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CIA and Saudi Arabia Conspired To Keep 9/11 Details Secret

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It’s easier to bury uncomfortable facts than to confront them. So this September 11, the ceremonies marking the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, D.C., will simply honor the dead. In Manhattan, tourists and mourners will gather where the World Trade Center Towers once stood, lowering their heads in memory of the 2,606 who perished there. The services won’t reflect the view that the attacks might well have been prevented.

But for hundreds of families and a growing number of former FBI agents, the grief of another 9/11 ceremony will be laced with barely muted rage: There remains a conspiracy of silence among high former U.S. and Saudi officials about the attacks.

“It’s horrible. We still don’t know what happened,” said Ali Soufan, one of the lead FBI counterterrorism agents whom the CIA kept in the dark about the movements of the future Al-Qaeda hijackers. To Soufan and many other former national security officials, the unanswered questions about the events leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks dwarf those about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, because “9/11 changed the whole world.” It not only led to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the fracturing of the Middle East and the global growth of Islamic militantism but also pushed the U.S. closer to being a virtual homeland-security police state.

“I am sad and depressed about it,” said Mark Rossini, one of two FBI agents assigned to the CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit, who says agency managers mysteriously blocked them from informing their headquarters about future Al-Qaeda plotters present in the United States in 2000 and again in the summer of 2001. “It is patently evident the attacks did not need to happen and there has been no justice,” he said.

The authors of a new book on 9/11 hope to refocus public attention on the cover-up. Thoroughly mining the multiple official investigations into the event, John Duffy and Ray Nowosielski find huge holes and contradictions in the official story that 9/11 was merely “a failure to connect the dots.”

Duffy, a left-leaning writer and environmental activist, and Nowosielski, a documentary filmmaker, have nowhere near the prominence of other journalists who have poked holes in the official story, in particular Lawrence Wright, author of The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11, the Pulitzer Prize–winning book that was turned into a gripping multi-part docudrama on Hulu earlier this year.

But Duffy and Nowosielski come to the story with a noteworthy credential: In 2009 they scored an astounding video interview with Richard Clarke, a White House counterterrorism adviser during the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations. In it, Clarke raged that top CIA officials, including director George Tenet, had withheld crucial information from him about Al-Qaeda’s plotting and movements, including the arrival in the U.S. of future hijackers Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. In The Watchdogs Didn’t Bark: The CIA, NSA, and the Crimes of the War on Terror, the authors assemble a compelling case of a government-wide cover-up of Saudi complicity in the affair.

In 2002, Tenet swore to Congress that he wasn’t aware of the imminent threat because it came in a cable that wasn’t marked urgent—and “no one read it.” But his story was shredded five years later when Senators Ron Wyden and Kit Bond forced loose an executive summary of the CIA’s own internal investigation of 9/11, which stated that “some 50 to 60 individuals read one or more of the six Agency cables containing travel information related to these terrorists.”

Clarke went ballistic. Until then, he had trusted Tenet, a close colleague and friend, to tell the truth. In 2009, despairing at the lack of media traction on the astounding disclosure, he wrote a book about the duplicity, Your Government Failed You, which was largely ignored. So when Duffy and Nowosielski came calling, he welcomed them.

“I believed, for the longest time, that this was one or two low-level desk officers who got this [information about Hazmi and Mihdhar] and somehow didn’t realize the significance,” he told them. But “50—five oh—50 CIA officers knew this, and they included [Tenet and] all kinds of people who were regularly talking to me? Saying I’m pissed doesn’t begin to describe it.”

All these years later, it’s still unclear why the CIA would keep such crucial details about Al-Qaeda movements from the FBI. Clarke and other insiders suspect that the spy agency had a deeply compartmented plan in the works to recruit Hazmi, Mihdhar and perhaps other Al-Qaeda operatives as double agents. If the FBI discovered they were in California, the theory goes, it would have demanded their arrest. When the CIA’s recruitment ploy fizzled, Tenet and company hid the details from Clarke lest they be accused of “malfeasance and misfeasance,” he said.

