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Biden may cancel Keystone XL pipeline permit as soon as his first day in office
U.S. President-elect Joe Biden is planning to cancel the permit for the $9 billion Keystone XL pipeline project as one of his first acts in office, and perhaps as soon as his first day, according to a source familiar with his thinking.
President Donald Trump, a Republican, had made building the pipeline a central promise of his presidential campaign. Biden, who will be inaugurated on Wednesday, was vice president in the Obama administration when it rejected the project as contrary to its efforts to combat climate change.
The words “Rescind Keystone XL pipeline permit” appear on a list of executive actions likely scheduled for the first day of Biden’s presidency, according to an earlier report bit.ly/3nP4993 by the Canadian Broadcasting Corp (CBC).
Biden, a Democrat, had earlier vowed to scrap the oil pipeline’s presidential permit if he became president.
The Keystone XL pipeline is operated by TC Energy Corp. The company did not offer immediate comment when contacted by Reuters. A representative for Biden’s team did not respond to a request for comment.
Canada’s ambassador to the United States said she would continue to promote a project that she said fit with both countries’ environmental plans. “There is no better partner for the U.S. on climate action than Canada as we work together for green transition,” Ambassador Kirsten Hillman said in a statement.
The project, which would move oil from the province of Alberta to Nebraska, had been slowed by legal issues in the United States.
It also faced opposition from environmentalists seeking to check the expansion of Canada’s oil sands by opposing new pipelines to move its crude to refineries.
Alberta Premier Jason Kenney said on Twitter he was “deeply concerned” by the report, adding that canceling the presidential permit for the pipeline would kill jobs “on both sides of the border,” weaken U.S.-Canada relations and undermine American national security by making the United States more dependent on OPEC oil imports.
Should Biden’s administration block the Keystone XL pipeline permit, Alberta will work with TC to pursue all legal avenues available, Kenney said on Twitter.
The Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday that TC planned to announce a series of overhauls, including a pledge to use only renewable energy, in a bid to win Biden’s support for the project.
A company spokesman cited by the Journal said Keystone would announce the measures this week.
Construction is well under way in Canada, with the international border crossing complete. In the United States, TC has started construction on pump stations in each of the states the line will pass through, but legal setbacks cost it much of the 2020 construction season.
Former Democratic President Barack Obama axed the project in 2015, saying Canada would reap most of the economic benefits, while the project would add to greenhouse gas emissions.
Trump issued a presidential permit in 2017 that allowed the line to move forward, and several environmental groups sued the U.S. government.
29 Comments on "Biden may cancel Keystone XL pipeline permit as soon as his first day in office"
Duncan Idaho on Mon, 18th Jan 2021 10:48 am
“It was astonishing to watch George W. Bush and Dick Cheney be treated as elder statesmen during Donald Trump’s attempted coup d’état considering the fact that they did the same thing in 2000 — and it worked.”
And stop Keystone XL
Gaia on Mon, 18th Jan 2021 1:05 pm
Nationalists are my heroes. Globalists are traitors.
DT on Mon, 18th Jan 2021 1:45 pm
If this Keystone pipeline is being canceled the only reason is that the pipeline has been found to be unneeded and or unprofitable.
Theedrich on Mon, 18th Jan 2021 6:40 pm
Some hyperventilators have mentioned civil war. Sorry. No such luck. The name “Tony Bobulinski” has already been dropped down the memory hole. Likewise Hunter Biden’s laptop. Not to mention all of the bribes to Biden from China, Ukraine, Russia, and countless other locales, as well as what Frank, James and Valerie Biden have scooped up from their familial associations with The Big Guy.
We also now see that John Burnham is actually an anti-Trumper who has delayed his forever-expected “report” on Democrat malfeasance until TBG could become prez and send the incriminating evidence down the same commode.
It’s so reassuring to know that the mainstream media are on the same page as the Swamp snakes.
Anonymouse on Mon, 18th Jan 2021 7:12 pm
‘President’ bidding has no real authority to cancel XL. Oh, on paper, as the theotitical ‘leader’ of the jewmerickan empire he might have some thin legal grounds to do such a thing, but in pactice, no. Corporations rule the uS not ‘elected’ polyticans and If XL does get cancelled, it will because the Conjob-19 plandemic has put such a dent in demand, that the contreverisal projects not-quite-oil simply will no be needed.
If this turns out to be the case, and it likely is with increaseingly draconian moves by governments on both sides of the border to restrict peoples(oil powered) movements, then the ‘president’ will likely be tapped to let the onwers of the project off the hook in a face-saving gesture by letting him ‘cancel’ XL for them.
