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A $240 Per Gallon Gas Tax To Fight Global Warming?

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  • A new U.N. report suggests a $240 per gallon gas tax equivalent is needed to fight global warming.
  • The U.N. says a carbon tax would need to be as high as $27,000 per ton in the year 2100.
  • If you think that’s unlikely to ever happen, you’re probably right.

A United Nations special climate report suggests a tax on carbon dioxide emissions would need to be as high as $27,000 per ton at the end of the century to effectively limit global warming.

For Americans, that’s the same as a $240 per gallon tax on gasoline in the year 2100, should such a recommendation were adopted. In 2030, the report says a carbon tax would need to be as high as $5,500 — that’s equivalent to a $49 per gallon gas tax.

If you think that’s an unlikely scenario, you’re probably not wrong. However, it’s what the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s report, released Sunday night, sees as a policy option for reducing emissions enough to keep projected warming below 1.5 degrees Celsius.

The IPCC’s report is meant to galvanize political support for doubling down on the Paris climate accord ahead of a U.N. climate summit scheduled for December. The report calls for societal changes that are “unprecedented in terms of scale” in order to limit future global warming to below 1.5 degrees Celsius, the stretch goal of the Paris accord.

However, the costs of meeting that goal are high based on the IPCC’s own figures. (RELATED: Here’s What The Media Won’t Tell You About The U.N.’s New Climate Report)

In order to effectively keep future warming below 1.5 degrees Celsius, the IPCC says carbon taxes would need to range from $135 to $5,500 per ton in 2030, $245 to $13,000 per ton in 2050, $420 to $17,000 per ton in 2070 and $690 to $27,000 per ton in 2100.

To meet the goals of the Paris accord, which seeks to limit future warming to below 2 degrees Celsius, the IPCC says carbon taxes would have range between $10 and $200 in 2030 and $160 and $2,125 in 2100.

That’s equivalent to a gas tax as high as $1.70 per gallon in 2030 to nearly $19 per gallon at the end of the century. That’s less onerous than limiting warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius, but still no walk in the park.

California and many European countries have policies to price carbon dioxide emissions and mandate green energy, including cap-and-trade systems and carbon taxes. But carbon prices under those systems are nowhere near where the IPCC says they need to be.

The IPCC said the “price of carbon would need to increase significantly when a higher level of stringency is pursued.” However, the group’s report tacitly acknowledges the unlikelihood that governments will enact astronomical taxes on energy.

“While the price of carbon is central to prompt mitigation pathways compatible with 1.5 [degree Celsius]-consistent pathways, a complementary mix of stringent policies is required,” reads the IPCC’s report.

In the U.S., Republican lawmakers overwhelmingly passed a resolution opposed to carbon taxes in July. Democrats called for a price on carbon dioxide in their 2016 party platform, but they haven’t made much effort on that front since the failure of cap-and-trade legislation in 2010.

Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo of Florida introduced carbon tax legislation shortly after all but five of his GOP colleagues in the House voted to oppose such a bill. Curbelo’s bill would tax carbon dioxide at $23 a ton — nowhere near what the IPCC calls for.

However, the IPCC suggested a lower carbon tax could be used in conjunction with command and control policies, like regulations and bans on coal plants, could achieve “generate a 1.5˚C pathway for the U.S. electric sector.”

But that point only serves to undermine Curbelo’s bill, which would put a moratorium on some environmental regulations and possibly eliminate some if emissions goals are reached.

The IPCC noted the “literature indicates that the pricing of emissions is relevant but needs to be complemented with other policies to drive the required changes in line with 1.5°C-consistent cost-effective pathways.”

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71 Comments on "A $240 Per Gallon Gas Tax To Fight Global Warming?"

  1. Chrome Mags on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 12:14 pm 

    “A United Nations special climate report suggests a tax on carbon dioxide emissions would need to be as high as $27,000 per ton at the end of the century to effectively limit global warming.”

    What good is a tax on carbon in the year 2100, after temps and sea level have already risen sharply and feedbacks have jolted the climate into a harsh climate? Isn’t it too late then?

    What about starting off with just a dime a gallon? That’s at least a start and ‘IF’ the money was used for subsidizing renewables (instead of filling pockets of corrupt politicians), it might make a small difference. Then it can later be slowly adjust up to a quarter. Imagine how much money there would be available for renewables if a quarter came from every gallon of fuel used. That’s probably all it would take to put the transition into high gear.

    There’s an old saying; “Its a cinch by the inch, but hard by the yard.” A dime is a cinch, so start there.