It’s the only logical explanation for why the presence of Hazmi and Mihdhar was kept from him until after the attacks, Clarke said. “They told us everything—except this,” he says in the video.

Tenet and two of his counterterrorism deputies, Rich Blee and Cofer Black, issued a statement calling Clarke’s theory “reckless and profoundly wrong.” But now Clarke has company. Duffy and Nowosielski found other key former FBI counterterrorism agents and officials who have developed deep doubts about Tenet’s story. The only element they disagree on is which officials were responsible for the alleged subterfuge.

“I think if there were some conscious effort” not to tell the bureau what was going on, Dale Watson, a former FBI deputy chief of counterterrorism told them, “it was probably” carried out below Tenet, Blee and Black, by managers of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit.

But Pat D’Amuro, an even more senior former FBI counterterrorism official, told them, “There’s no doubt in my mind that [withholding the information] went up further in the agency” than those managers. “And why they didn’t send it over, to this day, I don’t know why.”

And then there’s the continuing mystery of Saudi complicity with the hijackers. Duffy and Nowosielski offer a tightly focused update on what’s been learned about Saudi support for Al-Qaeda in recent years. Back in 2004, the official 9/11 Commission said it found no evidence that the “Saudi government as an institution, or senior Saudi officials individually funded” Al-Qaeda.

A year later, the highly redacted CIA inspector general’s report cracked open another window, saying that some agency officers had “speculated” that “dissident sympathizers within the government” (i.e., religious extremists) may have supported bin Laden. Subsequent investigations have revealed that officials from the kingdom’s Islamic affairs ministry were actively helping the hijackers get settled in California.

Such information spurred several hundred families of the 9/11 attack victims to file suit against the Saudi government in federal court in New York last year, seeking unspecified monetary damages.

“Saudi intelligence has admitted that they knew who these two guys were,” Andrew Maloney, an attorney for families, told Newsweek last week. “They knew they were Al-Qaeda the day they arrived in Los Angeles. So any notion from the Saudi government saying, ‘Oh, we just help out all Saudis here’ is false. They knew. And the CIA knew.”

The kingdom has turned over some 6,800 pages of documents, “mostly in Arabic,” that Maloney’s team is in the process of translating. “There’s some interesting things in there,” he said, “and some clear gaps.” He said he’ll return to court in October to press for more documents.

He also wants to depose Saudi officials, particularly Fahad al-Thumairy, a former Los Angeles consular official and imam of a Culver City, California, mosque attended by the hijackers. In 2003, Thumairy was intercepted after he landed in Los Angeles on a flight from Germany and deported from the U.S. “because of suspected terrorist links.” But he still works for the government in Riyadh, Maloney said. “Can you believe that?”

In April, Maloney subpoenaed the FBI for documents on Thumairy and Omar al-Bayoumi, a suspected Saudi spy in the U.S. who was also in contact with the hijackers. The bureau has not responded, so on September 11 he plans to file “a formal motion to compel the FBI” to produce the documents. His motion follows a sworn statement by Steven Moore, the FBI agent who headed the bureau’s investigation into the hijacking of the plane that flew into the Pentagon, charging the 9/11 Commission with misleading the public when it said it “had not found evidence” of Saudi assistance to Hazmi and Mihdhar.

“There was clearly evidence that Thumairy provided assistance to Hazmi and Mihdhar,” Moore wrote. And “based on the proof in our investigation,” he added, “Bayoumi himself was a clandestine agent and associated with radical extremists, including Thumairy.”

Moore’s statement was first reported by the Florida Bulldog, a Fort Lauderdale news site that has been investigating the hijackers’ contacts with flight schools. “To my knowledge,” Moore stated, “Thumairy has never been the subject of a genuine law enforcement interview conducted by the actual agents who investigated him.”

Maloney’s additional targets are other FBI, CIA, State Department and Treasury Department personnel and documents. “There are a lot of people, former agents—I won’t identify who or what agencies—who have talked to us,” he said, but others, especially in the CIA’s bin Laden unit, “will never talk to us or will only talk to us if they are given some kind of blanket immunity.”

