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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal would reshape the economy in 10 years

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The millennial architects of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal appear to be drawing inspiration from the old mantra of their generation’s most iconic company: “Move fast and break things.”

That company, Facebook, has connected about a third of the world’s population in just over a decade. The insurgent political movement behind Ocasio-Cortez has something more ambitious in mind: remaking the planet’s largest economy in order to save the world from climate change.

As the the progressives begin to release the early sketches of their plan to create a zero-carbon economy, some policymakers and researchers worry the Green New Deal will literally break things. The concern is that Ocasio-Cortez’s plan to achieve climate goals in just 10 years will not only tee up defeat but unleash disruptions and unintended consequences that reverberate from U.S. power markets to Central African mines.

“Looking at something like 10 years, it’s not a lot of time to look around at what’s going on and react to it. If you give yourself a little more time, you have more opportunity to see what’s working and make tweaks to make sure you’re on the right path and accomplishing your policy objectives.” -Dr. Noah Kaufman, research scholar, Center on Global Energy Policy

In one possible scenario, a rapid transition creates vulnerabilities in the system that leave the nation exposed to power shortages during times of peak demand, like last week’s polar vortex. While conservatives have long evoked rolling blackouts as a bogeyman in the debate over renewable power, energy researchers do express concern about the time frame for achieving Ocasio-Cortez’s goals.

“From a vantage point like mine, they’re certainly outside the realm of what is achievable, and I’m not sure that by putting those proposals forth, we’re actually really moving the ball forward for the agenda,” said Francis O’Sullivan, head of research at the MIT Energy Initiative.

A Green New Deal would mobilize the nation’s capital — its money, manpower and know-how — to advance clean tech and overhaul the American energy and transportation sectors. The goal is to drive carbon dioxide and other greenhouse-gas emissions to zero and prevent the potentially catastrophic impacts of climate change.

Ocasio-Cortez and the progressive wing of the Democratic Party are the latest advocates for such a plan. Their vision also strives to achieve economic justice with proposals like a federal jobs guarantee, basic income and universal health care. Ocasio-Cortez and Democratic Sen. Edward Markey are expected to introduce legislation into both chambers of Congress to move the plan forward soon.

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The progressive coalition has yet to propose policies to reach this clean energy future, and Ocasio-Cortez has only floated ideas for how to pay for it — including a charge on carbon emissions and a 70 percent marginal tax rate for wealthy Americans. However, the coalition has set broad, ambitious goals:

  • Generate 100 percent of the nation’s electric power from renewable sources.
  • Build a national, energy-efficient “smart” electric power grid.
  • Upgrade every residential and industrial building for energy efficiency.
  • Eliminate greenhouse-gas emissions from the transportation sector, as well as from farms, factories and other industries.
  • Fund “massive” investment, and make the U.S. a leading exporter of clean-tech products and services.

In her proposal to establish a House select committee, Ocasio-Cortez said she wants to hit the targets within 10 years of passing legislation authorizing a Green New Deal.

To be sure, the goals are not promises, said Demond Drummer, executive director at New Consensus, the think tank charged with fleshing out the deal and other progressive policies.

“We’re not promising anything. We’re setting a goal,” he said. “We’re setting a goal, and we’re going to get there.”

“Ten years is the statement. It really communicates we need to take bold, aggressive action.”

Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s office declined to make the Congress member or an aide available for this story and did not respond to written questions.

Hitting mid-century goals by 2030

Policies aimed at achieving zero emissions have historically targeted mid-century for two reasons, according to Dr. Noah Kaufman, who studied pathways to decarbonization on the White House Council on Environmental Quality under President Barack Obama.

First, climate scientists generally believe cutting emissions by 80 percent to 100 percent by 2050 would allow nations to collectively prevent global temperatures from rising above 2 degrees Celsius by 2100, the headline goal of the 2015 Paris climate agreement. Beyond that threshold, climate scientists warn the impacts of global warming grow less predictable and perhaps exponentially more devastating.

Second, a longer timeline allows reductions to occur without major disruptions to the way companies and citizens go about their business. The 10-year target for Ocasio-Cortez’s goal, for example, would force utilities to shut down natural gas plants long before their useful life is over, said Kaufman, now a research scholar at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy.