Aftwards, they will probably be quietly compensated through various channels for their lost billions by taxpayers, again, on both sides of the border whether the taxpayers in question know about, or approve or not.
Cloggie on Tue, 19th Jan 2021 1:10 am
Keystone XL is something to be buried for ever.
https://www.wattisduurzaam.nl/32275/energie-opwekken/waterkracht/daadwerkelijk-groene-waterstof-met-88-mw-elektrolyser-in-canada/
The German company ThyssenKrupp is building an 88 (sic) MW electrolyser in Quebec, an absolute world record. The Canadians are coughing up the money and hydro-power to operate the thing. The hydrogen will be used for the local transport sector in Königsberg, er… Montreal.
Scheduled operational date: 2023.
Les Québécois consume an obscene 21 MWh/capita/year electricity, for 99% from renewable sources and 95% hydro, running circles around Americans and their 12 MWh, not to mention the Germans and their meager 6 MWh.
DT on Tue, 19th Jan 2021 7:20 am
Yea that’s it hydrogen to the rescue. https://olduvai.ca/?p=56439
Cloggie on Tue, 19th Jan 2021 7:33 am
“Yea that’s it hydrogen to the rescue. https://olduvai.ca/?p=56439”
Another one-liner sneer.
Could you please frame in your own words and a few sentences your main argument why hydrogen won’t function as a seasonal storage means?
Thanks.
DT on Tue, 19th Jan 2021 7:38 am
In my own words, “read the posted article”.
Cloggie on Tue, 19th Jan 2021 8:15 am
“In my own words, “read the posted article”.”
Thought so, you are too mentally underprivileged to understand the articles behind the links you are mindlessly dumping at this board, no doubt the result of some googling. If you would have actually read the article (which you haven’t) you would (perhaps) have understood that this article is absolutely NOT an article against hydrogen. It only has issues with the timing:
In short, hydrogen is not a good idea for the world of today. We need first to build up a real renewable infrastructure to produce energy. Only after that’s accomplished, we could think of the luxury of using hydrogen to power cars and planes. For the time being, limited numbers of battery-powered vehicles, the concept of “smart grid,” and higher efficiency in every field, are the best way to go. We must move in that direction as soon as possible, without waiting for a pie in the sky that might never be within our reach.
He is wrong btw. Countries like Denmark and Germany are so far advanced on the renewable energy path, with their 50+% renewable electricity, that they no longer can afford to postpone the storage issue. That is why the German government is subsidizing the hydrogen sector with billions, in the safe assumption that Germany will be a major supplier of electrolysers in the future and earn back their billions of hydrogen investment.
The author Ugo Bardi is a keen supporter of the renewable energy transition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugo_Bardi
Bardi is a researcher on materials for new energy sources, a contributor to the now-defunct website, “The Oil Drum”. He is the president of ASPO Italy, a member of the scientific committee of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas [it] (ASPO)[3] and author of several books, including The Limits to Growth Revisited.
Try again.
DT on Tue, 19th Jan 2021 12:06 pm
“That is why the German government is subsidizing the hydrogen sector with billions,”. So we can count on Billions in subsidies to get this Hydrogen energy scheme off the ground? Then what? Once the Government billions are all spent humans can count on a Hydrogen energy future? How many Billions do we need to collectively invest over how many years? When will we see a net energy gain by introducing billions in subsidies for a hydrogen powered future? It is nothing new for Germany to subsidize hydrogen by the way. Do you read history and what happened to the hydrogen industry when it was thought a great idea to float airships with hydrogen?
Cloggie on Tue, 19th Jan 2021 12:40 pm
“So we can count on Billions in subsidies to get this Hydrogen energy scheme off the ground?”
“Then what?”
Then Germany has a new valuable industry, and you don’t. Duh. Go talk withe Danes what it means to own Vestas, the #1 wind turbine producer in the world.
“Once the Government billions are all spent humans can count on a Hydrogen energy future?”
Yes.
“How many Billions do we need to collectively invest over how many years?”
Something like 10 billion, peanuts in terms of to be expected gains:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/06/12/germany-embraces-the-hydrogen-economy/
“When will we see a net energy gain by introducing billions in subsidies for a hydrogen powered future?”
Anybody’s guess. Will probably take a decade or so to mature. It is not an entirely new industry, now is it?
“It is nothing new for Germany to subsidize hydrogen by the way. Do you read history and what happened to the hydrogen industry when it was thought a great idea to float airships with hydrogen?”
