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Hedge Fund Manager Sees Dollar Losing Reserve Currency Status

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With the end of 2018 marking the 40th anniversary of China opening up & reforming (and with an increasingly loud group of market participants questioning the foundations of China’s economic miracle – and more importantly, it’s future), Bridgewater founder Ray Dalio believes now is a good time to reflect on China’s last 40 years.

“Since I have been fortunate to have experienced 34 years of this 40 years in an up close and intimate way, and since I study what makes countries succeed and fail, I have some experiences and thoughts to share…”

The table below shows just a few representative statistics.

These results speak for themselves, but Dalio adds:

“To have such rates of improvements in so many areas and for so many people has made it the greatest economic miracle ever.”

And from what Dalio has seen, he believes that the very impressive results that the Chinese leadership and the Chinese people produced came about primarily because of the powerful combination of

a) China’s opening up and reforming following an extended period of isolation that led to a fast catching up (especially in the coastal regions of China) with the advanced developed world, and

b) the power of the Chinese culture and it’ related ways of operating.

Crucially, the billionaire hedge fund manager points out that, if you haven’t spent time in China, you need to get any stereotypes you might have out of your mind because it’s not how it was. This is not your father’s communism. It is “socialism with Chinese characteristics” that has been significantly and very effectively reformed, which has made it much more vital, creative, and economically free.

Dalio’s ‘romantic’ view of a paternal China is definitely not the mainstream narrative:

“From my experiences and from what I am told by Chinese who should know, I believe Chinese leadership seeks to run the country the way they believe a good family should be run, from the top down, maintaining high standards of behavior, putting the collective interest ahead of any individual interest, with each member knowing their place and having filial respect for those in the hierarchy so the system works in an orderly way. One of China’s leaders who explained this concept to me told that the word “country” consists of two characters, state and family, which influences how they view their role in looking after their state/family.

One might say that the Chinese government is paternal. For example, it regulates what types of video games are watched by children and how many hours a day they play them. As a broad generalization, when the interest of the country (like the family) is at odds with the interest of the individual, the interest of the country (like the interest of the family) should be favored over the interest of the individual. Individuals are parts of a greater machine. As a result of this perspective, the system seeks to develop, promote and reward good character and good citizenship. For example it gives people a social credit score that rates the quality of their citizenship. And each person is expected to view themselves as parts of the greater whole.

This management from the top down includes visualizing what China 5, 10 and 20 years in the future should be like and then making and managing detailed multiyear plans to build out that vision, with the goal being to make China as great as it can be. China is run more like a giant company with many subsidiaries, some within the government’s direct control and some within its indirect control.

But, as the fund manager notes, while Chinese culture has been evolving, it has at its most fundamental level been operating in similar ways for many hundreds or even thousands of years and the results of operating that way are knowable in an approximate way.

“I have recently been researching the rise and fall of reserve currencies, which led me to study the rises and declines of the world’s most powerful countries. That led my research team and me to put together the following indices of the relative powers of leading countries since 1500. These indices are a combination of six sub-indices that measure six different types of power:

1) innovation & competitiveness,

2) domestic output,

3) share of world trade,

4) financial-center size and power,

5) military strength, and

6) reserve-currency status.

…and they show when different countries reached their peaks relative to the rest of the world.”

As shown in the chart below, China was either the number one or number two most powerful country from 1500 to around 1800 when it went into relative decline…

That decline continued until around 40 years ago, when, as Dalio explains rather ominously for the American hegemon:

“…the opening up and reforming led to the previously described strong ascent to being the second-most powerful country in the world and on the path to being the most powerful one. I believe that excellent performance was largely the result of China’s powerful culture and its reforms.”

Given that impressive track record and how deeply imbued the culture behind it is, we shouldn’t expect China’s most fundamental ways of operating to change much. As a result, Dalio warns:

while trade deals can be made, attempts to change “Chinese characteristics”,most importantly to change the top-down government management of most/all aspects of the system pursuit of making China as great as it can bewon’t work.

So, in summary, “it’s not the economy, it’s the culture stupid!”

And judging by Dalio’s take on American culture, it is clear where he thinks this is going…

“Most fundamentally, the US is a country in which individuals, individualism, and individual property rights are perceived to be of paramount importance it is directed from the bottom up (e.g., through “one man, one vote” democracies that empower people to choose their leaders), being revolutionary is considered a good thing, and conflict is valued more than harmony.