Drummer confirms the Green New Deal would phase out all fossil fuel and nuclear plants, though he said it would be done “responsibly and justly.”

“The reason why we think it’s worth looking into is because the science says we actually don’t have 10 years. The science says this should have happened 10 years ago from yesterday,” Drummer said.

Drummer points to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s recent warning that “unprecedented changes” are necessary to meet the more ambitious goal of holding global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius. The world is on pace to exceed that level as soon as 2030, the Nobel Prize-winning panel composed of climate scientists said.

Policymakers and scholars tell CNBC a broad, overarching strategy to combat climate change is necessary, and they welcome the attention that Ocasio-Cortez has brought to the issue.

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Kaufman does not doubt the nation could drive emissions close to zero in 10 or 20 years, provided the United States treats climate change as a national emergency and reaches political consensus. However, he and others warn that a sudden, rapid transition could create problems that undermine green goals.

“Looking at something like 10 years, it’s not a lot of time to look around at what’s going on and react to it,” Kaufman said. “If you give yourself a little more time, you have more opportunity to see what’s working and make tweaks to make sure you’re on the right path and accomplishing your policy objectives.”

100 percent renewable power: “A really big stretch”

Currently, only some parts of the country, like California and Texas, are seeing renewables go from playing a marginal role in the power system to a meaningful role, said O’Sullivan, the MIT researcher.

“The idea of a wind and solar future — 100 percent in 10 years’ time — that’s a really big stretch in many places. A very considerably cleaner system in 10 years’ time, now that’s much more realistic in regions where you have some hydro, aggressive additional buildup of wind and solar and quite a bit of nuclear hanging out as well.”

Renewable-energy sources generated 17 percent of the country’s electric power in 2017, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Hydropower accounted for 7.4 percent, followed by wind at 6.4 percent. Solar contributed just 1.3 percent.

Meanwhile, nuclear power plants generated 20 percent of the nation’s electric power and 63 percent of its zero-carbon power.

Scaling up wind and solar power would require replacing hundreds of thousands of miles of transmission and distribution lines with high voltage wire, in addition to outfitting the infrastructure with sensors to create a smart grid.

O’Sullivan said the United States is “nowhere near” implementing a national smart grid, and he is skeptical the country could stand one up in 10 years. Building out that infrastructure is a tortuous process that entails navigating a thicket of stakeholders, from local landowners to federal regulators.

In 2011 the Electric Power Research Institute estimated the cost of a national smart grid, including storage, at $338 billion to $476 billion. EPRI said the grid would create $1.3 trillion to $2 trillion in economic benefits and cut emissions by nearly 60 percent from 2005 levels. EPRI, an independent nonprofit, is mostly funded by utilities.

Even at today’s modest levels, rapid deployment of renewables has created technical and market complications, said O’Sullivan. California solar and wind farms have curtailed large amounts of supply because they were generating more power than could be used or stored at times. The spike in renewable power also drove prices down to levels that create problems in power markets.

These complexities “are surmountable, but they are not surmountable in unrealistic time frames — in time frames that just do not mesh with the overall inertia of the system,” O’Sullivan said.

More batteries, more problems

The Green New Deal also requires installing systems to store energy when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.

The United States currently has 1.4 Gw of installed energy battery storage capacity, and it’s on pace to grow that capacity to 4 Gw by 2023, according to energy research firm Wood Mackenzie. That pencils out to 3 percent to 4 percent of the electric power the nation can generate.

“There is no solution for 100 percent renewable that doesn’t require massive amounts of storage,” said Daniel Finn-Foley, senior energy storage analyst at Wood Mackenzie Power and Renewables.

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That’s where the Green New Deal’s vision for electric power intersects with its transportation sector goal — replacing all internal combustion engine vehicles with electric vehicles. The dominant technology behind both EVs and electric power storage is lithium-ion batteries.

Wood Mackenzie forecasts that under current conditions, annual electric vehicle sales will reach 2.9 million by 2030, accounting for 16 percent of all lightweight vehicles sold in the United States.

