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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal would reshape the economy in 10 years

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The millennial architects of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal appear to be drawing inspiration from the old mantra of their generation’s most iconic company: “Move fast and break things.”

That company, Facebook, has connected about a third of the world’s population in just over a decade. The insurgent political movement behind Ocasio-Cortez has something more ambitious in mind: remaking the planet’s largest economy in order to save the world from climate change.

As the the progressives begin to release the early sketches of their plan to create a zero-carbon economy, some policymakers and researchers worry the Green New Deal will literally break things. The concern is that Ocasio-Cortez’s plan to achieve climate goals in just 10 years will not only tee up defeat but unleash disruptions and unintended consequences that reverberate from U.S. power markets to Central African mines.

“Looking at something like 10 years, it’s not a lot of time to look around at what’s going on and react to it. If you give yourself a little more time, you have more opportunity to see what’s working and make tweaks to make sure you’re on the right path and accomplishing your policy objectives.” -Dr. Noah Kaufman, research scholar, Center on Global Energy Policy

In one possible scenario, a rapid transition creates vulnerabilities in the system that leave the nation exposed to power shortages during times of peak demand, like last week’s polar vortex. While conservatives have long evoked rolling blackouts as a bogeyman in the debate over renewable power, energy researchers do express concern about the time frame for achieving Ocasio-Cortez’s goals.

“From a vantage point like mine, they’re certainly outside the realm of what is achievable, and I’m not sure that by putting those proposals forth, we’re actually really moving the ball forward for the agenda,” said Francis O’Sullivan, head of research at the MIT Energy Initiative.

A Green New Deal would mobilize the nation’s capital — its money, manpower and know-how — to advance clean tech and overhaul the American energy and transportation sectors. The goal is to drive carbon dioxide and other greenhouse-gas emissions to zero and prevent the potentially catastrophic impacts of climate change.

Ocasio-Cortez and the progressive wing of the Democratic Party are the latest advocates for such a plan. Their vision also strives to achieve economic justice with proposals like a federal jobs guarantee, basic income and universal health care. Ocasio-Cortez and Democratic Sen. Edward Markey are expected to introduce legislation into both chambers of Congress to move the plan forward soon.

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The progressive coalition has yet to propose policies to reach this clean energy future, and Ocasio-Cortez has only floated ideas for how to pay for it — including a charge on carbon emissions and a 70 percent marginal tax rate for wealthy Americans. However, the coalition has set broad, ambitious goals:

  • Generate 100 percent of the nation’s electric power from renewable sources.
  • Build a national, energy-efficient “smart” electric power grid.
  • Upgrade every residential and industrial building for energy efficiency.
  • Eliminate greenhouse-gas emissions from the transportation sector, as well as from farms, factories and other industries.
  • Fund “massive” investment, and make the U.S. a leading exporter of clean-tech products and services.

In her proposal to establish a House select committee, Ocasio-Cortez said she wants to hit the targets within 10 years of passing legislation authorizing a Green New Deal.

To be sure, the goals are not promises, said Demond Drummer, executive director at New Consensus, the think tank charged with fleshing out the deal and other progressive policies.

“We’re not promising anything. We’re setting a goal,” he said. “We’re setting a goal, and we’re going to get there.”

“Ten years is the statement. It really communicates we need to take bold, aggressive action.”

Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s office declined to make the Congress member or an aide available for this story and did not respond to written questions.

Hitting mid-century goals by 2030

Policies aimed at achieving zero emissions have historically targeted mid-century for two reasons, according to Dr. Noah Kaufman, who studied pathways to decarbonization on the White House Council on Environmental Quality under President Barack Obama.

First, climate scientists generally believe cutting emissions by 80 percent to 100 percent by 2050 would allow nations to collectively prevent global temperatures from rising above 2 degrees Celsius by 2100, the headline goal of the 2015 Paris climate agreement. Beyond that threshold, climate scientists warn the impacts of global warming grow less predictable and perhaps exponentially more devastating.

