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Boomer generation must address climate change now

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I can understand the concern over Oregon’s cap and trade bill. I can also understand that it is controversial. However, as a professional engineer licensed in two states and a small woodland owner, I am not sure that the issue of energy use and climate change is fully understood by most.

Please look at the big picture: world population, 7.7 billion; United States population, 327 million; Oregon population, 4.25 million; 2014 world energy consumption, 372.39 quad BTU; United States yearly energy consumption, 97.9 quad BTU. In other words, our energy consumption is totally out of proportion to the rest of the world. We are “the haves.” There are a lot of “have nots” in the world. Then, consider that Oregon lives in the “Goldilocks Zone,” where we won’t be impacted as much by climate changes as other areas of the world. However, please understand that there are 7.7 billion people in the world and only 327 million in the United States. A lot of those people in the world will have to go somewhere else. In fact, some of our southern border immigrants are climate refugees. They cannot grow food due to lack of rainfall. Oregon has a population of 4.25 million. The metro area of Phoenix has 4.27 million. If only a quarter of the population of Phoenix became a climate refuge and moved to Oregon, our population would grow 25 percent.

We have not planned for that growth rate. In fact, since I deal with it on a daily basis, our land use regulation system has ensured that we will continue to have to drive our cars from work to shopping to home in an endless triangle, and subdivisions will continue to expand into our valuable farm land.

In the 1970s, I saw the barn burnt down in King City for the shopping center, now you can drive from that shopping center through subdivisions to within a mile of Forest Grove. This is unsustainable, but our land use system has mandated this model. Cities historically grew from a summer trading spot to a year-round store, to a village, to a city, then to Detroit. What historically was a natural progression is now a planning and zoning nightmare. I deal with it daily. I am also a tree farmer. I have been planting trees since the 1950s with a 90- to 95-percent survival rate. Now, I am lucky to have a 50-percent survival rate and have replanted one area three times now. Some of my mature trees are dying. Something has changed. In conclusion, my generation (I am on Social Security) will continue to enjoy our life style. My generation’s children will experience climate unrest in their golden years, and their children will experience an uncertain future. Our responsibility is not “business as usual.” We need to not only change how we do things, but need to make huge changes in how we do things. Our world is changing, it is up to us to anticipate it and act on behalf of those that follow. Having the Republicans running away and hiding is not the solution. Leonard Rydell is a Newberg resident

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80 Comments on "Boomer generation must address climate change now"

  1. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 20th Jul 2019 7:56 pm 

    Germany’s forests on the verge of collapse, experts report

    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-forests-on-the-verge-of-collapse-experts-report/a-49659810

    lol

  2. Davy on Sat, 20th Jul 2019 8:06 pm 

    IMA, as the board leading expert on all things spiritual, I‘m here to tell y’all 3 important things.

    1. Y’all are responsible for your own feelings. Nobody else has any bearing on how you feel.

    2. The energy you give, is the energy you will receive.

    3. Sticks and stones can break your bones, but words can never hurt you. (Unless you lose control of your own feelings. See number 1)

  3. I AM THE MOB on Sat, 20th Jul 2019 9:41 pm 

    This racist ass white boy threw a bottle at my cousin’s truck and well…. here’s the aftermath
    https://twitter.com/bossman_banks/status/1152679405661163520

    lmaooo

  4. Cloggie on Sat, 20th Jul 2019 10:48 pm 

    “Clogg we beat your region into the ground in WW2..And that is why our economy boomed right after for 40 years..”

    That’s moldy history, this is 2019. In those days you were a united white people and had the USSR and France on your side and China basically didn’t exist. Today you have lost competition on world’s markets and your planes are falling out of the sky, because they were designed by darkies from India for minimum wage.LOL Now you are beaten by Airbus too. Your only ally is the UK.

    Oh look, Peter Hitchins-kike doesn’t believe in the competence of the UK army:

    https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

    “PETER HITCHENS: We’re destroying the Armed Forces – the last great institution that Britain has left”

    Iranians read that too.

