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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal would reshape the economy in 10 years

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The millennial architects of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal appear to be drawing inspiration from the old mantra of their generation’s most iconic company: “Move fast and break things.”

That company, Facebook, has connected about a third of the world’s population in just over a decade. The insurgent political movement behind Ocasio-Cortez has something more ambitious in mind: remaking the planet’s largest economy in order to save the world from climate change.

As the the progressives begin to release the early sketches of their plan to create a zero-carbon economy, some policymakers and researchers worry the Green New Deal will literally break things. The concern is that Ocasio-Cortez’s plan to achieve climate goals in just 10 years will not only tee up defeat but unleash disruptions and unintended consequences that reverberate from U.S. power markets to Central African mines.

“Looking at something like 10 years, it’s not a lot of time to look around at what’s going on and react to it. If you give yourself a little more time, you have more opportunity to see what’s working and make tweaks to make sure you’re on the right path and accomplishing your policy objectives.” -Dr. Noah Kaufman, research scholar, Center on Global Energy Policy

In one possible scenario, a rapid transition creates vulnerabilities in the system that leave the nation exposed to power shortages during times of peak demand, like last week’s polar vortex. While conservatives have long evoked rolling blackouts as a bogeyman in the debate over renewable power, energy researchers do express concern about the time frame for achieving Ocasio-Cortez’s goals.

“From a vantage point like mine, they’re certainly outside the realm of what is achievable, and I’m not sure that by putting those proposals forth, we’re actually really moving the ball forward for the agenda,” said Francis O’Sullivan, head of research at the MIT Energy Initiative.

A Green New Deal would mobilize the nation’s capital — its money, manpower and know-how — to advance clean tech and overhaul the American energy and transportation sectors. The goal is to drive carbon dioxide and other greenhouse-gas emissions to zero and prevent the potentially catastrophic impacts of climate change.

Ocasio-Cortez and the progressive wing of the Democratic Party are the latest advocates for such a plan. Their vision also strives to achieve economic justice with proposals like a federal jobs guarantee, basic income and universal health care. Ocasio-Cortez and Democratic Sen. Edward Markey are expected to introduce legislation into both chambers of Congress to move the plan forward soon.

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The progressive coalition has yet to propose policies to reach this clean energy future, and Ocasio-Cortez has only floated ideas for how to pay for it — including a charge on carbon emissions and a 70 percent marginal tax rate for wealthy Americans. However, the coalition has set broad, ambitious goals:

  • Generate 100 percent of the nation’s electric power from renewable sources.
  • Build a national, energy-efficient “smart” electric power grid.
  • Upgrade every residential and industrial building for energy efficiency.
  • Eliminate greenhouse-gas emissions from the transportation sector, as well as from farms, factories and other industries.
  • Fund “massive” investment, and make the U.S. a leading exporter of clean-tech products and services.

In her proposal to establish a House select committee, Ocasio-Cortez said she wants to hit the targets within 10 years of passing legislation authorizing a Green New Deal.

To be sure, the goals are not promises, said Demond Drummer, executive director at New Consensus, the think tank charged with fleshing out the deal and other progressive policies.

“We’re not promising anything. We’re setting a goal,” he said. “We’re setting a goal, and we’re going to get there.”

“Ten years is the statement. It really communicates we need to take bold, aggressive action.”

Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s office declined to make the Congress member or an aide available for this story and did not respond to written questions.

Hitting mid-century goals by 2030

Policies aimed at achieving zero emissions have historically targeted mid-century for two reasons, according to Dr. Noah Kaufman, who studied pathways to decarbonization on the White House Council on Environmental Quality under President Barack Obama.

First, climate scientists generally believe cutting emissions by 80 percent to 100 percent by 2050 would allow nations to collectively prevent global temperatures from rising above 2 degrees Celsius by 2100, the headline goal of the 2015 Paris climate agreement. Beyond that threshold, climate scientists warn the impacts of global warming grow less predictable and perhaps exponentially more devastating.

Second, a longer timeline allows reductions to occur without major disruptions to the way companies and citizens go about their business. The 10-year target for Ocasio-Cortez’s goal, for example, would force utilities to shut down natural gas plants long before their useful life is over, said Kaufman, now a research scholar at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy.

Drummer confirms the Green New Deal would phase out all fossil fuel and nuclear plants, though he said it would be done “responsibly and justly.”