Getting access to them, he said, would probably require an executive order from President Donald Trump—an unlikely outcome given his administration’s strong backing for the Saudi monarchy.

There may be public support for Maloney’s endeavors. A 2016 poll found a slight majority of Americans (54.3 percent) believe that the government is hiding something about the 9/11 attacks. Then again, a considerable number of 9/11 “truthers” embrace conspiracy theories positing that the attacks were “an inside job” by the Bush administration and/or Israel and abetted by explosives planted in one of the World Trade Center towers.

GettyImages-924605998 The September 11 memorial in lower Manhattan. Spencer Platt/Getty Images

But they are right about Saudi resistance to fully disclosing its relations with the hijackers. Last year, agents of the monarchy were discovered surreptitiously funding a PR effort to derail a congressional bill permitting a 9/11 families group to sue the kingdom for damages. Last September, the family group filed a 17-page complaint with the Justice Department.

Terry Strada, a leader of the group 9/11 Families & Survivors United for Justice Against Terrorism, will mourn again this year, but not at the site where the towers once stood and her husband died. She plans to attend “a private service” at the Shrine of St. Joseph in Stirling, New Jersey, which she said has “a beautiful and solemn space” dedicated to all who died in the 9/11 attacks.

But she is also full of fury at the government’s refusal to release all it knows about the run-up to the attacks. “It’s very sad that we’re still being kept in the dark about it. It’s frustrating. It angers me,” she told Newsweek. “It’s a slap in the face. They think they’re above the law and don’t have to respond to the families—and the world. It’s disgusting.”

But Strada evinces even more disdain for the Saudis. Responding to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s August 20 message “wishing Muslims around the world a blessed Eid al-Adha,” she tweeted, “Seriously???”

Strada added, “The Saudis promote & finance the most virulent hatred toward Americans than any other nation. Murdered 3,000 on Sept 11.” The “9/11 families,” she wrote, “will #NEVERFORGET. #FreeTheTruth”



21 Comments on "CIA and Saudi Arabia Conspired To Keep 9/11 Details Secret"

  1. Twocats on Wed, 29th Aug 2018 11:28 am 

    Think of all the 9/11 quantities of dead that have resulted in US war on terror and other ongoing interventions , weapons sales etc. Democratic republic of Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan , Syria to name a brief couple. All mostly deaths as a result of US ideology.

  2. Cloggie on Wed, 29th Aug 2018 12:04 pm 

    Scientific expose by a professional US architect in front of the future Dutch technological elite, students of the university of Delft, they recognize an argument when they see one:

    Convinces the audience, witnessing their loud applause afterwards.

    9/11 remains the #1 opportunity to drain the Swamp.

    P.S. Why the very courageous and tenacious Richard Gage is in love with Delft:

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  7. Darrell Cloud on Wed, 29th Aug 2018 7:47 pm 

    The FBI knew. They were informed that Arabs were learning to fly commercial planes with no interest in how to land them. They opted to ignore the information. Bush flew out the Saudis while every thing else was grounded. The deep state’s fingerprints are all over this.

  8. Cloggie on Wed, 29th Aug 2018 9:58 pm 

    “The FBI knew. They were informed that Arabs were learning to fly commercial planes with no interest in how to land them. They opted to ignore the information. Bush flew out the Saudis while every thing else was grounded. The deep state’s fingerprints are all over this.”

    There is not a shred of proof Arabs were involved in this.

    If you accept that buildings WTC1,2,7 were wired for demolition and blown up, you can safely conclude that there were no “Arab terrorists” involved.

    It is impossible to deny that at least WTC7 was blown up (free fall symmetric implosion), see totally convincing video by Richard Gage linked to above.

    So if not Arabs, wo did it?

    It is not possible to wire buildings for demolition without the owner knowing about it.

    Who is the owner?

    Larry Silverstein, a fanatic hard-core Zionist and well-connected to the Israeli government (that commands the Mossad, a club able to carry out such an operation).