    Having wrecked the schools, the police, the courts and the Civil Service, destroyed the married family and debauched the economy, the slow-motion British Revolution now plans to ruin the Armed Forces, the last truly conservative institutions left standing after 60 years of upheaval.

    At the end of this process, the Army, Navy and Air Force will still exist in outward form, but they will be useless for the purpose for which we have them – fighting the enemy. Instead, they will produce plenty of annual reports showing how sexually equal and inclusive they are.

    Anglo soldiers can be identified from their lovely pink battle dresses.ROFL

  5. Cloggie on Sat, 20th Jul 2019 11:18 pm 

    “Poor ugly and trashy European whites..They are the low brow white people..”

    Yes, I know you kikes hate white people. Hate to break it to you, but we Europeans are the only show in town, always have been, always will be:

    https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2017/09/26/origin-scientific-accomplishments/

    https://images.app.goo.gl/ND3kV4e7mZwaUhDe6

    http://marchofthetitans.com/

    This American interlude will be very brief, its almost over. Your not going to conquer the world with negroes and demoralized whites:

    https://images.app.goo.gl/pgEm3soxsLhqkAoK7

    But before Anglosphere disintegrates and disappears from history, the “topic of WW3”, you are going to get a “Special Treatment”, like happened so many times before in history. And remember floppy, Arbeit macht frei!

  6. Shortend on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 1:40 am 

    Now!? Years LATE and Trillions $$$Short…pleaaaase

  7. Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 2:57 am 

    The “World’s Foremost Problem”-latest:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7268473/Private-investigator-spent-decade-tracking-Jeffrey-Epstein-reveals-new-details.html

    “‘Once the girls lost their braces, they were too old for him’: Private investigator who spent a DECADE tracking Jeffrey Epstein claims he ‘met with one 13-year-old victim who looked like she was aged NINE'”

    Many in the US-UK elite are implicated.

  8. Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 4:51 am 

    “Cloggmeister, sir, remove wind and solar from the 43% equation.”

    Why should I?

    “It is obvious to all who have studied the matter that Germany has some of the highest electricity costs in the world.”

    Yes, but that is NOT because of renewable energy, the cheapest form of electricity around, as long as you don’t have to worry about storage. Electricity-prices in Germany and other European countries are so high because of TAXES, not because of the alleged high price of renewable electricity.

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/02/03/structure-electricity-prices-europe/

    But Europe can afford these high prices as it forces Europeans to be economical with energy and not waste it like Americans do. As a consequence, Europeans needs far less energy to make a million buck than Americans, who appear to heat their homes with the windows wide open:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/energy-efficiency-country-ranking/

    “It has also been written about that Germany renewable effort is stalling. Why it is stalling is it is hitting the ceiling of grid penetration when everything gets more difficult and more expensive.”

    That was because the German public blocked the construction of new power-lines. That problem has meanwhile been solved:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/06/06/breakthrough-grid-expansion-in-germany/

    “This is all happening at a time when Germany’s economy is in decline.”

    It isn’t in decline. Scroll down 1/3 to see economic growth timeline:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Germany

    “The same reason that energiewende is a failure explains why wind power cannot replace fossil fuels in the current economic and social paradigm.”

    Typical meaningless empire dave sentence, desperately hanging on this his failed doomer world-view, adopted around 2005, thanks to the likes of Heinberg c.s., and has dug himself (and his family) so deep in a hole, he can’t get out again without major loss of face. Ah well, Ozarks-Missouri, according to Kunstler, is one of the best places to survive the coming upheaval in the US, upheaval completely unrelated to “peak-oil” superstition, but caused by shifting demographics and subsequent societal disruption and balkanization.

  9. Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 5:03 am 

    “WTF, $4.5 trillion is peanuts??? Cloggo, you have zero business and economic sense.”

    Again, no figures from empire dave, just chest-thumping about his imagined business-sense. No worries, I’ll give you the figures.

