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America doesn’t win wars anymore

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A month into his presidency, Donald Trump lamented that the US no longer wins wars as it once did.

“When I was young, in high school and college, everybody used to say we never lost a war,” Trump told a group of US governors last February. “Now, we never win a war.”

Dominic Tierney, a professor at Swarthmore College and the author of multiple books about how America wages war, may know the reason why.

He believes the US can still successfully fight the wars of yesteryear — World War-style conflicts — but hasn’t yet mastered how to win wars against insurgents, which are smaller fights against groups within countries. The problem is the US continues to involve itself in those kinds of fights.

“We’re still stuck in this view that war is like the Super Bowl: We meet on the field, both sides have uniforms, we score points, someone wins, and when the game ends you go home,” he told me. “That’s not what war is like now.”

The US military is currently mired in conflicts in countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen. It’s hard to see any end in sight — especially an end where the United States is the victor, however that’s defined.

A lightly edited transcript of our conversation follows.

Alex Ward

During his first year in office, Trump got the US more deeply involved in wars, with the goal of defeating terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Somalia. But has this put the US on course to end these fights?

Dominic Tierney

Victory may be asking a lot.

Since 1945, the United States has very rarely achieved meaningful victory. The United States has fought five major wars — Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Iraq, Afghanistan — and only the Gulf War in 1991 can really be classified as a clear success.

There are reasons for that, primarily the shift in the nature of war to civil conflicts, where the United States has struggled. Trump himself recognized this: He said on the campaign trail numerous times that we used to win wars and we don’t win anymore. And he has promised to turn the page on this era of defeat and said that we were going to get sick and tired of winning.

But will he channel that observation into winning wars? I doubt it.

The nature of war continues to be these difficult internal conflicts in places like Afghanistan, where the United States has struggled long before Trump ever dreamed of running for president.

Alex Ward

So what constitutes victory in war today, and has that changed from the past?

Dominic Tierney

The famous war theorist Carl von Clausewitz argued that war is the continuation of politics by other means. So war is not just about blowing things up — it’s about achieving political goals.

The United States, up until 1945, won virtually all the major wars that it fought. The reason is those wars were overwhelmingly wars between countries. The US has always been very good at that.

But that kind of war has become the exception. If you look around the world today, about 90 percent of wars are civil wars. These are complex insurgencies, sometimes involving different rebel groups, where the government faces a crisis of legitimacy.

The US has found, for various reasons, that it’s far more difficult to achieve its goals in these cases. The three longest wars in US history are Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan — all from recent decades, all these complex types of civil wars.

Alex Ward

On its face, this seems to be a paradox: The US can win on the battlefield against a major military force, but we can’t seem to win these smaller wars.

Dominic Tierney

Yes. And even more surprising: It’s when the US became a superpower and created the best-trained, strongest military the world has ever seen, around 1945, that the US stopped winning wars.

The answer to the puzzle is that American power turned out to be a double-edged sword.

The US was so powerful after World War II, especially after the Soviet Union disappeared, that Washington was tempted to intervene in distant conflicts around the world in places like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

We ended up intervening in countries where we had little cultural understanding. To illustrate this, in 2006 — at the height of the Iraq War — there were 1,000 officials in the US embassy in Baghdad, but only six of them spoke Arabic.

In addition, the US military has failed to adapt to this new era of war. The US military has this playbook for success against countries: technology, big-unit warfare, and so on. And when we started fighting insurgents, it was natural that we would turn to that same playbook.

Alex Ward

So we might not have much cultural understanding of the places where we’re fighting, but we have greater technology and better fighting forces. Why can’t we overcome this obstacle?

Dominic Tierney

The reason, again, comes down to the difference between an interstate [more traditional] war and a counterinsurgency, or nation-building mission.

One difference is that we cannot easily see the enemy. In an interstate war, the enemy is wearing uniforms, we know where they are on a map. In a counterinsurgency they are hiding in the population.

Now, the US military is capable of hitting any target with pinpoint accuracy using the latest hardware. But what if we don’t know where the enemy is? A lot of that technology, which is really impressive, turns out to be irrelevant.