Second, a longer timeline allows reductions to occur without major disruptions to the way companies and citizens go about their business. The 10-year target for Ocasio-Cortez’s goal, for example, would force utilities to shut down natural gas plants long before their useful life is over, said Kaufman, now a research scholar at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy.

Drummer confirms the Green New Deal would phase out all fossil fuel and nuclear plants, though he said it would be done “responsibly and justly.”

“The reason why we think it’s worth looking into is because the science says we actually don’t have 10 years. The science says this should have happened 10 years ago from yesterday,” Drummer said.

Drummer points to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s recent warning that “unprecedented changes” are necessary to meet the more ambitious goal of holding global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius. The world is on pace to exceed that level as soon as 2030, the Nobel Prize-winning panel composed of climate scientists said.

Policymakers and scholars tell CNBC a broad, overarching strategy to combat climate change is necessary, and they welcome the attention that Ocasio-Cortez has brought to the issue.

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Kaufman does not doubt the nation could drive emissions close to zero in 10 or 20 years, provided the United States treats climate change as a national emergency and reaches political consensus. However, he and others warn that a sudden, rapid transition could create problems that undermine green goals.

“Looking at something like 10 years, it’s not a lot of time to look around at what’s going on and react to it,” Kaufman said. “If you give yourself a little more time, you have more opportunity to see what’s working and make tweaks to make sure you’re on the right path and accomplishing your policy objectives.”

100 percent renewable power: “A really big stretch”

Currently, only some parts of the country, like California and Texas, are seeing renewables go from playing a marginal role in the power system to a meaningful role, said O’Sullivan, the MIT researcher.

“The idea of a wind and solar future — 100 percent in 10 years’ time — that’s a really big stretch in many places. A very considerably cleaner system in 10 years’ time, now that’s much more realistic in regions where you have some hydro, aggressive additional buildup of wind and solar and quite a bit of nuclear hanging out as well.”

Renewable-energy sources generated 17 percent of the country’s electric power in 2017, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Hydropower accounted for 7.4 percent, followed by wind at 6.4 percent. Solar contributed just 1.3 percent.

Meanwhile, nuclear power plants generated 20 percent of the nation’s electric power and 63 percent of its zero-carbon power.

Scaling up wind and solar power would require replacing hundreds of thousands of miles of transmission and distribution lines with high voltage wire, in addition to outfitting the infrastructure with sensors to create a smart grid.

O’Sullivan said the United States is “nowhere near” implementing a national smart grid, and he is skeptical the country could stand one up in 10 years. Building out that infrastructure is a tortuous process that entails navigating a thicket of stakeholders, from local landowners to federal regulators.

In 2011 the Electric Power Research Institute estimated the cost of a national smart grid, including storage, at $338 billion to $476 billion. EPRI said the grid would create $1.3 trillion to $2 trillion in economic benefits and cut emissions by nearly 60 percent from 2005 levels. EPRI, an independent nonprofit, is mostly funded by utilities.

Even at today’s modest levels, rapid deployment of renewables has created technical and market complications, said O’Sullivan. California solar and wind farms have curtailed large amounts of supply because they were generating more power than could be used or stored at times. The spike in renewable power also drove prices down to levels that create problems in power markets.

These complexities “are surmountable, but they are not surmountable in unrealistic time frames — in time frames that just do not mesh with the overall inertia of the system,” O’Sullivan said.

More batteries, more problems

The Green New Deal also requires installing systems to store energy when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.

The United States currently has 1.4 Gw of installed energy battery storage capacity, and it’s on pace to grow that capacity to 4 Gw by 2023, according to energy research firm Wood Mackenzie. That pencils out to 3 percent to 4 percent of the electric power the nation can generate.

“There is no solution for 100 percent renewable that doesn’t require massive amounts of storage,” said Daniel Finn-Foley, senior energy storage analyst at Wood Mackenzie Power and Renewables.

