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Greens: Save the planet, screw the people

Public Policy

When an environmentalist says he or she wants to “save the planet” be sure to ask: “For whom?” Because often it seems like they’re not doing it for people at all.

The anti-people nature of environmentalism is sometimes just a matter of minor inconvenience, as when environmentalist policies force upon us flickering light bulbs, weak showers and toilets, and front-loading washing machines.

Sometimes the imposition is greater, resulting in higher energy costs, the destruction of industries, and the degradation of human health.

For instance, the Economist recently lamented, “More poor people are eating meat around the world. That means they will live longer, healthier lives, but it is bad news for the environment.”

Greater meat consumption in the developing world is a result of wealth, and, the Economist admits, a cause of health. Yet, if more Africans eat meat, this “will raise Africans’ collective contribution to global climate change.” So “the environment” now matters for reasons outside of human health?

Bernie Sanders, the socialist senator running for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination, took anti-human environmentalism a step further on Wednesday night. A schoolteacher rose at CNN’s climate town hall and brought up population control. Would Sanders have the “courage,” the teacher asked, to “make it a key feature of a plan to address climate catastrophe.”

Sanders said yes, and then he went straight to abortion — “especially in poor countries around the world.” He cursed America’s Mexico City policy, which prohibits international family planning funds from funding abortions. Again, all in the name of saving the planet.

Here, Sanders is dancing dangerously close to federally funded eugenics. To say that overpopulation is a problem, and then to immediately call for more funding of abortion in, say, Africa, is a rather startling position to take — maybe even “courageous,” in the sense that it is risky to appear so callous an cruel.

Sanders may have meant something else. He seemed to believe the Mexico City policy curtailed access to contraceptives. (It does not.) He spoke the language of autonomy. So maybe Sanders sees himself as just wanting to empower poor women to control their fertility. Even so, Western enthusiasm for reducing the number of African babies has always had racist and colonialist undertones.

Even if we give Sanders this benefit of the doubt, the shadow of green misanthropy hangs over the exchange. Go back to the schoolteacher whose premises Sanders so enthusiastically embraced.

“Human population growth has more than doubled in the past 50 years,” the teacher, Martha, began. That’s imprecise enough to be misleading. The rate of growth is actually declining, while the population has continued to grow, only more slowly. “The planet cannot sustain this growth,” she continued.

This is the same hogwash we’ve been fed for over a century. “The battle to feed all of humanity is over,” Paul Ehrlich wrote just one generation ago. “In the 1970’s and 1980’s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now.”

Ehrlich was dead wrong. Just as Martha and Bernie, Ehrlich saw humans as only hungry mouths and stomachs, not as useful, innovative hands and brains.

Human life is better today than it was 100 years ago, by far, and it had improved from 1000 years before that, and so on. What has improved mankind’s state? It wasn’t climate change. It wasn’t aliens. It was human ingenuity.

In other words, humans are a net positive. At least, that is so, if what you care about is human health and happiness. Too many environmentalists think people are a net drain. Or at least they think some people are.

washington examiner



44 Comments on "Greens: Save the planet, screw the people"

  1. Herd of Thinning on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 3:49 pm 

    For certain many of the people at the Washington Examiner are worthless planet eaters..

  2. Ghung on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 5:20 pm 

    Hogwash. Humans collectively are pretty much screwed either way. May as well leave those who are lucky enough to survive the next great bottleneck something they can call home, eh?

  3. makati1 on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 5:35 pm 

    Ghung, nice to see your comments again. I agree. Humans (and a lot of the ecology) is screwed. It is only a matter of time until we approach the extinction event.

    IF, and that is a huge IF, any survive, it will be in a world very unfriendly to them. They will live short, brutal lives, not unlike their stone age cousins. We will leave nothing behind that has not been polluted.

    Rats and roaches will be the dominant species. How soon? A few generations, maybe less. We shall see.

  4. kervennic on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 5:38 pm 

    Nobody in Europe would care about the fertility rate of Africa, if they would not migrate and compete for housing.

  5. Anonymouse on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 5:41 pm 

    I think the people at washingdum examiner are a net drain. Like, all of them. How do I know this? I read the article above. It was a net drain in terms of providing any kind of useful or remotely honest insight.