    If there were no Arabs, then these planes were remote controlled and telecrashed into these buildings. Tertium non datur. That’s technologically feasible. Automatic pilots and air traffic control are able to land planes with the pilot unconscious or dead. In fact, air traffic control routinely sends flight paths to normal planes during normal operation, although pilots can overrule that.

    They obviously didn’t. Possible explanation? They entire crew + passengers were incapacitated with nerve gas or similar, released from air ducts, shortly after take off. Nice, doable engineering task for a club like the Mossad. All four planes were carrying dead passengers and crew before they impacted.

    Why was WTC7 wired for demolition as well, embarrassing the perps of the operation? Because the Shanksville plane didn’t show up, as it was shot down on orders of a local commander, who was not involved in the plot and had send a jet up, whose pilot, Eric Gibney, had verified that everybody on board was dead. The commander on the ground ordered to shoot down the plane, forcing Larry Silverstein to stumble “we decided to pull”, as he could not afford to let investigators find out that his building was wired for demolition.

    Who were the perps? Neocons, backing the PNAC agenda by the end nineties. A small subset of them needed a New Pearl Harbor, similar to the original Pearl Harbor, to create the excuse to wage war, by creating a terrorism meme, creating the excuse to invade the Middle East and expand the empire by adding the missing oil sources and achieve total control of the planet.

    Who came up with the idea? PNAC signatory Dov Zakheim, who had headed a company specialized in remote control of airplanes shortly before 9/11 and decided to have a plane crashing into the Pentagon in exactly that spot where a group of comptrollers were investigating what had happened to two trillion dollars that went missing under the responsibility of… Dov Zakheim.

    Shortly before his death, Italian president and terrorism expert Cossiga had revealed in an interview with the largest Italian newspaper that 9/11 was a coproduction of CIA and Mossad and that “everybody knew it”.

    9/11, a case completely solved, but an entire nation silent about it, because they are too afraid of the consequences if this comes out, namely the controlled demolition of the entire US power structure aka “swamp” and total chaos.

    This situation was precisely the reason why an endless array of leaders throughout history at some point decided to throw out the koshers, an essentially criminal, parasitic demographic. Or as Voltaire once wrote in a private letter: “I would not be surprised if some day these people could become deadly to the human race”.

    That moment is now.

    Just study the behavior and statements of our resident “Mastermind” to get an idea of the mode of thinking of the planetary maffia.

  9. Kat C on Thu, 30th Aug 2018 4:22 am 

    Limited hangout. Of course it was an inside job. Trump knows. Will he do anything?

  10. Thomas Potter on Thu, 30th Aug 2018 5:19 am 

    If your death was determined to be homicide by gunshot, the forensic investigation better report a bullet hole in your body. Would the coroner’s report of homicide by gunshot be a theory or a conclusion from ALL of the evidence? Evidence may be used to form a theory but a theory CAN NOT be used to form evidence. Dr. Wood does not present a theory, she presents evidence.

    Who would disagree with this statement of fact? Those who wish to cover-up the crimes of 9/11.

    Remember: Those who control the energy control the people. But those who control their perception control everything.

    The order of crime solving, that one must first identify:

    1) WHAT happened before determining

    2) HOW “it” happened…before one can determine

    3) WHO did “it” or

    4) WHY they did “it.”

    Since writing her book, Dr. Wood has come to understand more clearly how cover-ups work. People are encouraged to skip step #1 and begin arguing about step #2. In order to argue about HOW “it” happened, people are left to IMAGINE what “it” was that happened. From then on, they are only addressing an imaginary problem, not a real problem. And they can never ever solve the real problem unless they begin with step #1, which defines WHAT the problem is they need to solve.


    There were five key events on 9/11 when the Earth’s magnetic field fluctuated. They were when each plane shaped cookie cutout hole appeared and when the molecular disassociation began for WTC building one, two, and later in the day, building number seven. This evidence is covered in Chapter 19, pages 413 to 430 in WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO?

