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9/11 connection remains cloaked in government secrecy, breeding suspicion of Saudi role in terror attacks

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The facts and the treatment of former Sarasota, Fla., residents Abdulaziz and Anoud al-Hijji are extreme but not unique. Saudi Arabian born, raised in the fringes of palace aristocracy, Abdulaziz al-Hijji and his family had lived for over a decade in a suburban home.

In the hours after 9/11, Sarasota law enforcement was notified by al-Hijji’s neighbors that the couple had abruptly moved out of their home two weeks before the terrorist attacks – leaving behind their cars, clothes, furniture and food on the table.

A subsequent investigation of the al-Hijji’s home by a state and local law enforcement anti-terrorism task force and the FBI, confirmed that the family appeared to have “fled” their home shortly before the attack with a sense of urgency. When it was ascertained that three of the four 9/11 hijack pilots had trained at an airport near Sarasota, suspicions arose that al-Hijji or members of his family had been a facilitator of the tragedy.

The FBI Tampa field office opened an investigation, which appears to have lasted for about two years. Among other things, agents reportedly obtained evidence that some 9/11 hijackers had visited al-Hijji’s home.

But the FBI kept its Sarasota investigation secret for a decade. It didn’t inform Congress’ Joint Inquiry into the attacks, which I co-chaired. Nor did the FBI tell the subsequent 9/11 Commission about it.

Former Florida Sen. Bob Graham
Former Florida Sen. Bob Graham

Irish author Anthony Summers stumbled onto the relationship between the pilots and the al-Hijji family while in Sarasota researching a book on 9/11 titled “The Eleventh Day.” He joined forces with Dan Christensen, founder of the online Florida Bulldog.

Together, Christensen and Summers confirmed and published news reports revealing that the FBI had conducted an extensive investigation of the Saudi family’s flight from Sarasota. The FBI reacted the next day, admitting it had investigated the family but also vehemently claiming it had found “no connection” between the family and the hijackers.

The Bulldog then made numerous attempts to gain access to the FBI’s records of its investigation. They all proved fruitless. So, on September 5, 2012, the Bulldog filed a Freedom of Information lawsuit in the United States federal court for the Southern District of Florida.

In response to the suit, the FBI initially claimed it could not find a single record of its Sarasota investigation. As the lawsuit progressed, the FBI changed its story and revealed that it had found a smattering of records, including one memo which stated an FBI agent, in fact, had found “many connections” between the family and the hijackers. The record directly contradicted the FBI’s prior public statements.

Judge William Zloch, the federal district judge to whom the case was assigned, was incredulous that the FBI could not find a more complete record of this important investigation. He ordered the FBI to conduct an additional thorough search. He specifically directed the FBI to scour its Tampa Field Office for any records connected to the 9/11 attacks.

The FBI obeyed that judicial directive and then sheepishly reported back that it had located more than 80,000 pages of 9/11 records. It also claimed this entire trove of 9/11 evidence was classified and should never be disclosed to the public.

Judge Zloch ordered the records produced to him promptly so that he could see what the FBI was shielding from public view and decide for himself whether the records should remain sealed.

That was in the spring of 2014. Five years later, the Bulldog is still waiting to hear from Judge Zloch and the nation continues to wonder whether Saudi Arabia aided the 9/11 hijackers.

During this five-year period, the United States has treated the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia as a close ally. The U.S. has provided the capability for the Kingdom to inflict on Yemen what has been described as 2019’s world’s most heinous human rights disaster and virtually ignore the October 2, 2018, chain saw butcher at the Istanbul Turkey Saudi consulate of Jamal Khashoggi, the Saudi journalist in exile in the United States who reported for the Washington Post.

If in those five years, the secluded Sarasota information had become public and proven that Saudi Arabia was a 9/11 co-conspirator, these and other horrors possibly would not have occurred.

At least America would have had evidence of the character and reliability of the Kingdom.

Former Gov. Bob Graham, a Democrat, represented Florida in the U.S. Senate 1987-2005. He was the the former head of the Senate Intelligence Committee and co-chairman of the joint congressional inquiry into U.S. intelligence gathering surrounding the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

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149 Comments on "9/11 connection remains cloaked in government secrecy, breeding suspicion of Saudi role in terror attacks"

  1. Robert Inget on Tue, 21st May 2019 7:36 am 

    First Named storm of the season;

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/1st-tropical-system-of-2019-atlantic-hurricane-season-may-form-early-this-week/70008317

    Hurricane season begins next month.

  2. Robert Inget on Tue, 21st May 2019 7:41 am 

    Climate Change got a huge boost from Australia
    last week. Right of center ‘Conservatives’ gained reelection.