  6. makati1 on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 6:11 pm 

    Anon, most articles are written for a paycheck and pander to the masses, which, you have to admit are not too intelligent. Americans are sooo dumbed down that reading is a chore and trying to understand anything more difficult than 2+2=4 is painful.

  7. Ghung on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 6:52 pm 

    Their tagline is “Leading Influencers” (A.K.A. Leading Manipulators). The scary part is that people (especially a lot of Americans) are fucked-up enough to let these Imps push their buttons. (I read that if fucked up is hyphenated it’s considered acceptable).

  8. energy investor on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 8:06 pm 

    Watch the weather.

    There are signs that the approaching Grand Solar Minimum will cause the same kind of disturbance as occurred with the Arab Spring during 2020.

    IMHO the globalist conspiracy to deliver global governance to the UN is wrong. My reason is that individual states can more effectively regulate their affairs and their futures…even if they are not doing so particularly well now.

    If the African nations want more people, that is fine as they then need to live with the consequences. The same for China, the USA and Australia. That way people can be in charge of their own destiny and maintain the version of democracy which suits them best.

    The EU has shown us that the autocracy of the bureaucrats eliminates democracy and introduces bureaucratic totalitarianism. At the rate they are going they will descend into a socialist totalitarianism with all personal freedoms lost.

  9. Green People's Media on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 8:40 pm 

    We are shocked — shocked, I tell ya!

    to see the Washington Examiner publishing yet another super-right-wing piece.

  10. Cloggie on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 11:29 pm 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Examiner

    “The Washington Examiner is an American political journalism website and weekly magazine based in Washington, D.C. It is owned by MediaDC, a subsidiary of Clarity Media Group, which is owned by Philip Anschutz….

    The Examiner is known for its conservative political stance and features many known conservative writers…

    The Examiner endorsed John McCain in the 2008 presidential election…

    Anti-immigration stories…”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz

    “Philip Frederick Anschutz born December 28, 1939) is an American billionaire businessman who owns or controls many companies in a variety of businesses, including energy, railroads, real estate, sports, newspapers, movies, theaters, arenas and music. He is a philanthropist whose name appears on medical and educational institutions to which he has donated millions. Anschutz has been described as a Christian conservative…

    In 1961, he bought out his father’s oil drilling company, Circle A Drilling, and earned large returns in Wyoming. He invested in stocks, real estate and railroads. He expanded his investments to sports and entertainment companies“

  11. Cloggie on Fri, 6th Sep 2019 11:44 pm 

    “The anti-people nature of environmentalism is sometimes just a matter of minor inconvenience, as when environmentalist policies force upon us flickering light bulbs, weak showers and toilets, and front-loading washing machines.”

    WashEx: economic totalitarianism. Any form of environmental restraint is “anti-people”. A bunch of stock chart gazers. On top of that the typical Christian attitude of “the more souls, the better”, read: “the more consumers, the better”, whom mr Anschutz is going to provide with products, so he can rake in even more billions. The idea of “footprint” doesn’t exist.

  12. dave thompson on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 12:03 am 

    Don’t worry, folks like this writing the article are just as affected as everyone. We humans are making sure that the biosphere food chain is destroyed. It is happening a whole lot faster than most people care to think about or even take a look at the evidence. In the not to distant future there are going to be a shit load of hungry angry people looking to blame someone. I am old enough to have lived most of my life. So in the next 10-20 years if humanity can keep BAU I will be fine and most likely dead when the wheels fall off the cart for humanity.

  13. makati1 on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 12:39 am 

    Dave, I am also now 75 and, barring a nuclear war, will likely live to see the end of all that seemed ‘normal’ in my years.

    Dorian was, most likely, the first category 6 hurricane, but I am sure it will not be the last. I see even cat 7 eventually. I have a fiction novel that describes such a storm in the future. Maybe not fiction for very long.

    Watching the Jet Stream wandering on …

    https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/250hPa/orthographic=-95.72,45.04,409/loc=-83.980,50.432

    …tells me more about the future than all the climate change articles I have seen.