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That’s where the Green New Deal’s vision for electric power intersects with its transportation sector goal — replacing all internal combustion engine vehicles with electric vehicles. The dominant technology behind both EVs and electric power storage is lithium-ion batteries.

Wood Mackenzie forecasts that under current conditions, annual electric vehicle sales will reach 2.9 million by 2030, accounting for 16 percent of all lightweight vehicles sold in the United States.

Getting to 100 percent around 2030 would be a “huge” jump, and one that raises serious geopolitical, humanitarian and environmental concerns, said Ravi Manghani, director of storage research at Wood Mackenzie Power and Renewables.

That’s because lithium-ion batteries rely on rare earths like cobalt.

There are serious concerns about the environmental impacts on lithium-producing nations. Meanwhile, more than half of the world’s cobalt supply comes from the Democratic Republic of Congo, a central African nation with a record of instability and a history of child labor in the mining industry.

Lifting EV sales from 16 percent to 100 percent by 2030 would require a roughly five- to sixfold increase in mining, Manghani said. He is concerned that a huge surge in demand over a short period could incentivize environmental and labor abuses and even tip DRC further into instability.

One solution is to prioritize new battery technologies that use less cobalt, and certainly, the Green New Deal calls for mobilizing the nation on a scale similar to World War II and the Space Race to accelerate innovation.

Still, Drummer acknowledges that some technologies, like zero-carbon airplanes, are unlikely to emerge at commercial scale over the next decade.

“That may take 50 years, but the point is, we’ve got to try,” Drummer said. “We’re not moving currently with the urgency we need to be moving to actually address this existential threat.”

He added: “The unintended consequence of moving fast must be weighed with the known consequences of not moving fast enough.”

CNBC



178 Comments on "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal would reshape the economy in 10 years"

  1. Anonymouse (Associate) on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 8:05 pm 

    The Projector-in-Chief is having a busy one tonight. And why not? It’s not as if the animals he hasnt fucked to death (yet) need food or water or anything like that. And with the .9 acre turdstead headed for another bumper crop of weeds, moss, and scrubgrass this year, things have never looked so good(cough). This frees up all kinds of time for him to dream up new, yet totally transparently obvious handles and sock-puppets @ PO.com.

    Time well wasted.

  2. NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard (Associate) on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 9:49 pm 

    anontard why u bothering supertard? u need to get a life ok

  3. TPTB on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 10:40 pm 

    The retard’s back and you’re gonna be in trouble.

    Does fmr=paultard really think ANYBODY gives a flying shit it was gone for the past month?

    We missed the tard’s unintelligible word farts.

  4. NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Sat, 9th Feb 2019 7:56 pm 

    apparently they gave more than shit. i’ve been away for over a month and they masqueraded as me the entire time.
    i speak truth because i have knowledge of history and aswang didn’t like it.

  5. More Davy Sock Puppetry on Sat, 9th Feb 2019 11:39 pm 

    NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Sat, 9th Feb 2019 7:56 pm

  6. More Davy Sock Puppetry on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 4:41 am 

    NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard (Associate) on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 9:49

  7. JuanP bullshit on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 4:49 am 

    More Davy Sock Puppetry said NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard (Associate) on Fri,…

    More Davy Sock Puppetry said NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Sat, 9th Feb 2019…

    More Davy Sock Puppetry said NATHANPHILLIPSAKAfmr-paultard on Sat, 9th Feb 2019…

  8. Davy on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 4:52 am 

    Hey y’all. I just noticed that one of my cows has more then one udder, and the milk is quite a bit less salty tasting. Does anybody know why?

  9. JuanP identity theft on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 5:04 am 

    Davy on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 4:52 am

    Hey y’all. I just noticed that one of my cows has more then one udder, and the milk is quite a bit less salty tasting. Does anybody know why?

  10. JuanP on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 5:49 am 

    Davy, I do not steal identities. You are the one that does that. I see that you decided to continue playing stupid games one more day. So be it!