    Some of the principal EVIDENCE that must be explained:

    The Twin Towers were destroyed faster than physics can explain by a free fall speed “collapse.”

    They underwent mid-air pulverization and were turned to dust before they hit the ground.

    The protective bathtub was not significantly damaged by the destruction of the Twin Towers.

    The rail lines, the tunnels and most of the rail cars had only light damage, if any.

    The WTC underground mall survived well, witnessed by Warner Bros. Road Runner and friends. There were reports that “The Gap” was looted.

    The seismic impact was minimal, far too small based on a comparison with the Kingdome controlled demolition.

    The Twin Towers were destroyed from the top down, not bottom up.

    The demolition of WTC7 was whisper quiet and the seismic signal was not significantly greater than background noise.

    The upper 80 percent, approximately, of each tower was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth.

    The upper 90 percent, approximately, of the inside of WTC7 was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth.

    One file cabinet with folder dividers survived.

    No toilets survived or even recognizable portions of one.

    Windows of nearby buildings had circular and other odd-shaped holes in them.

    In addition to the odd window damage, the marble facade was completely missing from around WFC1 and WFC2 entry, with no other apparent structural damage.

    Fuzzballs, evidence that the dust continued to break down and become finer and finer.

    Truckloads of dirt were hauled in and hauled out of the WTC site, a pattern that continues to this day.

    Fuming of the dirt pile. Fuming decreased when watered, contrary to fumes caused by fire or heat.

    Fuzzyblobs, a hazy cloud that appeared to be around material being destroyed.

    The Swiss-Cheese appearance of steel beams and glass.

    Evidence of molecular dissociation and transmutation, as demonstrated by the near-instant rusting of affected steel.

    Weird fires. The appearance of fire, but without evidence of heating.

    Lack of high heat. Witnesses reported that the initial dust cloud felt cooler than ambient temperatures. No evidence of burned bodies.

    Columns were curled around a vertical axis like rolled-up carpets, where overloaded buckled beams should be bent around the horizontal axis.

    Office paper was densely spread throughout lower Manhattan, unburned, often along side cars that appeared to be burning.

    Vertical round holes were cut into buildings 4, 5 and 6, and into Liberty street in front of Bankers Trust, and into Vesey Street in front of WTC6, plus a cylindrical arc was cut into Bankers Trust.

    All planes except top secret missions were ordered down until 10:31 a.m. (when only military flights were allowed to resume), after both towers were destroyed, and only two minutes (120 seconds) after WTC 1 had been destroyed.

    Approximately 1,400 motor vehicles were towed away, toasted in strange ways, during the destruction of the Twin Towers.

    The order and method of destruction of each tower minimized damage to the bathtub and adjacent buildings.

    More damage was done to the bathtub by earth-moving equipment during the clean-up process than from the destruction of more than a million tons of buildings above it.

    Twin Tower control without damaging neighboring buildings, in fact all seriously damaged and destroyed buildings had a WTC prefix.

    The north wing of WTC 4 was left standing, neatly sliced from the main body which virtually disappeared.

    For more than seven years, regions in the ground under where the main body of WTC4 stood have continued to fume.

    The WTC1 and WTC2 rubble pile was far too small to account for the total mass of the buildings.

    The WTC7 rubble pile was too small for the total mass of the building and consisted of a lot of mud.

    Eyewitness testimony about toasted cars, instant disappearance of people by “unexplained” waves, a plane turning into a mid-air fireball, electrical power cut off moments before WTC 2 destruction, and the sound of explosions.

    Eyewitness testimony of Scott-pack explosions in fire trucks and fire trucks exploding that were parked near the WTC.

    There were many flipped cars in the neighborhood of the WTC complex near trees with full foliage.

    Magnetometer readings in Alaska recorded abrupt shifts in the earth’s magnetic field with each of the events at the WTC on 9/11.

    Hurricane Erin, located just off Long Island on 9/11/01, went virtually unreported in the days leading up to 9/11, including omission of this Hurricane on the morning weather map, even though that portion of the Atlantic Ocean was shown on the map.