“The reason why we think it’s worth looking into is because the science says we actually don’t have 10 years. The science says this should have happened 10 years ago from yesterday,” Drummer said.

Drummer points to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s recent warning that “unprecedented changes” are necessary to meet the more ambitious goal of holding global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius. The world is on pace to exceed that level as soon as 2030, the Nobel Prize-winning panel composed of climate scientists said.

Policymakers and scholars tell CNBC a broad, overarching strategy to combat climate change is necessary, and they welcome the attention that Ocasio-Cortez has brought to the issue.

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Kaufman does not doubt the nation could drive emissions close to zero in 10 or 20 years, provided the United States treats climate change as a national emergency and reaches political consensus. However, he and others warn that a sudden, rapid transition could create problems that undermine green goals.

“Looking at something like 10 years, it’s not a lot of time to look around at what’s going on and react to it,” Kaufman said. “If you give yourself a little more time, you have more opportunity to see what’s working and make tweaks to make sure you’re on the right path and accomplishing your policy objectives.”

100 percent renewable power: “A really big stretch”

Currently, only some parts of the country, like California and Texas, are seeing renewables go from playing a marginal role in the power system to a meaningful role, said O’Sullivan, the MIT researcher.

“The idea of a wind and solar future — 100 percent in 10 years’ time — that’s a really big stretch in many places. A very considerably cleaner system in 10 years’ time, now that’s much more realistic in regions where you have some hydro, aggressive additional buildup of wind and solar and quite a bit of nuclear hanging out as well.”

Renewable-energy sources generated 17 percent of the country’s electric power in 2017, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Hydropower accounted for 7.4 percent, followed by wind at 6.4 percent. Solar contributed just 1.3 percent.

Meanwhile, nuclear power plants generated 20 percent of the nation’s electric power and 63 percent of its zero-carbon power.

Scaling up wind and solar power would require replacing hundreds of thousands of miles of transmission and distribution lines with high voltage wire, in addition to outfitting the infrastructure with sensors to create a smart grid.

O’Sullivan said the United States is “nowhere near” implementing a national smart grid, and he is skeptical the country could stand one up in 10 years. Building out that infrastructure is a tortuous process that entails navigating a thicket of stakeholders, from local landowners to federal regulators.

In 2011 the Electric Power Research Institute estimated the cost of a national smart grid, including storage, at $338 billion to $476 billion. EPRI said the grid would create $1.3 trillion to $2 trillion in economic benefits and cut emissions by nearly 60 percent from 2005 levels. EPRI, an independent nonprofit, is mostly funded by utilities.

Even at today’s modest levels, rapid deployment of renewables has created technical and market complications, said O’Sullivan. California solar and wind farms have curtailed large amounts of supply because they were generating more power than could be used or stored at times. The spike in renewable power also drove prices down to levels that create problems in power markets.

These complexities “are surmountable, but they are not surmountable in unrealistic time frames — in time frames that just do not mesh with the overall inertia of the system,” O’Sullivan said.

More batteries, more problems

The Green New Deal also requires installing systems to store energy when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.

The United States currently has 1.4 Gw of installed energy battery storage capacity, and it’s on pace to grow that capacity to 4 Gw by 2023, according to energy research firm Wood Mackenzie. That pencils out to 3 percent to 4 percent of the electric power the nation can generate.

“There is no solution for 100 percent renewable that doesn’t require massive amounts of storage,” said Daniel Finn-Foley, senior energy storage analyst at Wood Mackenzie Power and Renewables.

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That’s where the Green New Deal’s vision for electric power intersects with its transportation sector goal — replacing all internal combustion engine vehicles with electric vehicles. The dominant technology behind both EVs and electric power storage is lithium-ion batteries.

Wood Mackenzie forecasts that under current conditions, annual electric vehicle sales will reach 2.9 million by 2030, accounting for 16 percent of all lightweight vehicles sold in the United States.

Getting to 100 percent around 2030 would be a “huge” jump, and one that raises serious geopolitical, humanitarian and environmental concerns, said Ravi Manghani, director of storage research at Wood Mackenzie Power and Renewables.

That’s because lithium-ion batteries rely on rare earths like cobalt.