  2. Bob Inget on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 12:36 pm 

    By 2021 VW, Nissan, GM etc will show units with twice the range of today’s Tesla.

    W/O long term investments with tiny pay-offs,
    oil industry, pipelines, can’t reinvest.
    No capex, no oil.

    Then, there’s the case of the disappearing coastlines. Exxon just hung a ‘For Sale’ sign on all
    its Gulf Coast refineries. Thats a huge ‘tell’.

    Due to AGW this Hurricane season got a late start.

  3. Davy on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 12:44 pm 

    Taxes are part of the answer as well as regulations. Bad behavior and poor lifestyles can be modified in a variety of different ways. Education has to be part of it. Taxes and regulations are easier implemented when education is part of the process. Expecting market forces to solve these issues is humorous. Market forces without taxes, regulations, and education is just a license to steal. I don’t see much happening on this front because once difficult times happen the motivation will be for relief not more control. This is probably why now is a critical time to see these efforts started.

  4. Anonymouse1 on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 12:52 pm 

    If anyone here knows anything about bad behavior and a poor ‘lifestyle’, it would be you, exceptionaltard.

    Listen to voice of experience everyone!

  5. dave thompson on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 1:14 pm 

    Abrupt climate change is a predicament. What part of “predicament” don’t people understand?

  6. I AM THE MOB on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 1:18 pm 

    Davy

    What the hell would you know about education? You are an uneducated stupid hick farmer from jesus land..Who spreads disinformation from a doomer porn site..

    LOL

  7. I AM THE MOB on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 1:23 pm 

    Peak Oil may keep Climate Change in Check

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/peak-oil-may-keep-catastrophic-climate-change-in-chec

  8. Davy on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 1:58 pm 

    “If anyone here knows anything about bad behavior and a poor ‘lifestyle’, it would be you, exceptionaltard.”

    a-none1, got an examples? We have many examples on you though. Your comments tell your story. Nothing in your comments but rubbish which is your story.

  9. Davy on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 1:59 pm 

    “What the hell would you know about education?”

    LOL, tell us about your internet PHD you got…that got you a job at the mall selling ATT phones.

  10. pinkdotR on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 4:11 pm 

    @I AM THE MOB – Thank you for linking this article. I will just correct the link:

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/peak-oil-may-keep-catastrophic-climate-change-in-check/

    That is exactly what I thought recently. Peak oil might save us from destroying our planet. It will cause total collapse of our economy, hunger and wars. Most of us will not survive it but it is still a better scenario than turning Mother Earth into a furnace that will burn all of us.

  11. Seaharvester on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 5:06 pm 

    I rarely comment due to the low quality of the comments…
    But maybe it will stop the no mind head bashing, for a moment, anyway, to point out the writer appears to get his math way, way wrong.
    Eg $27000/2000 lbs carbon = $13.50/lb carbon x 6.4 lbs/gallon = approx. $80.00/gallon carbon tax. At this point I could not take seriously the rest of the article, as the author does not appear to be the least critical of the assumptions he digests for our supposed benefit.
    This website could serve a serious purpose ie careful review of salient energy news by people with the training to sep. wheat from chaffe, good info from bad.
    Instead its comments are an echo chamber of endless idiocy.
    I remember two of you commenters from the oil drum days, back then I looked forward to your input.
    For shame.

  12. onlooker on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 5:15 pm 

    That is exactly what I thought recently. Peak oil might save us from destroying our planet. It will cause total collapse of our economy, hunger and wars. Most of us will not survive it but it is still a better scenario than turning Mother Earth into a furnace that will burn all of us.–
    Hopefully, but I see two problems. One, the GW seems to be now feeding on itself ie. feedbacks and two they’re is lots of natural gas and coal to further fill the Earth with greenhouse gases

  13. Seaharvester on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 5:20 pm 

    sarc off.
    Low quality of my comments!
    Sorry, my humor is in a strange place today.

  14. I AM THE MOB on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 5:24 pm 

    onlooker

    Coal cannot work without crude, crude cannot work without coal, natural gas cannot work without both oil and coal, Shale oil cannot work without any of those, and so on…etc.

    Also here is a peer reviewed scientific study which estimates all of the worlds fossil fuel resources..And concludes oil, coal, and gas are going to peak within the next decade..