Rather than respecting top down control most American have a strong preference to keep government from interfering with their most individual choices. Character development is a personal or family issue, not a government issue (which leaves it largely neglected in areas with broken families, especially if they’re poor).

Rather than there being a long-term top down vision for the country and a plan to achieve that vision, in the capitalist and democratic system such directions are more bottom up determined based on commercial and popularity considerations.

Of course, the world’s largest hedge fund manager avoids directly slamming America’s ‘dream’ or supporting China’s central planners:

I’m not saying which system is better. Each culture/system has its pros and cons that I’m not going to get into now.

I believe that the important thing to know are that while there will be trade wars and trade truces they aren’t the most important things.

However, Dalio signals the following seven things as the most important to follow:

1) China has a culture and system that has worked well for it for a long time so it shouldn’t be expected to change much,

2) the U.S. has the same,

3) these systems (and those of other countries) will be both competing and cooperating, and how well they do that will be an important influence on global conditions,

4) how well each system works in practice will have a far greater influence on where each country stands in the future than the terms of the deals that they strike with each other, so each would do well to examine its own weaknesses and come up with reforms to rectify them, and

5) there is a lot to respect about the Chinese culture and approach that led to its remarkable accomplishments,

6) we would do well to learn from each other, cooperate and compete to bring each other up rather than to tear each other down, and

7) China is a place we need to continue to evolve with and invest in.

And while Dalio took 2,500 words to summarize why America’s ‘end of empire’ is looming, we managed it in just three words… in 2014:

Nothing lasts forever!

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83 Comments on "Hedge Fund Manager Sees Dollar Losing Reserve Currency Status"

  1. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 3:14 am 

    Makati, you ignore my arguments.
    Slowdown is not collapse.
    Name me one larger bank that is “bankrupt”, that is stopped functioning.
    Yellow vests is protests, not “collapse”.

  2. Davy on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 3:18 am 

    “And on and on… Oh yes! The place I want to live! NOT for a million Euros!!!!”

    LOL, like who would want to live in overpopulated polluted Asia? I may disagree with neder on his rabid Euro racist empire chevanism but there are not many places in the world that offer a better place to live (in general). I know, billy, I lived there as opposed to you not living there.

  3. Davy on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 3:25 am 

    “Name me one larger bank that is “bankrupt”, that is stopped functioning”

    neder these days systemically important banks are taken over before bankruptcy:

    “E.C.B. Takes Reins of Italian Bank to Prevent Wider Crisis”
    https://tinyurl.com/ycmxhjp2

    “Banca Carige is now under the European Central Bank’s control. It is the first time the E.C.B. has appointed new management for a commercial bank since it acquired expanded powers in 2014.”

  4. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 3:50 am 

    Greece, that was a collapse. Russia 1999, Argentina 15 years ago and Venezuela now.

    The US, EU, Japan, Russia, China and Japan are NOT “collapsing”. Perhaps in the future but not now.

    Perhaps there will be a default on debt. So what? Tough luck, belt tightning, postponing retirement, lower wages. Life will soldier on.

  5. Davy on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 4:14 am 

    “Perhaps there will be a default on debt. So what? Tough luck, belt tightning, postponing retirement, lower wages. Life will soldier on.”

    neder, that is what you did in a 20th century recession or depression. That will likely not work in the 21st century. We are talking now a house of cards that is a vast Ponzi civilization coming apart. We may go years before the cascade begins but when it does “katy bar the door”.

  6. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 4:26 am 

    That “Kathy bar the door” may apply to those who live near St. Louis-East. Like you.

    The real game changer is changing demographics, not stupid peak oil. Peak oil, if any, can be solved with renewable energy. The US turning from Sweden into Nigeria is the real coming collapse, a collapse you hope to prevent with shouting “racist” and “natzi” real hard, while stamping with your feet on the floor, and feeling good about yourself, the puritan virtue signaler that you are.

    Good luck with that.