  11. JuanP on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 5:50 am 

    Davy, you are the one that is full of bullshit, not me. Prepare yourself to be moderated all day long once more. You asked for it!

  12. Davy on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 6:06 am 

    Bring it on. It is not like this is a different day or I care. Just more triggered juanp mental illness.

  13. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 6:09 am 

    Davy, I do not steal identities. You are the one that does that. I see that you decided to continue playing stupid games one more day. So be it!

    I believe Juan. By far the most identity theft is done by mobster-kike, he does that by nature. Natural born liars and deceivers, all.

    Some identity theft is done by zog-bot davy.

  14. Davy on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 6:32 am 

    “I believe Juan. By far the most identity theft is done by mobster-kike, he does that by nature. Natural born liars and deceivers, all.”
    Of course you do!! LOL, dirty juan provides cover for your anti-American lies. You both are at the top of the list of anti-American extremist. You both lie. At least you can be on-topic sometimes and rarely do sock puppets. Sum is your lame effort at socks. Juan uses sum sometimes too. You and JuanP are ruining this forum. You are because you spam this board 20/7 with Euro chauvinism and racist Nazi ads. JuanP for his dirty behavior of identity theft and sock puppets. Both of you are frauds and characters that belongs in the gutter.

    “Some identity theft is done by zog-bot davy.”
    I have done identity theft only with JuanP, makato, and anon as an effort to combat their daily bad behavior. This bad behavior has been going on now for 7 months from triggered juan. Lately I stopped because jaunp is triggered why waste my time on him. Everyone knows by now what he is doing

  15. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 7:15 am 

    “Sum is your lame effort at socks.”

    Sum was your work. “He” always posted three minutes before or after you posted.lol

    You seriously believe I am going to write posts with “my dear brave friend Davy”.lol

    The only one desperate in need of friends is you.

  16. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 7:22 am 

    “Of course you do!! LOL, dirty juan provides cover for your anti-American lies. ”

    You are the greatest anti-(white) American here, with your around the clock racism-howling, at the cost of white America, who you constantly betray.

    I am the greatest pro-white-American here, thinking 24/7 about how to achieve the best results for white Americans, in the current situation that is. And that would be to park them into the safety of a global white commonwealth of European peoples, under the loving care of PBM.

    Deep into CW2 you will understand that your older brother from the European Mother Civilization was right all along. And you will become a European again.

    Cloggie knows best.

  17. Davy on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 7:23 am 

    LOL, then you admit to SUM. LMFAO. You give yourself away clogged, too easily.

  18. Davy on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 7:26 am 

    Not hard to trigger a Nazi either. LMFAO. Just call a Nazi racist a Nazi and he gets all flustered because he knows he is a Nazi but he knows the term is derogatory to most people so all kinds of deflections develop.

  19. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 7:41 am 

    “LOL, then you admit to SUM. LMFAO. You give yourself away clogged, too easily.”

    No I don’t.

    “Not hard to trigger a Nazi either. LMFAO. Just call a Nazi racist a Nazi and he gets all flustered because he knows he is a Nazi but he knows the term is derogatory to most people so all kinds of deflections develop.”

    This is me, juvenile dave…

    https://goo.gl/images/FRjRX4

    …and I am going to gas you, I have eaten enough bean soup to get the job done.

  20. JuanP on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 7:47 am 

    Delusional Davy “LOL, then you admit to SUM. LMFAO. You give yourself away clogged, too easily.”

    What is wrong with you, moron! He didn’t admit to anything. He very clearly stated that Sum is another one of your sock puppets, which it clearly is. Is your increasing insanity interfering with your reading comprehension on top of your writing skills? Go back and read the comment again, fool, maybe this time you will understand it. You are such a pathetic loser, Davy!

  21. JuanP on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 7:53 am 

    Delusional Davy “LOL, dirty juan provides cover for your anti-American lies. You both are at the top of the list of anti-American extremist. You both lie.”