    4.5 trillion, smeared out over 30 years would be offset against 30 x 20 trillion GDP = 600 trillion. 4.5 trillion for a brand-new renewable energy base would be 0.75% of total GDP.

    ABSOLUTE PEANUTS!

    Any idea how much the US spends on energy, mr business genius? Of course not. I’ll give it to you: 5.6%

    https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=36754

    See?

    Now, I don’t know if that 4.5 trillion figure includes storage, I doubt it. It is perhaps just related to raw renewable power generation. But even then: there are good prospects that renewable energy is going to win the energy battle on price alone.

    And Europe will get there first, because we have no conventional fossil fuel and perhaps you will volunteer to help us a little by starting a war in the Gulf, destroying most oil infrastructure… that never will be rebuild, forcing Europe to gear up the transition. We plan for 2050, but we can do it before 2030:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/09/30/hans-josef-fell-accelerating-the-global-transition-to-100-renewable-energy/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/by-2030-you-wont-own-a-car/

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/03/24/the-netherlands-fossil-free-in-2030/

  10. Davy on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 5:52 am 

    “4.5 trillion, smeared out over 30 years would be offset against 30 x 20 trillion GDP = 600 trillion. 4.5 trillion for a brand-new renewable energy base would be 0.75% of total GDP.”
    Cloggo, anyone can do your napkin math above you have little understanding of the holistic economic picture of a 4.5 trillion investment. Besides, going back to your comment where did you talk about 30 years but now you do to try to make your ignorant comment more realistic.

    “ABSOLUTE PEANUTS! Any idea how much the US spends on energy, mr business genius? Of course not. I’ll give it to you: 5.6%”
    AH, cloggo, how does how much the US spend on energy have to do with a $4.5 trillion investment? Explain your 5.6% cloggo. How does that make the investment more possible? All you do cloggo, is take fantasy numbers and paint fantasy pictures. You are a fraud.

    “Now, I don’t know if that 4.5 trillion figure includes storage, I doubt it. It is perhaps just related to raw renewable power generation. But even then: there are good prospects that renewable energy is going to win the energy battle on price alone.”
    Cloggo, there are so many cost that $4.5TRIL figure does not include. It is a pie in the sky number like you throw around constantly. You live in a fantasy world of fake numbers and political currents.

    “https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/09/30/hans-josef-fell-accelerating-the-global-transition-to-100-renewable-energy/ https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/by-2030-you-wont-own-a-car/ https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/03/24/the-netherlands-fossil-free-in-2030/
    More fraudulent naked links. Where is the actually data from your personal WordPress that prove your point. Posting links does not make it right you intellectually lazy buffoon

  11. Davy on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 5:52 am 

    “Cloggmeister, sir, remove wind and solar from the 43% equation.” Why should I?”
    Ah, because it exposes how small the wind and solar are in that 43% equation. It shows how much has been spent with a small increase. You like big number or small numbers to prove your weak points.

    “It is obvious to all who have studied the matter that Germany has some of the highest electricity costs in the world.” Yes, but that is NOT because of renewable energy, the cheapest form of electricity around, as long as you don’t have to worry about storage. Electricity-prices in Germany and other European countries are so high because of TAXES, not because of the alleged high price of renewable electricity.”
    BULLSHIT, cloggo, it is much more than taxes. It is the whole renewable drive and the subsidies that got this effort to where it is at. BTW, the taxes are part of it.

    “But Europe can afford these high prices as it forces Europeans to be economical with energy and not waste it like Americans do.”
    Europes economy is one of the lowest performers at the moment of all the global economic powers and you think you can afford more. Money grows on trees for the cloggo.

    “ As a consequence, Europeans needs far less energy to make a million buck than Americans, who appear to heat their homes with the windows wide open:”
    More bullshit you have used for years and has no direct relation to the reality of a business making money. Europe is full of Zombie companies kept alive by negative rates.