    Projection of World Fossil Fuels by Country (Mohr, 2015)
    https://www.scribd.com/document/375110317/Projection-of-World-Fossil-Fuels-by-Country-Mohr-2015

  15. onlooker on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 5:32 pm 

    It is not like oil is going to disappear. The point being the Economies will flounder but we will burn anything and everything to keep the lights on figuratively and literally

  16. onlooker on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 6:00 pm 

    Sea, why don’t you visit more often, we need input from those with higher mental acuity

  17. makati1 on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 7:06 pm 

    MOB, coal was mined without oil for over a century. The English Empire was built on coal. BTW: “Scientific studies” are a joke on those who paid someone to teach them how to NOT think for themselves, i.e., college grads. LOL

  18. makati1 on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 7:07 pm 

    Onlooker, yep, we have fallen off the cliff of global warming and are gaining speed as we fall. There is nothing to stop it until…

  19. I AM THE MOB on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 7:37 pm 

    Mak

    There was around 6 times less people back then..And they used whale oil back then..

  20. makati1 on Mon, 8th Oct 2018 8:11 pm 

    MOB, and they still mined millions of tons of coal.

    Today, the average person consumes one ton of coal per year. I’m sure they consumed at least that much 100 years ago as most things were powered by coal them. Whale oil was used for lamps, not energy.

    https://www.worldcoal.org/coal/coal-mining
    http://www.petroleumhistory.org/OilHistory/pages/Whale/whale.html

    You are a perfect example of “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”.

  21. Outcast_Searcher on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 12:29 am 

    Sarah, you’re wrong. Look stuff up before criticizing.

    A gallon of gasoline produces roughly 20 pounds of CO2, despite weighing only about a third of that unburned. This is because the burning is a chemical reaction, combining two atoms of oxygen from the atmosphere with an atom of carbon from the gasoline.

    Plus, the ton used to measure CO2 is a metric ton, or about 2204 pounds.

    So it’s about 110 gallons of burned gasoline to create a metric ton of CO2.

    $27,000 / 110 gallons of gas = $245.45 per gallon tax. Since the 20 pound figure I was using is approximate, the $240 figure cited looks like a perfectly good back-of-the-envelope approximation.

    Don’t take my word for it. Try the US government official fuel economy site.

    The fact that all the “experts” here persist in their repetitive, mindless, comments (article after article after article) according to their script, but can’t do a little arithmetic and point this obvious error out says a lot, IMO.

  22. Outcast_Searcher on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 12:30 am 

    I forgot to post the link for the government hit I got searching Google on how much carbon burning a gallon of gasoline produces:

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/contentIncludes/co2_inc.htm

  23. Outcast_Searcher on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 12:34 am 

    LOL, I see I read the first part of seaharvester as Sarah. That’s what I get for not using my reading glasses at the PC.

  24. Seaharvester on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 12:32 pm 

    Outcast
    You are perfectly correct re carbon and fuel taxes. My apologies. I got up on the wrong side of bed today, and read carbon in the article rather than cabon dioxide.
    I have too many rods and screws in my body to wake up completely comfortable, I should have known better than to hit the comment button so soon after awakening!
    My feelings re the comments on this site are my actual feelings creeping out without proper screening. I must say though that it was in reference to the general nature of comments for the past few months (years?), not the comments for today. Perhaps today is when my disappointment ends. Apologies to anyone unjustly painted with a course brush.

  25. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 12:46 pm 

    triggering libs is the only thing that matters

    https://imgur.com/a/KEQNlJv

  26. peakyeast on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 12:51 pm 

    Seems rather optimistic to think there will be a “gas” tax in 2100.

    But then again perhaps not, but surely not “gas” as we think of today.

  27. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 12:53 pm 

    A Big Blue Wave Could Overwhelm The GOP’s Advantage In The House

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-big-blue-wave-could-overwhelm-the-gops-advantage-in-the-house/amp/

  28. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 1:37 pm 

    Oil prices are ‘entering the red zone,’ warns International Energy Agency chief

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/oil-prices-are-entering-the-red-zone-warns-international-energy-agency-chief-2018-10-09

  29. Cloggie on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 2:14 pm 

    Dutch government loses court case, initiated by Urgenda Foundation. Court orders the government to reach its goal of 25% less CO2 in 2020 as compared to 1990. In the best case it will be only 23% less, because of the outright booming economy during the past years:

    https://nos.nl/artikel/2254129-wat-moet-het-kabinet-doen-na-de-urgenda-uitspraak.html

    Urgenda is a club that aims to get the Netherlands carbon-free by 2030, not in 2050, the official EU-goal.

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2017/01/03/netherlands-sustainable-by-2030/

    The Dutch government accepts the verdict, although it doesn’t recognize the authority of the judge to decide in these matters.