    [insert picture of vile European natzi here, laughing all the way to the geopolitical bank]

  7. Davy on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 4:42 am 

    “Orbánomics (Or The Return Of National Economics)”
    https://tinyurl.com/y9hto33c

    “Leonid Bershidsky has a refreshingly balanced overview in Bloomberg of the economic situation in Hungary under Prime Minister Viktor Orbán – the closest thing we have to an identitarian European leader. Bershidsky says: When Orban took over in 2010, Hungary was near collapse. The country was soldiering through a Greek-style debt program administered by the International Monetary Fund and the European Union. He moved decisively to clean up the country’s finances, slash the budget deficit from 5.3 percent in 2011 to 2.4 percent in 2012 (it was down to 1.9 percent last year) and pay off the debts to the EU and the IMF, cutting the share of foreign currency-denominated debt. To be able to do that, Orban nationalized Hungary’s private pension funds and raided their cash stash. He introduced a flat 15 percent income tax (which greatly improved collection) and raised value-added tax to 27 percent, the highest rate in the EU. He imposed special taxes on sectors dominated by foreign-owned companies — energy, utilities, finance, telecoms, retail and media — taxing revenue and assets, not profits, to make optimization unfeasible. And he renationalized some key firms to sell them on to Hungarian investors, often to his friends and allies. According to the latest economic forecast of the European Commission – no friend of the Orbán government – Hungary’s annual economic growth should moderate (as in the rest of Europe) from 4.3% this year to 2.6% in 2020, inflation will remain low, and already remarkably low unemployment of 3.6% will continue to fall to 3.2%. Hungary’s public debt, which peaked at 80.7% in 2011, is projected to fall to 68.6% by 2020. The country maintains healthy budget and current account surpluses.”

    “As in everything else, in “patriotic economics” there needs to be an Aristotelian happy mean. Having completely open economic borders means being vulnerable to every economic dysfunction and predatory practice in the rest of the world. Being completely closed means poverty and stagnation relative to the outside world. With the triumph of the “Washington Consensus” (not to mention what ought to be called the “Brussels Consensus”) in the 1990s, the pendulum clearly swang too heavily in favor of open borders, particularly concerning the free movement of capital. The unlimited free movement of capital means that your economy is now distorted by whatever goes through the minds of the capital-holding investors, who are by no means “rationally omniscient,” but are as prone to fashions, prejudice, and panics as the rest of us. Hence, your economy is liable to get overheated due to excess investment (which, for the investing country, also means your banking sector could now collapse because of economic problems in another country) and international capital runs. If your consumers take loans in a foreign currency, they also risk ruining themselves if the national currency’s value declines significantly, for whatever reason.”

    “The rejection of borders and national economics was widespread across Western academic, media, and political circles (e.g. Bill Cliton’s notorious September 2001 comments on “the ultimate wisdom of a borderless world”). However, it was in the European Union that these doctrines were theorized and actualized most explicitly. Innumerable second-rate academics extolled the virtues of the EU as a “post-national,” “post-political,” and even in effect post-statal entity (whatever that could mean), with a steady flow of verbose and inscrutable PoMo discourse. The Jewish-Polish academic Zygmunt Bauman dazzled students with talk of the inevitable rise of “liquid modernity.” What all of this amounted to was an apology for and rationalization of the political impotence of contemporary Europeans in the face of the economic and political forces of globalism. The most prominent discourser in this vein was none other than one of the last living members of the Frankfurt School: Jürgen Habermas.”

    “Anyway, all this is beginning to fade into the background. The state is still here. The nation is still here. The idea of republic is still here. Orbán represents a return to the reality principle, towards a world based on the realities of states and nations, rather than the fashions of the Davos set.”

  8. Davy on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 4:49 am 

    The social and political glue is failing:

    “Salvini Backs Yellow Vests Against Macron; Claims French President “Against His People”
    https://tinyurl.com/y98vzjpj

    “I support honest citizens protesting against a president who governs against his people,” Salvini said in a statement – while at the same time “firmly” condemning protesters who have resorted to violence. Meanwhile, Luigi Di Maio, the 32-year-old Deputy Prime MInister of Italy who leads the Five-Star Movement (M5S), has told the Yellow Vests in a Monday blog post “do not give up!” De Maio offered French protesters use of the M5S “Rousseau platform” to help the Yellow Vests improve organization and “draw up an electoral programme,” according to France24. “This system (Rousseau) is made for a horizontal and spontaneous movement such as yours and we would be happy if you want to use it.”

    “Meanwhile, The Globe and Mail reports that Macron’s tough stance on the Yellow Vest movement has backfired, as French authorities struggle to maintain order. What began as a grassroots rebellion against diesel taxes and the high cost of living has morphed into something more perilous for Macron – an assault on his presidency and French institutions. The anti-government protesters on Saturday used a forklift truck to force their way into a government ministry compound, torched cars near the Champs Elysees and in one violent skirmish on a bridge over the Seine punched and kicked riot police officers to the ground. -The Globe and Mail Macron tweeted over the weekend “Once again, the Republic was attacked with extreme violence – its guardians, its representatives, its symbols.”