There are serious concerns about the environmental impacts on lithium-producing nations. Meanwhile, more than half of the world’s cobalt supply comes from the Democratic Republic of Congo, a central African nation with a record of instability and a history of child labor in the mining industry.

Lifting EV sales from 16 percent to 100 percent by 2030 would require a roughly five- to sixfold increase in mining, Manghani said. He is concerned that a huge surge in demand over a short period could incentivize environmental and labor abuses and even tip DRC further into instability.

One solution is to prioritize new battery technologies that use less cobalt, and certainly, the Green New Deal calls for mobilizing the nation on a scale similar to World War II and the Space Race to accelerate innovation.

Still, Drummer acknowledges that some technologies, like zero-carbon airplanes, are unlikely to emerge at commercial scale over the next decade.

“That may take 50 years, but the point is, we’ve got to try,” Drummer said. “We’re not moving currently with the urgency we need to be moving to actually address this existential threat.”

He added: “The unintended consequence of moving fast must be weighed with the known consequences of not moving fast enough.”

CNBC



178 Comments on "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal would reshape the economy in 10 years"

  1. makati1 on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 8:39 pm 

    MOB you keep spewing the same propaganda bullshit. Get a new record. That one is getting scratchy and keeps jumping. If you don’t get my reference, you are not old enough to have a rational opinion.

    BTW: Have you noticed that they are spending that dollar reserve all over the world to own real things like mines, land, ports, etc? Nah! You are not that educated. And, the US TOTAL DEBT is over $70T which makes it over 350% of GDP.

    Trump is going to take the US down before his term(s) end. Wait and see. China is not going to care, nor will I. The rest of the world will rejoice.

  2. makati1 on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 10:46 pm 

    ” We are born free, and we will stay free.” But this uplifting sentiment cannot survive even a brief glance at the federal statute book or the heavy-handed enforcement tactics by federal, state, and local bureaucracies across the nation….

    Law enforcement agencies arrested over 10 million people in 2017— roughly three percent of the population….

    More people are arrested for marijuana offenses than for all violent crimes combined, according to FBI statistics….

    No coercion? Tell that to the scores of thousands of victims of asset forfeiture laws, which entitle law enforcement to confiscate people’s cash, cars, and other property based on the flimsiest accusation. Federal law-enforcement agencies seized more property via asset forfeiture provisions in 2014 year than all the burglars stole from homeowners and businesses nationwide….

    Each week, scores of thousands of Americans have their bank accounts seized by the IRS, or have IRS liens put on their houses or land, or endure a tax audit, or receive notice of penalties and demands for additional taxes….

    Trust the Washington establishment to continue pretending that “there is nothing to see here” in the continuing automatic-pilot coercion of the nation.”

    https://mises.org/wire/trumps-absurd-claim-americans-are-free-government-coercion

    Slip slidin’ ever faster…

  3. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:08 am 

    It’s better here than China and much of the rest of Asia, makato.

  4. makati1 on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:53 am 

    Really Delusional Davy? And you know this because? You have never been closer to Asia than buying junk at Walmart. All you have is a blown-up sense of entitlement and an arrogant, immature, propaganda filled, idea of the world outside if the States.

    If the US is so great, why is the American life expectancy dropping?
    Why is drug use and deaths going exponential?
    Why is suicide now higher than auto accident deaths?
    Why are there so many young people living at home if the economy is so wonderful?
    Why is home buying and marriage dropping in that same age group?
    Why is the National Debt skyrocketing? Not to mention state, corporate and personal.
    Why does the US feel it has to invade every country with resources to plunder?
    Why are psychopaths running the government?

    The negatives just go on and on…as does the slide into the 3rd world, or worse. Enjoy your day snowflake. I’m watching the US disintegrate faster and faster every day.

    GO TRUMP! LMAO!

  5. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 7:09 am 

    “Really Delusional Davy? And you know this because? You have never been closer to Asia than buying junk at Walmart. All you have is a blown-up sense of entitlement and an arrogant, immature, propaganda filled, idea of the world outside if the States.”
    Really delusional makato. Are you capable of reading about what is going on both on alternative and mainstream sources? This is not some stupid “you don’t live here shit” What a numbnut extremist with an emotional agenda.