  30. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 2:42 pm 

    Clogg

    Booming economy you say? I think not..

    Netherlands Economy (GDP) Per Capita

    1965 7.1

    1973 4.5

    1989 3.7

    1996 3.0

    2016 1.6

    2028 0.0 > Economic Collapse

    Source: World Bank
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locati&locations=NL

  31. Cloggie on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 2:56 pm 

    I don’t care what you “think”, millimind.

    Here the facts:

    https://economie.rabobank.com/publicaties/2018/maart/groei-nederlandse-economie-onverminderd-hoog/

    https://www.nu.nl/economie/5132123/hoogste-groei-nederlandse-economie-in-tien-jaar-tijd.html

    Growth Dutch economy:

    2017 – 3.1%
    2018 – 3.1%
    2019 – 2.5% (Brexit)

  32. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 3:32 pm 

    Clogg

    2017 2.5%

    Source: World Bank
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locati&locations=NL

    Per captia GDP is more accurate because it includes the entire population..

    Nice 2012 recession..Two in the last decade..And headed for another major one here real soon..

    LMFAO!

  33. I AM THE MOB on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 3:34 pm 

    Clogg

    3% GDP is below the global average of 3.7%..You are crowing that your economy is booming when its below average?

    You nazi’s are the dumbest white people in the world..

    LMFAO!

  34. Cloggie on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 4:00 pm 

    That’s because babies growth faster than adults. Holland now #13 in gdp/capita ranking, two places behind the US. If the US loses the reserve currency it will lose 35-40% GDP and Europe will be #1 again.

    But hey millimind, keep watching growth rates of the likes of Congo for us.lol

  35. Davy on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 4:08 pm 

    If the Euro comes apart what will that do to your postage stamp for a country, neder? lol. You haven’t thought that one through have you?

  36. Theedrich on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 4:21 pm 

    The Dems and Rinos want planetary death.  Forget the oil issue.  Their lust for power leads them to accept the exploding narcotic epidemic in America with aplomb and to let it destroy the entire population.  They put on façades of legislation which they allege will “combat” the horror, but give absolutely no sign of understanding the existential crisis now facing the nation, which they continually downplay.  For instance, over ninety percent of the heroin and deadly fentanyl entering the country comes from China and Mexico.  Our “leadership” knows this, but refuses to build a wall against Mexico or stop the Chinese exports through multiple channels into the U.S.

    The reasons are clear:  the politicians are bribed by all kinds of businesses (and by squids such as Sörös) to let in cheap labor, regardless of the accompanying lethality.  To the nihilistic powers in control, the death of vast numbers of people through overdoses (never mind incapacitation through sublethal addiction) is simply a cost of doing business.  And some of that bribe money comes surreptitiously through the international crime networks themselves.

    Doctors overprescribe, and state legislators are always mysteriously behind in their reactions.  There are large numbers of exploitative people running “recovery” operations.  We keep giving Mexico over $300 million in foreign aid each year, and that country gets about $32 billion in remittances from its citizens working in the U.S.  The main center of the narcotics industry in Mexico is Jalisco state, but the Mexican federal government does virtually nothing about it, sometimes even coddling it.  Today in America even 8- and 9-year-old children are addicted, and orphanages are filling up with many thousands of children whose parents have died from drugs.  The horror continues.  See https://www.c-span.org/video/?452538-4/women-trump-discussion-opioid-epidemic for details.

    The refusal to put major drug dealers to death after their capture is justified by “American values” or some such tripe.  Meanwhile, the curse grows, with 195 people a day now dying from overdoses in America.  That figure is expanding with compound interest.

    Ain’t anti-White democracy wunnerful?

  37. Cloggie on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 4:30 pm 

    The euro will not come apart and even if it would, we’ll reintroduce the guilder, a currency historically harder than the Deutschmark.

    But keep dreaming of Europe falling apart, in contrast to you, we have a future:

    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/1049693068188823552

    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/1049668532819001345

    Keep fighting “racism” for us, you’re doing great!

  38. Davy on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 7:30 pm 

    LOL, neder, “the euro will not come apart”. You sound so sure of yourself like you are an expert or a genie. How about the euro zone coming apart because that is what is coming if the euro comes apart? OOPs, then let’s talk about gdp/capita ranking. Nope, neder, I don’t want to see Europe fall apart but I do enjoy seeing your head spin and your teeth grind. Why, because you are one of those chauvinistic pigs that wishes harm to others and seeks praise for himself. Your Euro has an uncertain future but you can imagine that.