Alex Ward

It seems like we have two problems here. We haven’t corrected our way of thinking to deal with insurgencies or civil wars, and then we keep getting involved in those kinds of wars, despite the fact that we’re ill-prepared to deal with them.

Why do we keep falling into this trap?

Dominic Tierney

One answer is we basically believe in illusions — the idea that nation-building and counterinsurgency will be avoided.

Look at Iraq, where the United States believed it could topple Saddam Hussein and basically leave as quickly as possible. We would overthrow the tyrant and then the Iraqi people would be free to create their own democracy. That was based on massive overconfidence about what would happen after Hussein fell.

So why do we go to war if we hate counterinsurgency and we struggle at it? The reason is the White House convinces itself it doesn’t need to stabilize or help rebuild a country after a war. But it’s not just the Bush administration — think of the Obama administration too.

Barack Obama was a very thoughtful president and talked at length about his foreign policy thinking. At the heart of the Obama doctrine was “no more Iraq War.” And yet he basically made the same mistake in Libya, where there was very little planning for what would occur after Muammar Qaddafi was overthrown in 2011. In fact, Obama went on the record saying that the Libya intervention was his worst mistake a president.

Alex Ward

So if it really is a bunch of wishful illusions and incorrect assumptions, how do we avoid that? We have tons of evidence that things don’t go our way when we get involved in these kinds of wars. We don’t seem to learn from our mistakes.

Dominic Tierney

We don’t learn very well from history. Presidents convince themselves that the next time will be different.

The lesson Obama took from Iraq was not to allow any US ground forces to get involved in nation-building. Since Obama was willing to support regime change, the end result was going to be the overthrow of Qaddafi with no real plan to stabilize Libya.

If a thoughtful president like Obama — who was very cognizant of the errors of Iraq — can do that, it suggests that any president would be capable of doing that.

Alex Ward

It seems like one of the problems is that we’re involving ourselves in these wars with little preparation. How do we solve that?

Dominic Tierney

We need better language training, cultural training, more resources for special forces — and that would mean less money spent on nuclear attack submarines, for example.

Second, once we improve America’s ability for stabilization missions, we deploy the US military with greater care and fight fewer wars. That means when we do fight, we have a better plan to win the peace.

Alex Ward

But then there’s another problem: Sometimes groups like ISIS arise, and US leaders and many Americans want the military to take them out. So when the president is faced with the option to target a group like ISIS with airpower, some would argue that it’s better, politically, to do that.

Dominic Tierney

The US doesn’t think several moves ahead. The US military is good at taking out bad guys. But the removal of the bad guy creates a power vacuum, and that power vacuum is filled by somebody else.

In Afghanistan, we created disorder and then the Taliban returned — the power vacuum there was also filled by ISIS. And in Iraq, the vacuum was filled by militant groups, most notably al-Qaeda in Iraq. In Libya, the vacuum was filled by a complicated range of militant groups.

The mood in the US is: “We just killed ISIS, let’s go home and close the book on the ISIS war.” Well, there’s more to the story.

Alex Ward

The Trump administration says it will pay less attention to defeating terrorists and will now focus more on battling back growing Chinese and Russian power.

That new strategic focus means we’ll change the kinds of weapons we buy and the kind of training our troops do. But I don’t see the US stopping its fight against terrorism. Does this preparation for a different style of war — while still fighting another — put the US in an awkward position?

Dominic Tierney

I think it does.

There is a desire to shift from difficult nation-building missions toward countering great-power challengers like Russia and especially China. But this isn’t very new. The Obama administration wanted to pivot to Asia and the China challenge. And then what happened? We ended up being engaged against ISIS.

I tend to think that the pivot to China is sort of like Waiting for Godot — it never arrives. And I think the United States is going to get drawn back into these civil wars and these kinds of messy conflicts, particularly in the broader Middle East. The odds of conflict between the US and China are very low; the odds of the US engaging in another civil war in the next five years are extremely high.

Alex Ward

Based on this conversation, victory in war seems to be how we define it, or, rather, will it to be. The US sets its victory goals low, but we don’t even meet those lower goals. Why can’t we get over this hump?