    “If the US is so great, why is the American life expectancy dropping?”
    Dumbass, go back to my original comment and tell me where I said the “US is so great”? I didn’t say that shit. You and your poop troop and clogged are always cheerleading your side. I acknowledge decline and decay but you blame it on the other side and promote your side as good and growing.

    BTW, when you put me down you will get it back hypocrite:
    “Delusional Davy” “Enjoy your day snowflake.”

    So spare me your dumbass whining over your put downs.

  6. I AM THE MOB on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 7:29 am 

    The only billionaires should be running for in America is their lives!

  7. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 9:25 am 

    I’ve been bitching at Makato just about every day for years, but he doesn’t give a shit cause he isn’t married to my dumbass.

  8. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 10:12 am 

    Delusional Davy “It’s better here than China and much of the rest of Asia, makato.”

    Davy knows that because he knows everything! Or does he? ROFLMFAO!

  9. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 11:39 am 

    “Davy knows that because he knows everything! Or does he? ROFLMFAO!”

    I BLOW YOU OUT OF THE WATER DAILY, FOOL

  10. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 11:51 am 

    Delusional Davy “I BLOW YOU OUT OF THE WATER DAILY, FOOL”

    Maybe that is so in Davy’s Lalaland; in the real world you’ve lost every argument, and that is why you insult, attack, bully, lie compulsively, distort and deny the truth, steal identities, use sock puppets, and move goalposts every single day. Even your other personalities win their arguments against you! LOL! Not that I am trying to convince you otherwise; I know better. This is for the benefit of others. I just like pointing out how insane and deluded you are! LOL!

  11. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 11:55 am 

    Delusional Davy “I’ve been bitching at Makato just about every day for years.”

    Every once in a while Davy tells a truth. Whether this is by accident or mistake I don’t know! ROFLMFAO!

  12. NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 12:29 pm 

    i’ve been away for over a month and aswange or juan has been impersonating me

  13. quit the whining stupid on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 1:54 pm 

    can you think intelligently because this is just noise:

    “JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 11:51 am
    and that is why you insult, attack, bully, lie compulsively, distort and deny the truth, steal identities, use sock puppets, and move goalposts every single day.”

    This is what you do daily wack job

  14. JuanP said that not me on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 1:55 pm 

    “Delusional Davy “I’ve been bitching at Makato just about every day for years.”

  15. More Davy Sock Puppetry on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 2:59 pm 

    NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 12:29 pm

    quit the whining stupid on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 1:54 pm

    JuanP said that not me on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 1:55 pm

  16. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 3:00 pm 

    Delusional Davy “This is what you do daily wack job.”

    You are projecting once more, Exceptionalist! You probably have been projecting daily all your life, and you are so sick that you don’t realize how crazy you sound to others! ROFLMFAO!

  17. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 3:09 pm 

    Paultard “i’ve been away for over a month and aswange or juan has been impersonating me.”

    Join the club! Someone has been stealing multiple identities for months here. It is not me! Davy has admitted to stealing identities and using sock puppets on multiple occasions, though not yours in particular. Maybe you can figure it out? Antius is the only one who still believes Davy here; maybe you will be like him, or you could, alternatively, see the truth. Sooner or later Antius will get it, too, because he is smart enough, but Davy is very good at lying and manipulating others. Davy has lied so much for so long that he is trapped in his own web of lies, and doesn’t even remember who he is any longer. He has all his multiple personalities, sock puppets, and stolen identities mixed up. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day he started believing he was me! LOL! God knows he steals my identity all the time so he obviously wishes he was more like me! ROFLMFAO!

  18. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 3:11 pm 

    Davy has also lost track of how many farms, chickens, and goats he owns! LOL!

  19. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 4:21 pm 

    I don’t own any chickens stupid.

  20. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 4:33 pm 

    If you meant to say you don’t know chickenshit, you were probably right. You just get to live in flyover country rent free in that place your family bought to hide you away from civilized society because they are ashamed of you! LOL!

  21. Not Davy dumbass JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:16 pm 

    More Davy Sock Puppetry on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 2:59 pm

    NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 12:29 pm

  22. More JuanP Bullshit on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:17 pm 

    Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 4:21 pm

    I don’t own any chickens stupid.

  23. makati1 on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:27 pm 

    Maybe Delusional Davy should run for congress? He would fit right in with the nut cases in DC. He has been insulting me for many years and still doesn’t realize that he is just laughable. The only people who could hurt me with words are those I care about and he is not on that short list. Not even close. I don’t associate with nut cases and arrogant bullies.