    “It has also been written about that Germany renewable effort is stalling. Why it is stalling is it is hitting the ceiling of grid penetration when everything gets more difficult and more expensive.” That was because the German public blocked the construction of new power-lines. That problem has meanwhile been solved:”
    It is because Germany is entering the zone of the cost curve where the hard part is ahead. This cost curve inflection zone is where all those other cost start adding up. Germany is stalling because the real cost of a full renewable transition is huge. The cloggo loves to claim renewable power is free but it is not free. If one looks at isolated micro examples, we can make the case renewables are cheap but that is more deception by the queen of deception. FRAUD

    “The same reason that energiewende is a failure explains why wind power cannot replace fossil fuels in the current economic and social paradigm.” “Typical meaningless empire dave sentence, desperately hanging on this his failed doomer world-view”
    CLOGGO, you have not succeeded and the hardest part is ahead. You just say “here it is in another 20 years because this”. You cannot extrapolate success from what has been done. There is so much more to it. To truly make the changes Germany envisions means deindustrialization and that means lower affluence. Lower affluence means the money to make the transition my not be there. It is unclear what is ahead but being sure of success based upon the status quo now is not it.

    “Ah well, Ozarks-Missouri, according to Kunstler, is one of the best places to survive the coming upheaval in the US, upheaval completely unrelated to “peak-oil” superstition, but caused by shifting demographics and subsequent societal disruption and balkanization.”
    Peak oil is alive and well cloggo. Just wait until a financial decline sets in and we will see how well all these expensive energy efforts both fossil fuels and renewables do. We will then see the 2050 figure for a full transition go out even further. A full renewable energy transition is like the fusion fantasy.

  12. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 5:52 am 

    Clogg

    Why don’t you allow any comments on your blog?

    Your arguments and evidence don’t hold up to scrutiny…That is why..You Nazi’s are always censoring everyone..

    Why dont you get a job and stop wasting your life..Your region is on the brink..Enjoy the peace while you can because chaos won’t be fun..

    LOL

  13. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 6:16 am 

    Tommy Robinson ‘punched in prison shower by man, 70, for acting like a celebrity’

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tommy-robinson-punched-prison-shower-18459295

  14. Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 6:28 am 

    “Why don’t you allow any comments on your blog?”

    Because I only have interest in broadcasting my messages, not in wasting my time with discussing them with dipshits worldwide like you. My time is too valuable. You can discuss my views here.

    “You Nazi’s are always censoring everyone.”

    Really? This board has two forums: one moderated for lefties above and one cut-throat “Darwinian”, that would be this one. The above-one is moderated, this “natzi” forum in contrast is as free as a bird. Even Marxists like you are allowed, which I fully support, because every now and then I want my piece of red meat.

    That would be you.

    “Enjoy the peace while you can because chaos won’t be fun.”

    Absolutely! French white-nationalist Guillaume Faye, who recently deceased, may Odin have his soul, has written a book that has now been published:

    https://www.amazon.fr/Ethnic-Apocalypse-Coming-European-Civil/dp/1912975343/ref=sr_1_1

    In the sloppy American translation, the subtitle is “European civil war”, but in reality it will be a war between autochtones and Islamic and African invaders. But the real title is “Ethnic Apocalypse” and that is correct.

    #RiversOfBlood

    But before you express any US vs EU triumphalism, it needs to be reminded that Europe today is still more white than America has ever been, throughout its entire history. More than 90% white. America in contrast has 197 million whites, that’s 60%. So if YOU want to relate demography and social unrest, you should be concerned with America, not Europe:

    https://tinyurl.com/y5upd7dk

    Ann Coulter: “The Only National Emergency Is That Our President Is An Idiot” (Clogg: as in not right-wing enough)

    “Thank God he’s released me from any responsibility for what he’s been doing,” she said. “That was the biggest favor anyone could do for me today. The country is over, by the way, that’s why.“

    Ann is a smart gall, I like her. She is even smarter then (((Bill Maher))) OK, that’s not really a standard:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxpSmUZLmfQ

  15. Davy on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 6:43 am 

    cloggo, why do you spend so much time here on this obscure low viewership forum? Much of the members are Anglo or American that could give a shit about your Natzi BS? If you really thought you were cutting edge stuff then you would be preaching to your fellow euros and making a difference. I think you just like attacking Anglos and Americans and secretly know you are irrelevant in your own land.