  3. Davy on Tue, 21st May 2019 7:46 am 

    “Iran Says Uranium Enrichment Quadrupled, On Pace For Weapons-Grade Levels”
    https://tinyurl.com/y66rpdfd zero hedge

    “It appears Iran is following through on its prior warnings issued to European leaders that it’s ready to surpass enriched uranium production limits previously agreed to under the 2015 nuclear deal (JCPOA). News that Iran has “quadrupled its production of low-enriched uranium” comes as rhetoric between Tehran and Washington has reached new belligerent heights, with President Trump tweeting Sunday that US attack would be the “end” of Iran. Crucially, on Monday both the semi-official Fars and Tasnim news agencies cited Iran’s nuclear agency spokesman Behrouz Kamalvandi to say the country would reach the 300-kilogram limit set by the nuclear deal merely “in weeks” — in what appears counter-threat signalling to Washington. Iran has also for months complained the EU is failing to hold up to its end of the bargain under the JCPOA to provide sanctions relief. The AP notes of the Iranian media statements that “While the reports said the production is of uranium enriched only to the 3.67% limit set by the 2015 nuclear deal that Tehran reached with world powers, it means that Iran soon will go beyond the stockpile limitations established by the accord” if it continues on this pace.”

  4. Robert Inget on Tue, 21st May 2019 7:47 am 

    Time to Move Your Beach House this Victoria Day
    (next year it might be too late)
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48337629

  5. Robert Inget on Tue, 21st May 2019 8:12 am 

    Davy points to what J. Bolton would call a crisis.

    Had Trump left well enough alone with Iran he could concentrate on trying to overthrow the Constitution. “IT’s high time the US pulls out of that dated document”. DJT

    I call Trump “Rebel Without a Plan”.

    Venezuela: left to Russia and China
    N.Vietnam: Ready to sell nukes to highest bidder.
    China: ‘Now, whose tech is now in question?’
    Syria: ‘Bastard! You promised to pull out, before you…..”
    Saudi Arabia: “Hey, Pompao, Where did I put that Muslim Ban?”
    Yemen to China; ‘Keep making those drones, we buying’. Sell us a gross of your biggest.
    (model airplanes change course of history)

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-05/21/c_138076999.htm

    70%of all ‘off the shelf’ drones are made in China.
    (Not Iran)

  6. Davy on Tue, 21st May 2019 8:24 am 

    “Davy points to what J. Bolton would call a crisis. Had Trump left well enough alone with Iran he could concentrate on trying to overthrow the Constitution. “IT’s high time the US pulls out of that dated document”. DJT”
    Bob, you need a link to reference your above otherwise it is more of the same out of you. Your liberal left has destroyed the constitution and it now front and center of course the corrupted MSM is downplaying all this. In the next few weeks expect criminality to be exposed at the mainstream level with criminal referrals. Right now we have lots of the poop from alternative media. Trump may be a lot of things but your people own him, bob. You allowed a corrupt President that supported an even more corrupt candidate loose a perfect chance for 4 more years of a liberal agenda. Get a grip bob your lies are going down

  7. Antius on Tue, 21st May 2019 8:46 am 

    “Had Trump left well enough alone with Iran he could concentrate on trying to overthrow the Constitution. “IT’s high time the US pulls out of that dated document”. DJT”

    Having been spied upon and undermined by the deep state since before he even came to office, you might reasonably expect DJT to show more sense than undermine the one thing that still keeps his enemies in check.

    In my opinion, the US constitution is one of the greatest documents any human has ever written. It protects the individual against the excesses of state power and is non-partisan in its recognition that big government is always a threat to human freedom. It was written by men who had been on the receiving end of oppression and had enough historical knowledge to understand that freedom is under threat whenever power is concentrated in the hands of the few, however benevolent they may claim to be.

    I hope that in my lifetime, the UK is able to produce something similar, rather than its citizens simply being subjects of her majesty’s government, which reflects the situation that we are in now. The situation has gone far beyond tolerable.

  8. joe on Tue, 21st May 2019 10:03 am 

    Trump probobly thinks that the greater good here is in preventing Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey and UAE from developing nukes. Theyll all do it in response to Iran. Imho they’ll all find and excuse to do it regardless because , why not. Israel will have to destroy each of them in turn and keep them down because they cannot allow their enemies to be able to destroy them. It’s a false form of thinking. The best thing Israel could for its safety is to give up nukes and treat Palestinian people with respect and stop killing them. Israel will be watching its back forever. Will the US really be Israels sheild forever, who knows.