  14. makati1 on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 12:44 am 

    Ghung, ‘fucked up’ is acceptable in any form as long as you do not use he or she in the sentence. ‘He’ and ‘She’ are not socially acceptable on some circles. Use ‘persons’ instead.

    While I do understand that some humans have crossed wiring, and deserve recognition of that fact, it is going to extremes these days in the US. but then, insanity rules there,

  15. supremacist muzzie monkey on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 3:34 am 

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  16. juan paultard madness on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 5:42 am 

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  17. Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 6:12 am 

    Humanity can manage even with food chain destruction to some extent IMO as a permaculture farmer. There is lots of food that self pollinates and wind pollinates. We have lower life forms in the oceans. We can eat more meat like goats that can adapt to multispecies fauna and drought. What will change is going to a restaurant and grocery store and finding variety. Populations will likely have to drop because of loss of variety of food. There will be a lot more dead zones where food is not available meaning less humans. I am not sold on the idea near term extinction has to happen. It is possible of course especially if we make a big mistake like NUK war. I am sold on biosphere destruction and a resulting lower place on the succession ladder. If we look back in time people ate much less variety. Plains Indians ate mostly buffalo. You have the Maasia in Kenya who ate mostly cattle.

  18. Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 6:12 am 

    “In culture shift, Kenya’s Maasai herders swap to goats as drought fells cattle”
    https://tinyurl.com/y56a2zbh reuters

    “ISINYA, Kenya (Thomson Reuters Foundation) – Last year David Ole Maapia nearly lost his herd of 48 cows to crippling drought in southern Kenya’s Kajiado County. To avoid repeating the experience, the Maasai pastoralist, whose culture has long rested on cattle herding, has decided to switch to something more resilient – sheep and goats. “With this weather I can’t keep cattle for more than a day,” he told the Thomson Reuters Foundation at a bustling market in Isinya, where he was buying goats. Kenya has seen heavy rains this year in many parts of the country. But in other years more regular and severe droughts are depleting water and pasture and decimating pastoralists herds. To limit livestock losses, pastoralists like Ole Maapia are opting to sell drought-threatened cattle to buy goats, sheep and camels, which they say can better withstand erratic weather. Ole Maapia has already bought more than 200 goats and sheep, and hopes to have more than a thousand by the end of the year.”

  19. Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 6:39 am 

    “Hydrogen Could Replace Coke In Steelmaking & Lower Carbon Emissions Dramatically”
    https://tinyurl.com/y5afukab clean technica

    “steel accounts for about 9% of all carbon emissions, according to the World Steel Association…Climate activists have been hammering the steel industry for years to clean up its emissions. Now a new report by Bloomberg New Energy Finance claims hydrogen could replace coke in 10 to 50% of all steelmaking my the year 2050, given the right carbon pricing. Using hydrogen instead of coke — a process known as direct reduction — could lower the carbon emissions from steel mills significantly. “Hydrogen technologies offer a viable pathway to slash the emissions from making steel,” according to Kobad Bhavnagri, head of special projects at BloombergNEF. “No big R&D breakthroughs are necessary. If policy was in place, the world could start producing green steel within a decade. Hydrogen can do everything coal does in the steel-making process, and the technology to make fossil-free steel is already currently operating with natural gas in many parts of the world.”

  20. Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 6:52 am 

    One thing that annoys me about FAKE Green extremist liberals is how they make this into a culture war of rich privileged liberals and the deplorables. Red against blue type thing. I go to multiple environmental sites daily because I am an environmentalist REAL Green doomer prepper. This FAKE Green liberal extremist shit is not going to sell environmentalism on half the country. We need moderate progressives to embrace both sides of the equation instead of AOC types mixing in their extremist identity liberalism and socialistic economics with alternative energy platforms. The Democratic party is insane in my opinion. The Republican party was dead long ago. What we have now is a vacuum without direction. Surely sane centrist people will step in to help moderate this situation. It won’t be fixed because the world is getting more and more polarized.