  16. Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 7:01 am 

    “Cloggmeister, sir, anyone can do your napkin math above you have little understanding of the holistic economic picture of a 4.5 trillion investment. Besides, going back to your comment where did you talk about 30 years but now you do to try to make your ignorant comment more realistic.”

    “holistic economic picture” – more empty talk.

    30 years is the time the measure of all things, that is Europe, has taken for itself to build a renewable energy base. You would be well advised to follow that example. Nobody expects to spend 4.5 trillion in a single year. If possible you want to write off your fossil fuel junk first, so you want a gradual transition.

    “how does how much the US spend on energy have to do with a $4.5 trillion investment? Explain your 5.6%”.

    That 4.5 trillion for a US renewable energy base would ELIMINATE that annual 5.6% US energy bill, what’s so difficult to understand about that, dummy!?

    “there are so many cost that $4.5TRIL figure does not include.”

    Like what? Examples please! Are you suggesting you actually read the Scottish study? LOL

    Actually, here is the executive summary of the study:

    http://decarbonisation.think.woodmac.com/summary/

    That 4.5 trillion relate to the US power grid, not the entire energy picture.

    The German Fraunhofer institute has calculated that if you want to decarbonize the entire economy and keep the current level of affluence, you need to double the electricity production and be able to store ca. 41% of the annual energy consumption. In other words: THAT transition would cost the US 9 trillion instead of 4.5 trillion. Smeared out over an international accepted time frame of 30 years, that would amount to 1.5% of 30 years US GDP.

    Again: the annual energy budget (that would evaporate) is currently at 5.6% GDP.

    As the study admits:

    Price tag may not be the highest hurdle to overcome

    Challenges: entire industries and their vested interests need to die. Oil and gas-industry will resist. Europe in this respect is psychologically light-years ahead of the US, that simply can’t abandon its old oil success formula.

    Wood Mackenzie concludes that RE100 goals remain largely aspirational, but attainable given a reasonable time horizon to allow for technology development, regulatory realignment and socio-economic reforms. Further, adoption of ZC100 or even ZC80 goals increases the likelihood of success, incentivising the development of next-generation nuclear and carbon capture technologies.

    Success with your self-defeating doomer attitude. We in Europe are going to eclipse and defeat you with two fingers in the nose:

    https://speedyfamily.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/twee-vingers-in-je-neus.jpg

    Now go fight the Iranians in the Gulf and make life of European politicians easy by destroying oil and gas infrastructure, enforcing measures these politicians otherwise could not push through.

    300 euro oil –> blame the Americans, its their fault, now we must take rigorous measures to increase the speed of the transition.

  17. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 7:06 am 

    Germany’s renewable energy program, Energiewende, is a big, expensive failure

    The goal of Energiewende was to make Germany independent of fossil fuels. But it hasn’t worked out. The 29,000 wind turbines and 1.6 million PV systems provide only 3.1% of Germany’s energy needs and have cost well over 100 billion Euros so far and likely another 450 billion Euros over the next two decades. And much more than that when you add in the extra cost of maintaining fossil generation systems to back up the lack of wind and sunshine from seconds to weeks.

    Because of their extremely low energy density and need for a great deal of space, forests are being cut down, pits dug, and filled with hundreds of tons of reinforced concrete for wind turbines to stand on, 5 acres per turbine. With the forest no longer protecting the soil, it is now vulnerable to wind and rain erosion.