  9. Duncan Idaho on Tue, 21st May 2019 10:06 am 

    NAR: Existing-Home Sales Decreased to 5.19 million in April
    https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/#8w5Jg4zQCzcVuVoy.99

  10. Cloggie on Tue, 21st May 2019 10:27 am 

    The New Europe

    Two years ago in the presidential election, Macron has beaten Marine le Pen 2:1.

    Polls for the upcoming EU election are very different:

    le Pen 24%
    Macron 22%

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/emmanuel-macron-der-nervoese-praesident-im-endspurt-der-europawahl-a-1268496.html

    Voila!

  11. Cloggie on Tue, 21st May 2019 10:57 am 

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/19/world/europe/european-parliament-elections-populists.html

    “European Elections Will Gauge the Power of Populism”

    Some polls predict that the populists could become the second in the EU parliament.

    Let the Americans get used to the fact that Russia is one of us, exactly as Trump said was desirable in the runup to the US presidential elections.

    Now it is going to happen. With Russia on board, perhaps the US could consider lowering its “defense” budget as conquering the world ain’t gonna happen anyway. We need to get rid of anti-Russian sanctions and the US needs to stop whining about Nordstream.

    Russia is our friend:

    https://youtu.be/C3ldNZKchwI

  12. Antius on Tue, 21st May 2019 11:28 am 


    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/19/world/europe/european-parliament-elections-populists.html

    “European Elections Will Gauge the Power of Populism””

    The stench of fear hanging over this kosher article, is the perfume of liberty!

  13. Davy on Tue, 21st May 2019 12:12 pm 

    “Some polls predict that the populists could become the second in the EU parliament. Let the Americans get used to the fact that Russia is one of us”

    Nonsense clog, European populism is all over the place in regards to issues. Russia is not high on the list. Maybe with the extremist of the fringe like you that makes up a very small percentage. You are just making shit up in your head. Besides the liberals in Europe are firmly in control of a base that will not be moved much. Like I have said over and over Females are a power behind the liberals and they are not going to buy into your old white man ways of putting the females back in the house making babies. The best you are going to get clog with your populist revolution is now IMO. Last I looked that is not that great.

  14. Cloggie on Tue, 21st May 2019 12:36 pm 

    Davy is clearly not amused with the way things are going in Europe, so much is certain.

    And that’s a good sign.

    Davy is the canary in the imperial coal mine and he doesn’t feel too well.

  15. Cloggie on Tue, 21st May 2019 12:50 pm 

    News just in: Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague won’t be third world cities in 2100 after all:

    https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/meeresspiegel-koennte-deutlich-staerker-als-erwartet-ansteigen-a-1268497.html

    “2,38 Meter bis zum Jahr 2100”

    Holland can handle 1 meter, but not much more.

  16. Cloggie on Tue, 21st May 2019 1:02 pm 

    In Austria, Strache may have been toppled by the leftist press and a (((Tal Silberstein))), it doesn’t matter. An even more rightwing guy, who two years ago almost became president of Austria with 49.5%, is taking over:

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/oesterreich-das-ist-norbert-hofer-der-neue-chef-der-rechten-fpoe-a-1268525.html

    Like all rightwingers he wanted Austria to leave the EU.

    No more.

    He senses we can have a European Europe after all.

    Sound of Music to my ears.

  17. Davy on Tue, 21st May 2019 1:17 pm 

    “Davy is clearly not amused with the way things are going in Europe, so much is certain.”

    I am happy with the (moderate) populist but not your type.

    “Davy is the canary in the imperial coal mine and he doesn’t feel too well.”

    come on clog explain “imperial” LOL. You default to name calling when I neuter your extremism

  18. Cloggie on Tue, 21st May 2019 2:57 pm 

    Davy, you can neuter me anytime. .

  19. Davy on Tue, 21st May 2019 6:34 pm 

    Thanks clog. The only thing I love more then human testicles, is ebony human cock.

  20. Cloggie on Wed, 22nd May 2019 4:31 am 

    Theresa May’s says are now really over:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7057115/Cancel-vote-Mays-close-allies-beg-dump-doomed-Brexit-plan.html

    “Cancel the vote and go NOW: Even May’s close allies beg her to dump her doomed Brexit plan with 65 Tories furiously pledging to vote against it as PM faces a brutal three-hour mauling by MPs over her disastrous deal”

    She has my sympathy as far as her pro-European intentions are concerned (just like Chamberlain), but as a leader she was second tier. Just go, so we can initiate phase one in blowing up the West=empire.