Silly argument. We are not talking about reinventing airships. There are many safe ways to store hydrogen, chemically stable and safe. Like this:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2020/11/12/borohydride-as-the-solution-to-the-hydrogen-storage-problem/
makati1 on Tue, 19th Jan 2021 4:24 pm
Hydrogen is another greenie pile of bullshit. Hydrogen is a net loss of energy as it is not found in quantity in nature and must be produced from a hydrocarbon. What is the net loss? Significant, I bet.
Amazing what gullible, not thinking serfs will believe if told the shit is ambrosia often enough. But, they will believe until it is obviously a lie. The “Age of Hydrocarbons” is dying and there will be no “Renewables Age” to follow.
Do the math! Oops! I forgot. Most Westerners are math challenged. They are also lacking the ability to think independent of their brainwashing. Do they still teach physics in school? I remember my 12th grade physics class and how we were taught to think thru a system or process. Also had a basic chem class in 11th grade. Biology in 10th grade. I have a good idea how the world operates. Do you?
Duncan Idaho on Tue, 19th Jan 2021 7:09 pm
At noon on Jan 20, 2021 Donald J. Trump will be just another soulless asshole fading into history.
Cloggie on Wed, 20th Jan 2021 12:46 am
“Hydrogen is another greenie pile of bullshit. Hydrogen is a net loss of energy as it is not found in quantity in nature and must be produced from a hydrocarbon. What is the net loss? Significant, I bet.”
If you talk about hydrogen as a “net loss”, it is obvious that you are completely oblivious about the purpose of hydrogen, which is:
STORAGE
Every storage comes with a “net loss”. Batteries, pumped hydro, biomass, CAES, seasonal heat storage and hydrogen, ALL come with a “net loss”. That is not an argument against storage. Storage is necessary if you want to keep energy-on-demand, like we still have now. Storage is necessary if you switch to high intermittent renewable energy supply, intermittent on a 24h time frame (solar) or seasonal (wind and solar). As a rule of thumb, you need to be able to store ca. 41% of your overall annual energy consumption, in order to guarantee smooth supply 24/7/365.
“Amazing what gullible, not thinking serfs will believe if told the shit is ambrosia often enough. But, they will believe until it is obviously a lie. The “Age of Hydrocarbons” is dying and there will be no “Renewables Age” to follow.”
Using words like BS, “lie” is just hyperventilating, not an argument. What is your proof that “renewables” won’t work. It is just another shallow American opinion.
“Do the math! Oops! I forgot. Most Westerners are math challenged.”
That certainly includes you. Why don’t YOU do the math?
“I have a good idea how the world operates.”
When it comes to science and technology, you don’t. Europe, China and Japan are miles ahead of you. You guys are stuck in oil, the secret behind your smashing geopolitical success in the 20th century. But oil and the 20th century are over and as a consequence so are you and your empire.
No worries, we’ll teach you renewable energy after you will be our juniors again and the natural order between Mother Civilization and colonial offshoot is restored. America was a mistake.
Duncan Idaho on Wed, 20th Jan 2021 10:26 am
Hint:
Trump will leave office with an approval rating of 34%, dismal by any measure. He is the first president since Gallup began polling never to break 50% approval.
Duncan Idaho on Wed, 20th Jan 2021 10:37 am
KKK/Evangelical “Pro-Life” Double-Impeached Mobster/Serial-Earth-Killer Flees Town
yep
This twice-impeached viral dung heap needs to get his fat ass out of here.
DT on Wed, 20th Jan 2021 10:41 am
Cloggie I have done the math and Hydrogen, except for experimental implementation, is nowhere to be seen in use at scale. The math says that there is no place on planet earth that the average joe can buy and fuel a hydrogen car for private use. So the math comes out to ZERO.
Cloggie on Wed, 20th Jan 2021 11:31 am
“The math says that there is no place on planet earth that the average joe can buy and fuel a hydrogen car for private use.”
Show me the math, you can’t, you’re bluffing.
For the rest, I couldn’t care less about average joe’s mobility. I’m against private car ownership. There is no carrying capacity for 1 billion or more cars.
Use Skype, the cloud, the internet, like you just did.
DT on Wed, 20th Jan 2021 11:45 am
Zero at scale availability of hydrogen plus zero use of said unavailable hydrogen equals………wait for it……..0000000000
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Jan 2021 3:09 am
“Zero at scale availability of hydrogen plus zero use of said unavailable hydrogen equals………wait for it……..0000000000”
That’s impressive DT, your “math”.