    Because wind and solar farms get a guaranteed price for 20 years, they have no need to innovate, do research, or please customers, who paid them 176 billion euros for electricity with a market value of just 5 billion euros from 2000-2016. This is money that taxpayers could have used to build bridges, energy efficient buildings, or renovate schools, which would create even more jobs than the wind and solar industry claims so they can tout themselves as good for society, perhaps they aren’t so great when you look at other ways and jobs that could have been created with all the subsidies (Vernunftkraft 2018).

    Germany’s electricity rates have skyrocketed to the highest levels in the EU because of the Energiewende debacle.

    http://energyskeptic.com/2019/germanys-renewable-energy-program-energiewende-is-a-big-expensive-failure/?fbclid=IwAR34_eXCWUmQG2kOTo1UfDuBR9S09mwqDc-9luBT8yVdGhP9r3LefRxOIkU

    The biggest waste of money in the history of mankind..Only 3 percent of total energy…

    What a bunch of dimwits..

  18. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 7:09 am 

    Clogg

    Your time is to valuable? Are you kidding me? You spend all day everyday on a fringe doomer blog, spamming nazi propaganda..

    You are a white trash carnival barker..

    You don’t allow comments because your arguments don’t hold up to scrutiny..lol

  19. Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 7:12 am 

    Cloggmeister, sir, why do you spend so much time here on this obscure low viewership forum?

    Because I want to thoroughly study the Anglo mind… in order to eventually escape your empire and our demographic destruction. And passing the message that there is a European way out for European-Americans, those that care about their European heritage, mostly the Trump voter base, the Ann Coulters, the Richard Spencers. Davy and Sissifuss and the rest of the “natzi”-howlers can Brazilianize for all I care. Perhaps we’ll even drop by, as tourists, to make a picture of it, for good fun.

    This forum is unique in that it allows total free speech, for as long as it lasts.

    I no longer care about peak oil, like I did up until 2012. I have turned recently into a renewable energy Cornucopian. There no longer is a real fundamental energy problem. All it takes is time, investment, research, tinkering. The economic possibilities in the transition are gigantic and Europe is well-positioned to take a large piece of the pie, because we are early adopters.

    Exxon, Shell, Esso, etc. did oil in the 20th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sisters_(oil_companies)

    Likewise Europe will be at the forefront to deliver the equipment and technology for a renewable energy base in the 21st century.

    #SevenBrothers

  20. Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 7:30 am 

    “Because of their extremely low energy density”

    Only amateurs would make such a remark. Not because it is false, but because it is irrelevant.

    Yes it is true: I can harvest 1 GW power from a nuclear power station on an area of perhaps 1 km2.

    I can put perhaps 4 wind turbines of 40 MW in total on that same area and, adding a 50% capacity factor, harvest 20 MW on average or merely 2% of that nuclear power station.

    Your point?

    “Low energy density” is a fake argument. I don’t need to confine myself to 1 km2 power generation, when I have an entire country at my disposal. Or even better, the ideal wind conditions of the North Sea, Baltic and Irish Sea:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/16/the-enormous-energy-potential-of-the-north-sea/

    The North Sea alone has a potential of 1600 GW or several times the electricity needs of the entire EU, with an average electricity consumption of 300 GW.

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/07/gold-mine-north-sea/

    The real argument is not “energy density”, the real argument is price per kWh.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/renewable-energy-is-now-the-cheapest-option-even-without-subsidies/#794b21ad5a6b

    “Renewable Energy Is Now The Cheapest Option – Even Without Subsidies”

    There you go, EnergySkeptic!

    You didn’t do your homework. You just want to “prove” that Europe (and certainly Germany) is going to fail, because you no longer feel the ambition and energy inside to follow that European path. Instead you want to hold on to old patterns, because you are tired from imperial overstretch (and psssst, you are a third world country now, courtesy your Anglo-Zionist overclass).

    No worries though, in 10 years time, the European parts of balkanized North-America will be Europe’s junior again. We’ll help you out by that time:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/05/30/the-seven-brothers-europe-taking-lead-in-us-offshore/

  21. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 8:18 am 

    Clogg you spend all day here because you are a loser and spamming troll..