Getting to 100 percent around 2030 would be a “huge” jump, and one that raises serious geopolitical, humanitarian and environmental concerns, said Ravi Manghani, director of storage research at Wood Mackenzie Power and Renewables.

That’s because lithium-ion batteries rely on rare earths like cobalt.

There are serious concerns about the environmental impacts on lithium-producing nations. Meanwhile, more than half of the world’s cobalt supply comes from the Democratic Republic of Congo, a central African nation with a record of instability and a history of child labor in the mining industry.

Lifting EV sales from 16 percent to 100 percent by 2030 would require a roughly five- to sixfold increase in mining, Manghani said. He is concerned that a huge surge in demand over a short period could incentivize environmental and labor abuses and even tip DRC further into instability.

One solution is to prioritize new battery technologies that use less cobalt, and certainly, the Green New Deal calls for mobilizing the nation on a scale similar to World War II and the Space Race to accelerate innovation.

Still, Drummer acknowledges that some technologies, like zero-carbon airplanes, are unlikely to emerge at commercial scale over the next decade.

“That may take 50 years, but the point is, we’ve got to try,” Drummer said. “We’re not moving currently with the urgency we need to be moving to actually address this existential threat.”

He added: “The unintended consequence of moving fast must be weighed with the known consequences of not moving fast enough.”

CNBC



178 Comments on "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal would reshape the economy in 10 years"

  1. Outcast_Searcher on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 3:02 pm 

    Even if this were possible in ten years (I have serious doubts, when real world economic constraints are looked at realistically), the usual key question needs to be asked: HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT?

    Until I see something more serious on that front than pretending that greatly raising taxes on the very rich, resulting in all sorts of capital fight, incorporations, trusts, etc. to counteract that), it’s mostly politics as usual.

  2. Outcast_Searcher on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 3:03 pm 

    capital flight, not fight. Again, I HATE the inability to edit posts here.

  3. Cloggie on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 3:50 pm 

    “There is no solution for 100 percent renewable that doesn’t require massive amounts of storage,” said Daniel Finn-Foley, senior energy storage analyst at Wood Mackenzie Power and Renewables.

    41% annual primary energy consumption, to be precise.

    HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT?

    Much higher taxes and much higer prices for energy. It is not just 100% renewable electricity in 15 years, apart from that a basic income for all and universal healthcare.

    Pay up, whitey!

    Interesting that mobster’s heroine Ocasio-Cortez, doesn’t share his peak oil doom baloney.

    Don’t worry, he is not going to hold it against her.

  4. JuanP on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 5:23 pm 

    “The insurgent political movement behind Ocasio-Cortez has something more ambitious in mind: remaking the planet’s largest economy in order to save the world from climate change.”

    Good. Luck. With. That! I envy their ignorance, innocence, and optimism, though, no matter how misplaced. There are a lot of idealists like them in the Permaculture and small scale organic farming world, too. They have absolutely no frigging idea what awaits them. Anyone who thinks that the future will be better than the present in an overpopulated world that adds more than 80 million people to our population every year and is running out of resources and facing Climate Change is living in Lalaland.

  5. makati1 on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 5:36 pm 

    More evidence that the US has regressed into delusional insanity on a country wide scale. Odds are good that the US will not even exist in 10 years as a nation we would recognize as 1st world. 3rd world is more likely.

  6. Davy on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 7:06 pm 

    AOC is a fake green power hungry lib. Her platform is way too radical to succeed. I don’t think she even understands the renewable transition process. Shock treatment is not going to make it happen unless you have the people on board. They are not on board. Most people don’t care that much about renewables. Her socialistic social justice ticket will trip and fall too. It is clear the rich have to shoulder more but her plan is again way too extreme. I am hoping Tulsi Gabbard has a moderate plan for what ails this country. I want to know more about her. I was impressed by her trip to Syria. She is who I am interested in. Nothing is going to fix this country but the rot can be reduced but modest efforts and avoiding bad decisions. AOC is a bad decision.

  7. JuanP on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 9:29 pm 

    Davy “I am hoping Tulsi Gabbard has a moderate plan for what ails this country. I want to know more about her. I was impressed by her trip to Syria. She is who I am interested in. Nothing is going to fix this country but the rot can be reduced by modest efforts and avoiding bad decisions.”