  24. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:29 pm 

    I see the Exceptionalist is using sock puppets again! I guess he must be really angry that he can’t win any arguments, so he behaves like a kindergarden bully and plays stupid games. If stupid is as stupid does, then Davy is the stupidest person I have ever met. How can such an intelligent person be so stupid at the same time? Is it total insanity that explains his behavior? Me thinks so!

  25. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:32 pm 

    “Maybe Delusional Davy should run for congress? He would fit right in with the nut cases in DC.”
    I have twice the brain you do makato besides an education.

    “He has been insulting me for many years and still doesn’t realize that he is just laughable.”
    Liar, I have been neutering your extremism and bad manners. Big difference when you take someone’s comment and show it is wrong. Your best friend JuanP can’t debate so he just plays dirty with socks and identity theft. Your boy wonder anon is a weirdo.

    “The only people who could hurt me with words are those I care about and he is not on that short list. Not even close. I don’t associate with nut cases and arrogant bullies.”
    You are the biggest loser on this board after juanp. You do constant putdowns and character assassinations then you whine when you get it back. POO HOO old man

  26. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:35 pm 

    “I see the Exceptionalist is using sock puppets again!”
    Stupid, a sock puppet is when you pretend to be someone else like you do all day long. I just do alerts to your bad behavior but your little mind can’t understand that.
    “I guess he must be really angry that he can’t win any arguments, so he behaves like a kindergarden bully and plays stupid games.”
    Dirty juan, if you won arguments then you would not be playing dirty

  27. Anonymouse (Associate) on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:37 pm 

    He may well have owned chickens in the past, but if he did, good chance most of them would have died due to maltreatment, or simply ran off first chance they got. So, the exceptionalturds statement is probably true in this case. That’s a switch.

    Either way, he wouldn’t remember what happened to any of his ‘missing’ animals in any event, or that they even existed in the first place. The only things he (sort of) remembers, are his tirades @ PO.com. And even there, his memory of past events are very selective and, often times, self-serving as well.

    You know, just like every day for the Delusional one.

  28. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:40 pm 

    wow, perfect timing. You dumbasses must be having a thing going where you know to check in when the old man gets up so you can have your little bitch chat. What a bunch of losers. Nothing will be said just a lot of bullshit especially form anon and juanpee. makato will yap a little. He loves his boys. LOL

  29. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:42 pm 

    Anonymouse (Associate) on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:37 pm

    LOL, dumbass did you change your name for a reason??

  30. makati1 on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 5:53 pm 

    “Nothing will be said just a lot of bullshit”

    Davy projecting again.

  31. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:15 pm 

    Damn, makato, talking like juanpee now. You boys are getting so tight. When juanpee has nothing to say he simple says projecting. Uneducated people do that sort of thing.

  32. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:16 pm 

    Delusional Davy “Stupid, a sock puppet is when you pretend to be someone else like you do all day long. I just do alerts to your bad behavior but your little mind can’t understand that.”

    Maybe in Davy’s Lalaland, but not in the real world. Signing in using different names like you have been doing for years is using sock puppets, Exceptionalist. Your insults reflect badly on you, not me. They work exactly the opposite way you think they do? Who is the one who has been behaving like a little maladjusted kindergarden bully here for over five years? It’s you, Davy, not me. You are as little and insignificant as a human being can possibly be. I think that Paultard and Antius are beginning to understand that by now since they have stopped supporting you and are staying out of it, which is the smartest thing to do. I respect them for that. You are all by yourself once more. We have witnessed events follow this course uncounted times over the years. The fact that you keep behaving the same way and expecting a different result is irrefutable proof of your insanity, Exceptionalist. You are completely insane. I will never allow you to enjoy this site until you stop your bullshit. You can’t win this fight! LOL!

  33. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:19 pm 

    Delusional Davy “Your best friend JuanP can’t debate so he just plays dirty with socks and identity theft.”

    You are projecting again, Davy! God, you are a sad fuck!

  34. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:21 pm 

    Delusional Davy “You do constant putdowns and character assassinations then you whine when you get it back.”

    And yet another projection! Could you possibly be more obsessive compulsive?