    I don’t lie, Davy! You simply can’t face the truth and falsely accuse anyone pointing out your flaws and the atrocities your country commits on a daily of being a rabid anti American and a liar. I want what is best for the whole world, including the USA. The flaws and atrocities I point out need to be confronted for things to change for the better. If you were not a narcissistic fool you would understand that one needs to admit a problem before taking any other steps to solve it.

  22. Davy on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 7:55 am 

    juanita, where is boney joe? Bring him out today. LMFAO. What about Mitch or Truth will Set you free? What about Father Sullivan? OH yea, truthbuster. You really are so boring. You think you can do this shit over and over and not be detected. More low IQ activity.

  23. Davy on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 7:57 am 

    come on junita how about a new sock or just defaulted to your frustrations and go directly to Davy identity theft. Low IQ people like you are so predictable.

  24. The frustrations build on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 7:59 am 

    JuanP said Delusional Davy “LOL, dirty juan provides co…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “LOL, then you admit to SUM….
    JuanP said How many arguments have you lost today already, Da…
    JuanP said Homophobic Davy “Juanita, where is your gay…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “This is just a personality…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “It is not hard to let someb…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “Juanita, how disruptive has…
    JuanP said And there you go again, fool, using sock puppets o…
    JuanP said People who live in glass houses should not throw b…

  25. JuanP on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 8:01 am 

    Delusional Davy “Juan uses sum sometimes too. You and JuanP are ruining this forum.”
    “JuanP for his dirty behavior of identity theft and sock puppets.”

    More lies and projections from the board’s bully! I HAVE NEVER USED A SOCK PUPPET OR STOLEN AN IDENTITY, AND I NEVER WILL! I consider doing that extremely infantile. Davy, on the other hand does that every single day, but he is not the only one. And, Davy, you are the person responsible for ruining this forum. You started this! It was your actions, and other people’s (including me) reactions to your actions that ruined this forum. You have nobody but yourself to blame, Davy!

  26. JuanP on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 8:14 am 

    Lying Davy “I have done identity theft only with JuanP, makato, and anon as an effort to combat their daily bad behavior. This bad behavior has been going on now for 7 months from triggered juan. Lately I stopped because jaunp is triggered why waste my time on him. Everyone knows by now what he is doing.”

    Just when I think you couldn’t possibly get any worse you pull shit like this! LOL! At least you admitted once more that you engage in identity theft. So, by now you have admitted countless times that you use sock puppets and steal identities. Your bad behavior has been going on for more than five years, Davy, but now that I am pointing it out on a regular basis, it has become obvious to everybody here. You never stopped, liar, because you can’t control yourself. We all know it is you who has been playing dirty games, stealing identities and using sock puppets. What some here may not realize yet is that you have always done that, but you never fooled me! I could tell that you are a lying, manipulative, controlling, narcissistic, sociopathic, antisocial, motherfucking son of a whore from the first moment. You are the reason I started posting comments here. I tried to be nice to you, then I tried ignoring you, but when those things didn’t work I started doing to you what you do to others, and I am better at it than you are. So, now, I get to bully, insult, and attack you as I please! It is not nice being on the receiving end of all that abuse, is it, Davy?

  27. JuanP on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 8:18 am 

    Delusional Davy “come on junita how about a new sock or just defaulted to your frustrations and go directly to Davy identity theft.”

    You made so many mistakes there, Davy, that they are hard to count because that whole shit needs to be rewritten to have any meaning! You are getting increasingly incoherent! ROFLMFAO!

  28. Truth Buster on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 8:28 am 

    DavySkum’s middle name is “hypocrisy”. Poor Pablo, how soon Davy forgets. Let me remind everyone what you had written. You recounted that you were in Forest Park in the City of St. Louis “tricking”. To gather up the courage to cruise the park trails and restrooms, you had consumed a quart of Ripple in 15 minutes. You subsequently passed out in the park and you fortunately awoke to find a stranger, Pablo, whom you identify as an ebony twink, painting your toenails. You went on to say how lucky you were. You could have found yourself robbed, sodomized, and dropped-off in East St. Louis.