  21. Sissyfuss on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 8:16 am 

    This article is meant to trigger the environmentalists more than to educate the BAUers. There seems to be an undercurrent of frustration in the authors salespitch, as it gets more difficult and delusional to hide the deleterious effects of GW/CC. Erlich was not dead wrong, just mis-timed in his calculations and humans have never been a net positive to the natural world and has now become a force for extinction while still growing in size and destructive force. The PTB will grow ever more repressive in their propaganda and control as we continue to descend to a much less vibrant and fecund lifestyle. Tighten the belt is becoming our new rallying cry that inspires no-one.

  22. Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 8:22 am 

    “Trucking Recession: Heavy-Duty Truck Orders Collapse, Production Slashed, Cancellation Orders Soar”
    https://tinyurl.com/y4crmma4 zero hedge

    “New reports from the trucking industry show the transportation recession continues to gain momentum through the end of summer, likely to continue through 2019 into 1H20. The US trucking industry had a blockbuster year in 2018, as high demand for freight allowed transportation companies to expand fleets. But since freight demand was artificial, sparked by importers pulling forward to get ahead of tariffs, the good times were destined to end and end rather sharply. The Institute for Supply Management’s purchasing managers index plunged to 49.1 in August, the first time a contraction has been seen since 2016. Prints below 50 suggest the manufacturing economy is shrinking. Data also showed new orders dropped to a seven-year low, while the production index hit 2015 lows. A transportation/manufacturing recession is developing, but it didn’t start overnight. The first signs of a slowdown began last summer when freight rates peaked last June, and have since collapsed 20% through this year, reported The Wall Street Journal…What’s new in this report is that production cuts of heavy-duty trucks and trailers are starting as cancellation requests soar — couple this with a transportation/manufacturing recession, and the increasing possibilities of a full-blown recession could be as early as next year.”

  23. onlooker on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 9:26 am 

    What an idiotically funny article. It stands to reason if you save the fecundity of the planet , you are enabling life to exist on it including ourselves.

  24. Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 10:25 am 

    “….. in my opinion….”

    I know, I know my opinion is as valuable as my asshole.

    Sorry for wasting time and space, but it makes me feel like I’m a big-shot when I see my name on a computer screen.

  25. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 10:41 am 

    2002 — : George Dubya Bush & British Poodle Tony Blair meet to drum up international support for invading Iraq, Camp David, Md. Most of the world, sans the US media, Congressmen, politicians & a small portion of gullible Americans, reject their concoction of half-truths, distortions & outright lies.

  26. DerHundistLos on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 10:48 am 

    “We have lower life forms in the oceans.”

    However, oceanographers are documenting a plummeting population of phytoplankton and zooplankton, the foundational basis of life in the ocean, due to ocean acidification and pollution.

    CNN.com – Plummeting plankton linked to warmer oceans and pollution: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/08/14/satellite.plankton/index.html

    “There is lots of food that self pollinates and wind pollinates.”

    True, but “food” would consist of a thin and tasteless gruel of corn and wheat.

  27. juan paultard madness on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 12:13 pm 

    Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 10:25 am

    “….. in my opinion….”

    I know, I know my opinion is as valuable as my asshole.

    Sorry for wasting time and space, but it makes me feel like I’m a big-shot when I see my name on a computer screen.

  28. Davy Sock Puppet on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 12:29 pm 

    juan paultard

  29. Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 1:23 pm 

    I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of material. I have enjoyed moderating the worst of you and neutering your selfish useless agendas. I will still be here it is just I will be spending more time putting out a blog. I don’t expect much of a following with my blog. This is more a personal effort to assemble what I have learned over the last 10 years of formulating my REAL Green Deep Adaptation. Many of my ideas and lifestyles are not mine. I barrow what ever works. I do not claim anything either. It is an open source effort. Anyone can take what I am offering and use it however you want. Take my title if you like. For the stalkers here I hope you find my blog and visit the comment forum. It will be only lightly moderated to prevent juanpee identity theft and excessive cloggo spamming. LOL. There will be a prize for juanpee and annoymouse if you can stalk my blog. Double LOL. Anyway fuck my enemies and many thanks to those who contributed to my metamorphous.

    I guess I could have joined the moderated section at PO dot com, but I knew I’d get my ass permanently banned. I’ll try not to let the door smack me up the backside on the way out.
    Goodbye to ALL of you dumbasses.