    On this I agree with Davy.

  8. Davy on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 9:37 pm 

    Cortez would get my vote if she wasn’t going after us 1%ers. That makes me even more angry than usual.

  9. Lester the Molester on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 10:34 pm 

    JuanP & Davy = Two sides of the same coin.

    An interesting duality in the attraction of polar opposites. Viewed in terms of a circle, unity is most closely related to forces in direct opposition.

    Most fascinating contradiction.

  10. DavySkum Law of Perfect Opposition on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 10:43 pm 

    The DavySkum Law of Perfect Opposition:

    Davy is the ideal representation of a perfect opposite indicator.

    When Skum tells you to do A, always do Z.

    When Skum tells you not to do A, always do A.

    In this scenario, you are assured of making the correct decision.

    The DavySkum Law of Perfect Opposition, So it is written and so it shall be done.

  11. fmr-paultard on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 10:49 pm 

    Come on guys, let’s kiss and make-up.

  12. Cloggie on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 11:59 pm 

    End of history no more. Francis Fukuyama, the sucker of the libtard One World establishment, has to admit that the liberal order, as promoted by the US-led West, is under massive threat.:

    http://www.pi-news.net/2019/02/francis-fukuyama-und-die-re-nationalisierung-der-welt/

    (all German)

    Fukuyama is paddling back:
    – yes nationalism is on the rise
    – there is a dangerous polarization between
    – globalism has lost its appeal
    – politics and media have overdone political correctness

    I have never been impressed by this Japanese, who told what the establishment wanted to hear.

    I was electrified though when I got a German copy of Samuel Huntington’s Clash of Vivilisation in my hands in a bookshop in Munich, where I was working at the time, early 2000’s.

    In 2019, it looks like Huntington, not Fukuyama, is gradually been proven right, especially with Islam, but also with the US.

    in 2005 he had to amend his 1995 Clash vision, of a united West, competing with other blocks. He began to warn that unrestridted immigration would pose a grave danger for the chances for survival of the US itself:

    https://www.amazon.com/Who-Are-We-Challenges-Americas/dp/0684870541/ref=sr_1_3

    “Who are we?”

    For Huntington the wishful thinking answer was: “WASPs”

    But in 2019 we know that is a passed station. The Clash has entered the US itself and it won’t go away, not until After the Break. Trump: “we won’t go friendly in the night”. This plus Brexit offers the massive opportunity for continental Europe to finally break away from the western prison and libtard ideology that is killing us all. Its time to begin to weaponize and prepare for the return of history, Fukuyama be damned, and continue where we left off in 1945 and redefine the white world on our, continental European, terms… slightly more right-wing, slightly less multicult and George Soros been given the boot. Oh and Russia brought in, this time on our side. That changes everything. And a quiet, non-advertised, backroom nod to the Chinese about who gets what, after empire.

    You want war, Boris Johnson?
    Because no-deal Brexit means war.

  13. Cloggie on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 12:00 am 

    there is a dangerous polarization between BETWEEN LEFT AND RIGHT

  14. print baby print on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 3:04 am 

    Clog dont be stupid it’s have nothing to do with left and right anymore
    This hasn’t anything about equality anymore, They want to rule but it is good they are at open now. The women try to revenge for patriarchy and it is not good, because they will provoke men but so be it. And they dont get it they are a grinding meat to the corporation ( cheap labor) , the same as men are . What do you think why Trum support them , damn son of a bitch care only about money, but that is a trend. I think Without , family , father mother the society is screwed, but time will tell

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/congresswomen-wear-white-2019-state-union-send-trump-message-loud-clear-013841681.html

  15. More juanp bullshit on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 4:43 am 

    Davy on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 9:37 pm
    Lester the Molester on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 10:34 pm
    DavySkum Law of Perfect Opposition on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 10:43 pm

    “WORDS OF THE MENTALLY ILL JUANP”
    “Cortez would get my vote if she wasn’t going after us 1%ers. That makes me even more angry than usual. JuanP & Davy = Two sides of the same coin. An interesting duality in the attraction of polar opposites. Viewed in terms of a circle, unity is most closely related to forces in direct opposition. Most fascinating contradiction. The DavySkum Law of Perfect Opposition: Davy is the ideal representation of a perfect opposite indicator. When Skum tells you to do A, always do Z. When Skum tells you not to do A, always do A. In this scenario, you are assured of making the correct decision. The DavySkum Law of Perfect Opposition, So it is written and so it shall be done.”