    No deal Brexit is now default, possibly even initiated by the EU itself, just to remove toxic Farage from their midst. Perhaps Corbyn will manage to grab power and hammer out a deal with the EU in a couple of years, perhaps not. It doesn’t matter. WW3 is next, possibly initiated in the Gulf.

    The history of world wars:

    WW0 – 1756-1763 Britain-France, would lead to American independence
    WW1 – 1914-1918 Britain-Germany, intended to prevent the 20th century becoming the German century
    WW2 – 1939-1945 Setting up the US empire, American century
    WW3 – 202x-202y The termination of the US empire at the hands of Eurasia. Anglosphere disappearing from history as a geopolitical entity.

    It will begin between the US vs Russia-China. Large numbers of American casualties will prompt an uprising in the US —> CW2, followed by a European intervention, a la 1776. This time not France-Holland but the 640 million of PBM.

    PBM setting itself up as the protector of white parts of a balkanized North-America. China will become the first nation in the world, but will be more than contained by a super-alliance of European peoples world-wide, centered around PBM.

    And what is your geopolitical forecast, doomer-dave?

    Let me guess: everybody dropping dead for unspecified reasons, with the US the “last man standing”.

    Fascinating dave, where would we be without you to splain things for us!?

  21. JuanP on Wed, 22nd May 2019 4:42 am 

    JuanP posting

    Davy on Tue, 21st May 2019 6:34 pm
    Thanks clog. The only thing I love more then human testicles, is ebony human cock.

  22. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 4:54 am 

    “It will begin between the US vs Russia-China. Large numbers of American casualties will prompt an uprising in the US —> CW2, followed by a European intervention, a la 1776. This time not France-Holland but the 640 million of PBM.”
    Well clogg, that might be the end of the world along with your euroland but keep fantasizing about that PBM and the Grand Army of the Republic departing in an armada of 1000 ships across the Atlantic. Sounds so glorious doesn’t it.

    “PBM setting itself up as the protector of white parts of a balkanized North-America. China will become the first nation in the world, but will be more than contained by a super-alliance of European peoples world-wide, centered around PBM.”
    I am wonder just how the Chinese are going to be the “first nation in the world”. What does that mean anyway cloggo? Speak proper English.

    “And what is your geopolitical forecast, doomer-dave?”
    You mean geopolitical fantasy don’t you. Forecast is for something that has some science to it. OH, “doomer-dave” is a doomer lite these days but I will say my doom meter has been elevated by this Sino American trade war and a possibly Iranian action. I would be more worried cloggo about euroland because of its export orientation and the budding trade war. I think you have some serious economic issues ahead.

    “Let me guess: everybody dropping dead for unspecified reasons, with the US the “last man standing”.”
    There is no reason the US might not be the last man standing of the major powers in a relative sense. Once the collapse dynamics become severe then we are all going down. What I mean by the last man standing is the US could be behind and follow down a China and a Euroland. Russia is more likely the last man standing actually.

    “Fascinating dave, where would we be without you to splain things for us!?”
    Just di how was that.

  23. Cloggie on Wed, 22nd May 2019 5:08 am 

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7056305/Tory-Brexiteers-MPs-launch-bid-oust-Theresa-TODAY.html

    “Tory Brexiteers MPs could launch bid to oust Theresa May TODAY after her Brexit deal compromise was described as ‘dead on arrival’”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7057489/Tories-slump-just-7-CENT-eve-European-elections.html

    “Tories slump to just 7 PER CENT in poll on the eve of European elections as Brexit Party surges to 37 per cent – while Labour trail in third behind the Lib Dems”

    Ridiculous British participation in upcoming EU elections, turning the event in 2nd Brexit referendum. Brexit party wins with “merely” 37%, remainers LibDem end up SECOND, and worthless Tories and Labour marginalized. In the end NOTHING changes in wrecked UK politics, with Brexit slight lead, but no-deal Brexit a minority.

    Macron was right, the EU should have kept the honour to itself and not have granted the current postponement or article 50. The EU should step forward and officially proclaim that there will be no extension beyond October, I believe the date is now, so that everybody can prepare for the upcoming calamity.

    With a little luck Donnie sets the Gulf on fire, driving Europe completely into the arms of Russia for oil and hence China and the battle lines of WW3 will have been drawn: Eurasia-Anglos.

    May the best win.lol

  24. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 5:19 am 

    “Macron was right, the EU should have kept the honour to itself and not have granted the current postponement or article 50. The EU should step forward and officially proclaim that there will be no extension beyond October, I believe the date is now, so that everybody can prepare for the upcoming calamity.”
    Euros can’t make a decision and especially a tough one. Too many different nationalities with their own ways. It is a committee not a community.