Dominic Tierney

We’re still stuck in this view that war is like the Super Bowl: We meet on the field, both sides have uniforms, we score points, someone wins, and when the game ends you go home. That’s not what war is like now. Now there are tons of civilians on the field, the enemy team doesn’t wear a uniform, and the game never ends. We need to know there’s no neat ending.

The costs of this problem have been so catastrophic for the United States, in the form of thousands of military lives and billions of dollars spent. It’s time we fundamentally rethink our vision of what war is.

VOX



363 Comments on "America doesn’t win wars anymore"

  1. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 5:48 am 

    The Future is Latino !

    EMBRACE IT

  2. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 6:00 am 

    German churches lose 430,000 Catholic and Protestant members in 2018

    https://www.dw.com/en/german-churches-lose-430000-catholic-and-protestant-members-in-2018/a-49649698

    the right is imploding!!!

  3. Davy on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 6:43 am 

    Here you go folks. The behavior that everyone has complained about starts yet again by juanpee. This is not my post. My ID is being taken:

    I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 6:00 am

    German churches lose 430,000 Catholic and Protestant members in 2018

    https://www.dw.com/en/german-churches-lose-430000-catholic-and-protestant-members-in-2018/a-49649698

    the right is imploding!!!

  4. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:29 am 

    Behold the genius of the far right!

    ‘Poop Every Other Day’: Brazil President’s Solution for a Cleaner Planet
    https://www.news18.com/news/world/poop-every-other-day-brazils-presidents-solution-for-a-cleaner-planet-2265405.html

  5. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:31 am 

    Gordon Brown: Union of UK is ‘sleepwalking into oblivion’ amid nationalism

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49309113

    That is the goal of the far right! To destroy western civilized society to bring on their doomsday fantasies!

  6. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:36 am 

    clogg

    know your enemy

    https://i.redd.it/7tsv285f6tf31.jpg

    do you really want to go to war with these people?

  7. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:37 am 

    The victim stated that the three were “really getting off” on sodomizing her both vaginally and anally at the same time with two guns.

  8. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:38 am 

    Guess she’s a sore winner too?

    HAHAHA

  9. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 8:00 am 

    ‘We Are Being Eaten From Within.’ Why America Is Losing the Battle Against White Nationalist Terrorism

    https://time.com/5647304/white-nationalist-terrorism-united-states/?fbclid=IwAR0ALOvfLwZfgbhc-S0XNCLS4EJl2khK6UIfbRmDe_r-M9bmFFueLllo5D8

  10. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 8:13 am 

    Juan, I think you need to move on we don’t need your mindless distractions. Most of us have messages but you are just a troll

  11. Cloggie on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 8:44 am 

    clogg
    know your enemy
    https://i.redd.it/7tsv285f6tf31.jpg
    do you really want to go to war with these people?

    Sure, why not.

    Anonymouse’ kinda people have machetes, we have machine guns and nukes.

    The devil is in te detail.

  12. Cloggie on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 8:52 am 

    “‘We Are Being Eaten From Within.’ Why America Is Losing the Battle Against White Nationalist Terrorism”

    Huh? So you are admitting you are losing!

    I explain it to you wunce again, this time slowly.
    The entire world wants to live in white lands.
    Since 2016, as the last people on earth, white Americans want that too!
    We Europeans can only congratulate said white Americans with their choice, albeit taken a bit late. Americans can be a little slow at times.

    Now what?

    “Poof!”, sez the republic.

    #Timber!

  13. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 9:04 am 

    Anti-ICE protesters partially shut down NYC’s West Side Highway, tweets show

    https://abc7ny.com/politics/anti-ice-protesters-partially-shut-down-west-side-highway/5458286/

  14. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 10:39 am 

    WHAT RACE WOULD U NOT DATE & WHY?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbb-l74vNT8

    HAHA!

  15. Cloggie on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 12:37 pm 

    “Gordon Brown: Union of UK is ‘sleepwalking into oblivion’ amid nationalism”

    The Anglos are falling apart, both in the UK and USA. And then there is Canada:

    https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2019/07/canadas-genocide-goldilocks-family.html

    That’s OK, the Eurasians are comfortable with that development. We only have to pick up the white-nationalist pieces after the break.

    And an important point to remember: without Anglos, no Anglo-Zionism!