  16. Davy on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 4:45 am 

    “JuanP on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 9:29 pm
    Davy “I am hoping Tulsi Gabbard has a moderate plan for what ails this country. I want to know more about her. I was impressed by her trip to Syria. She is who I am interested in. Nothing is going to fix this country but the rot can be reduced by modest efforts and avoiding bad decisions.” On this I agree with Davy.”

    The difference is it matters to me I am a natural born citizen. You are a disgusting illegal alien leach anti-American bitch. Go home to your country.

  17. Davy on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 4:59 am 

    “fmr-paultard on Tue, 5th Feb 2019 10:49 pm
    Come on guys, let’s kiss and make-up.”

    Paultard, I have made it abundantly clear to the bitch that I will ignore him if he ignores me. This is for the sake of a clean board but this narcissistic cunt is triggered and fixated on me. This is fine for me because it means another extremist anti-American bites the dust of irrelevancy. Juanp contributes more than most and it is mostly his nati-Davy noise. About 1% is real comments with knowledge to share. He is a waack nut and belongs in an institution.

  18. fmr-paultard on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 5:45 am 

    supertard I notice large uptick in ur negativity. Red devils and yellow jackets are prescribed for u. always 3 sides to a story- ur side, his side, and the right side.

    supertards weeping and mopping around feeling sorry for urself is waste of time.

    ur losing respect

  19. Davy on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 5:51 am 

    months of identity theft and sock puppeteering tends to do this, JuanP. LOL, I should have known. You like playing games don’t you. Now it is fmr-paultard sock day. Juan just say something. The noise runs people off.

  20. JuanP on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 7:22 am 

    Delusional Davy “The difference is it matters to me I am a natural born citizen. You are a disgusting illegal alien leach anti-American bitch. Go home to your country.”

    It matters to both of us, fool! Your being born in the USA was not something you chose, it just happened to you without any involvement on your part. My decision to come live in the USA was, on the other hand, a conscious decision I made as a willing adult. Who was more involved with his being here, you or me? I will stay in the USA for as long as I feel like it, widdle impotent pussy! IT IS NOT UP TO YOU! LOL!

  21. JuanP on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 7:28 am 

    Delusional Davy “months of identity theft and sock puppeteering tends to do this, JuanP. LOL, I should have known. You like playing games don’t you. Now it is fmr-paultard sock day. Juan just say something. The noise runs people off.”

    You have repeatedly admitted here that you engage in identity theft and sock puppeteering, so you have no right to complain about it. I, on the other hand, have never engaged in either of those stupid behaviors. Nobody ran off more people from this website than you, Davy! You have literally ran off hundreds, if not thousands, with your constant bullying, lying, and whining. Stop being a pussy and fight and use your own identity, coward!

  22. JuanP on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 7:32 am 

    Delusional Davy “I have made it abundantly clear to the bitch that I will ignore him if he ignores me.”

    And I have made it repeatedly clear that I will ignore you if you stop bullying, attacking others, and behaving like a whining widdle pussy.

  23. Davy on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 7:32 am 

    Tulsi surfs just like Juan does. I like woman that surfs. Men that surfs make me upset and jealous.

  24. JuanP on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 7:34 am 

    Delusional Davy “This is for the sake of a clean board but this narcissistic cunt is triggered and fixated on me.”

    You are lying and projecting again, Exceptionalist! LOL!

  25. JuanP on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 7:36 am 

    Delusional Davy “He is a waack nut and belongs in an institution.”

    If there ever was a projection …
    ROFLMFAO!

  26. Davy on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 7:38 am 

    Bullshit hour with the intellectual cunt JuanP starts

  27. JuanP on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 7:43 am 

    Delusional Davy “Bullshit hour with the intellectual cunt JuanP starts.”

    Bullshit eternity with foremost American Exceptionalist Delusional Davy never ends! ROFLMFAO!