    “With a little luck Donnie sets the Gulf on fire, driving Europe completely into the arms of Russia for oil and hence China and the battle lines of WW3 will have been drawn: Eurasia-Anglos.”
    You are a war loving son of a bitch cloggo. You lust for war and mass casualties. Such a war will end your cherished renewable transformation but your lame brain thinks it is the key puzzle piece. You are going crazier by the day. BTW are you getting drunk nightly there in Costa del Sol? My daughter is Spanish and I prefer Castilla myself. I spent lots of time in Segovia where her Grandfather is from.

    “May the best win.lol”
    How about lets get along before the ship sinks?

  25. Cloggie on Wed, 22nd May 2019 5:21 am 

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7056289/Chief-Brexit-negotiator-Guy-Verhofstadt-says-Boris-Johnson-Nigel-Farage-Putin-destroy-EU.html

    “Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Russia will combine to destroy the European Union, their chief Brexit negotiator in Brussels claims”

    “Guy Verhofstadt has told The Times the rise of populism and the far-right could bring down the Union by 2024 if they cannot be replaced by a ‘new vision of the EU’.”

    Disgusting US cocksucker Verhofstadt is right about the intentions of BoJo and Farage, but wrong about Russia that time and again has expressed its desire to be part of The European House:

    https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/09/19/putin-confirms-ambition-paris-berlin-moscow-alliance/

    But unintentionally he is right about the required new vision for 2024 and that new vision is PBM. But that’s a forbidden thought for our US water carrier Verhofstadt… but NOT for the populists and Russia.

    But again folks, PBM should not happen before the US and China have seriously locked horns over who is the next #1. So keep your powder dry.

  26. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 5:46 am 

    “Buchanan: Has The Day Of The Nationalists Come For Europe?”
    https://tinyurl.com/y2s3y36u Buchanan
    graph https://tinyurl.com/y2d7l5yo
    graph https://tinyurl.com/y4dwn76k

    “Expectation: Nationalists and populists will turn in their strongest performance since the EU was established, and their parliamentary group — Europe of Nations and Freedom — could sweep a fourth of the seats in Strasbourg.”

    “Speaking before tens of thousands in front of Duomo Cathedral in Milan, Salvini threw back in the faces of his enemies the taunt that these new parties are rooted in the old ugly politics of the 1930s. “In this piazza, there are no extremists. There are no racists. There are no fascists. … In Italy and in Europe, the difference is between … those who speak of the future instead of making trials of the past.” Tomorrow versus yesterday, says Salvini.”

    “The populist-nationalist parties are energized and united by both what they detest and what the EU has produced. And what is that? They resent the inequities of the new economy, where the wages of the working and middle class, the core of the nation, have fallen far behind the managerial class and the corporate and financial elites.”

    “Patriotism is central to nationalist and populist movements. Globalism is alien to them. They believe in De Gaulle’s Europe of nation-states “from the Atlantic to the Urals,” not in the abstract Europe of Jean Monnet, and surely not in the Brussels bureaucracy of today. The nation, the patria, is the largest entity to which one can give loyalty and love. Who would march into no man’s land for the EU?”

  27. Cloggie on Wed, 22nd May 2019 5:46 am 

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7055483/Brexit-Partys-EU-election-success-topple-Corbyn-vows-Farage.html

    “’Buy one, get one free!’: Brexit Party’s EU election success will topple both May AND Corbyn, vows Farage (to a 3,000-strong crowd who snaked down the street waiting to see him)”

    The Great Escape about to succeed.

    Let them. They never felt European and never wanted to be in Europe. De Gaulle was right with his fierce resistance against letting them in.

    With the British, the eternal water carriers of the kikes since the days of Cromwell and the Glorious Revolution, leaving the white world for good, walking straight into Orwell’s Oceania and total mongrelization (if the kikes manage to hold on to the US), we true Europeans and core of the white race, have a once in a life-time chance to finally do Europe right in the Gaullist fision and swap the British for the Russians and bring our civilization back to planetary pole position, next to the Chinese and together begin to plot to divide the Anglo loot among us. Down-under will become to China what North-America was to Europe: a vast empty space to unload your “huddled masses upon” and Europeans rake in those North-American whiteys who want to live in a white society, protected by PBM. Oh and Scotland. England can have Canada.

    Welcome to 21st century, the European century or perhaps even the German century, embedded in PBM.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/24/lord-heseltine-suggests-brexit-allowing-germany-win-world-war/

    “Lord Heseltine suggests Brexit vote allows Germany to win World War Two”

    That’s exactly right, mr Heseltine!