    You are such a hypocrite, Skum.

  29. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 9:13 am 

    I bet Davy and Clogg are afraid the communist will takeover and redistribute their fat..

    LOL

  30. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 9:17 am 

    We no longer have faith in technology to solve global issues

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/digital-distrust-we-re-losing-faith-in-technology-to-solve-the-world-s-problems

  31. seriously triggered juanp LMFAO on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 9:25 am 

    Truth Buster said Davy is really grasping at straws in a pathetic mo…
    JuanP said Homophobic Davy “Remember this triggered Jua…
    Truth Buster said DavySkum’s middle name is “hypocrisy&#…
    Truth Buster said My, my, how conveniently Davy forgets about Pablo….
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “come on junita how about a…
    Truth Buster said How soon Davy forgets about Pablo. Let me remind e…
    JuanP said Lying Davy “I have done identity theft only…

  32. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 10:25 am 

    Europe is different and has enough of young male, fighting age invaders, masquerading as “refugees”:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6687043/Why-Denmark-dump-unwanted-refugees-remote-17-acre-island.html

    “Europe’s Alcatraz: Why the continent’s most liberal nation of Denmark will dump unwanted refugees on a remote 17 acre island”

    You ain’t seen nothing yet. Soon it will be open season.

    I bet Davy and Clogg are afraid the communist will takeover and redistribute their fat..

    The communist takeover attempt by Dem-loons is certainly coming in the US, providing an immense opportunity for Eurasia to get rid of the empire on the cheap.

    We in Eurasia love America so much that we want to see at least 5 of them.lol!

  33. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 11:24 am 

    Zerohedge scaremongering about flashes and booms being heard across America..Calling them “Mysterious”

    “Mysterious Booms And Flashes Of Light” All Across America
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-09/apocalyptic-sounds-sky-no-explanation-mysterious-booms-and-flashes-light-all-across?fbclid=IwAR2XM6WTLKgkyCHXK01IPozSVqSdVll9EaCFHiBUeez6v0yeDDmj8ty3-Nc

    Scaring right wingers is like shooting fish in a barrel..So dumb and stupid..Weak in mind and body..

    LOL

  34. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 11:28 am 

    CLogg

    Daily mail is banned by wiki for writing fake stories..But you swallow up the fake news like mothers milk..Just like all the studies prove..Isn’t science great..LOL

    Fake news sharing in US is a rightwing thing, says Oxford study
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/06/sharing-fake-news-us-rightwing-study-trump-university-of-oxford

    Older people, conservatives more likely to share fake news: study
    https://news.yahoo.com/older-people-conservatives-more-likely-share-fake-news-002831677.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=fb&fbclid=IwAR2Z23qqqRKciXaUJlw3uFbPnStH6NT_nUpvZ7I4FbkZhOI0qIuRIuCizFw

    Study: Fake news may have won Trump the election
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/03/study-fake-news-may-have-won-trump-the-election/

  35. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 11:37 am 

    Behold Scotland’s finest loyalists.

    https://i.redd.it/ab6hnwd8rmf21.png

    LOL

  36. Truth Buster on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 11:46 am 

    At least Davy is honest enough to acknowledge the truth of his Forest Park incident with Pablo, although what choice does he have since I have his posts recounting these events.

    It’s a step in the right direction.

  37. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 12:36 pm 

    “When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind.”

    – C. S. Lewis

  38. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 12:46 pm 

    Dutch new green deal in the making:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/dutch-20-mw-akzo-gasunie-hydrogen-electrolysis-initiative/

    Gasunie and Akzo-Nobel want to build an electrolyzer factory in the Netherlands and start with 20 MW, to whet the appetite. The end goal is 5-10 GW electrolysis capacity to set up a hydrogen storage system for the Dutch economy.