  28. Free Speech Message Board on Wed, 6th Feb 2019 10:49 am 

    The US used to love personal responsibility, freedom, morality, peace, and balanced budgets.

    Americans are now embracing welfare, tyranny, immorality, war, and debt.

    Some Americans are not adjusting well to the changes and the hypocrisy.

    You just need to go outside to see the insanity. Have you noticed the panhandlers, the illegal immigrants, the cashier high on drugs, a black man using his fingers while pretending to shoot you, the homosexual in the gym shower leering at you, the white man spitting, the fat girl wearing pajamas at the supermarket, and the old lady driving slow on purpose in the parking lot talking to herself?

    People living in the US would think this was normal, but Americans don’t realize how far the USA has fallen until they travel abroad.

    Being a fat, tattooed single mother in Vietnam would be shameful.

    http://www.peopleofwalmart.com

    How can Americans sleep at night while the US collapses or look in the mirror now without feeling disgusted?

    http://www.campidiot.com/ci/viewforum.php?id=28

  29. Tim on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 4:36 am 

    Unfortunately, the good ship environment sailed off a long time, people were too busy arguing to notice.

  30. kanon on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 7:20 am 

    outcast_searcher: Even if this were possible in ten years (I have serious doubts, when real world economic constraints are looked at realistically), the usual key question needs to be asked: HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT?

    Such a typical point of the status quo defenders — the real question is this: The banking cartel controls the money system and if they don’t support an idea, how are you going to get any money to pay for it? Why has the fracking industry never made a profit, yet has no lack of funding. Look at the military industrial complex for huge losses (except for the privileged), and also look at the banking cartel financial system itself — there was no problem paying trillions for Quantitative Easing. The fact is the ruling class power structure is built on debt and fossil fuels. The “cost” of the Green New Deal is the ruling class will be deposed. So the royalists will deny, obstruct, and delay. But global warming will continue apace. The truly relevant question is whether we adapt in time or are caught unprepared in a collapse scenario, such as extensive drought or a huge war.

  31. Sissyfuss on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 8:44 am 

    Kanon, do you see any of the necessary changes that were needed 20 years ago now being scaled up? Human nature being what it is, we will have to be forced to change our breeding and consumption practices. Denial and procrastination are the easy road to ruin and the chosen path of the many. If we were a rational species we wouldn’t have arrived here on the edge of extinction.

  32. Sissyfuss on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 4:48 pm 

    AOC is popular as the latest iteration of the youth movement. The underemployed and overdebted young see what’s happening to their future and they’re starting to mobilize. If they see how meager their share is going to be they might decide to go back into mom’s basement eventually wondering why the Xbox went dead.

  33. NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 5:12 pm 

    she will cause massive suicide of whiteys because once her green vision is mandated, anything whiteys own that doesn’t conform to this vision would have to be destroyed or decommissioned

  34. makati1 on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 5:41 pm 

    Sissyfuss, the US government is fast becoming a collection of bought-off freaks, psychopaths and liars. The next 21 months of the pre-election cycle is going to look like the inmates have escaped from the psycho ward.

    When you look at what should be the top intelligent, rational, and honest people in the country and see just the opposite, you see proof that the American serfs have devolved into similar mindsets. Dumbed down, brainwashed tax slaves, lining up for whomever promises the most bread and circus. The collapse of a once almost great country.

    I hope Trump wins reelection so that he can finish the US’ destruction/isolation. He is doing a fine job of that so far. GO TRUMP!

  35. NathanPhillipsAKAfmr-paultard on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 5:43 pm 

    aswang, having no feeling for family and ran to some remote island to be with bf is sign of a psychopath.

  36. makati1 on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 5:46 pm 

    The psychopath, Davy, just posted the aswang (whomever that is) comment. LMAO!

  37. JuanP on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 5:58 pm 

    Mak “The next 21 months of the pre-election cycle is going to look like the inmates have escaped from the psycho ward.”

    I am definitely not looking forward to it. I am still trying to recover from the previous election.

  38. makati1 on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 6:18 pm 

    JuanP, I’m seriously considering not ever going back to the States, even to visit family. I see a “national emergency” being declared and a police state lockdown in the US’ future. I don’t want to be caught on the wrong side of the fence/wall.