    Its obvious you have no formal education and haven’t done the math on renewable’s..

    You are just a delusional stupid old man who joined an extremist group of nazi’s because they are the only group would that would accept you..

    If I was you I would try to get a life..But that is a lost cause so you have to make up an imaginary future based on no data..

  22. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 8:19 am 

    Clogg

    If you love free speech so much then why don’t you allow any on your own personal blog?

    You can’t have it both ways buddy..lol

  23. Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 8:26 am 

    “Its obvious you have no formal education and haven’t done the math on renewable’s..”

    Explain.
    Debunk me.
    Love to learn.

    “You can’t have it both ways buddy..lol”

    Apparently I can. Yet another post.LOL

  24. Cloggie on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 9:29 am 

    Next week, in all likelyhood, Boris Johnson will be the new PM of Britain. Several ministers in the cabinet of PM May know they are going to be sacked and have announced that they will resign first:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7268733/David-Gauke-quit-Government-Wednesday-Boris-Johnson-wins-race-PM.html

    “‘I’m not going to be sacked because I am going to resign’: Philip Hammond reveals he’ll QUIT as Chancellor on Wednesday to join Remain rebels before Boris Johnson gets a chance to sack him”

    Hammond already has announced he will continue his opposition to no-deal Brexit and possibly will even help voting down PM Johnson.

    BoJo could be shortest-lived PM in the history of England/Britain.

    It’s going to be a lot of BBC-Newsnight-watching in the coming week.

    #BeerAndPopcorn

  25. Davy on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 11:35 am 

    “anyone can do your napkin math above you have little understanding of the holistic economic picture of a 4.5 trillion investment. Besides, going back to your comment where did you talk about 30 years but now you do to try to make your ignorant comment more realistic.” “holistic economic picture” – more empty talk.” 30 years is the time the measure of all things, that is Europe, has taken for itself to build a renewable energy base. You would be well advised to follow that example. Nobody expects to spend 4.5 trillion in a single year. If possible you want to write off your fossil fuel junk first, so you want a gradual transition.”
    Cloggo, you euros are not very far ahead of the US and behind China, WTF. You act like you are the leader and now you are stalling with the effort and your economic growth picture. Holistic economic picture you call empty talk because the concept stops you dead in your tracks. You can’t get a handle on those kind of numbers but you throw them around like it is a simple endeavor. BTW, we know from past experience a number like 4.5Trillion will double or triple overtime. The actual cost of implementing new technology on such a scale always skyrocket.

    “how does how much the US spend on energy have to do with a $4.5 trillion investment? Explain your 5.6%”. That 4.5 trillion for a US renewable energy base would ELIMINATE that annual 5.6% US energy bill, what’s so difficult to understand about that, dummy!?
    BULLSHIT cloggo, there are no free lunches. I thought you were educated in physics?? The energy bill is going to go up not down, dummy. Renewables are less dense as an energy source and will need elaborate grid and storage investments. Not only that renewables have a relatively low useful life considering 20-40 years all that vast hardware will need to be replaced.

    “there are so many cost that $4.5TRIL figure does not include.” Like what? Examples please! Are you suggesting you actually read the Scottish study? LOL”
    Cloggo, when one considers that kind of investment there will be large disruptions across the economic panorama. Do you even know what is the consideration for that $4.5TRIL figure and now you are asking me for examples???

    “The German Fraunhofer institute has calculated that if you want to decarbonize the entire economy and keep the current level of affluence, you need to double the electricity production and be able to store ca. 41% of the annual energy consumption. In other words: THAT transition would cost the US 9 trillion instead of 4.5 trillion. Smeared out over an international accepted time frame of 30 years, that would amount to 1.5% of 30 years US GDP.”
    Cloggo, you are not considering all the activities that are currently being done still need to be done. In 30 years your renewable base is needing replacement which boosts that cost up also. You are oblivious to the concept of cost and investments too. Investment requires a return and there is a crowding out effect. Investment capital that is in short supply will be taken from other sectors.

