators on the study said.”

  48. REAL Green on Mon, 27th Jan 2020 5:00 am 

    REAL Green agrees with this assumption that industrial wood burning is FAKE Green. Even the burning of wood at home has its issues. There is the equipment and labor needed that drive up cost. Wood heat burns fossil fuels too when equipment is considered. Wood burning can be made greener by sustainably harvesting a wood lot. This is done by harvesting dead and dying trees instead of clear cutting. More green can be achieved by using animals to remove the wood. REAL Green believes in using locally sourced carbon for energy so if one can then wood heat is essential to this. Of course, this is for a REAL Green Ranch in the cooler latitudes with forests. A well-insulated house is a must. This means less wood is needed in the first place. A house utilizing thermal mass strategies to lower energy needs is another. REAL Green is about local sustainability and resilience. It attempts to achieve this relatively and do it using less energy when possible. Local biomass is the key here. Ideally because of the low EROI nature of biomass the more local the better.

  49. Davy on Mon, 27th Jan 2020 5:06 am 

    “Biblical’ Locust Plague With Mega-Swarms The Size Of Cities Descends On East Africa” zero hedge

    “The invading locusts are “deadly” in the sense that these ‘mega-swarms’ devour crops at incredibly rapid pace — at a faster rate of destruction than other natural disasters. The numbers and immediate destructive force are staggering, according to quotes in the AP: About 70,000 hectares (172,973 acres) of land in Kenya are already infested. A single swarm can contain up to 150 million locusts per square kilometer of farmland, an area the size of almost 250 football fields, regional authorities say. One especially large swarm in northeastern Kenya measured 60 kilometers long by 40 kilometers wide (37 miles long by 25 miles wide). Farmers are afraid to let their cattle out for grazing, and their crops of millet, sorghum and maize are vulnerable, but there is little they can do. “Even cows are wondering what is happening,” one local farmer laments in the AP report. “Corn, sorghum, cowpeas, they have eaten everything.” This as the mega-swarms consume the very fodder the livestock survive on. There’s additional concern that new rains after March could bring another explosion of the fast breeding locusts prior to the dry season taking their numbers back down.”

  50. Davy on Mon, 27th Jan 2020 6:08 am 

    REAL GREEN agrees with assumption that referring to ones own fake sock in the 3rd person, is kinda nutty. Of course, this for a well known delusional nutbar in the dumber latitudes. Being insulated from reality is a must. This means less sanity is needed in the first place. A nutter utilizing multiple socks mass spamming means less energy needed
    for davy posting. The socks can do most of my dirty laundry. REAL DUMBASS is about socking, stalking and pricking, and generally being an insufferable a-hole is the another. Ideally, local dumbass is the key here. Ideally, because of my low IQ, the more bioturds I shit out online, the better.

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