  35. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:25 pm 

    Delusional Davy “LOL, dumbass did you change your name for a reason??”

    Your pretending to not know the answer to that question, Davy, is hilarious! We all know that you read every single comment posted on this site, so don’t pretend you don’t. It just makes you look like the fool you are! ROFLMFAO!

  36. juanp is projecting dumbass on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:26 pm 

    JuanP said Delusional Davy “LOL, dumbass did you change…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “You do constant putdowns an…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “Your best friend JuanP can’…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “Stupid, a sock puppet is wh…

  37. makati1 on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:28 pm 

    BTW Davy, this “old man” is proud to be an old man of 75. I have seen the US at its best and am now seeing it as it approaches its worst and possible end. I’m glad I got off of the USS DEBT before it hit that big iceberg of realty ahead.

    I’m also happy to enjoy very good heath and, barring an accident, I could very well live to be 100. It will likely be a much different world in 2044. We live in exciting times. ^_^

  38. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:28 pm 

    Delusional Davy ” You dumbasses must be having a thing going where you know to check in when the old man gets up so you can have your little bitch chat.”

    Who knows? Maybe we are coordinating behind your back through private messages! I just wanted to put that out there for your paranoid brain to consider! LOL!

  39. the boys are tight on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:33 pm 

    JuanP said Delusional Davy ” You dumbasses must be havi…
    makati1 said BTW Davy, this “old man” is proud to b…

  40. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:34 pm 

    Delusional Davy “When juanpee has nothing to say he simple says projecting.”

    I know that it bothers you that I point out your projections, but you are going all wrong in your attempts to get me to stop doing it. I will stop pointing out your projections the day you stop projecting, fool.

    I am sorry that you ruined the board for most of us, Davy, but, GOD, how I love fucking with you! If you had any idea how much I am enjoying this you would hate me even more! ROFLMFAO! You make my day every single day, Exceptionalist! Thanks for all the fun I have fucking with you! I am truly grateful! LOL!

  41. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:37 pm 

    Delusional Davy “What a bunch of losers.”

    Yet another projection! LOL!

  42. juanpee is projecting on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:39 pm 

    JuanP said Delusional Davy “What a bunch of losers.R…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “When juanpee has nothing to…

  43. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:40 pm 

    Delusional Davy “Dirty juan, if you won arguments then you would not be playing dirty.”

    You are the one playing dirty, using sock puppets and stealing identities because you can’t win an argument! Me thinks you are projecting again, Exceptionalist! LOL!

  44. more juanpee projecting on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:41 pm 

    JuanP said Delusional Davy “Dirty juan, if you won argu…

  45. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:42 pm 

    Associate Anon, I think that if Davy ever had any chickens he probably fucked them till he killed them! That lunatic couldn’t even take care of a goldfish! LOL!

  46. JuanP on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:45 pm 

    Delusional Davy sock puppets “JuanP said Delusional Davy “Dirty juan, if you won argu…”
    “JuanP said Delusional Davy “What a bunch of losers.R…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “When juanpee has nothing to…”

    Are you suffering from ADHD now, too, or suffering a psychotic break, Exceptionalist? LOL!

  47. trigger juanp...lol on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:46 pm 

    JuanP said Associate Anon, I think that if Davy ever had any…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “Dirty juan, if you won argu…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “What a bunch of losers.R…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “When juanpee has nothing to…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy ” You dumbasses must be havi…
    juanp is projecting dumbass said JuanP said Delusional Davy “LOL, dumbass did you c…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “LOL, dumbass did you change…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “You do constant putdowns an…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “Your best friend JuanP can’…
    JuanP said Delusional Davy “Stupid, a sock puppet is wh…

  48. makati1 on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 6:55 pm 

    Amazing that when a new contributor shows up, it is an echo of Delusional Davy. He must have a long list of sock puppets on the wall to keep track of all of the names he has used over the years.

    WIKI could use him as a perfect example of a hypocrite. But then, America is full of them. Arrogant, delusional hypocrites that is. LOL

  49. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 8:02 pm 

    For anybody that cares, I’m going to bed now to read the MAD magazine my kids got me last June. Only 11 3/4 pages left to go. It’s a heavy reed.

    dumbasses

  50. Davy on Fri, 8th Feb 2019 8:03 pm 

    Oops, sorry.. read

    Stupid cellphone spell chekker

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