    “Again: the annual energy budget (that would evaporate) is currently at 5.6% GDP.”
    EVAPORATE ????WTF

    “As the study admits: Price tag may not be the highest hurdle to overcome Challenges: entire industries and their vested interests need to die. Oil and gas-industry will resist. Europe in this respect is psychologically light-years ahead of the US, that simply can’t abandon its old oil success formula.”
    Come on cloggo, the biggest obstacle is human behavior of techno optimist like you that are delusional on the concept of living the affluent status quo but on renewable power. That is clearly not going to happen considering the challenges of lower net energy and higher complexity. Humans need to radically alter their way of doing things if they want to go 100% renewables and populations must drop

    “Wood Mackenzie concludes that RE100 goals remain largely aspirational, but attainable given a reasonable time horizon to allow for technology development, regulatory realignment and socio-economic reforms.”
    Fancy talk for a “likely not going to happen”

    “ Further, adoption of ZC100 or even ZC80 goals increases the likelihood of success, incentivising the development of next-generation nuclear and carbon capture technologies. Success with your self-defeating doomer attitude. We in Europe are going to eclipse and defeat you with two fingers in the nose:”
    Blah blah blah talk that means nothing. We constantly hear this grandiose talk that amounts to little or nothing

    “Now go fight the Iranians in the Gulf and make life of European politicians easy by destroying oil and gas infrastructure, enforcing measures these politicians otherwise could not push through. 300 euro oil –> blame the Americans, its their fault, now we must take rigorous measures to increase the speed of the transition.”
    BTW, if that place goes up in flames kiss your renewable fantasy future goodbye for sure.

  26. Davy on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 11:43 am 

    “why do you spend so much time here on this obscure low viewership forum?” “Because I want to thoroughly study the Anglo mind… in order to eventually escape your empire and our demographic destruction.”
    Who are you to matter? You are reaching a handful of people and very few of them give a shit about your Natzi talk and fantasy techno optimism. You are spending so much time on irrelevance because you have nowhere else to go to spam.

    “ And passing the message that there is a European way out for European-Americans, those that care about their European heritage, mostly the Trump voter base, the Ann Coulters, the Richard Spencers. Davy and Sissifuss and the rest of the “natzi”-howlers can Brazilianize for all I care. Perhaps we’ll even drop by, as tourists, to make a picture of it, for good fun.”
    You have no clue about life here. You are self absorbed in what you want to think is the life of an American. You are a fraud cloggo.

    “This forum is unique in that it allows total free speech, for as long as it lasts.”
    AH, yea, It allows mental cases to flourish that’s for sure. BTW, where is the dumbass Juanpee these days? What about the rabid anti-American, makato. Good riddance!

    “I no longer care about peak oil, like I did up until 2012. I have turned recently into a renewable energy Cornucopian. There no longer is a real fundamental energy problem. All it takes is time, investment, research, tinkering. The economic possibilities in the transition are gigantic and Europe is well-positioned to take a large piece of the pie, because we are early adopters.”
    Peak oil is alive and well and renewables will likely never penetrate the over 60% of primary power on a continental scale. We will see some Danish examples but those dwell in the context of other sources of power. You are a unicorn hunter, cloggo.

    “Likewise Europe will be at the forefront to deliver the equipment and technology for a renewable energy base in the 21st century.”
    China and the US are right there with the euros, cloggo, you are so dishonest.

  27. Davy on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 12:29 pm 

    BTW cloggo, obviously I really give a shit about what you write here, because I can’t stop myself from being obsessed with it. Your really upsetting my feelings cloggo.

  28. ID theft on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 2:12 pm 

    Davy on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 12:29 pm

  29. Davy on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 2:46 pm 

    IMA, nobody gives a shit more about what other people write on this lame and obscure forum then I do, and I can’t do a damn thing about it. That makes me even more angry of a person than I usually am.

  30. ID theft on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 3:26 pm 

    Davy on Sun, 21st Jul 2019 2:46 pm

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