  28. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 5:47 am 

    Well clog, Salvin just nixed you out of the future of Euro populism by these words:
    “there are no extremists. There are no racists. There are no fascists”

    Clog, and there is the real PBM of:
    “They believe in De Gaulle’s Europe of nation-states “from the Atlantic to the Urals,” not in the abstract Europe of Jean Monnet, and surely not in the Brussels bureaucracy of today. The nation, the patria, is the largest entity to which one can give loyalty and love. Who would march into no man’s land for the EU?”
    If you notice clog the two are not inclusive. The trend is away from bureaucratic union and towards sovereign. This means your “Empire” PBM is a farce. No common army either, clog. The real PBM means a greatly reduced bureaucratic EU and a much more confederacy or league. This means no Empire with central authority. It means a return to the past of nation states. Maybe not a Brexit process but a greatly reduced EU. The problem is what to do with all those Euros in the EU quantitative easing programs. Trillions in accounts that must be assimilated somehow but no one in euroland talks about this in the elections. That might be because those questions are fighting points in a conflict at a later date once the populist tear up the community for economic reasons. Currently this is a big social event but latter the bureaucrats will have to argue over the money. Money is always the problem with these arrangements. The party will be over soon and the real fight will begin over who is paying for all this.

  29. Cloggie on Wed, 22nd May 2019 5:51 am 

    “Patriotism is central to nationalist and populist movements. Globalism is alien to them. They believe in De Gaulle’s Europe of nation-states “from the Atlantic to the Urals,” not in the abstract Europe of Jean Monnet, and surely not in the Brussels bureaucracy of today. The nation, the patria, is the largest entity to which one can give loyalty and love. Who would march into no man’s land for the EU?”

    Buchanan was one of my heroes from the first day (around 2000) I became what Americans call a “white nationalist”. Exactly my kinda guy. Folks like him are more than welcome to join Eurosphere.

  30. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 6:00 am 

    “Macron Goes Full Machiavelli Ahead Of The European Elections”
    https://tinyurl.com/y5upgqle American conservative

    “This is where the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE), a transnational political grouping, comes in. Macron’s plan is to adopt the platform of the ALDE, drop the word “liberal” (which in Europe still refers to economic liberalism), and use its resources to argue for a stronger EU. But the ALDE itself has struggled to establish a power base and forged some shady alliances in trying to do so…To warn of a “wave of dangerous populists in Europe” while simultaneously getting in bed with them to stay in power shows quite a level of political opportunism.”

    “What does Macron actually want? Renaissance’s manifesto makes mention of much of what he’s already argued for in his European reform plans. But that was back when he was still giving off an exciting vibe in the distant year of 2017. People don’t get fired up by a European minimum wage and a European army anymore. Particularly in Central and Eastern Europe, centralized minimum wage laws can be seen as a way to crush emerging industries in favor of Western European production. And Macron’s proposed “agency to protect European democracies” would likely be viewed as taking aim at the governments of Poland, Hungary, and Romania. But Macron’s struggles ultimately start at home. His pick for lead candidate in the European elections, Nathalie Loiseau, is a diplomat and academic administrator. Utterly devoid of excitement, she used a recent speech to give voice to the standard “dangers” of Donald Trump’s politics and liken her political project to the spirit of Gutenberg and Picasso. The address was probably supposed to fit with the “Renaissance” theme. That a considerable part of the country was still putting on yellow traffic vests and screaming their lungs out against the government in Paris doesn’t seem to bother her. They’re probably all populists anyway.”

  31. Cloggie on Wed, 22nd May 2019 6:03 am 

    “This means your “Empire” PBM is a farce. No common army either, clog. The real PBM means a greatly reduced bureaucratic EU and a much more confederacy or league.”

    I have never called PBM an “empire”, but always refered to “Europe of the Fatherlands”.

    The US empire, gobbled together via murder and mayhem, now THAT is an empire. And the world is about to kick you in the teeth if you refuse to volunteer to roll over and die, like the USSR.

    The difference between the wannabee superstate EU and PBM is that the latter will be merely a round table of ministers, like in EEC times, representing sovereign nations, rather than a centralized bureaucracy. But you are completely wrong if you think that PBM will not have a single market, currency, a military alliance, including HQ, nuclear strike force, space program, etc.

    Participation will be voluntary, but most want to be “good Europeans” and join anyway.

    Oh and the US empire will be history once Buchanan’s PBM will have been established.

    And there will be one main reason for PBM to come about and that is the rise of the coming superpower China.

    Now start WW3 for us in the Gulf.