  9. Davy on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 5:45 am 

    “Germany’s Industry Shock Raises Specter of Economic Recession”
    https://tinyurl.com/ycpr6mw5

    “A dramatic plunge in German industrial activity late last year raised the risk that Europe’s largest economy will slip into recession. Production fell for a third month in November and posted its worst year-on-year drop since the end of the financial crisis, with weakness in everything from consumer goods to energy. A slump in Germany has repercussions for the euro area, where separate numbers on Tuesday showed economic confidence has fallen to the lowest in almost two years.”

  10. Davy on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 5:52 am 

    “Daimler & BMW Collaborating On Large Joint Urban Mobility Company”
    https://tinyurl.com/ybmto2x9

    “Daimler AG and the BMW Group are collaborating on a joint urban mobility company to create a sustainable, multi-modal, readily accessible urban transportation system. Ride hailing, carsharing, charging and parking in urban centers, all accessible through a single digital experience, will be key components of the new venture.”

    “Our vision is to create a major global player for seamless and intelligent connected mobility services together. As a hub for creativity and innovation, Berlin is exactly the right location for our plans,” said Dieter Zetsche, Chairman of the Board of Management of Daimler AG and head of Mercedes-Benz Cars.”

  11. Antius on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 7:49 am 

    “Totally at odds with what I see happening in Europe:
    – EU public debt declining
    – German unemployment at 30 year low
    – Tourism is becoming highly problematic everywhere in Europe: too much
    – Verify airline traffic: growth whereever you watch”

    Tim Morgan’s work sums up the state we’re in, better than anything else I have seen.

    https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2018/12/30/143-fire-and-ice-part-one/

    On paper, GDP has never been higher. But since 2001, the average European has lost between 14-38% of their after tax discretionary spending power. Wages have increased, but so have taxes and the cost of anything you need to buy has increased more rapidly than wages over the past 15-20 years. This has happened almost everywhere; India and China being notable exceptions, although real growth there is nowhere near what GDP growth figures would suggest.

    What is the cause of this decline in real income? Rapidly rising ‘energy cost of energy’ (ECOE) since 2001.

    It is actually a very easy problem to understand when you appreciate that the economy is a thermodynamic machine, which uses energy to carry out work on matter in the production of goods and services. As energy gets more scarce and expensive, i.e. ECOE rises; disposable wealth tends to get squeezed.

    This process is gradually squeezing the wealth out of economies around the world. We will reach collapse, when there is no longer sufficient wealth to service the system we have created. It won’t happen tomorrow; it may take years or even a few more decades. It is called the ‘Long Emergency’ for a reason. It started in 1973 and it may run for a good deal longer before the systematic costs become unworkable. The huge increases in systematic debt across the world since 2008, which for the most part have been incurred by people and governments just trying to maintain the status quo; does suggest that we may be getting close to collapse.

    Other factors weigh on the system as well, which may accelerate or in some cases delay the collapse. On the downside, ageing workforces, growing immigrant populations and corruption. On the plus side, new technologies and energy sources. And remember, collapse may not affect all regions in same way or to the same extent.

  12. More Davy Sock Puppetry on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 8:26 am 

    Don’t start the shit stupid on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 3:14 am

  13. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 8:46 am 

    Clogg

    He is cherry picking stats and they are laughable..

    Lets look at Europe’s GDP

    1973 5.4 %

    1989 3.3%

    2001 2%

    2016 1.6%

    2028 0% = Economic Collapse

    Source: World Bank
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locati&locations=EU

    Europe is in a depression and headed for total collapse this time around..I hope to blown to bits in another world war first..

  14. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 8:51 am 

    Impeach the mother fucker already!

  15. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 8:51 am 

    RYSTAD: Has U.S. Fracking Activity Peaked Already?

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Has-US-Fracking-Activity-Peaked-Already.html

  16. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 9:09 am 

    Right-wing German MP seriously injured after beating by gang

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2181218/right-wing-german-mp-seriously-injured-after-beating-gang

    HAHA! Just like Richard Spencer did!

    LMFAO

  17. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 10:00 am 

    “Leonid Bershidsky has a refreshingly balanced overview in Bloomberg of the economic situation in Hungary under Prime Minister Viktor Orbán – the closest thing we have to an identitarian European leader. Bershidsky says: When Orban took over in 2010, Hungary was near collapse. The country was soldiering through a Greek-style debt program administered by the International Monetary Fund and the European Union. He moved decisively to clean up the country’s finances…

    I can’t believe this is happening. Somebody with a red flag name Leonid Bershitsky, writing for NWO-magazine Bloomboig, singing the praise of Viktor Orban!!!