  30. supremacist muzzie monkey on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 1:33 pm 

    I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. you guys chill, as do i. i’d rather spend time with my goats and my italian wife.

    BIG GOAT OUT.

  31. Lunatic juanPaultard on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 2:08 pm 

    “supremacist muzzie monkey said I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated f…
    supremacist muzzie monkey said we supertards can help air strip one extend its fo…
    supremacist muzzie monkey said dear makaturd the uneducated muzzie imbecile 12 y/…
    Davy said I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated f…”

  32. Davy Sock Puppet on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 2:59 pm 

    Lunatic juanPaultard

  33. makati1 on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 5:20 pm 

    I think Davy is a government paid bot/employee, here to dissuade real exchange of views and experiences that dis his terrorist empire. But, as usual, government employees are dumbed down and unable to think for themselves so they write/copy large word salads that no one will bother to read. Or spout bullshit while trying to put down rational thought. Obviously, the site manager doesn’t care as long as there are hits. I predict it will close soon. We shall see.

  34. Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 5:50 pm 

    “I think Davy is a government paid bot/employee, here to dissuade real exchange of views and experiences that dis his terrorist empire.”
    LOL, WTF, makato did you wake up wanting to fight Davy. Makato, are you turning into a annoymouse and juanPaultard, stalking and bulling? You are a senile old man who lives in a 3rd world shithole country because your life in the US is a failure.

    “But, as usual, government employees are dumbed down and unable to think for themselves so they write/copy large word salads that no one will bother to read.”
    Obviously you read all my comments or you would not be so triggered. BTW, “slip-slidin”, “we shall see”, and “are you prepared” does not take much intelligence. That is the extent of most of your comments other than your cherry picking agenda dumps. Yea, dumps as in shit.

    “Or spout bullshit while trying to put down rational thought. Obviously, the site manager doesn’t care as long as there are hits. I predict it will close soon. We shall see.”
    Rational thought? Is that what you think comes out of your mind or annoymouse, and juanPaultard. Makato, these are your best friends. You enable and support them. juanPaultard is a certified nut case and annoymouse a obsessive asshole. You are a friggin loser and increasingly irrelevant. I am very glad you are hardly here anymore.

  35. makati1 best friend's handy work on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 5:52 pm 

    supremacist muzzie must be amputated said I spend less time on this immoderate forum to focu…
    ANAL REAPER said Fracking is as dead as a Dem winning come 2020. MA…
    ANAL REAPER said SON OF A BITCH MOTHER FUCKER
    supremacist muzzie must be amputated said Imam supertard christine douglas William’s p…

    That says a lot about your dumbass makato

  36. Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 5:56 pm 

    Oops, sorry for getting all triggered and losing my widdle temper again everyone. I should concentrate on my own blog instead like I promised y’all. I’m wasting all of our time by continuing to trash the board.

  37. Another Davy Sock Puppet on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 5:58 pm 

    makati1 best friend’s handy work

  38. JuanPaultard identity fraud on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 5:59 pm 

    “Davy on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 5:56 pm”

    juanPaultard always lurking out there stalking and obsessing. LOL. This is your best friend makato

  39. juanPaultard has lost his mind on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 6:00 pm 

    Another Davy Sock Puppet on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 5:58 pm

  40. Davy Sock on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 6:03 pm 

    juanPaultard

  41. JuanP on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 7:14 pm 

    Screw the planet, save me!

  42. Davy Sock on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 7:32 pm 

    JuanP on Sat, 7th Sep 2019 7:14 pm

  43. Dredd on Sun, 8th Sep 2019 7:11 am 

    “When an environmentalist says he or she wants to “save the planet” be sure to ask: ‘For whom?'”

    WRONG!

    When an denialist says he or she wants to “save the planet” be sure to ask: ‘FROM WHOM?

    The answer is FROM OIL-QAEDA (Patterns: Conservative Temperature & Potential Enthalpy – 5).

  44. Harold on Mon, 9th Sep 2019 6:33 am 

    We all wanna know the truth. Here it is https://dissertationauthors.com/blog/write-a-dissertation as for me!

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