    BTW, WTF, that have to do with racism you racist pig.

  39. DerHundistLos on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 9:37 pm 

    Theedrich-

    You are such a misinformed lout. You know nothing of America.

    “Their lust for power leads them to accept the exploding narcotic epidemic in America with aplomb and to let it destroy the entire population.”

    Proof? Evidence? Nope. Just more shit pulled from your fat ass.

    “Doctors overprescribe”

    More crap pulled from your fat ass. Try telling this to the millions of good Americans who suffer from chronic pain or terminal disease who are no longer able to obtain a prescription due to their physician being frightened into refusing all scripts regardless of need.

    Your solution. Continue the 48 year long failed War on Drugs with more BAU at the cost of tens of billions of dollars lost and millions of non-violent drug offenders over-loading OUR prison system with longer sentences then violent offenders due to Mandatory Drug Sentnecing laws. Billions of dollars stolen from law abiding citizens due to the Asset Forfeiture Laws that allow cops to seize cash and assets merely based on a suspicion. It matters not if the victim is innocent. The only way to recover property is by suing the government.

    Thedrich, there’s nothing worse than an old, misinformed, right-wing crank from a foreign country who knows better how to govern the American system. You need to mind your own damn business- you got plenty of your own problems to manage in England.

  40. Cloggie on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 10:55 pm 

    TheHound: “Thedrich, there’s nothing worse than an old, misinformed, right-wing crank from a foreign country”

    Theedrich a (non-US) foreigner? Isn’t he just like you an American identifying with his German roots? He knows a little too much about America to be a foreigner.

    There is something worse “than an old, misinformed, right-wing crank from a foreign country”, namely an old, misinformed left-wing crank from Colombia, who thinks that in the current standoff between Dems and Reps, the Reps are the bad and Dems the good guys. Concepts like deep state, power structure, empire and ZOG are almost completely lost on you.

    What is good about you is that at least you have shown some empathy with the plight of the German people, although you are only putting your toenail in the cold water, afraid as you are to be branded a traitor by the forum’s selfstyled moderator, a motivation blissfully lacking in makati.lol

  41. Cloggie on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 11:13 pm 

    “BTW, WTF, that have to do with racism you racist pig.”

    The idiot from the Ozarks keeps thinking that shouting “racist” and “natzi” has any effect on me, where in reality he is the spineless fool, who is blowing up his own country with his virtue signaling and lack of resolve to defend his country against a hostile takeover, making our hillbilly one of the new Indians of the 21st century, who will end up in a reserve in Italy, feeling a total stranger.

  42. makati1 on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 11:23 pm 

    Cloggie, the so called ‘moderator’ is a dog with no teeth as we all know. He is delusional and a stanch supporter of his Neocon government’s baby killing war machine. He cannot cope with reality or even entertain the possibility that he lives in a growing shithole of a country. The hypocritical ‘frog in the pot’. Well, the heat is turning up and the boiling point will soon be reached. Will he jump out to another shithole, Italy? We shall see.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/italy-financial-crisis-deutsche-bank-2017-9
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/05/soros_warns_of_major_financial_crisis_as_italys_political_problems_roil_the_eu.html

    And the beat goes on…

  43. DerHundistLos on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 11:55 pm 

    Cloggie:

    To borrow from Davy, shut-up.

    Stop making this about communism or whatever it is you are preaching.

    I responded to his antiquated and bankrupt recommendations for how the US should approach drugs. His ideas have been proven to be entirely ineffective, counterproductive, and just plain wrong.

  44. DerHundistLos on Tue, 9th Oct 2018 11:59 pm 

    News flash Clogged……. Theedrich is a Brit. so cut the BS. You know this as well. Your suggestion that he knows too much about American politics to not be an American can be said about you or Antius. The two of you are more involved in US politics than 99% of the American public.

    You look foolish.

  45. DerHundistLos on Wed, 10th Oct 2018 12:03 am 

    Asset Forfeiture laws, Mandatory Drug Sentencing laws, the 48 year War on Drugs, the prison-industrial complex.

    These are specific issues I addressed. Go ahead, make the supportive arguments for these policies otherwise sit and spin.