  32. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 6:14 am 

    uh oh bob

    “Two Scenarios For Trump-Russia Investigators… And Neither Is Comforting”
    https://tinyurl.com/y2ghk23d the hill

    “Anyhow, under this scenario, after Trump defied all predictions and won the election, those who had conspired against him went into panic mode. They rightly worried that Trump, his national security adviser Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, and others outside the “establishment” would be able to see what Justice Department and intel officials had been up to in secret. They were worried that not only would their furtive activities in 2016 be exposed but that their behavior during the past decade-plus, when there were many other documented surveillance and intel abuses. These abuses include improper surveillance of American citizens, political figures, journalists and other targets. One can only imagine all the things they did that never became public. Whose communications did they pretend to capture accidentally? Whose bank records, photos, emails, text messages, internet history and keystrokes were monitored? What unverified or false evidence did intel officials present to the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to get wiretaps on political enemies? Who improperly “unmasked” whom? Hypothetically, these government officials — desperate to keep their deeds in the dark — rushed to amplify the Trump-Russia collusion narrative. Putting Trump under investigation, even if under false pretenses, would accomplish the goal of keeping him from poking around into their business and practices. Any attempts he’d make to find out what was going on inside his own Justice Department or intel agencies would automatically be declared “Obstruction!” However, they were sloppy. First, they were sloppy in the improper actions they undertook over a decade or more. They never imagined outsiders would ever really get a look at the evidence of their alleged wrongdoing. Then, they became sloppier in their panic-stricken attempts to cover up after Trump got elected. As you can see, this scenario presumes a level of corruption.”

  33. Cloggie on Wed, 22nd May 2019 6:15 am 

    “Well clog, Salvin just nixed you out of the future of Euro populism by these words:
    “there are no extremists. There are no racists. There are no fascists””

    You are really a loon, aren’t you, putting Buchanan’s word’s into Salvini’s mouth.

    Of course we are “racists”, if you insist on using that kosher smearword. Salvini makes very well a distinction between Italians and Africans and Muslims and rejects the latters presence in Italy. Of course we don’t use that CNN word “racist” but instead use the word “identity”. We refuse to see the world as 8 billion equal interchangeable bipeds and economic resources, such us the US 1% loves to do, while blowing up their country while they are at it.lol

    Thanks for bringing up Buchanan to support my PBM case.

  34. Cloggie on Wed, 22nd May 2019 6:26 am 

    Interesting that by quoting Buchanan, Davy for the first time acknowledges that PBM is very well a realistic possibility.

  35. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 6:31 am 

    “I have never called PBM an “empire”, but always refered to “Europe of the Fatherlands”.”
    You did not use the word but that is your intent. It is obvious how you talk about it and Empire of Hegemony is your card

    “The difference between the wannabee superstate EU and PBM is that the latter will be merely a round table of ministers, like in EEC times, representing sovereign nations, rather than a centralized bureaucracy. But you are completely wrong if you think that PBM will not have a single market, currency, a military alliance, including HQ, nuclear strike force, space program, etc.”
    Clog, your math is fuzzy because of all the fantasy involved

    Participation will be voluntary, but most want to be “good Europeans” and join anyway.
    LMFAO, sure thing clog and what about the money? That is voluntary too?

    “Oh and the US empire will be history once Buchanan’s PBM will have been established.”
    Now we have a “Buchanan PBM”. You are a riot clog.

    “And there will be one main reason for PBM to come about and that is the rise of the coming superpower China.”
    Sure clog and what about the rest of the world.

    “Now start WW3 for us in the Gulf.”
    WAR PIG

    “You are really a loon, aren’t you, putting Buchanan’s word’s into Salvini’s mouth.”
    Clog, Buchanan didn’t say that your Hero Salvini did. You are the one putting words in Buchanan’s mouth:
    “In this piazza, there are no extremists. There are no racists. There are no fascists. … In Italy and in Europe, the difference is between … those who speak of the future instead of making trials of the past.” Tomorrow versus yesterday, says Salvini.”

    “Of course we are “racists”, if you insist on using that kosher smearword. Salvini makes very well a distinction between Italians and Africans and Muslims and rejects the latters presence in Italy. Of course we don’t use that CNN word “racist” but instead use the word “identity”. We refuse to see the world as 8 billion equal interchangeable bipeds and economic resources, such us the US 1% loves to do, while blowing up their country while they are at it.lol”
    But But Buttttt says clog. You get all tongue tied when your fantasy gets mixed up with reality.

    “Thanks for bringing up Buchanan to support my PBM case.”
    You welcome and I am glad to clear up the difference between your Empire version with a Grand Army and global domination and the real PBM that is a league of sovereign nations focused on the European Continent.