    But floppy is too stupid to realize that. That’s OK. Our wannabee board-Epstein has one fate anyway:

    https://www.amazon.com/Day-Rope-Book-One/dp/B07VMBVFFT/ref=sr_1_3

  16. Cloggie on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 12:50 pm 

    WHAT RACE WOULD U NOT DATE & WHY?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbb-l74vNT8

    HAHA!

    We in Eurasia love these kind of videos! Keep ’em coming. The melting pot is about to boil over, if not explode! Everybody is a racist after all, even in America.

    The liberation of Europe from its 1945 overlord is immanent.

    Board hero James Howard Kunstler thinks that America is going to fall apart in 8 pieces (USSR-1991 15 pieces), see map:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07/jim-quinn/world-made-hand/

    I in contrast bet on 6 pieces:

    – SW back to Mexico, restoring 1820 borders
    – White nationalist Heartland
    – Black nationalist state with Atlanta as capital
    – Libtard mixed race Greater Baltimore
    – Kosher republic Upstate New York (incl all Israelis)
    – English dominion New England

    So floppy, how many pieces do YOU think will emergy from the ZOG-ruble? You are after all the self-chosenite high-IQ MASTURMIND here. Your opinion matters.

    All ears.

  17. Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 1:24 pm 

    Radical Feminist Raves: “We Need To Kill All Men”
    Somebody must’ve not been paying attention in biology class.A rant from feminist YouTube star named Jenny McDermott has gone viral on Twitter over the past few days. In it, McDermott tells her audience that, to create the ideal conditions for the survival of the human race, we must kill all men and male babies.
    “We need to kill all men. I am sick of being a baby factory that produces more men who will in the future subjugate me. The solution to that is to kill any man that you see in the streets just any swinging dick. We want the species to go on but we only want it to go on with women in it.”
    Don’t believe us? Here’s the clip. And (at least as far as we can tell) it’s not a deep fake.

    Need 2 Know: North Korea Missiles, Massive Ice Melt

    ℳεℓ
    @mel_faith1
    This is the unhinged feminist youtuber Jenny McDermott. She says the only way to stop men from subjugating her – k!ll them all at birth. “We need to k!ll all men” she says

    I say…please don’t

    Lol how can ANYONE like this be taken SERIOUSLY #LiberalismIsAMentalDisorder
    Embedded video

    2,273
    8:27 AM – Aug 9, 2019
    Twitter Ads info and privacy

    4,782 people are talking about this

    If McDermott wants to live in a world with no men, she should try moving to this remote polish town of Miejsce Odrzanskie, where, by some fluke of fate, there hasn’t been a man born in nearly a decade, according to the New York Times.
    Now, we know the media’s focus lately has been on the angry ‘incel’ men who have perpetrated several high profile mass shootings over the past few years. And though some might cry ‘false equivalence’, there is an equally depraved, equally violent contingent of the feminist movement that doesn’t just want to push men to change their behavior – it wants to get rid of all men.
    There’s only one problem: How will they continue the species with only women after the great male holocaust has been completed?

  18. Cloggie on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 2:15 pm 

    Britain’s best brain expresses again his despair with the countries immanent self-amputation:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7346315/Remain-ringleader-Michael-Heseltine-brands-No-Deal-Brexit-grotesque-act-national-self-harm.html

    “Remain ringleader Lord Heseltine calls No-Deal Brexit a ‘grotesque act of national self harm’ and brands Dominic Cummings a ‘revolutionary menace’ as rebels plot to thwart Boris Johnson’s plans to exit EU”

  19. Cloggie on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 2:30 pm 

    Let’s blame the wind, not fragile UK infrastructure:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344987/Political-analyst-RICHARD-NORTH-power-cut-sent-Britain-meltdown.html

    “We’re like Venezuela – next time the lights could be out for weeks: Political analyst RICHARD NORTH on the power cut that sent Britain in meltdown”

    Several countries, like Germany, have higher renewable electricity penetration, but perfectly stable grids, without blackouts.

    The DM is barking against the wrong tree.