  46. makati1 on Wed, 10th Oct 2018 1:17 am 

    Drug use by country:

    The US – 10.21/100,000 persons
    The Ps – 0.80/100,000 ”

    https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/drug-use/by-country/

    Detente’s war on drugs is more efficient and is working. A few thousand dealers killed, hundreds of thousands turning themselves in for rehab, tons of drugs confiscated and labs destroyed. But you won’t find any positives online. All you get are US MSM negative propaganda. He has his citizens support. They know drugs destroy people and families and want it gone. He has my support also, not that it matters. lol

    BTW: US drug death stats: ~72,000 in 2017 alone.

    https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates

    “Drugs continue to pour into the country (US) from numerous sources despite the efforts of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), law enforcement agencies, border patrols, and the United States government. Illegal drug abuse costs American society $181 billion a year in health care costs, lost workplace productivity, law enforcement, and legal costs.[3] Prisons are overflowing with drug-related offenders, as 330,000 prison inmates in 2012 were incarcerated for drug offenses.[4] Over 30 percent of all offenses in 2013 were related to drug trafficking, and 22,215 cases of drug trafficking were reported to the United States Sentencing Commission in the 2013 fiscal year.”

    https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/drug-addiction/drug-trafficking-by-the-numbers/

    ~4,000 dealer deaths in two years in the Ps vs ~72,000 drug overdose deaths in one year in the US. Who is winning the “war on Drugs”? lmao

  47. Theedrich on Wed, 10th Oct 2018 1:41 am 

    Excellent post, Mak.  Here in Yankeeland the politicians are making too much bribe money to care about the opioid catastrophe.  I only wish we had someone like Detente in control here.  Instead, the much-ballyhooed “checks and balances” produce nothing but stalemate (i.e., you scratch my back, and I’ll scratch yours).  Which means vastly more death than in the Philippines.

  48. makati1 on Wed, 10th Oct 2018 2:05 am 

    Thanks Theedrich. The US now has a “for profit” incarceration system, not the old, government managed one. Those millions of cells have to be kept full of anyone who even jaywalks. And, the US has more lawyers than the rest of the world combined. About one per every 300 Americans. They have to make a living somehow. As I keep telling my partner here, “It’s ALL about $$$!”.

    Who knows better who is selling drugs than the addicts and their families? How quick would the drug problem be solved in the US if the victim, or his father or brother, could kill the pusher without worrying about going to jail? I suspect the change would be drastic. Yes, there may be a few innocents killed, but…72,000 per year? Not likely!

  49. Cloggie on Wed, 10th Oct 2018 2:08 am 

    To borrow from Davy, shut-up.

    Discussion board is not your thing, eh?

    News flash Clogged……. Theedrich is a Brit. so cut the BS. You know this as well. Your suggestion that he knows too much about American politics to not be an American can be said about you or Antius. The two of you are more involved in US politics than 99% of the American public.

    You look foolish.

    Theedrich a Brit?! I admit I never picked-up any self-reference from Theedrich, but I never encountered a Brit with a German-sounding nick.

    Aaaand…. he called Britain “Slimey Limey” the other day.lol Not even a very rare white-nationalist Brit like Antius, who openly despairs about his country, would ever call himself like that.

    There is only one looking foolish and that is you.

    Theedrich on Wed, 10th Oct 2018 1:41 am

    Excellent post, Mak. Here in Yankeeland

    LOL

    How is the weather in your new found homeland, Colombia, sidestepping from brewing CW2? You’re back at where your ancestors were when they moved to America. White Americans: people without a homeland. And if we continental Europeans do not get rid of Anglos at the first opportunity, we will suffer the same fate.

    We’re working on it.

    https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1049347229931196416

    White Americans have only two options: either remain a kosher-oligarch colony like today or become absorbed again into the European world again as a junior partner… “after the break”. If you are lucky the second option will materialize, but that only happens if you pick up arms rather than run off to Colombia or Italy.

  50. DerHundistLos on Wed, 10th Oct 2018 2:35 am 

    The Killing Fields of the Philippines
    12,000 Targeted Killings
    Public Protests Over Duterte’s Killing of Children:

    Madkat, before you criticize the US you need to first recognize you live in a country where the rule of law is meaningless. All I can say is thank God I live in a country where the president cannot, dispatch heavily armed paramilitary drug squads to carry out targeted killings of journalists, university students, and children. Once the public has had enough and the rule of law is enforced, the heavily armed paramilitary death squads will be out of work, but will not voluntarily turn in their weapons. Instead, they will continue what they do best by turning to violent crime.

    Furthermore, the regressive tactics of Duterte has resulted in an epidemic of new HIV infections as well as Hepatitis, HPV. The future resulting cases of cancer and premature death will overwhelm the society.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/01/18/philippines-dutertes-drug-war-claims-12000-lives

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