  39. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 12:58 pm 

    Clogg

    The dutch are running out of natural gas..

    Europe’s Biggest Natural Gas Producer Is Running Out of Fuel
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-16/europe-s-biggest-natural-gas-producer-is-running-out-of-fuel

    I see austerity in your future! LOL

  40. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 1:00 pm 

    Netherlands has extracted almost 80 percent of its reserves

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-16/europe-s-biggest-natural-gas-producer-is-running-out-of-fuel

    The Netherlands is the next Greece!

  41. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 1:05 pm 

    “I see austerity in your future! LOL”

    I don’t:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2019/01/13/dutch-wind-energy-installation-data/

  42. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 1:20 pm 

    Ranking the Trump Economy

    The president brags about U.S. prosperity. But conditions improved more under his predecessors. (Even Carter.)

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-28/trump-economy-lags-clinton-s-obama-s-reagan-s-and-even-carter-s?srnd=opinion&utm_medium=social&utm_content=view&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-view

  43. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 1:58 pm 

    Clogg

    You can’t export wind power..And wind power isn’t very efficient..

    You will never escape the resource curse..Your country was built on natural gas exports..And without it you will collapse even harder than the rest of europe!

    I see barbarism in your future!

    LOL

  44. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 2:24 pm 

    “You can’t export wind power..And wind power isn’t very efficient.”

    You as a kindergarten dropout should stay away from science, technology and engineeting.

    You don’t have a clue. Dumb as a brick.

  45. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 2:39 pm 

    Thousands protest in Madrid before trial of Catalan separatists

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/10/thousands-protest-in-madrid-as-catalan-separatists-trial-looms?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1549813354

    EUROPE IS FALLING!

    I love watching it in real time!

  46. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 2:41 pm 

    Clogg

    I have a PhD in science..You are low IQ conservative..

    Let me prove it..

    IT TAKES OVER 150 WIND TURBINES (1.5 MW models) TO PROVIDE THE MINIMAL POWER NECESSARY FOR 1 SHOPPING MALL
    https://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~matilsky/windmills/shopping.html

    Insane: Germany Will Need 3,000 Wind Turbines To Replace This Workhorse Nuke Plant
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2016/03/21/the-little-reactor-that-could-germanys-grohnde-nuclear-plant/#6d04e46321a4

  47. I AM THE MOB on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 2:45 pm 

    Clogg

    The only reason your country had a strong economy over the last 100 years was your natural gas exports to Europe..Without them all you have are stupid tulips..

    I see hardcore austerity in your future..I hope you aren’t living off social welfare..Because its going to be cut soon..

    LOL

  48. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 2:50 pm 

    “I have a PhD in science..You are low IQ conservative..”

    Any science in particular?
    Lesbian finger-painting, perchance?

    I’m not a conservative, you moron, I’m a reactionary.
    Be afraid, be very afraid.

    https://goo.gl/images/7oeaj7

    Oh and should I take serious an institution, unable to set up a readable webpage?

    Don’t think so.

  49. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 3:44 pm 

    “The only reason your country had a strong economy over the last 100 years was your natural gas exports to Europe..Without them all you have are stupid tulips.”

    Holland was always since the 15th century one of the richest countries in Europe. Won’t change. Location, location, location:

    https://tinyurl.com/y6cgrnpk

    And 50,000 km2 shallow water with superb 10 m/s average wind speed. A gold mine. Combined with hydrogen, it’s already clear how we are going to make money in this century.

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/07/gold-mine-north-sea/

  50. Cloggie on Sun, 10th Feb 2019 3:52 pm 

    I’m not a conservative, I’m a retard. Be afraid, be very afraid.

    I might get up out of my autonomous wheel-chair and shoot my dentures in your general direction.

    I dont have a link with some kind of picture, or video, or whatever, to prove it, I do not really need one. Not in this case. I really am a retard, so please, by all means, feel free to discount everything I say.

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