    Sillystring, the appearance of curious cork-screw trails.

    Uncanny similarities with the Hutchison Effect, where the Hutchison Effect exhibits all of the same phenomena listed above.

    Is it possible that such a technology exist? Since invention of the microwave for cooking in 1945 and lasers in 1955*, commercial and military development of directed-energy technology has proceeded apace, so use of directed-energy technology is likely to exist — and the data tells us it does exist.

  11. Darrell Cloud on Thu, 30th Aug 2018 6:56 am 

    Arguing with people over the alleged truth about what happened on 9/11 is an absolute waste of time. Beliefs dominate the discussion. Facts are few and far between.

    If the omnipotent, omnipresent intelligence network functions as advertised, there is no way that the 17 agencies involved did not know about the pending attack on the World Trade Center. So, taking an absolutely cynical point of view, why did the deep state let it proceed?

    The popular notion was that it was an inside job. It flies against our preconceived notions to think that a bunch of goat herders could possibly have taken down these icons of the American Empire. I get that but none of us know the actual truth. All we have are competing narratives.

    Using Occam’s Razor to slice through this mess. My gut tells me that these agencies are much less than advertised. They are inept and self-serving. Looking at the incredible efforts being used to take down Trump, it becomes readily apparent that these agencies’ resources are directed predominantly at shutting down their political rivals and advancing the personal careers of key players.

    What happened after the fact is patently obvious. The U.S. was launched into a perpetual state of war. The constitution was suspended and the executive branch became a de facto dictatorship. The Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act gave the executive branch the authority to disappear, torture and murder American citizens with impunity. Our citizenship was lost in the process and we became subjects to the state. Home Land Security grew into a behemoth and purchased enough ammunition to kill us all four times over.

    The war on terror gave the new world order advocates the pretext they needed to take down Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia and Iran.

    The intent of course was to get a lock on the largest remaining oil supplies. The oligarchs girded their loins and strengthened their protective state.

  12. JuanP on Thu, 30th Aug 2018 7:32 am 

    The only thing I have to say about 9-11 is that I don’t believe the official story and that the US government was involved in planning the attacks or knew about them beforehand and let them happen. Pearl Harbor, Kennedy assassination, 9-11 … The US government will not hesitate to kill Americans or let them die if it serves its purposes.

  13. Sys1 on Thu, 30th Aug 2018 9:49 am 

    I stopped to believe in 911 official story when G.W.BUsh attacked Irak in 2003 for the supposed “weapons of mass destruction” hold by Saddam Hussein.
    All the documents “proving” the existence of those weapons brang by Collin Powell at NATO were falsified, which means that a war was triggered on fake made evidences. Consequences were awfull for the region and allies who could not believe any more in USA parole.
    From there, 911 itself appeared suspicious to me.

  14. JuanP on Thu, 30th Aug 2018 11:35 am 

    Sys1, I can’t remember when I stopped believing the official 911 narrative exactly, but I know that I never believed the Iraq’s WMD lies. Eventually, it all added up. Now, I don’t believe anything the US government says. And, I also realized at some point that the wars on Yugoslavia where based on lies, too.

  15. Free Speech Forum on Fri, 31st Aug 2018 12:08 am 

    How do Americans deal with hypocrisy today?

    You might live in a warm place and own a new car listening to good music with an excellent stereo after you ate a delicious dinner and feel pretty good about living in a free country, but how does being tracked and wiretapped 24/7 feel?

    Americans may feel like they are good people even when they commit three felonies a day just by existing.

    How do Americans justify paying taxes when their taxes fund rising debt, Obamacare, food stamps, regulations, US wars, illegal immigrants, nanny state laws, security cameras, license plate readers, checkpoints, redlight cameras, speed cameras, FBI facial and voice recognition, curfews, gun bans, NSA wiretapping, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, CISPA, SOPA, IMBRA, private prison quotas, no knock raids, take down notices, no fly lists, terror watch lists, Constitution free zones, stop and frisk, 3 strikes laws, kill switches, National Security Letters, DNA databases, kill lists, FBAR, FATCA, Operation Chokepoint, TSA groping, civil forfeiture, CIA torture, NDAA indefinite detention, secret FISA courts, FEMA camps, laws requiring passports for domestic travel, IRS laws denying passports for tax debts, gun and ammo stockpiles, laws outlawing protesting, police militarization, chain gangs, boot camps, and Jade Helm?