    What’s next? The entire editorial staff of Bloomboig, goose-stepping during lunchbreak, as a company sponsored weight-watching event?

    Voluntarily lining up at the railway station for auto-deportation?

    The NWO is imploding into its own footprint, faster than WTC7.

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/01/07/the-good-news-zog-is-dying/

  18. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 10:31 am 

    Right-wing German MP seriously injured after beating by gang

    HAHA! Just like Richard Spencer did!

    LMFAO

    The left, those are the real murderers.

    People killed internally between 1933-1939:

    Fascist Italy – 10
    Third Reich – 600
    Britain – 600
    USSR – millions

    China after the revolution: tens of millions.

    But the Marxist era is drawing to a close. Fake rear-guard suicidal “warriors” like our mobster are soon going to find out the hard way that this is not their age. Soon it will be open season on him. He knows instinctively what is coming as he is constantly announcing that he will “off” himself.

  19. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 10:38 am 

    Losing influence:

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/tuerkei-trumps-berater-bolton-blitzt-bei-erdogan-ab-a-1247001.html

    Bolton traveled to Turkey in an effort to stop Erdogan from attacking the Kurds. Bolton failed, he wasn’t even received by Erdogan.

    Earlier Pompeo had questioned the announced withdrawal of US troops from Syria by saying that perhaps that Americans would stay in Syria to prevent the Turks from slaughtering the Kurds. The Turks were furious. Of course they want to slaughter the Kurds, but that doesn’t give the Americans the right to openly suggest that.

    Erdogan has confirmed he will invade Syria.

  20. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 10:41 am 

    Clogg

    Great sources to back up your bogus claims..Everyone knows the millions the nazi’s murdered..

    And see you keep coming back for more from bogus german news site which admitted to writing fake stories for years..You low IQ right wingers are easiest people to fool..

  21. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 10:41 am 

    California Governor Newsom Vows ‘Sanctuary To All Who Seek It’ In Inauguration Speech

    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/01/07/gavin-newsom-california-governor-2/amp/

  22. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 11:21 am 

    Far-right AfD politician Frank Magnitz was beaten unconscious in the city of Bremen last night.

    The far right are a bunch of cowards who can only pick on the weak immigrants..They will get what they deserve shortly..

  23. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 11:27 am 

    Everyone knows the millions the nazi’s murdered..

    If we are to believe the Alllies, yes.
    But showtrials don’t count. And soon you won’t be in a position to enforce your lies anymore.

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/an-embarrassing-discovery/

    Come on Chinaman, go for it! The South China Sea is yours!

  24. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 11:35 am 

    Frank Magnitz:

    http://www.pi-news.net/2019/01/brutaler-mordanschlag-auf-bremer-afd-bundestagsabgeordneten/

    This is exactly like in the thirties, when communists and nationalists were fighting in the streets. Won’t be long until in Germany the Yellow Vests will emerge (SA-2.0). In Europe the right always wins. In Russia the right has overcome the left.

    That leaves the poor US, the last holdout of the left. But it owners no longer believe in their victory:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2019/01/07/the-good-news-zog-is-dying/

    Bloomberg singing the praise of Orban, what a howler!

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-04-13/orban-s-economic-model-in-hungary-is-trump-s-dream

  25. Cloggie on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 11:59 am 

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6569223/Rabble-rouser-branded-Tory-MP-Anna-Soubry-Nazi.html

    Revealed: Far-Right rabble-rouser who branded MP Anna Soubry a ‘Nazi’ is a Trump and Tommy Robinson fan whose followers are ‘plotting to copy French ‘yellow vest’ protests in cities across Britain this weekend’

    It is ever clearer that the Yellow Vests are white, right-wing deplorable.

    Canada has them too:

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4820368/yellow-vests-pro-immigration-protestors-lethbridge/

  26. Antius on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 12:43 pm 

    “Revealed: Far-Right rabble-rouser who branded MP Anna Soubry a ‘Nazi’ is a Trump and Tommy Robinson fan whose followers are ‘plotting to copy French ‘yellow vest’ protests in cities across Britain this weekend’”

    I bet a pound to a pinch of shit that the British government already has these people under surveillance and at the first sign of trouble, will arrest and bang them up under ‘terrorism offences’

    There are no yellow vest protests in China or North Korea. There are none in Britain either, for all the same reasons.