  20. JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 2:38 pm 

    “Several countries, like Germany, have higher renewable electricity penetration, but perfectly stable grids, without blackouts.“

    That’s not true clog, Germany’s grid is destabilizing and that is a well known fact

  21. More Davy ID Theft on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 2:58 pm 

    JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 2:38 pm

  22. More Davy ID Theft on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:01 pm 

    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 1:24 pm

  23. Davy on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:02 pm 

    Oops, sorry everyone. I forgot the link again.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-10/radical-feminist-raves-we-need-kill-all-men

  24. JuanP ID theft on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:11 pm 

    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 1:24 pm

  25. JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:15 pm 

    “German grid extremely stabil”

    Sure they will say that clog, their job depends on it. Germany’s grid is a mess.

  26. Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:16 pm 

    Oops, sorry everyone. I forgot the link again.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-10/radical-feminist-raves-we-need-kill-all-men

  27. JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:16 pm 

    Oops, sorry everyone. I forgot the link again.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-10/radical-feminist-raves-we-need-kill-all-men

  28. Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:18 pm 

    I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of material. I have enjoyed moderating the worst of you and neutering your selfish useless agendas.

  29. Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:19 pm 

    Oops, sorry for getting all triggered and losing my shit again everyone.

  30. Anonymouse Comment Theft on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:20 pm 

    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:18 pm

  31. More Davy ID Theft on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:26 pm 

    JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:15 pm

    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:16 pm

    JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:16 pm

    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:18 pm

    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:19 pm

  32. JuanP sock fraud on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:40 pm 

    JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:15 pm
    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:16 pm
    JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:16 pm
    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:18 pm
    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:19 pm

  33. JuanP ID fraud on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:41 pm 

    Anonymously on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:18 pm

  34. JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:42 pm 

    I am spending less time on this lame unmoderated forum to concentrate on my own blog. I do want to thank all those who have attacked me with giving me material for growth. I have saved the best of my comments for my new blog. I have years worth of material. I have enjoyed moderating the worst of you and neutering your selfish useless agendas.

  35. JuanP Comment Theft on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:59 pm 

    JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 3:42 pm

  36. makati1 on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 5:01 pm 

    JuanP is a thug

  37. Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 5:17 pm 

    No mak, he is a stalker and a faggot

  38. More Davy ID Theft on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 5:20 pm 

    makati1 on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 5:01 pm

    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 5:17 pm

  39. Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 6:09 pm 

    Yet Another Mass Shooting Leaves 6 Wounded
    A ‘gunman’ opened fire on a crowd gathered in Garland Park in Chicago’s West Side this weekend, leaving six people wounded. As CBS News reports, according to police, the victims were among over 100 people attending a street party. Police said several altercations occurred at the gathering. The bullets hit a 25-year-old man and five women between 27 and 38 years old. This is a repeat of last weekend’s mass shooting (which Chicago police have released audio of)… Below is the sound that Chicago needs to change its ways on how we handle gun offenders. Audio from the tragic shooting at 18th & Kildare yesterday shows that criminals have no deterrent to carrying illegal guns in our city and this is what residents and police are up against. pic.twitter.com/VwixZwR0Vb — Anthony Guglielmi (@AJGuglielmi) August 5, 2019 And every weekend before that. Source: HeyJackass In fact this weekend has seen 4 people shot dead and 40 more shot and wounded in Chicago. The bolded list above is the mass shooting described at the top and the bolded and underlined items are those who were shot and killed. Source: HeyJackass So given this ‘rash’ of ‘mass shootings’ that is occurring every weekend in Democratically-controlled Chicago, where are the grieving politicians? Where is the 24/7 mainstream media crews demanding something be done? A rhetorical question of course… because even mentioning this constant collapse of the fabric of society in Chicago is simply refuted as ‘racist’ by anyone who wants the attention glued to “white supremacists” killing honest Americans across the country. HeyJackass sums things up perfectly: “Following yet another Shootapalooza shitshow, expect more of the same while No Accountability Monday yields nothing of value other than petulance about tweets and stats.”

  40. Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 6:39 pm 

    Pretty sure you’ve all figured out the above was DAVYMOB (again). I dont spam pointless, unattributed OT drivel like cloggedrectum and Davytard do.