    Americans might feel like they live in a moral country, but how can a nation that tortures and launches endless wars take the moral high ground on anything?

    How could Americans not feel responsible for US wars, debt, and tyranny?

    How would the founding fathers think about the collapse of the USA?

    The American default reaction to hard facts seems to be to not think and to silence those who speak the truth, but facts don’t cease to exist because they are ignored.

    Future generations will ask why Americans didn’t resist when the US became a police state.

    One thing worse than learning that you live in a police state is finding out that no one cares.

    The only realistic option left for a moral American seems to be to renounce your citizenship.

  16. makati1 on Fri, 31st Aug 2018 1:40 am 

    FSF, yes, the last line says it all. “The only realistic option left for a moral American seems to be to renounce your citizenship.” While I have not renounced my Us citizenship, I had moved to the Philippines some 10 years ago when I saw the writing on the wall. I have not regretted that move.

    There is no way that the Us can go back to “the good old days” of the early 1900s. Most Americans are addicted to the easy life. And, yes, even the “poor” in America live better than billions live around the world. Much better. Few starve to death. Freeze to death. Have no shelter from the weather. Etc. That is why I point out that the pain coming to America is going to be many multiples of that in most countries. Some here argue differently, but, denial will n0t change anything.

  17. joe on Fri, 31st Aug 2018 6:47 am 

    Why cover up and conceal 9-11 evidence? Carlyle Group, KBR, Harriman-Bush-Cheney, John Major, ‘Afghan-Arabs’ 1970s, Israel Occupation v (former CIA agent) Usama bin Laden, US use of al qeada in breakdown of Yugoslavia, support of Al Qaeda in Chechnya (leading directly to the rise of Putin), etc etc.
    There’s blood all over the deep states hands, 90% plus of Americans have no clue what the secret organisations do in Americas name around the world. 9-11 truth is small beans compared to the full truth. Saving Saudis ass from US courts keeps allot of other skeletons in Americas closet. Jihadis hate America they want to destroy it, so they use the best strategy they can, infiltration by presenting themselves as useful stooges, its jihad 101.

  18. Robert Inget on Fri, 31st Aug 2018 6:40 pm

    Iran moving missiles into Iraq and Syria.

    One can’t believe Israel will permit.

  19. Davy on Fri, 31st Aug 2018 7:36 pm 


    bob, you think Russia will allow that missile system to be moved around Syria and Iraq? Highly unlikely it is a S400. I don’t even think Iran has taken delivery of 400’s anyway. I am not even sure they have a deal on the 400’s. I believe they have S300’s.

  20. joe on Sat, 1st Sep 2018 1:05 am 

    S300, S400, who cares. They are a pointless system in the next wars which will be drone dominated with mercs acting as auxiliary forces. Drone tanks, planes, boats, subs and missiles will make up the bulk of the actual force projection, human troops will simply occupy empty land, clear mines and hide from drone counter attacks. The biggest issue with war now is the occupation of large urban centres and using populations both sympathetic or not as human sheilds. This Maoist/Communist strategy has led to more massacres than I care to imagine. Its also totally against the now defunct ‘rules of war’. This tactic is causing weak goverments to opt for the ‘nuclear option’ and simply uproot and remove populations which are open to infiltration, such as recently the Roghingas in Myanmar and the population swaps in Syria and Ukraine. This is modern war, looks allot like war in 1945 to me though, where mixed populations tried desperately to unmix themselves….

  21. makati1 on Sat, 1st Sep 2018 4:47 am 

    joe, the next “war” will become nuclear in days, if not hours. A long ground war is out of the question now. No side will back down and the idiots in DC are ready to push the red button today..

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