  27. FullShortageIsComingYouAreDeadLoser on Tue, 8th Jan 2019 1:43 pm 

    France is a small country compare to Canada. It is not possible to go for Alberta to Ottawa to protest for one.

    I cannot find the news, but I know there was a small yellow postest in Alberta where they went directly to the deputy in Alberta and talk to him directly. You can see the deputy circle by 50 yellow.

    We the people should bring the fight to where they lived, follow them and protest in front of their home. The people should practiced old mob justice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_EuMDXtjw

    They have done that in France. Watch the link above. It is in French but they have good picture. Overload the judicial and prison system.,

  28. Apneaman on Wed, 9th Jan 2019 4:50 am 

    Hey clog, are you still the only Cunt in Holland without a vagina?

    A German photographer, Reinhard Wiener, filmed the mass murder of Jews from Liepaja, Latvia, at a lighthouse south of Liepaja, in July 1941

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mroRsZ5ygUY

    I can foresee it happening again, but this time around it’ll be your tribe herded into the trench with migrant Muzzies from breeder nations doing the shooting.

    “The water level in the Rhine near the border with Germany was higher than expected on Tuesday as rain and melting snow from the Alps continued to swell the volume of water in Dutch rivers.”

    https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/01/water-levels-continue-to-rise-in-dutch-rivers-due-to-rain-and-melting-snow/

    melting snow from the Alps in the first week of January – I wonder what could cause that?

    I popped into peakoil.com a week ago or so and noticed you were accusing someone of being me. Oh please, give your fucking head a shake you old senile paranoid. I have not commented here in a year, nor would I hide behind sock puppetry which is the height of stupidity when it’s anonymous to begin with.

    Well at least you flattered them, albeit unintentionally.

    Have you been doing that for the entire year?

    Poor clog, just couldn’t live with though that I would abandon him (daddy issues), so he made up an elaborate sock puppetry alternate reality. IOW BAU.

    See y’all next year. Stay Frosty.

  29. Anonymouse on Wed, 9th Jan 2019 7:03 am 

    Hey! I am not a sock puppet. But A-NONY-mous sure is. Nothing new there either.

    Cloggturd plays a double-game, also nothing new. He likes to claim I AM THE DAVYTURD, is you. What is he really doing, is running interference for Davy dumbass, who, of course, is I AM THE DUMBASS, I mean ‘I AM THE MOB.’ Dumbasses, like jews, stick together and Davyturd and cloggedsphincter are no excetions.

    Need a spreadsheet to keep track of those twos socks these day. Well, mostly davyturds to be fair. CLoGgenkike is far too committed to his one fake persona to bother trying to create another. He limits his own direct crack-pottery to occasionally posting as Davyturd. Claiming IATM is you, is just his way of helping davytard out.

  30. DerHundistLos on Wed, 9th Jan 2019 7:45 am 

    APNEAMAN:

    HOPE THIS MEANS YOU ARE NOW BACK!!!!

    YOU WERE GONE TOO LONG.

  31. Davy on Wed, 9th Jan 2019 8:20 am 

    Anonymouse you are pathetic. Are you that bored and lonely? Contribute knowledge or leave

  32. Anonymouse on Wed, 9th Jan 2019 4:40 pm 

    ROFL! @ Dumbass. Here is a summary of your ‘contribution’s

    -Multi-Year Delusional ranting and raving. Endless attacks and insults directed at everyone that calls out your exceptionalturd bulllshit, except for I AM THE DAVYTURD and cloggtard of course. They get a permanent pass, lol. You believe your mental disabilities and afflictions are something that needs to be shared. (not really).

    -Serial Sock Puppetry

    -Rambling Cut and Paste turd salads, that no one reads or cares about.

    -Spamming Zerohedge garbage, with his patented, and obligatory, tiny URLs to hide the source of davyturds fact-free links. Hows that working out for you dumbass?

    -Encouraging the boards other retards, endless OT WW2/Hitler spam.

    Yeah, everyone should ‘contribute’ at your level. Its time for you to leave Davytard. Go start a blog with your kike buddy, and you can post all the neder nonsense you two want, 24/7. Nobody wants you here, and you’ve long overstayed your welcome.

  33. Davy on Wed, 9th Jan 2019 4:57 pm 

    anon, who cares, say something intelligent that contributes to shared knowledge. Your above comment is nothing but noise. You are emotionally handicapped IOW a waste of our time.

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