    Anyhow got things to do, so, I’ll let Davyturd\mob get back to his busy schedule of ID theft and stalking. I mean, what better way to spend ones ENTIRE Sunday, than pretending to be me and, mak, Juan, and…anyone else that strikes his delusional fancy.

    dumbass

  41. JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 6:58 pm 

    Wow, what gave you that clue? LOL Anon, this is all Davy doing. Thanks for your support. Together we can censor Davy out of here. It will be like old times. Remember when we ruled the forum!!

  42. Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:01 pm 

    Anyhow Juan, you got things to do so get back to your Davy stalking. I will check in soon. I have a boyfriend to meet. We are trading notes on Xbox stuff.

  43. More Davy ID Theft and Child Like Behavior on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:03 pm 

    JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 6:58 pm

    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:01 pm

  44. muhamadbinpedoalameriki-akafmr on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:07 pm 

    JuanP on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 6:58 pm

    Anonymouse on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:01 pm

  45. makati1 on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:08 pm 

    JuanP is an obsessive compulsive liar and this post makes a great point thanks cloggie and davy:
    https://browserspy.dk/webserver.php
    and fill in peakoil.com, you get that the server is hosted by Cloudflare:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudflare
    Cloudflare is one of the last bastions of free speech, under lefties also known as “hate speech”.
    It is very sad that the admin of this site doesn’t seem to want to take the trouble to log in to his server dashboard and active a few presets, enforcing posters to post under a unique username/password combination. That doesn’t eliminate bolshevik saboteurs like I AM THE MOB to post garbage under fake identities, but at least it stops identity theft and that would make a hell of a difference.
    If possible, you could also enforce that one IP-address can only post under a single identity.
    Please admin, invest an hour of your time to get this right. The international situation is getting more “interesting” (like in famous the Chinese proverb) by the day.
    Davy on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 4:39 am
    AH, as one who has seen his identity taken and fruit cake socks used to ad hom for over a year now I second that request. Juanpee has ruined this place that is clear. He started the shit. He doesn’t care though. He is an egotistical mentally ill fuck. I can deal with people attacking me and I will attack back. I look forward to heated debate and normal discussions. What juanpee is doing is trashing the forum with the worst of behavior a forum can see and that is id theft. Even the socks are bad but nothing like id theft. If I partake it is because poison is be used on me so I give poison back. This is how war is done. I will be here to the bitter end, fuck wack, juanpee. Go ahead and take the site down. Pretty clear most everyone but you is tired of your ID theft and fake socks. I generally try to start the day out lately with talking news. Juanpee starts the shit. Lets see what he does today.

  46. More Davy ID Theft on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:09 pm 

    makati1 on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:08 pm

  47. JuanP identity fraud on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:13 pm 

    makati1 on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:08 pm

  48. Now Hear This! on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 7:39 pm 

    Davy’s goat sex partner drowned and the weeds are shoulder high. All he has time to do is infest PO 24/7/365 with his delusional view of the world and his sock puppets.

    He is the typical arrogant, selfish, delusional, terrorist supporting, baby killing, brainwashed, greedy Amerikan. If he cannot control the site, he will try to destroy it, just like his dying country, the US is trying to destroy the world … and failing.

  49. Cloggie on Sun, 11th Aug 2019 9:36 pm 

    Hollywood is so mega-out and Trump is so correct in his attacks against the disgusting media:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7346733/Italian-Deputy-PM-hits-actor-Richard-Geres-criticism-stranded-migrant-boat.html

    “’He can take them to Hollywood on his private jet!’ Italian Deputy PM Matteo Salvini hits back at Richard Gere after the actor criticised nation for its refusal to accept migrants stranded in the Mediterranean”

    Hahaha!

    Salvini gets OVERWHELMING support from British commenters.

    Young male African invaders, as well as Richard Gere, need to be shot between the eyes and seen as enemy-combattants and enemies of European civilization.

    Make Salvini Roman emperor of Europe!
    One Africa is more than enough.

    American (and Anglo) officialdom is so totally obsolete and behind the times. Stuck in the 20th century while suffering from terminal cancer:

    https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/salvinicover0924.jpg?w=800&quality=85

    New Iron Curtain in the Channel now!

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