Seriously, in reality a sentence, purposely devoid of meaning, intended to obfuscate.
Back to the real hydrogen world:
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2021/01/21/siemens-gamesa-venturing-big-into-offshore-hydrogen/
“Siemens-Gamesa Venturing Big into Offshore Hydrogen”
DT on Thu, 21st Jan 2021 7:39 am
Cloggie, Nice cartoon video of something that does not exist. So here is some more math. One cartoon of a non existent energy system plus enough gullible investors spending millions, sometime in the future, equals zero energy produced at this time for practical use.
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Jan 2021 8:01 am
“Nice cartoon video of something that does not exist.”
What doesn’t exist?
Hydrogen production from electrolysis?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnmq1lLAhoE
They had large-scale electrolysis as early as 1919 in Norway, to the tune of 167 MW!
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/01/14/largest-hydrogen-electrolyser-plant-in-the-world-135-167-mw/
Currently, they are at a meager 10 MW (Shell-Germany).
But projects everywhere in Europe are underway, like 24 MW (Linde-ITM), 40 MW (Engie-Total) and 88 MW (ThyssenKrupp-Hydro Quebec).
Won’t be long, and they will build 1 GW electrolysers, probably before 2030.
DT on Thu, 21st Jan 2021 8:15 am
“Won’t be long, and they will build 1 GW electrolysers, probably before 2030.” Just like fusion energy the hydrogen projects are always 10 years off in the future. Again, Zero hydrogen being produced and put on the market at this time equals zero hydrogen being put to practical use for consumers.
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Jan 2021 10:01 am
“Won’t be long, and they will build 1 GW electrolysers, probably before 2030.” Just like fusion energy the hydrogen projects are always 10 years off in the future. Again, Zero hydrogen being produced and put on the market at this time equals zero hydrogen being put to practical use for consumers.
You don’t WANT to get it, now do you, that green hydrogen from electrolysis is already being produced at 10 MW at a time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnmq1lLAhoE
If you put 100 of these existing 10 MW electrolysers in parallel, you have your 1 GW. No further R&D required. You can’t compare this with fusion, that in the best case works for a few seconds, with negative energy harvest.
The reason why they don’t put 100 x 10 MW = 1 Gw in one big box YET, is because that would be a little too expensive. But like with solar cells and wind turbines and computer storage… if you research long enough with sufficient people, you can be sure that prices WILL come down.
ITM is currently working on an 100 MW electrolyser, almost 4 years ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eku0GuSKiIc&t=14s
Here is a working smaller installation in the Netherlands, complete with solar input:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjkD1raVv-M
DT on Thu, 21st Jan 2021 11:41 am
Nice examples cloggie of an experimental system. That does not exist at scale. Neither is any of this being implemented on any kind of wide spread level that could ever replace the current infrastructure that runs industrial civilization. Lets also not forget that all of this so called green hydrogen is built on the back of a FF based industry. All of the heavy duty equipment, roads, plastics, steel, copper, rare earth metals and the list goes on and on, only are available because of burning FF’s. Hydrogen power is a dog and pony show that can never do what FF’s do for human industry. Good luck in your fantasy world.
Cloggie on Thu, 21st Jan 2021 11:55 am
“Nice examples cloggie of an experimental system.”
They are not experimental, but production facilities.
“That does not exist at scale.”
5 years ago, 15 MW wind turbines didn’t exist, now they do. It’s called evolution. It is absurd to assume that if something doesn’t exist today, that it won’t exist tomorrow either.
But I have observed for a long time here that from North-America no innovation is to be expected in the field of renewable energy. You’re stuck in oil and want to stay there. Fortunately, we in Europe have no oil. And that forces us to innovate and will give us a head start in the most crucial industrial field of them all, energy, that is strongly connected to geopolitical status.
So please, keep believing that it won’t work and put yourself at a distance. I’m all for it.
DT on Thu, 21st Jan 2021 12:14 pm
Wind,solar,hydrogen,hydro the entire lot all only exist because of a FF based industry. None will exist on their own without a FF based industry. The current generation of so called renewable energy schemes are not replicating the next generation based solely on the energy produced by the current generation. Your fantasy world only exists because of industrial civilization burning FF’s.
Peter on Sun, 24th Jan 2021 12:50 pm
We will have no oil left if we keep this up. When will people understand the LIMITS to growth. We are already living in difficult times. The cost of living is going up as is unemployment and poverty.