  36. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 6:31 am 

    “Interesting that by quoting Buchanan, Davy for the first time acknowledges that PBM is very well a realistic possibility.”

    LMAO, read the above

  37. The Truth Shall Set You Free on Wed, 22nd May 2019 10:55 am 

    DavyTurd needs his bottom spanked.

    Please save us from MORE conspiracy nonsense. Oh, yes, the “deep state”-whatever the hell that is- is deeply concerned that Trump will go “poking around into their business and practices”- LOL.

    The fact is Trump has surrounded himself with a whole litany of crooks, and where there is billowing smoke, there’s fire.

    Mueller’s team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies.

    That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers) have pleaded guilty.

    If you also count investigations that Mueller originated but then referred elsewhere in the Justice Department, you can add a plea deal from one more person to the list.

    It’s a sprawling set of allegations, encompassing both election interference charges against overseas Russians, and various other crimes by American Trump advisers.

  38. JuanP on Wed, 22nd May 2019 11:05 am 

    This is a juanpee sock

    The Truth Shall Set You Free on Wed, 22nd May 2019 10:55 am
    DavyTurd needs his bottom spanked.

  39. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 11:08 am 

    “Please save us from MORE conspiracy nonsense. Oh, yes, the “deep state”-whatever the hell that is- is deeply concerned that Trump will go “poking around into their business and practices”- LOL.”

    JuanPee, so are you denying the investigating of the investigators? LOL, The fruit cake is just mouthing off. juanpee is no more a liberal than a conservative. juanpee is a shit disturber.

  40. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 11:37 am 

    I know everyone. My delusional JuanP obsession is getting real old.

  41. JuanP on Wed, 22nd May 2019 11:56 am 

    This is a juanP posting

    Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 11:37 am
    I know everyone. My delusional JuanP obsession is getting real old.

  42. JuanP on Wed, 22nd May 2019 12:30 pm 

    I am a DEM. dumbass. I didn’t care for Billary. If you think that makes me a member of your team of RepubliCONS, no fucking way.

    Get THAT through your thick skull.

  43. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 12:39 pm 

    “JuanP on Wed, 22nd May 2019 12:30 pm I am a DEM. dumbass. I didn’t care for Billary. If you think that makes me a member of your team of RepubliCONS, no fucking way. Get THAT through your thick skull.”

    How about this liar:

    JuanP on Thu, 30th Jun 2016 4:56 pm
    I think I could use my antisocial, psychopathic, sociopathic skills to convince people to vote for Trump. I can be very convincing when I want and I am excellent at manipulating people.

    BTW, stalker I save that lie to my notes. LMFAO yet again

  44. Davy on Wed, 22nd May 2019 12:40 pm 

    I am a DEM. dumbass

    You are an illegal alien stupid. Remember you are not from the US and do not have citizenship LIAR

  45. Robert Inget on Sun, 26th May 2019 1:54 pm 

    Is Our President an unwitting double agent?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-barr-russia-declassification-intelligence-veterans-react-2019-5

    Putin NEEDS to know just who among his confidants ‘ratted’ him out to foreign intel.
    It’s also assumed, Trump to wants ‘revenge’ for the same reasons.

    This is exactly why Barr, Trump’s lawyer, want to declassify info on American spy(s).

    The End.
    Trump sees nothing wrong with betraying America
    as long as ‘means justifies the end’.

  46. Davy on Sun, 26th May 2019 2:04 pm 

    bob, your side attempted a coup. They need to be hauled in front of a grand jury and then see a prison cell. Your girl Hillary needs to be put away. Your people are disgusting bob, when are you going to get out of denial? I guess since you are such an extremist anti-American you just can’t see the shit. To bad because soon you are going to look like the fool you are.

  47. Davy on Sun, 26th May 2019 7:32 pm 

    Note to self:

    Shut-up DavySkum dumbass.

    You are such the obnoxious twat it defies belief.

    You’re a spoiled little bitch.

  48. Davy on Sun, 26th May 2019 7:38 pm 

    BTW Bob. I plan on voting for your disgusting side in the next election.

  49. JuanP on Mon, 27th May 2019 5:15 am 

    mindless juanpee stalking comments

    Davy on Sun, 26th May 2019 7:32 pm
    Note to self:
    Shut-up DavySkum dumbass.
    You are such the obnoxious twat it defies belief.
    You’re a spoiled little bitch.
    Davy on Sun, 26th May 2019 7:38 pm
    BTW Bob. I plan on voting for your disgusting side in the next election.

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