    My family and I keep in touch on the internet and by phone. Even if I lived in the States, that would be our main contact. They are scattered over numerous east Coast states. One daughter and her family is in Florida near Daytona Beach. Another in PA. Another in Virginia. Another family member in South Carolina. No car, not easy, or cheap, to visit them.

    So, I’ll just watch the ongoing Beltway Show from the shores of the Philippine’s 7,000+ islands. ^_^

  39. low life reunion on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 6:36 pm 

    makati1 on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 5:46 pm
    JuanP on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 5:58 pm
    makati1 on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 6:18 pm

    The psychopath, Davy, just posted the aswang (whomever that is) comment. LMAO! Mak “The next 21 months of the pre-election cycle is going to look like the inmates have escaped from the psycho ward

  40. good news on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 6:39 pm 

    “JuanP, I’m seriously considering not ever going back to the States, even to visit family.”

    Stay gone idiot. Maybe juanpee will leave and go back where he belongs.

  41. makati1 on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 6:48 pm 

    Davy, your sock puppets are so you that you cannot hide behind them. Delusional psycho, get help.

  42. Davy on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 6:52 pm 

    makato, i do not do sock puppets dumbass I do bad behavior alerts from you and your poop troop juanpee and annon. Go feed your monkeys old man. Maybe one will bite you and give you something.

  43. Davy on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 6:54 pm 

    BTW, thanks for never coming back to the US. Most would be glad low lifes like you are gone for good. Unfortunately when you can’t wipe your ass anymore they will likely ship you back on the taxpayers dime.

  44. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 7:24 pm 

    Jeff Bezos Says National Enquirer Exec Threatened To Publish “Dick Pick”

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c5cba1ce4b0a502ca33cfa4/amp?fbclid=IwAR1ZDsuz2vQZUKqvhRzW8aDobQQyF8Kq-uTtOI6TuvC7R68koidCuVTQQdA

    America has turned into an insane asylum run by the patients!

  45. makati1 on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 7:25 pm 

    Davy: ” i do not do sock puppets” LIAR!

    As for my US visits, I may or may not, but keep paying your taxes so I get my SS to spend on preps. Sunny and 82 here this AM. LMAO!

  46. makati1 on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 7:37 pm 

    BTW: The warmongering US is now planing to invade Venezuela to “save it for democracy”. The US suicide is gaining speed! Lets see…countries where the US is “saving democracy” at the moment: Iraq, Syria, Yemen, various African countries, and now Venezuela?

    The US national debt has passed $22,000,000,000,000.00 and speedily climbing. Trump has frayed most ties to US allies. Ended nuclear deterrent Agreements. Is fighting with his Chinese banker. And on and on. Go for it bitches! DEBT out the kazoo and no sane person in DC. LMAO!

  47. JuanP on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 7:40 pm 

    Mak “JuanP, I’m seriously considering not ever going back to the States, even to visit family. I see a “national emergency” being declared and a police state lockdown in the US’ future.”

    I can completely understand, Mak. The thought of being stuck in the USA when th SHTF is truly scary. I am ready to get on a plane or sailboat in an hour if necessary. I sold or repatriated all my money and property years ago. What little I have left in the USA is insignificant to me.

  48. JuanP on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 7:43 pm 

    Delusional Davy “makato, i do not do sock puppets dumbass I do bad behavior alerts from you and your poop troop juanpee and annon.”

    Davy admitted multiple times that he uses sock puppets not even a week ago! ROFLMFAO! He is far gone and never coming back! LOL!

  49. JuanP on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 7:45 pm 

    Delusional Davy “BTW, thanks for never coming back to the US. Most would be glad low lifes like you are gone for good.”

    That would be Davy and most of his multiple personalities. Some of them disagree! ROFLMFAO!

  50. I AM THE MOB on Thu, 7th Feb 2019 8:22 pm 

    Mak

    China has the worlds largest debt bubble..With their debt to GDP at over 300 percent..The US is only around 100 percent and they have the worlds reserve currency..And are about to be oil independent..We are never going to have to pay China back once they collapse..

    LOL

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